Aug 19, 2025 City Council

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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MS. HILBRICH, PLEASE CALL ROLL. >> COUNCILMAN KIDDER?

>> HERE. >> PRO TEM YOUNG?

>> HERE. >> MAYOR CROCKER?

>> I'M HERE. JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGES, FOLLOWED BY THE MOMENT OF SILENCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

>> THANK YOU, PLEASE BE SEATED. WELCOME, EVERYONE. WE HAVE A

[1. Announcements/Reminders:]

FULL AGENDA THIS EVENING. >> WE DO.

>> SO WE'LL JUMP RIGHT IN WITH ANNOUNCEMENTS AND REMINDERS. MR. GARZA, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US THIS EVENING?

>> GOOD EVENING. I DO HAVE A FEW UPDATES FOR YOU THIS EVENING, BEGINNING WITH A REMINDER ALL NON-EMERGENCY CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, IN OBSERVANCE OF LABOR DAY.

OFFICES WILL REOPEN, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, AT 8:00 A.M. TRASH, RECYCLING, YARD WASTE, WILL BE PICKED UP AS SCHEDULED. ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, IN THE MOST RECENT EPISODE OF TOWN TALK THAT WAS RELEASE TODAY, THE MAYOR AND I ADDRESSED THE RECENT WATER BOIL NOTICES, AND SHARE WHAT WE'RE DOING TO STRENGTHEN THE WATER, UTILITY SYSTEM. MAYOR EXPLAINS HOW THE COMMITTEE IS PROVIDING OVERSIGHT AND FRESH PERSPECTIVE TO GUIDE LONG-TERM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. I HOPE CLARIFIED FACTORS LEADING TO WATER NOTICES AND HIGHLIGHTS ONGOING WORK IN PEOPLE, PROCESSES, AND TECHNOLOGY, INCLUDING STAFF TRAINING, SOFTWARE UPGRADES, AND FUTURE AUTOMATION TO REDUCE RISK. RESIDENTS CAN TUNE IN ON YOUTUBE OR SPOTIFY, AS WELL AS LEARN MORE ON OUR WATER REVIEW COMMITTEE. ON BEHALF OF THE OFFICE OF THE MAYOR, APPLICATIONS FOR THE 2025/2026 MAYOR'S YOUTH COUNCIL IS DUE BY AUGUST 31 WITH A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION. FOR MORE INFORMATION TO APPLY, VISIT ONLINE OR CONTACT SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, KESHA SMITH. ON BEHALF OF THE LIBRARY AND THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC TO SIGN UP FOR THE FUN RUN HELD ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, TO CELEBRATE THE LIBRARY'S 50TH ANNIVERSARY. DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE I DID THINKING IT WAS AN ACTUAL 5K. IT IS A 0.5K.

THE FAMILY-FRIENDLY RUN STARTS AT THE MUSEUM AND ENDS FOUR BLOCKS AWAY. YES, FOUR BLOCKS, WITH A FREE BLOCK PARTY IN THE LIBRARY PARKING LOT. FOR MORE INFORMATION AND TO SIGN UP OR SPONSOR, VISIT FRIENDSOFEPL.COM.

OR CALL THE LIBRARY AT 361-485-3301. THOSE ARE ALL THE

[2. Public & Employee Recognitions:]

ANNOUNCEMENTS. >> FOUR BLOCKS SOUNDS JUST ABOUT RIGHT, QUITE FRANKLY. MOVING ON THEM. PUBLIC AND EMPLOYEE RECOGNITIONS. DO WE HAVE ANY THIS EVENING?

>> I DO HAVE ONE RECOGNITION. I'D LIKE TO ASK ELIJAH RAMOS TO STAND UP. HAS RECENTLY PASSED THE CERTIFIED PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONAL EXAM OR CPRP. THE CPRP DESIGNATION AWARDED BY THE PARKS ASSOCIATION IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED BENCHMARK OF EXCELLENCE THAT REFLECTS AN INDIVIDUAL'S COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE HIGHEST STANDARDS AND PARKS AND RECREATION SERVICES. ELIJAH HAS SERVED AS A RECREATION COORDINATOR FOR NEARLY THREE YEARS. CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATES A STRONG COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE AND COMMUNITY SERVICE THROUGH HIS WORK. IN ADDITION, HE'S EXTREMELY COMMITTED AND LOYAL TO OUR COMMUNITY AND ORGANIZATION, SO WE EXPECT BIG THINGS OUT OF HIM MOVING FORWARD. PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING ELIJAH ON THE SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT IN RECOGNIZING THE DEDICATION AND EXPERTISE HE BRINGS.

[3. Items from Council:]

>> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON THEM. ITEMS FROM COUNCIL. WE HAVE ONE ON THE AGENDA THAT'S LISTED. ANY ITEMS FROM COUNCIL THAT ANYONE HAS THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, OKAY. SO WE HAVE ONE ITEM THAT MS. BUTLER REQUESTED. BUSINESS RELIEF OPTIONS DUE TO BOIL WATER NOTICES. MR. GARZA, I BELIEVE YOU'RE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT?

>> YES, IF IT IS OKAY WITH YOU? >> ABSOLUTELY. WITH LETTING THE

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>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. I WANT TO START OFF BY PROVIDING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE RESULTS OF SOME RESEARCH THAT STAFF DID, SPECIFICALLY DANIEL WILLIAMS, OUR ECONOMIC DIRECTOR. I TASKED HER WITH DOING RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE WHO MIGHT BE IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW ANY TIME A NEW IDEA COMES UP OR JUST IN GENERAL, AN INITIATIVE COMES TO LIGHT. WE ALWAYS LIKE TO DO SOME RESEARCH IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DOES IT THIS EXIST SOMEWHERE ELSE? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE RESULTS OF THE RESEARCH. SOME OF

IT IS OUT OF STATE. >> OUR MONITORS AREN'T SHOWING

WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE PROJECTOR. >> OKAY.

>> THAT'S ON PURPOSE. I'M JUST KIDDING.

>> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. >> IS THAT FOR EVERYBODY?

>> YES, THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY. >> WE CAN SEE IT UP HERE.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEN I'LL CONTINUE. WE DID FIND SOME COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY OFFERED SOME RELIEF IN RESPONSIBLE WATER BOIL NOTICES.

EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE ARE OUT OF STATE. IT WAS STILL HELPFUL TO TRY TO GET A FEEL FOR THEIR RESPONSES. I ALSO FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO EACH OF THESE SITUATIONS. SO I'LL START WITH LAREDO. LAREDO HAS EXPERIENCED EIGHT BOIL ORDER SERVICES IN A FIVE-YEAR SPAN. YOU CAN SEE THEY STARTED BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2019. WITH THAT FIRST ONE LASTING 11 DAYS. BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY ACTUALLY HAD ONE IN JUNE OF 2020 THAT LASTED TWO MONTHS. YOU CAN SEE THEIR ISSUES RANGE FROM CHLORINE RESIDUAL ISSUES TO WATER PRESSURE ISSUES, TO TESTING POSITIVE FOR E. COLI IN OCTOBER OF 2024. SO OBVIOUSLY THE TOPIC IS VERY FRONT AND CENTER TO THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN LAREDO, TEXAS. WHAT DID THEY DO? THEY ESTABLISHED A SMALL BUSINESS WATER RELIEF PROGRAM IN PARTNERSHIP WITH LYFT FUND. SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THE NAME LIFT FUND. LIFT FUND IS AN ORGANIZATION BASED OUT OF SAN ANTONIO, THAT WE EXPLORED PARTNERING WITH DURING THE PANDEMIC, EXPLORING SOME SMALL BUSINESS LOAN PROGRAMS. SO THEY PARTNERED WITH LIFT FUND FOR THE PROGRAM. FOR EXAMPLE, IT ONLY APPLIES TO BUSINESSES THAT HAVE LESS THAN 20 EMPLOYEES. THOSE SPECIFIC GRANTS, THE MAX AMOUNT WAS $2,000. AND THEY ALLOCATED $270,000 TO THAT PROGRAM. THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION AMONGST THAT COUNCIL AROUND OFFERING A CREDIT. AS YOU KNOW, WE DID A CREDIT, AND I'LL EXPAND ON THAT IN THE FUTURE'S SLIDES. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF LITERATURE OUT THERE AROUND WEIGHING THE PROS AND CONS OF THE FLAT CREDIT VERSES A PERCENTAGE BASE CREDIT.

ULTIMATELY THEY DECIDED TO ISSUE THE FLAT CREDIT OF $10. THEY ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE FREQUENCY OF THE BOIL WATER NOTICES, THE SEVERITY OF THEM ISSUED A DISASTER DECLARATION, WHICH IS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR, AND ULTIMATELY ALLOWED FOR BUSINESSES IN LAREDO TO ACCESS THESE SMALL BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, ECONOMIC DISASTER AND LOAN PROGRAM. MANY BUSINESSES WERE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT PROGRAM DURING THE PANDEMIC. SO THE ACRONYM MIGHT SOUND FAMILIAR FOR SMALL BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT BE LISTENING TO THIS. IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA, IT WAS A COUPLE OF INSTANCES. SO IN RICHMOND, THEY HAD A COUPLE OF INSTANCES THAT RESULTED IN BOIL WATER NOTICES.

BOTH RELATED TO WATER PRESSURE. THEY ALSO HAD A SITUATION WITH HIGH LEVELS OF FLUORIDE THAT CAUSED SOME DISRUPTION IN THE INTEGRITY OF THE SYSTEM. ULTIMATELY THEY REACTIVATED A WATER CRISIS FUND, SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I GUESS THEY CREATED MANY YEARS AGO AND THEY SIMPLY REACTIVATED AFTER THESE INSTANCES. THEY ALSO HAD A FOCUS ON SMALL BUSINESSES, EXCEPT IN THEIR INSTANCE, RATHER THAN RESTRICTING IT OR CATEGORIZING SMALL BUSINESSES BY NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, THEY DID IT BY A FINANCIAL MEANS, BY REVENUE STANDARDS. THEY ALLOCATED $650,000 TO THAT PROGRAM. AND THEY ALSO ISSUED A DISASTER DECLARATION THAT ALSO MADE THEIR BUSINESSES ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS, AND I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS EARLIER. MAYBE YOU CAUGHT IT OR MAYBE YOU DIDN'T. AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE RESEARCH. WHAT STOOD OUT TO ME IS THE FACT IN LAREDO'S CASE, THEY WERE ABLE TO ISSUE THE BOIL WATER NOTICES TO LIMITED AREAS. NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE BOIL WATER NOTICES WERE CITY WIDE. THAT TO ME, STUCK OUT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IN OUR OWN EXPERIENCE WITH TCQ, WE WERE REQUIRED TO ISSUE BOIL WATER NOTICES ACROSS THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. SO THAT IS

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WE APPLIED IT TO BASICALLY ALL THE RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS, WHICH IS ALL OF OUR METERS, AS WELL AS A HANDFUL OF METER ACCOUNTS, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 21,000 ACCOUNTS. THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THAT WAS $213,000. IF YOU RECALL, WHEN I FIRST PRESENTED THAT, THAT FARE WAS A LITTLE GREATER. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REFINE THE COST OF THAT BY SOLELY FOCUSING ON RESIDENTIAL INCIDENTS. THAT WAS THE INTENT THE WHOLE TIME. SO EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE EXAMPLES ARE OUT OF STATE, YOU BEGIN TO KIND OF GET A FEEL FOR WHAT IS THE PRECEDENT THAT HAS BEEN SET TO OFFER SOME RELIEF. SO BASICALLY THE OPTION I HAVE PUT TOGETHER ARE AROUND THESE THREE MAIN TOPICS. WE CAN EXPLORE EXPANDING THE CREDIT THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPLIED TO RESIDENTIAL TO ALL ACCOUNTS, REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE METER. WE COULD EXPLORE CHANGING FROM A FLAT CREDIT PHILOSOPHY TO A PERCENTAGE BASED PHILOSOPHY, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CREDIT, AND INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF FINANCIAL IMPACT ON US. OR GO TO THE OPTION OF ESTABLISHING A SMALL BUSINESS RELIEF PROGRAM. NOW, THESE COINCIDENTALLY ARE LISTED FROM LEFT TO RIGHT IN A MANNER THAT ALSO ILLUSTRATES THE EASE TO COMPLEX ADMINISTRATION ASPECTS OF IT, RIGHT? WE WOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE JUSTIFICATION THROUGHOUT ALL THE ACCOUNTS.

FROM A FLAT TO A PERCENTAGE BASE, BUT OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE MORE LABOR INTENSIVE TO ESTABLISH A SMALL BUSINESS RELIEF PROGRAM SINCE THAT ONE WOULD NECESSITATE HAVING STAFF TO ADMINISTER ON AN ONGOING BASIS, DEVELOP THE CRITERIA, LISTED APPLICATION, SO ON, SO FORTH. AND SO BASICALLY THAT IS ALL I WOULD HAVE TO PRESENT TO YOU FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AS

COUNCIL ON THE MATTER. >> QUESTIONS FOR MR. GARZA THAT

ANYONE MAY HAVE? >> I DID NOTICE ON THE ONE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE WAS A 25%, WHICH I THINK THEY HAD A FIVE-DAY WATER BOIL NOTICE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE WHILE THEY DO 25%, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY FIVE DAYS OR ONE WEEK OF A MONTH OF BILLING, BUT THEY DID HAVE TESTS FOR E. COLI IN THE WATER. YOU'RE NOT BATHING IN IT, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING FROM THAT STANDPOINT. SO I WOULD SAY APPLES TO APPLES, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY OR A FAIR COMPARISON.

>> I DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS IN THE SLIDES, BUT THOSE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE THOSE ISSUES, THEY ALSO HAD TO MOBILIZE LARGE WATER DISTRIBUTION OPERATIONS, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY HAVING A POSITIVE TEST OF E. COLI IS GREATER ELEVATED

CONCERN. >> TO ME, IT WOULD SEEM A PERCENTAGE RATE WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT SIZE BUSINESSES. SOME ARE SMALL, SOME OF THESE FOOD INDUSTRIES ARE SMALL AND SOME ARE LARGER. I LIKE THE IDEA OF A PERCENTAGE

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TYPE OF REIMBURSEMENT. >> I'VE GOT A QUESTION IN THAT

REGARD. >> SORRY, CAN I ANSWER THAT REAL

QUICK, DR. YOUNG? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. SO IN ESSENCE, WE DID TAKE A PERCENTAGE-BASED APPROACH, EXCEPT WE DID NOT CALL IT THAT. SO WE TOOK A PERCENTAGE-BASED APPROACH AS IT RELATES TO THE BASE RATES, RIGHT? FOR EXAMPLE, THAT $10 CREDIT IS REFLECTIVE AROUND 24% OF THE BASE RATE. AND SO WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT THAT WE COULD EXPAND THE CREDIT JUSTIFICATION TO ALL ACCOUNTS. WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS APPLYING THE SAME ROUGHLY 44% OF ALL THE SAME SIZE METERS, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE IMPACT FROM $213,000 TO $313,000, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THAT. IF WE WERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL BILL, THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? SO WE BASE IT OFF OF THE PERCENTAGE OF THE BASE RATE. THAT MIDDLE OPTION WOULD BE EXPLORING, TAKING A PERCENTAGE OF BASE, THE APPROACH OFF THE TOTAL COST OF THE BILL, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE TAKING 24% OF JUST THE BASE RATE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THAT'S TAKING 24% OF ROUGHLY $40. BUT IF THE AVERAGE BILL WAS, I THINK, $60. THEN TAKING THAT SAME 24 PERCENT OFF OF THE 60 SOMETHING VERSES THE 40 WOULD OBVIOUSLY INCREASE THE CREDIT AND INCREASE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON US. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FLAT AND THE PERMITTAGE.

>> GOT IT.

>> MS. BUTLER, I'M SURE YOU WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THIS?

>> I WOULD. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT AND THAT'S NOT LOST ON ME. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE WANTED TO SEE IS THE APPETITE FOR WHAT THIS WAS IF THERE WAS ANY. I WAS HOPING HE MIGHT GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION TOO AND THE USE OF THAT LIFT FUND AS THE POSSIBILITY, WHERE THERE MAY NOT BE AS MUCH FOR ANY FINANCIAL IMPACT ON THE CITY, BUT WE ARE BRINGING IN SOMEONE AS A BUSINESS PARTNER TO KIND OF

ASSIST IN A FUNDING CAPACITY. >> SO IN THAT PARTICULAR EXAMPLE, AND I'M SORRY IF I WAS NOT CLEAR. SO THAT $270,000 ALLOCATED TO THE PROGRAM ARE CITY FUNDS.

>> THEY WERE CITY FUNDS, YES, MA'AM.

>> AND SO THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE LIFT FUND, AND I FORGET THE TECHNICAL TERM, BUT SOME SERVICES RENDERED BY THE LIFT FUND TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. SO THE BENEFIT OF PARTNERING WITH THE LIFT FUND WOULD BE ALLEVIATING SOME OF THE TIME TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A FEE THERE THAT I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO DETERMINE, BUT TO BE CLEAR, THAT $270,000 WAS IN ALLOCATION FROM THE CITY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

>> YEAH. >> AND SO WITH THAT, IT REALLY DEPENDS IF THERE IS AN APPETITE FROM COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL, AND I APPRECIATE THE INVESTMENT THAT MR. GARZA MADE IN PUTTING THIS ALL TOGETHER. IT DID SHINE SOME LIGHT ON SOME OTHER AREAS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO APPROACH TCQ ON, REGARDING THE LIMITED AREA AND RESTRICTION DURING THE WATER BOIL FOR SOME OF THE LAREDO SPECIFICALLY, BEING IN TEXAS STATE. BUT AGAIN, IT'S REALLY UP TO COUNCIL, WHETHER WE WANT TO PROCEED OR NOT.

>> WELL, I'M NOT FOR PURSUING ANYTHING MORE WITH THE BOIL WATER NOTICES IN TEXAS, TWO OR THREE, EVERY DAY, AND ALL THE CITIES. IF IT WAS A PROLONGED FURTHER AND ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS E. COLI, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT I'M NOT FOR PURSUING EITHER OR ANY OF THESE. SMALL BUSINESS RELIEF PROGRAM, WE DID THAT DURING COVID. WE HARDLY GOT ANYBODY TO APPLY BECAUSE YOU HAD TO JUMP THROUGH HOOPS. I'M JUST NOT, I'M NOT FOR GOING ANY FURTHER WITH IT.

>> YOU KNOW, I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE $10 CREDIT THAT MR. GARZA DID IS LARGELY SYMBOLIC. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A HUGE IMPACT, BUT BASICALLY THOSE PEOPLE HAD TO HEDGE AGAINST RISK OR AN ISSUE.

BUSINESSES AREN'T IN THAT SAME POSITION AS INDIVIDUALS. I SAY THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THERE IS AN ENTIRE FREE MARKET INDUSTRY BUILT ON BUSINESS INTERRUPTION AND INSURANCE AND ANY RESPONSIBLE AND REASONABLE BUSINESS OWNER HAS THE ABILITY

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THOSE PUBLIC FUNDS. >> I THINK THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. TO BE CLEAR, MY INTENT WAS TO LOOK AT THE MOM AND POP, THE VERY SMALL NOT THE INDIVIDUALS AS YOU WOULD REFER TO SHOULD HAVE BUSINESS INTERRUPTION INSURANCE AND TO LOOK AT THOSE THAT ARE JUST STARTING OUT OR HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT THE PROCESSES YET AND THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME FINANCIAL INSIGHTS. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL.

>> MORE INFORMATION IS GOOD. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I THINK WHAT I'M SEEING, I'M NOT SURE, THANK YOU, ASHLEY. I'M NOT SURE --

>> WHEN YOU WOULD SPEAK. >> I DON'T SEE THERE IS AN

APPETITE TO MOVE FORWARD. >> UNLESS OTHERS HAVE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF THING, REIMBURSEMENT TO THE BUSINESSES LIKE A PERCENTAGE WISE. BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THEM WOULD HAVE THAT TYPE OF INSURANCE.

>> AND I GUESS MY POINT IS THEY ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT WHERE THEY CHOSE OR FAILED TO OR CHOSE NOT TO AND FAILED TO. I'M NOT SURE WE'RE HERE TO PICK UP THE PIECES FROM THE BUSINESS FAILURE. I MEAN, BUSINESSES HAVE RISK.

>> THAT IS MY OPINION. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY WISH TO GO DOWN THAT PATH. SO I THINK THEY'RE BETTER USED FOR OUR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROVIDING GOOD CLEAN SAFE WATER.

>> MR. KIDDER? >> I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION AS WELL, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN

WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. >> OKAY.

>> DO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED?

>> YES. THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING THAT A TIE.

[4. Citizen Communication:]

>> VERY GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ALONG THEN TO CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. I HAVE SEVERAL CARDS. AS A REMINDER TO EVERYONE, PLEASE LIMIT YOUR TIME, YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES OUT OF RESPECT FOR EVERYONE'S TIME. AND I WILL

START WITH MICHAEL. >> FAMILIAR FACE. WELCOME BACK.

>> I'M MICHAEL. I LIVE AT 2107 NORTH. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ILLEGAL DUMPING BY DUMPSTER AT CHRIST KITCHEN. THEY DON'T PUT IT IN THE DUMPSTER. THEY PUT IT BESIDE THE DUMPSTER LIKE A LEGAL MATTRESS OR A LEGAL BOX SPRING OR LEGAL FLAT SCREEN TVS. THE LARGE ONES, GLASS, DEBRIS. I WISH CODE ENFORCEMENT OR THE POLICE COULD LOOK INTO IT AND HAVE SOME HIDDEN CAMERAS AND MOTION DETECTED CAMERAS BECAUSE IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALSO VICTORIA OAKS. THE PLUMBERS, THEY FIXED A LOT OF THE LEAKS, BUT IT IS LIKE SIX FOOT LONG AND ABOUT FIVE FEET WIDE AND ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE AND THEY REFUSE TO FILL IT UP EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN THERE. SUNSHINE AND PLUMBING OUT OF EL CAMPO IS IN CHARGE OF THAT AND ROBERT GARCIA IS THE HEAD PLUMBER. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM TAKE CARE OF IT AND LIBERTY REAL ESTATE PARTNERS, DANA FOWLER IS IN CHARGE OF THAT WHERE THEY HAVE NOT REALLY DONE NOTHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. THEY DID JERRY RIG THE BROKEN WINDOW BY PUTTING THE TWO BY FOUR AND THEY COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THAN THE NINE BUSTED WINDOWS WHERE THEY JUST JERRY WIGGED THAT WHERE THEY COULD PUT THEIR HAND IN AND OPEN THE DOOR BECAUSE THE PLACE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE A HISTORY OF ILLEGAL DRUGS. WHEN YOU HAVE ABANDONED BUILDINGS LIKE FOR THREE TO FOUR YEARS, THAT COULD CAUSE PROBLEMS. ALSO THE TRAILER PARK MANAGER, THEY'VE GOT A SIGN THAT SAYS NO TRESPASSING,

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EVENING. >> THANK YOU. NEXT CARD I HAVE IS MS. WILMA EDWARDS.

ANOTHER FAMILIAR FACE. NICE TO SEE YOU, MS. EDWARDS.

>> CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME NOW? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMELESS. I'VE BEEN WALKING AROUND, NOT WALKING, RIDING ALONG, LETTING YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME LAND POSSIBLY THE CITY OWNS THAT YOU BUILT A BUILDING THERE OR SOMETHING FOR THEM TO STAY. YOU HAVE ONE ON CRESTWOOD. THAT BUILDING IS EMPTY. ARE YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE? OKAY, YOU HAVE ONE ON NAVARRA AND LONG TREE. THAT USED TO BE A GROCERY STORE ALSO. AND THE OTHER ONE IS 104 SOUTH.

THOSE ARE LAND I THINK THE CITY OWNS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, MR. YOUNG, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS, BUT I WENT AROUND LETTING YOU KNOW THOSE PLACES THE CITY OWNS AND YOU CAN USE THAT TO BUILD SOMETHING, BUILDINGS FOR THE HOMELESS. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE MORE HOMOPHYLIES NOW THAN EVER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE COMING FROM, OUT OF TOWN OR DIFFERENT PLACES. WE SEE MORE HOMELESS THAN ANYTHING. WE NEED TO STOP TALKING AND LET'S DO SOMETHING. I WAS JOKING WITH SOMEBODY, BUT I WAS SERIOUS. YOU CAN ALL PUT ME ON THE PAYROLL, AND I'LL HELP YOU ALL.

LAST ONE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MS. EDWARDS.

>> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS RICK.

GOOD EVENING, WELCOME, SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. MINE'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT COMMENT. IN 1992, WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE AT 305 BEECHWOOD FROM CHARLES, FORMER CFO AND CITY MANAGER THAT KIND OF DATES ME AND MAYBE DATES A FEW PEOPLE. WE BOUGHT THAT IN '92, WINCE HAD TO MAKE REPAIRS.

THE FOUNDATION A COUPLE OF TIMES. PLUMBING COMPLETELY UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE. THAT WAS RECENTLY JUST LAST SUMMER. WE REPLACED WINDOWS, ALL THE DOORS, THE ROOF, A COUPLE OF TIMES, THE SIDING, THE EXTERIOR. IT'S MOSTLY BRICK HOUSE WITH SOME VINYL SIDING TO REPLACE SOME OF THE WOOD WORK ON THE OUTSIDE.

ANY WAY, THE HOUSE LOOKS GOOD. WE'RE STILL HAPPY TO BE THERE.

WHAT I REALIZED IS ALL THE TIME THE STREETS HAVE BEEN DETERIORATING SINCE '92. THEY STARTED OUT PRETTY GOOD. BUT AS OF TODAY, I CAN SAY THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE THERE BY THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, IT REALLY LOOKS GREAT. I HAD TO TAKE A PICTURE OF THE BLACK FINISH WORK ASPHALT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS SO SMOOTH. I'M WORRIED WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEEDING THROUGH THERE. I'LL NEED TO PUT ANOTHER SPEED BUMP IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE TO SLOW US DOWN. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS WE'RE VERY HAPPY WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN '92. AND WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO IT. WE ARE PROUD OF THAT. THE CITY, THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE WITH CITY FUNDS, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF. YOU KNOW, FROM THE WATER, THE WATER LINES, THE SEWER LINES, THE CURBING SIDEWALKS. DONE FROM THE FOUNDATION UP. THE CONSTRUCTION CREW, I HAVE TO SAY THEY DID A REALLY GREAT JOB. I'M NOT IN THE BUSINESS. I KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT MOVING DIRT AND SOME OTHER BUSINESSES. BUT THESE GUYS WERE GOOD AND COURTEOUS AND PROFESSIONAL. THEY HELPED US

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VERY HAPPY CUSTOMER OF CITY STREETS. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE EVERYONE JEALOUS. AND I CAN CELEBRATE IT. I'VE GOT A WONDERFUL SMOOTH STREET IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE THAT GOES FROM BEECHWOOD, WHICH IS THE WORTH THING IN THE STATE. WE CAN GET AN ONRAMP INTO HOUSTON. WALMART JUST ACROSS THE STREET. SO I'M A HAPPY CAMPER. IT'S TAKING A WHILE. BUT NOT TO EXAGGERATE, BUT I'M NOT EXAGGERATING. THOSE GUYS DID A REALLY GREAT JOB.

WE'RE HAPPY. >> GREAT TO HEAR.

>> YEAH, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. NEXT UP I HAVE

ADAM -- >> IS IT GOING TO GET YOU ON A COMMERCIAL? MAYBE WE OUGHT TO PUT HIM ON PAYROLL.

>> WELCOME.

>> MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. MY NAME IS ADAM, AND I'M SEEKING APPOINTMENT TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND FOOD ESTABLISHING APPEAL'S BOARD BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE GROWTH AND SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF VICTORIA. I BELIEVE MY SERVICE ON BOTH BOARDS WOULD HELP OUR COMMUNITY, IF APPOINTED, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I WOULD HELP GUIDE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT, ENSURING OUR CITY'S GROWTH BE PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE CREATING OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES ALIKE. IF APPOINTED TO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT'S APPEAL BOARD, I WAS SURE OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES OPERATES FAIRLY, BALANCING PUBLIC HEALTH. PROTECTING OUR RESIDENTS WHILE SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESSES IS THE KIND OF BALANCE I'M COMMITTED TO MAINTAIN. MY BACKGROUND HAS PREPARED ME WELL FOR THIS SERVICE AS A U.S. NAVY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER. I LEARNED TO MAKE CRITICAL AND PRECISE DECISIONS ON HIGH PRESSURE SITUATIONS. SKILLS DIRECTLY, APPLICABLE, AND REVIEWABLE PLANS, REGULATIONS, AND APPEALS.

LATER, MY WORK IN THE TRANSPORTATION OF LOGISTICS INDUSTRY TAUGHT ME TO THE IMPORTANCE OF ACCOUNTABILITY, ATTENTION TO DETAIL, AND FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS TO ENSURE SAFETY AND EFFICIENCY. THESE EXPERIENCES HAVE SHAPED MY ABILITY TO EVALUATE COMPLEX SITUATIONS FAIRLY THOROUGHLY AND THOUGHTFULLY. THIS APPOINTMENT IS ALSO PART OF MY BROAD VISION OF SERVING VICTORIA IN A LEADERSHIP CAPABILITY. I WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR CITY OPERATES, CONTRIBUTE MEANINGFULLY TO IMPORTANT DECISIONS AND GAIN THE EXPERIENCE THAT PREPARES ME TO MAKE WELL INFORMED COMMUNITY-FOCUSED CHOICES. IF APPOINTED, I WILL APPROACH EVERY SITUATION WITH TRANSPARENCY, INTEGRITY, IMPERIALITY. KEEPING THE INTEREST OF BOTH LOCAL RESIDENTS AND OUR BUSINESSES IN MIND. SERVING ON THESE BOARDS WOULD BE AN HONOR. I'M READY TO DEDICATE THE TIME, ENERGY, COMMITMENT NECESSARY TO MAKE FAIR, RESPONSIBLE, AND POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS TO VICTORIA'S GROWTH AND WELL BEING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT CARD I HAVE IS FROM JOHN.

WELCOME. >> HELLO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SO I KNOW SEVERAL OF YOU ALL OUT THERE. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO BE APPOINTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I'M CURRENTLY ON THE PARKS, AND AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. I FEEL I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF VICTORIA, BORN AND RAISED, GREW UP, ATTENDED VICTORIA HIGH SCHOOL. WENT TO VICTORIA COLLEGE. I'VE SEEN VICTORIA CHANGE DRAMATICALLY. I TOO WOULD LOVE TO SEE OUR FUTURE GROWING. I GUESS IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.

I'VE BEEN VERY FOCAL IN THE PAST WHEN I PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I HAVE SOME IDEAS I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD, IF I GET THAT OPPORTUNITY. I BELIEVE I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, AND I KNOW IN THE PAST WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I WAS ALWAYS PREPARED, ATTENDANCE. I

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FOR THAT TIME. >> NEXT COURT IS JOHN SWANSON.

GOOD EVENING, SIR. WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING, YES. SO I'M HERE TO BORE YOU GUYS OUT. YOU DID A GOOD JOB ON I THINK THE WATER, SO I WANTED TO COME DOWN AND LET YOU KNOW THAT THE KEY, IN MY MIND, IS LEARNING. WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. MISTAKES ARE A PART OF LIFE. IF WE FIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY MADE MISTAKES, NONE OF US WOULD BE WORKING, RIGHT? AND SO IT IS ABOUT LEARNING. IF WE LEARN SOMETHING AND WE'RE BETTER FOR IT, BOY, WHAT AN EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY WE JUST GOT. WE CAN BECOME PRETTY DARN GOOD FROM THAT LEARNING OPPORTUNITY. SO DON'T WASTE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU GOT AN EDUCATION. THE SECOND THING I GOT IS I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO. IT'S IMPORTANT, IT'S SERIOUS STUFF, AND WE NEED IT. I THANK YOU. YOU TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT AND IT IS APPRECIATED, AND WE RECOGNIZE IT. WISH THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNICATION TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY, A PART OF IT IS MY FAULT, RIGHT? I'M NOT TAKING THE TIME AND EFFORT TO GO AND FIND IT, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE AND A PART OF IT IS MY FAULT. THE THIRD AND LAST THING YOU ALL ARE DOING THE BUDGET. THAT'S TOUGH. THAT'S HARD. THE PIECE I STRUGGLE WITH, THINGS HAVEN'T CHANGED VERY MUCH FROM LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE. AND YET COSTS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S SALARIES HAVE TO GO UP. WE'VE GOT INFLATION CONCERNS THERE. THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HANDLE THAT, SO I CONCLUDE WITH I APPRECIATE YOU ALL STRUGGLING WITH THOSE, AND GETTING US A BETTER COMMUNITY FROM THE LEARNING OPPORTUNITY, OKAY. DON'T WASTE A GOOD LEARNING OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. I YIELD BACK THE BALANCE OF MY TIME.

>> ALL RIGHT, THE NEXT CARD I HAVE IS KIM HALLS.

WELCOME, >> HI, THANK YOU. YOU ALL HAVE NOT DISCUSSED ANYTHING. OURS IS THE ACTION ITEM, IT'S NUMBER

FOUR. >> OKAY.

>> CAN I GO AHEAD AND DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU?

>> YES. >> I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I KNOW THIS IS AN APPEAL FOR THIS ONE. BUT OUR CONCERNS ARE IT'S A METAL FENCE. AND THESE ARE SHEETS OF METAL. OUR CONCERN IS IF THERE IS A HIGH WIND THAT COMES THROUGH AND ONE OF THESE SHEETS COMING UP AND SOMEBODY HITS A DOG, ANYBODY, PERSON, HOUSE. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? AND THEN IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH AND IT DOES GET PASSED, THE NEIGHBOR CAN KEEP THIS FENCE UP. WHAT DO I, IN MY PROFESSION, TELL OUR CLIENTS WHEN THEY ARE ASKING WHAT KIND OF FENCE CAN YOU PUT UP? DO I JUST TELL THEM, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS LATER. THAT'S IT.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THE NEXT CARD I HAVE, I BELIEVE -- I MAY GET THIS WRONG.

I MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN THAT BACKWARDS, I'M SORRY.

>> THAT'S OKAY. >> HI, WELCOME. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE SAME AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 4, IT'S AN APPEAL. I WASN'T AWARE THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN APPEAL AND WE WOULD GET TO SPEAK. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN. WHEN THEY APPROACHED US ABOUT PUTTING THIS FENCE UP, WE SAID YOU NEED TO CHECK IN WHAT THE RULES ARE, AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST RULES. IT'S NOT UP PROPERLY, IT IS VERY NOISY ANY TIME THEY BLOW IT ALL. YOU CAN HEAR HEAR IT. ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THIS SHEET METAL IS

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THAT IS WHY THEY DECIDED TO PUT THIS FENCE UP. SO IF THAT IS NEEDED, I AM HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT VIDEO FOOTAGE. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND PULL IT UP, AND SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE TO SUBMIT

IT. THAT'S IT. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THE FINAL CARD I HAVE IS LOW GAL HAAS.

HI, WELCOME. HELLO, THANK YOU. I'M ACTUALLY THE NEIGHBOR THAT SHARES THE METAL FENCE THAT'S UP AT 904 JOPLIN. IT WAS PUT IN PREVIOUSLY BEFORE I PURCHASED THE HOUSE. I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT SAVANNAH AND KIM HAVE SAID. IT'S A HUGE SAFETY CONCERN FOR ME. MY HOUSE IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IT'S SHEETS OF TIN METAL.

THEY DO NOT TOUCH THE GROUND IN MULTIPLE PLACES. I HAVE HAD TO PUT UP BOARDS AND CATTLE GUARDS, SO MY DOGS DO GO UP. I HAVE A CONCERN WITH THE HURRICANE COMING IN IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN WITH THAT POWER LINE, IT GOES UP AGAINST THE METAL FENCE, AND THE WHOLE METAL FENCE IS ELECTRIFIED. I DO NOT KNOW IF THAT METAL FENCE HAS BEEN GROUNDED PROPERLY. IT'S JUST A SAFETY CONCERN, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU ALL HAVE LISTENED.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

>> SIR, I SAW YOU RAISE YOUR HAND. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? INAUDIBLE ] SAY THAT AGAIN?

>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEM. THAT'S THE OTHER VARIANCE WE HAVE ON, WHICH IS E3. HE'S ACTUALLY THE OWNER, SO WE ALWAYS

HAVE A PRACTICE -- >> SO HE CAN SPEAK AT THAT TIME?

>> YES. >> OTHER CONCERNS THAT HAVE SINCE SPOKEN AT CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SIR, IF YOU WOULD HANG AROUND UNTIL WE GET TO YOUR ITEM SINCE YOU'RE THE OWNER, THEN YOU'LL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. ALL

[1. An ordinance approving a budget amendment in the amount of $125,000 fo...]

>> AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A BUDGET AMENDMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,000 FOR THE PARKING LOT PROJECT AT RIVERSIDE PARK GOLF COURSE. THIS ITEM IS ON FIRST READING.

>> GOOD EVENING. BEFORE KIM GETS UP TO EXPLAIN THE SCOPE OF IT THIS WORK. I JUST WANT TO SAY THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU WOULD AMEND THE GOLF COURSE FUND BUDGET FOR FISCAL 25 IN THE AMOUNT OF $125,000. IT'S COMING FROM WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS SINCE THE CITY TOOK OVER THE GOLF COURSE. WITH THIS AMENDMENT, THE FUND WOULD STILL REMAIN ABOVE THE MINIMUM CONSERVE, WHICH WOULD STILL KEEP IT ABOVE THE MINIMUM RESERVE.

>> THANK YOU, WES. >> QUICK SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS TO REPAIR SOME OF THE FAILED AREAS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING LOT. AND THEN THERE IS A LOW SPOT OUT THERE RAY TRIED TO GET IT. A ONE-INCH OVERLAY, THE CONTRACT WE'LL PUT IN 115,000 PARKING BLOTS IN IT AND RESTRIPE IT. WHERE SHE EVEN GONE AS FAR AS FINDING A CONTRACT THAT WE WITNESS TODAY IN THEIR SITE IN SAN ANTONIO. THERE'S VERY GOOD PARKING LOTS.

BRINGING THAT BACK FOR AN AWARD ON THE 16TH OF SEPTEMBER.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PROJECT? YES, SIR?

>> I WANT TO READ THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE PARK HAS BEEN

PATCHED? >> IT'S BEEN PATCHED, BUT NOT

RESURFACE IF THE. >> WHY DIDN'T WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT INSTEAD OF REDOING IT QUITE FREQUENTLY.

>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> WE ARE DOING THE WHOLE PARKING LOT AT THE GOLF COURSE. RIVERSIDE, IT'S THE WHOLE PARKING LOT AREA.

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>> SOMEWHAT. SO THIS IS JUST A RESURFACING?

>> YES, YES, SIR. >> WHAT I WAS SAYING THERE'S BEEN MIN FLEE FLOODS IN THAT AREA AND THAT PARK. WHY DID WE JUST DECIDE TO RESURFACE IT AND REBUILD IT COMPLETELY.

>> THE PARKING LOT IS IN EXTRA GOOD SPACE. AND THE CONTRACT THE WILL REPAIR THOSE. OVERALL THAT PARKING LOT, BASE WISE, IS IN GREAT SHAPE. I GUESS IT'S STARTING TO GET POTHOLES TO WHERE WE HAVE A GRAVEL PARKING LOT.

>> I WAS ASKING BECAUSE OF THE FIRST TIME IN 30 YEARS.

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAVE NOT PUT ANYTHING TO IT AND IT'S HELD UP. IT'S DONE A GOOD JOB.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT'S MY QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WITH THAT THEN, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH RESPECT TO ITEM C1. IF ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM

C1 AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON C1? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE?

[D. Consent Agenda:]

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? AND ITEM C1 PASSES. OKAY. BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, I OVERLOOKED -- I MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ITEM D4 IS BEING PULLED FROM THAT AGENDA AND MOVED TO THE ACTION ITEMS FOR COUNCIL. SO WITH THAT NOTATION, PLEASE COVER THE CONSENT AGENDA

FOR US. >> YES, SIR, ITEM D1 IS AN ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES. ITEM 2, APPROVE RENEWAL OF THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT WITH THE GULF BEND CENTER FOR THE PROVISION OF MENTAL HEALTH PEACE OFFICER SERVICES. ITEM D3, A RESOLUTION APPROVING A PROFESSIONAL AGREEMENT SERVICES WITH SWA GROUP FOR DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE CHILDREN'S PARK SPLASH PAD IN THE AMOUNT OF $233,000. ITEM D5 IS THE RESOLUTION AMENDING THE CONTRACT WITH THIRKETTLE COOPERATION D/B/A AQUA METRIC SALES COMPANY FOR THE WATER METER REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $7,067.67. ANY MOTION IN RESPECT TO THAT PORTION OF THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA AS READ.

>> SECOND. >> I'VE GOT A MOTION AND

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? >> AYE.

[4. Amend Resolution No. 2019-98 and authorize the City Manager to execute...]

>> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE UP ITEM

D4. >> ITEM D4 IS A RESOLUTION AMENDING RESOLUTION NO. 2019-98 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $100,000.

>> GOOD EVENING, MS. LACEY. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. IN 2001, THE CITY PASSED A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACTS UP TO $25,000. IN 2019, CITY COUNCIL INCREASED THE LIMITS TO $50,000 TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE LAW AT THE TIME. AS PART OF THE 89TH LEGISLATIVE SESSION, SENATE BILL 1173 WAS PASSED AND EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1, 2025. SENATE BILL 1173 SEEKS TO MODERNIZE AND STREAMLINE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT PROCESSES IN TEXAS BY RAISING THE MONITOR THRESHOLD, WHICH IS AHEAD OF THE METHODS REQUIRED.

SPECIFICALLY IT AMENDS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 252.021A TO INCREASE THE THRESHOLD FROM $50,000 TO $100,000 FOR MUNICIPALITIES. THIS CHANGE MEANS THE PURCHASES OF CONTRACTS OF GOODS AND SERVICES VALUED BELOW $100,000 MAY BE EXECUTED WITHOUT THE NEED FOR FORMAL COMPETITIVE BUSINESSES, ALLOWING FOR FASTER RECRUITMENT FOR TEENS. FOR SOME CONTEXT, IN FISCAL YEAR 2022, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED 18 CONTRACTS TO BE EXECUTED WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT BETWEEN $50,000 AND $100,000. IN FISCAL YEAR 23, THERE WERE 11. IN FISCAL YEAR 24, THERE WERE 15. AND THUS FAR IN FISCAL YEAR 25, CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED THE EXECUTION OF EIGHT CONTRACTS BETWEEN 50 TO 100,000. SEEKING TO SPEND THE CITY MANAGER'S OPTION TO THE NEW $1,000

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WEEKS. >> I BELIEVE I RECALL SEEING FROM TML IT THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO REQUEST JUST BASED ON RISING

COST OF BASIC SERVICES. >> ABSOLUTELY. YES. I THINK THAT SHOWS IN THE FACT THERE HAS ONLY BEEN EIGHT CONTRACTS SO FAR IN FISCAL YEAR 25 TO FIT IN THAT THRESHOLD. AS PRICES JUST CONTINUE TO GO UP, WE'RE HAVING LESS AND LESS OF WHAT WE NOW CONSIDER SMALLER CONTRACTS. SO THE UNDER $100,000 WAS TO CREATE EVEN MORE EFFICIENCIES WITHIN CITIES THAT ARE HAVING MORE AND

MORE HIGH DOLLAR CONTRACTS. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. ANY

QUESTIONS? >> NO, GO AHEAD.

>> I JUST SAID THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION.

>> I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> SURE.

>> MAYBE I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION ON THE LANGUAGE, AND MAYBE IT IS ALREADY IN EFFECT ON ITEM 4 WITHIN THE RESOLUTION. WHERE THE NOTIFYING OF CITY COUNCIL OF EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT. IT SAYS HOWEVER, IN THE EVENT THAT NO SUCH NOTIFICATION IS MADE. THE CONTRACT SHALL STILL BE VALID.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WHICH IS CERTAINLY, IT WOULD BE VALID. IT'S A VALID CONTRACT. BUT WHAT'S THE TRIGGER FOR NOTIFICATION OF COUNCIL IF IT PERHAPS SLIPS

THROUGH THE CRACKS? >> THAT NOTIFICATION, THAT EXACT LANGUAGE WAS INCLUDED IN THE 2019 RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED AT THE TIME. IT WAS A PROMISE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT EVEN IF THE CONTRACTS ARE BEING EXECUTED BY THE CITY MANAGER, YOU'LL BE MADE AWARE OF THEM. SO IF ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE DO NOW IS IF YOU ALL RECEIVE A LIST IN YOUR READ FILES BEFORE THE MEETING THAT HAVE BEEN EXECUTED IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INVALIDATE THE CONTRACT. IF THE STATE ALLOWS US TO FOLLOW THE PROPER PROCEDURE.

>> IT WAS JUST A. >> I FIGURED WE WOULD TAKE IT FROM THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION. IT IS POSSIBLE IT WAS FROM THE 2001 RESOLUTION, BY RENT DOE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.

>> OUR IN-HOUSE HISTORIAN. >> WE'LL PROBABLY KNOW MORE

THAN 2001 THAN I DO. >> I WANTED THE CLARIFICATION IS

ALL I WANTED. >> VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT, ANY

OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO. THANK YOU FOR THE

PRESENTATION. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WITH RESPECT

TO ITEM D4. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM D4.

>> I SECOND IT. >> ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

[1. Approve an Interlocal Agreement with Victoria County for the reconstru...]

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? AND D4 PASSES.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE TO SECTION E, ACTION ITEMS FOR

COUNCIL. ITEM E1. >> E1, A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH VICTORIA COUNTY FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF NORTHSIDE ROAD NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF

$220,000. >> WELCOME, MR. GILL. BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, LET ME SAY WELCOME TO COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. >> THAT'S A PLEASURE. THANK

YOU. >> ARE YOU DOING THE

PRESENTATION? >> NO.

>> PERFECT. >> I'M HERE FOR EMOTIONAL

SUPPORT. >> WELL PLAYED. WELL PLAYED. MR. GILL, SOUNDS LIKE THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> THAT'S GOOD. WE'VE BEEN MOSTLY SUPPORTING ON THIS INTERLOCAL FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW.

>> YES, WE HAVE. YES, SIR. >> SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND. JASON CAME AND TALKED TO US ABOUT JUNE AND SAID HEY, WE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REALLY MAKE THE CITIZENS OF VICTORIA COUNTY AND THIS CITY. SO WE MET AND TALKED ABOUT GETTING IT DONE.

THEY ALREADY HAD THAT CON ACCOUNT THAT. THEY'RE WORKING ON THE DESIGN. WE'RE DEVELOPING A COST FOR THE CITY PORTION AND THE COUNTY PORTION. ALLISON DEVELOPED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AND IT WAS EXECUTED BY THE COUNTY. WE ARE JUST BRINGING IT TO YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THE KEY POINTS OF THE INTERLOCAL IS THE CITY WILL PAY THE PORTION ON NORTHSIDE ROAD INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. THAT'S THE BASE BID OF 1,480

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>> THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP TO PARSONS, THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK THE CITY'S PORTION IS A LITTLE OVER A QUARTER OF A MILE.

THE PERCENTAGE IS 29.69%. I'LL GIVE YOU WHY. AND THE CONTRACT FOR THE CIVIL AND THEN WE ALSO PAY FOR THE MOBILIZATION AND

BARRICADING >> THEY AWARDED THE PROJECT, AND WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE CITY INSPECTION SERVICES. WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE ROADS OURSELVES WITH CONTRACTORS. WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, SO WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM KEEP QUANTIFIES, WATCH THE CONTRACTOR DENSITIES, AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE JOB. THE PROJECT SCOPE IS TO RECLAIM AND CEMENT STABILIZE THE EXISTING BASE. IN A GRADE 5 AGGREGATE, THAT'S THE TYPICAL PROCESS. IN A TWO-COURSE SEAL IN THE KEYWORD HERE IS AC15P WITH THE GREAT THROUGH. THE REASON WHY THIS IS COMING QUICK, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE SEAL COAT DONE THIS SUMMER.

IT'S A SUPERIOR SEAL COAT VERSES IN THE WINTERTIME, YOU HAVE TO USE AN EMOTION, WHICH IS 50% WATER. IT THIS IS STRAIGHT AC. IT IS JUST A MUCH BETTER PRODUCT. YOU HAVE A TEMPERATURE GUIDELINE TO DO, WHICH STARTS GETTING WARY IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. AGAIN, ON OUR PORTION, WE ARE GOING TO INCLUDE STRIPING, DOUBLE YELLOW, WHITE EDGE LINES. THAT'S THE LOCATION THAT IS BASICALLY FROM THE BACK OF BRIDLE RIDGE TO NAVARRO. THE COUNTY BID THE JOB, WHICH IS THE LOWEST AND THE BEST BID. THE TOTAL PROJECT COST, AND MOBILIZATION AND BARRICADING AGAIN IS LISTED. THAT FALLS INTO THE CITY PORTION OF $15,192. THE CITY PORTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION, AND THAT WAS BID SEPARATE. AND THEN THE CITY DESIGN COST, OUR PORTION WOULD BE $14,878. THE INTERLOCAL HAS MUCH HIGHER NUMBER. THAT'S BEFORE WE HAD THE PROJECT BID. WE WERE JUST ESTIMATING COSTS. I DO WANT TO THANK AVERY OVER THERE FOR HELPING ME WITH THE NUMBERS.

>> MAN, OKAY. I TOLD YOU, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE COME.

] NO, THE GENESIS OF THIS PROJECT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE SIMPLY I WAS GETTING A LOT OF CALLS AND COMPLAINTS REGARDS TO THE NORTH SIDE, SO WAS KEN WHEN WE COMPARED NOTES. WE VIEWED IT AS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE BECAUSE THAT ROAD HAS TRANSFORMED ITSELF FROM JUST A COUNTY/CITY SIDE SIDE ROAD LIKE A THOROUGHFARE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A -- ALONG THE POTHOLES, WHAT HAVE YOU. TO GET DONE AND MAKE A JOINT PROJECT. I WANT TO THANK KEN FOR HIS HELP. I WANT TO THANK ALLISON FOR HELPING TO DRAFT THIS. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TALKING EVERYTHING THROUGH AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. WITH THAT, I SUBMIT

ANY QUESTIONS. >> THE CITY PORTION WILL BE

FINISHED FIRST, CORRECT? >> YES. NATURALLY, YES. BUT IT DOES MAKE SENSE. I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE PHASE ONE. RIGHT, SO WE COULD WORK THE DETOURS. WE'LL NEED TO DO SOME TRICKY DETOURING AROUND THERE. THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE DONE THIS ITSELF, BUT WE DO HAVE A ROAD CREW THAT BOUNCES FROM DIFFERENT PRECINCTS.

HOWEVER, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOLKS ON THE ROAD WHO WILL DO AMPLE TRAFFIC CONTROL BECAUSE THE ROAD IS HEAVILY TRAVELED.

THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO GO AND BID IT OUT TO DO IT THIS WAY.

>> THANK YOU, BOTH. THAT'S A GREAT PROJECT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU'RE RIGHT. A FEW OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER. WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT WHEN WE

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>> I'LL JUST THROW OUT FIRST OF SEVERAL. THERE ARE ALSO SOME ROADS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN LIKE AROUND THE BOTTOM STREET THAT ALSO COULD BE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE WITH THE COUNTY, SO I EXPECT MORE OF THAT TO COME IN THE

FUTURE. >> I THINK THAT'S A WIN FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. ALL RIGHT. THEN DO I HAVE ANY MOTION IN

RESPECT TO ITEM E1? >> I MOVE WE ADOPT E1.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

[2. Approve the first renewal of the City's annual bulk fuel supply contra...]

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? E1 PASSES. WE

WILL JUMP IN TO ITEM E2. >> ITEM E2 IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FIRST RENEWAL OF THE CITY'S ANNUAL BULK CITY CONTRACT WITH NEW DISTRIBUTING COMPANY, INCORPORATE, IN THE

AMOUNT OF $1,482,940.45. >> MR. WELDER, WELCOME.

>> WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. THIS IS A VERY ROUTINE CONTRACT RENEWAL. IT HAS A FAIRLY HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT.

I'LL GIVE A SHORT HISTORY. THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS BID IN SUMMER OF 2024. CONTRACT BECAME ACTIVE IN OCTOBER 24, 2024. RUNS CONCURRENT WITH OUR FISCAL YEAR. THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS ESTABLISHED USING THE PRICE OF GAS AND DIESEL FUEL AT THAT TIME. THE BIDS CONSISTENT OF A DIFFERENTIAL PRICE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE COST OF THE DELIVERY OF THE PRODUCT. THIS RENEWAL USES THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM THE ORIGINAL BID, SO WE COULD KEEP THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE THE SAME. HOWEVER, THE COST OVER THE LAST YEAR HAS GONE DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. OUR COST HAS GONE DOWN IF YOU LOOK TO OUR FISCAL 26 BUDGET. I BELIEVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SPENT THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THIS IS A ONE-YEAR TERM RENEWAL. WE HAVE THE FIRST OF THREE RENEWALS WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WELDER? NO? NOTHING. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. >> ANY MOTION IN RESPECT TO ITEM

E2? >> MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E2.

>> SECOND. >> I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? >> AYE.

[3. Consider the recommendations of the Board of Adjustment and Appeals fo...]

>> ANY OPPOSED? AND WE HAVE FUEL SECURED FOR A YEAR. THANK YOU.

ITEM E3. >> ITEM E3 IS A RESOLUTION CONSIDERING THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS FOR VARIANCES TO SECTION 21-126, 21-132 TO ALLOW THE PLACEMENT OF A MANUFACTURED HOME AT 2706 STEVIE STREET.

>> GOOD EVENING. SO WE DON'T NORMALLY HEAR -- YOU DON'T NORMALLY HEAR VARIANCES FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS, SO I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND DO A LITTLE EDUCATION. SO MANUFACTURED HOME REGULATIONS ARE CONTAINED WITHIN ARTICLE III OF OUR UNIFIED ORDINANCE, AND ARTICLE III IS ALL THINGS BUILDING CODES. SO THAT IS WHY ARTICLE III VARIANCES GO TO OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY OUR CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS, WHERE THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF TECHNICAL TRADES, REPRESENTED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. SO MANUFACTURED HOME REGULATIONS ARE VERY DETAILED AND STATE LAW.

ESSENTIALLY MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE REGULATED BY A CODE, NOT BY A STANDARD BUILDING CODE LIKE THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE OR OTHER REALLY MORE OBSOLETE STANDARDS CODES. BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER THAT HUD CODE, THEY'RE CONSIDERED TO NOT BE A STRONG OR GOOD CODE, SO THEREFORE STATE LAW ALLOWS MANUFACTURED HOMES TO BE REGULATED VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN YOUR BUILT TYPE HOMES. SO FOR THAT, THE REGULATIONS ARE REALLY HEAVILY BASED ON WHERE MANUFACTURED HOMES CAN BE PLACED. AND CITIES HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF LATITUDE IN DECIDING WHERE MANUFACTURED HOMES COULD BE PLACED WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY. FOR THE CITY OF VICTORIA CODE, MANUFACTURED HOMES THAT ARE NOT PLACED WITHIN A PARK OR A MANUFACTURED HOME DIVISION, WHERE THEY ARE PLACED ON THE EMPTY LOT IN ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY HAVE TO BE OWNER-OCCUPIED. FIRST VARIANCE IS A REQUEST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER TO NOT PROVE THE OWNER OCCUPIED STANDARDS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES. SO THIS IS A LONG STANDING CODE WITHIN OUR 1992 SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. HOW WE REQUIRE PERSPECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS OF MANUFACTURED HOMES ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND SUBDIVISIONS TO PROVE THEY WILL BE OCCUPYING THAT HOME. IT'S TO REMOVE ANY HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION THEY HAVE FROM ANOTHER HOME BECAUSE IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE OCCUPYING THE MANUFACTURED HOME, THAT'S YOUR

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I'M SORRY, I SAID IN TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS. SECTION 21 STATES NO PERSON SHALL RECEIVE A PERMIT FOR A HOME OLDER THAN 20 YEARS FROM THE DATE OF APPLICATION. WE HAD DEBATED ON 10 TO 20 YEARS, BACK AND FORTH, IN MANY TIMES IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE TO HAVE THE TEN YEARS ALWAYS STUCK IN MY MIND.

>> OKAY, JUST SO WE ARE ALL CLEAR ON THIS. SO THE BOARD WAS OKAY WITH THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOME?

>> BASED ON THE AGE. >> THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE AGE, BUT THEY WEREN'T OKAY WITH NOT MAKING THAT THE HOMESTEAD OR REMOVING ANOTHER HOMESTEAD, CORRECT?

>> THEY FELT THAT OWNER-OCCUPATION THAT'S REQUIRED SHOULD NOT BE VARIED FROM.

>> SO ARE BOTH OF THESE VARIANCES THEN REQUESTED BEFORE? OR WAS ONLY ONE OF THE DECISIONS OF THE BOARD APPEALED?

>> THE BOARD OF APPEALS, WE DIDN'T REALLY BRING THE TOTAL RECOMMENDATION. IT'S NOT AN APPEALS SITUATION LIKE WE NORMALLY DO WITH PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> OKAY. >> AND SO BOTH OF THEM ARE

BEFORE US TONIGHT? >> GOT IT. OKAY.

>> BY THE WAY, IF AT ANY POINT YOU FEEL IT'S NECESSARY, YOU CAN TAKE A QUICK BREAK TO PLUG IN A CABLE THAT WE THINK GOT

UNPLUGGED. >> OKAY.

>> SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. >> WHEN WE DO THESE, IT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE THE PICTURE. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT REAL QUICK TO GET A LOOK AT

>>> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK IN SESSION TO FIX SOME ISSUES.

>> JUST AS A REFRESHER. AGAIN, THESE ARE VARIANCES REQUESTED THAT ARE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEAL, WHICH IS A RECOMMENDING BODY. ALL VARIANCES REQUEST, WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION IS, DOES COME TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. THE BOARD DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE AND THE AGE OF THE HOME AS IT IS OLDER THAN 20 YEARS, BUT THEY RECOMMENDED DENIAL THE VARIANCE TO PROVE THE OWNERS, NOT HAVING TO PROVE THE OWNERSHIP AND IT SHOULD BE OWNER OCCUPIED. IF COUNCIL WERE TO ADOPT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AS YOUR DECISION. IF THE PROPERTY OWNER CHOSE NOT TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE LACK OF HOMESTEAD, THEN WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT THROUGH WITHHOLDING THE MUNICIPAL COURT. AS A REMINDER TOO, MR. ALVAREZ IS HERE. I DO BELIEVE MAYBE HE WANTS TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. MS. ALVAREZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNCIL ON THIS? PLEASE COME FORWARD. WELCOME.

>> MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN VICTORIA.

I'LL BE 76 YEARS OLD IN JANUARY. AND I SERVED IN VIETNAM. I GOT WOUNDED TWICE BY THE GRACE OF GOD, I'M HERE. AND THIS SITUATION IS KIND OF UNIQUE. I APPRECIATE THE YOUNG LADY FOR BRINGING FORWARD THE MESSAGE THE CITY BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THAT I'LL HAVE A LOT MORE TIME TO PRESENT WHAT I GOT HERE. SO ANY WAY, REGARDLESS, I FOUND IN THE BEGINNING, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO THIS AS MUCH OF A PROFESSIONAL MANNER AS I

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THEY WERE NICE PEOPLE, BUT THEY JUST TAKE A WHILE. AND THEY TOOK A WHILE AND THEY TOOK A LITTLE LONGER THAN WHAT THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THEY TOLD ME MY TIME HAD EXPIRED, STUFF LIKE THAT. WITHIN A MONTH, FROM FEBRUARY TO MARCH. BUT ANY WAY BEFORE THEY TOLD ME THAT WAS THE AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO THE OTHER PROFESSIONAL GUY TO MOVE IT BECAUSE I ALREADY HAD IT PLOTTED FOR THAT AND FOR EVERYTHING THAT TO BE DONE. SO I WENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE.

I DON'T WANT TO MENTION NAMES. BUT ANY WAY, I WENT TO THEM.

CHARGING $4,000. IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF PERMITS AND EVERYTHING, SO ANOTHER $4,000. AND THEN THEY MOVE IT. I KNOW THE PEOPLE BECAUSE I WAS A CONTRACTOR HERE ALL MY LIFE. SO I KNOW THE PEOPLE, AND THEY DID A GREAT JOB. THEY PUT IT AND TIED IT DOWN AND EVERYTHING. I WAS GOOD, OKAY. I WENT AND GOT THE PLUMBERS TO GO PULL THE PERMITS TO WORK ON THE PLUMBING. WHEN THEY WENT, THEY SAID NO. THERE IS NO RECORD THAT THE MOBILE HOME, IS THAT WHAT THEY TOLD THE PLUMBER THAT THEY WENT TO THE CITY AND THERE IS NO REGARD. AND EVERYTHING THAT I WAS DOING. SO THERE THEY GO AGAIN. AND BESIDE THAT, I HAD TO BE A HOMESTEAD AND MY NAME WAS ON THE HOMESTEAD AT ANOTHER LOCATION, SO I SAID OKAY. BUT I HAD MY DAUGHTER LIVING IN THE OTHER LOCATION, SO THERE IS NO PROBLEM THERE. I COULD MAKE DEALING WITH MY HOMESTEAD BECAUSE IT WASN'T MY HOME, BUT THE MOBILE HOME PARK.

I WENT TO WHERE YOU GET THE TITLES AND YOU STARTED WORKING ON THE HOMESTEAD, SO THEY KNOW THIS IS ALL ON THE RECORD.

THAT'S THE REASON I WENT TO THE BOARD AND IT COST ME ANOTHER $300 FOR THIS SITUATION. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.

>> DO YOU LIVE IN THE MOBILE HOME?

>> I LIVE THERE HAD IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR WHEN I HAD IT MOVED.

BUT IT WAS ONE MONTH TOO LATE, YOU KNOW. THEY HAD TO CHANGE IT

TO 20 YEARS ONLY OR SOMETHING. >> DID I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SAID YOU APPLIED TO MAKE THAT PROPERTY YOUR HOMESTEAD?

>> YES. THAT IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, MY HOME. I LOST MY WIFE THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO. I HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS. AND NOW I'M LIVING THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS ALREADY, THE PAYMENT AT THE MOBILE HOME PARK WAS BETTER THAN $700 ALREADY. I SAID I COULD USE

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REASON WHY. >> TO YOUR CURRENT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON ANOTHER HOUSE, WHICH YOUR DAUGHTER LIVES IN.

>> AND THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY WILL PUT MY HOMESTEAD THERE. WHO DO YOU GET? TO WHOM DO YOU GET THAT?

>> THE TITLE, THE VICTORY WHERE YOU WOULD GET --

>> WAS IT TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT?

>> YES, MA'AM. YES, SIR. >> AND HOW LONG AGO DID YOU

SUBMIT THAT? >> WELL, I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT SINCE EVEN -- I HAD ALREADY WORKED ON IT. BUT WHEN I WENT TO THE BOARD MEETING, THEY TELL ME THEY RECOMMENDED THAT AND I WENT BACK. THEY ARE JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> BASED ON THE BOARD DECISION IS THAT IF HE CAN GET HIS HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, THEN HE IS FINE UNDER OUR ORDINANCES AND UNDER THE BUILDING STANDARD'S RULING, CORRECT?

>> YES, THE STEPS WE HAVE COMMUNICATED BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GET THE HOMESTEAD UNTIL THE WANT PRO, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN C/O'D.

IT'S USUALLY THE ADVICE, THE PROCESS IT'S BEEN, FOLKS WHO REMOVE THAT HOMESTEAD. YOU CAN REMOVE THE HOMESTEAD. ONCE HE GETS THAT, THEY COULD APPLY FOR THE NEW HOMESTEAD.

>> THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. THEY NEED TO GO TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND ASK TO REMOVE YOUR EXISTING HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

THAT'S PROBABLY ONE DOCUMENT. THEN FILE A NEW HOMESTEAD

EXEMPTION FOR THIS PROPERTY. >> IT IF THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT, THEY TELL ME FOR AUSTIN, FOR SOME REASON, THAT IT COULD BE DONE IN JANUARY. THAT'S ANOTHER OBSTACLE THERE.

>> I BELIEVE THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN ISSUE ON THE NEW HOMESTEAD IF THE TITLE IS NOT COMPLETELY CLEARED. BUT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET IF THERE IS A -- BASICALLY A STATEMENT OF OWNERSHIP FROM THE STATE, AND WE ACCEPT THAT AS TITLE.

>> OKAY. >> SO THE HANG UP IS WITH CLEARING THE TITLE, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT APPROVING THE

APPLICATION? >> YOU KNOW, IF COUNCIL IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THEIR VARIANCE, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SAY THEY DO HAVE WORK TO DO BEFORE THEY COULD GET A C/O, SO WE HAVE TIME TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

>> OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE HAS ON THIS?

>> I THINK YOU ALREADY ASKED IT. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY. THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE APPROVE THE AGE, ALTHOUGH IT'S OUTSIDE THE NORMAL, AND THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE OWNER REQUIREMENT, THE HOMESTEAD.

>> I THINK TO CLARIFY IT, IT WILL BE A SIMPLE MOTION TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE BOARD. THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ALL

INCLINED TO DO. >> AND IF WE DO THAT, CAN YOUR DEPARTMENT COMMIT TO HELPING MR. ALVAREZ WITH THE HOMESTEAD? I THINK IT IS JUST A MATTER OF FILING THE PAPERWORK AND WAITING

ON TITLE. >> WE CAN DEFINITELY CALL THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT AND COMMUNICATE WHAT IS NECESSARY, SO THEY COULD THEN HELP ON THEIR END AS WELL.

>> WILL AND WE WILL HOLD OFF ON ANY SORT OF ENFORCEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHILE THIS PROCESS WORKS OUT. SO THIS GENTLEMAN CAN HAVE HIS MOBILE HOME PART AND IT WILL BECOME THE

HOMESTEAD. >> HE'S GOT THE OTHER WORK, LIKE THE PLUMBING OR WHATNOT, SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO

WORK THROUGH THAT AS WELL. >> OKAY.

>> QUESTIONS? >> I DO. I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'RE PUTTING FORTH TODAY. WHAT WOULD BE THE REPERCUSSIONS IF WE DENY

IT? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP THEN? >> IF THE VARIANCE TO THE AGE OF THE HOME IS DENIED, THEN THEY WOULD BASICALLY BECOME THE MUNICIPAL COURT CASE, WHERE THEY WOULD FILE CHARGES TO HAVE THE

HOME REMOVED. >> SEEMS TO ME THIS IS THE SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO GET THE PAPERWORK TAKEN CARE OF. IF WE COULD COMMIT TO WHAT WILL MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. I AGREE.

>> YEAH. >> I LOVE IT WHEN COMMON SENSE.

>> ANOTHER COMMON SENSE APPROACH, YES.

>> THE HEART OF THE AREA IS REALLY THE AGE OF THE HOME OF THE COUNCILS IF THEY ARE OKAY WITH THAT.

>> YES, YOU MADE A COMMENT IT IS REALLY IN GOOD SHAPE?

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>> YEAH. >> THAT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION, YEAH. OKAY. GIVEN IF THERE IS NO MORE QUESTIONS, ANY

MOTIONS IN RESPECT TO ITEM E3? >> MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E3.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> OKAY.

>> SO MOTION TO A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM E3, WHICH WOULD BE TO UPHOLD THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY TO -- LET ME MAKE SURE I WORD THIS CORRECTLY, WHERE IT WAS AWARDED PREVIOUSLY TO YOU. THAT IS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE TO SECTION 21-126, BUT DENY THE VARIANCE TO

SECTION 21-132. >> OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO THAT EFFECT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IS THAT ACCOMPLISHING EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT?

>> I THINK THAT WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE WANT. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO MAKE WITH THAT COMMITMENT THAT WE WILL HOLD MR. ALVAREZ WORK THROUGH THE PAPERWORK AND NOT DO ANY ENFORCEMENT ACTION OR ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. I THINK IT IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. MR. ALVAREZ, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU AND WE'LL GET YOU IN

GOOD SHAPE. >> I DO WANT TO ADD ONE THING.

BECAUSE WE, AS VETERANS, WE ALWAYS HEAR THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR -- YOU ALL ARE THANKING ME AND HELPING ME. AND THAT MANNER IS A GOOD THING. THANK YOU.

>> YOU BET. >> ONCE YOU GET THE YOUNGER

VETERANS. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU, MR. ALVAREZ.

[4. Consider a variance to Section 21-210(d), Residential Fences and Walls...]

>> ALL RIGHT. THEN LET'S JUMP TO, WHERE ARE WE? ITEM E4.

>> ITEM E4 IS A RESOLUTION CONSIDERING THE VARIANCE TO SECTION 21-210D, RESIDENTIAL FENCES AND WALLS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 902 JOPLIN STREET.

>> SO THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, 21-210 SAYS FENCES APPLIED OF PLYWOOD ARE PROHIBITED. THIS HAS LONG BEEN IN OUR CODE, OUR 1992 CODE, AND WAS CARRIED FORWARD IN THE UDO.

THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY FEW CODES THAT THE CITY OF VICTORIA HAS WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH ESTHETICS. I THINK THE BASIS OF THIS CODE IS THAT STEEL METAL FENCES ARE NOT ATTRACTIVE.

THAT'S WHY THIS CODE WAS IN OUR 1992 AND CARRIED FORWARD IN OUR UDO. THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED OR DENIED THIS VARIANCE. THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHO CALLED OUR OFFICE AND CANNOT BE HERE TONIGHT, AS SHE IS IN THE HOSPITAL, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER DID APPEAL THAT DENIAL TO COUNCIL. SO THIS IS THE FENCE IN QUESTION. IT IS SET BACK BEHIND THE ESTABLISHED BUILDING LINE.

IT'S MADE OF OUR PANELS.

THAT PHOTO LOOKS A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE SCREENS. THE PREVIOUS PHOTO IS VERY DARK ON THE BIG SCREEN, SO I APOLOGIZE.

I HOPE SOME OF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE IT ON YOUR MONITORS, WHERE IT WILL PROVIDE ON THIS MONITOR, WHERE IT DOES PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THE PREVIOUS PICTURES.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ABOUT FENCE CONSTRUCTION. OUR INSPECTORS DID INSPECT THE FENCE. THEY ACTUALLY ARE THE ONES THAT RED TAGGED IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET CODE. BUT IT IS STANDARD FENCE CONSTRUCTION.

>> SO WOULD THIS TYPE OF FENCE BE ALLOWED FOR THE COMMERCIAL

FENCE VERSES RESIDENTIAL? >> NO, WE HAVE JUST THE STANDARD COMPLETE PROHIBITION ON METAL FENCES. MAINLY BECAUSE OF THIS CORRUGATED SHEETS. BUT NOT ALL METAL FENCES ARE BUILT THE SAME.

>> THERE WERE SOME STATEMENTS IN PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THERE WAS MAYBE SOME SAFETY ISSUES. DID YOU FIND ANY OF THAT?

>> NO, OUR INSPECTOR DID REVIEW IT. FENCES ARE NOT BUILT TO ANY SORT OF WIND RATING, METAL FENCES. WE HAVE A LOT OF ITEMS

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>> BUT YOU CAN DOWN THE TRAMPOLINE DURING HURRICANES,

CORRECT? >> YES, THE AWNINGS AND THE CARPORTS, NOT AS MUCH. THEY'RE TIED DOWN ALREADY.

>> THE FENCES WILL TEND TO -- >> AS I UNDERSTAND THE CODE, IT SPEAKS AT TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS TO WHAT SPEAKS TO CORRUGATED, WHICH I THINK OF AS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A WAFFLE. THEN IT SPEAKS ALSO TO METAL PANELS SEPARATELY, CORRECT? THIS WOULD BE THE LADDER? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> WAS THIS MATERIAL SECONDHAND MATERIAL? LIKE IT CAME OFF THE OTHER BUILDING OR IT CAME OFF THE OTHER FENCE?

>> I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I WOULD ASSUME

NOT. IT DOES MATCH THE HOUSE. >> IT WASN'T NEW MATERIAL? IT WAS SCRAP MATERIAL TURNED INTO A FENCE.

>> I DO NOT KNOW IF IT WAS NEW OR SCRAPPED. BUT CONSIDERING HOW MUCH IT MATCHES THE HOUSE, I WOULD ASSUME IT WAS NOT SCRATCHED.

>> YES. THOSE RULES ARE PRETTY MUCH FOR ESTHETICS AS WE DISLIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE DO THINGS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL. BUT FENCES DON'T HAVE PERMITS. SOMETIMES WE CHASE FENCE VIOLATIONS BECAUSE NO PERMITS ARE REQUIRED. IF PEOPLE CALL, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT THE LOCATION AND THE HEIGHT AND VERY RARELY THE MATERIAL.

>> I DID NOT SEE THE MEANING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WHAT WAS THE ARTICULATED REASON FOR THE DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE AT

THAT MEETING? >> WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT, AS WELL AS DOGS, A LOT OF ANIMAL CONCERNS.

>> THE NOISE? >> YES.

>> PLUS WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT. >> UNSECURED METAL.

>> OKAY, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS. IF THERE IS NO MORE QUESTION, LET'S GET A MOTION AND SECOND AT SOME SORT, AND WE CAN DISCUSS

FROM THERE. >> SINCE THIS IS AN APPEAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO HAS ACTUALLY MADE A DECISION TO DENY THE VARIANCE, THE MOTION WILL EITHER NEED TO BE TO UPHOLD THAT DECISION, OVERTURN THAT DECISION, OR YOU DO HAVE THE OPTION TO TABLE IT FOR A FUTURE MEETING.

>> I'M CONFUSED. ANY MOTION? >> I MOVE WE DENY THE VARIANCE.

>> WHICH IS UPHOLDING THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING.

>> A MOTION TO UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> THANK YOU. >> SECOND TO UPHOLD IT.

>> OKAY. A MOTION AND A SECOND TO UPHOLD IT. ALL RIGHT,

DISCUSSION? >> ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY, IF

ANOTHER QUESTION -- >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. CAN YOU

MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE? >> YES. IF WE UPHOLD THE DECISION TO DENY THE VARIANCE, THAT MEANS THIS FENCE HAS TO

COME DOWN? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY.

>> BACKGROUND INFORMATION INDICATES THE OWNERS HIRED A CONTRACTOR. WHAT EXPENSE HAVE THESE OWNERS INCURRED?

>> I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

>> BUT THE FENCE WAS INITIALLY BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT.

>> WE DON'T REQUIRE PERMITS FOR ANY FENCES. THEY JUST HAVE TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND THE ORDINANCE.

>> OKAY. >> THIS IS THE RUB FOR ME THAT I THINK THE CODE IS PRETTY CLEAR AS I SAID, IT WILL TALK ABOUT THE CORRUGATED VERSES THE METAL SHEETS. I GET THAT PERHAPS THE INTENT OF THE CODE WAS BASED ON ESTHETICS, BUT IT'S HARD TO GATHER INTENT FROM THE LANGUAGE THAT I READ AND THE CODE ITSELF ON THESE SPECIFIC PROVISIONS. BASICALLY AS I READ THE CODE, IT SAYS METAL FENCING WITH METAL PANELS IS PROHIBITED. IF WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO THAT GOING FORWARD FOR THIS TYPE OF FENCE, MAYBE IT IS MORE ESTHETIC THAN WHAT YOU THINK OF AS KIND OF THE TIN CORRUGATED METAL YOU WOULD USE FOR AN OUTBUILDING OR

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>> YOU COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER. I AGREE.

>> AGREE. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION BEFORE --

>> YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT BECAUSE I MESSED THIS UP BEFORE, THE MOTION IS TO UPHOLD THE DENIAL OF THE

VARIANCE, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

>> UPHOLD THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DENY THE

VARIANCE. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT A

MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE.

[5. Appoint or Reappoint Members to the Planning Commission. April Hilbric...]

>> ANY OPPOSED? >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, MS. FULGHAM. MOVING ON THEM TO ITEM E5.

>> ITEM E5 IS A RESOLUTION APPOINTING OR REAPPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU TONIGHT WILL REAPPOINT MEMBERS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. OKAY. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ORGANIZED TO EXERCISE CONTROL OVER THE PLANNING AND SUBDIVISION OF LAND. REGULATING THE PLOTTING AND SUBDIVISION LAND WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY, EXTENDING THE 3½ MILES INTO THE ETJ AND THE ADOPTION OF THE INTERLOCAL -- BY ADOPTION OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH VICTORIA COUNTY.

THE COMMISSION DOES MEET ONCE A MONTH TO REVIEW SUBMITTED PLATS AND VARIANCE REQUESTS, JUST AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT VARIANCES JUST RECENTLY. AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S DUTY IS TO APPROVE ANY PLATS THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS DETAILED IN THE CITY CODE. THE COMMISSION MAY NOT APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE BASED ON ITS OWN DISCRETION. MUST BE APPROVED CONSIDERING THE CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THE CITY AS WELL. SO THE COMPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD IS THAT THERE ARE NINE MEMBERS THAT SERVE THREE-YEAR STAGGERED TERMS. YOU MAY NOT SERVE MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. AND THE APPOINTEES THAT FILL A VACANCY MAY SERVE TWO FULL TERMS IF THE APPOINTMENT HAD LESS THAN 18 MONTHS. THAT WILL COUNT AS THEIR FIRST TERM. SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE REBECCA SPEARS, DAVID BROWN, DR. DEREK HUNT, VICTOR MENDOZA, AND BRADEN ROBINSON SERVING ON THE BOARD. WE HAVE ONE VACANCY DUE TO CYNTHIA DALY RESIGNING FROM THE BOARD. MAYBE A MONTH AGO. AT THAT TIME, STAFF DECIDED TO HOLD THE APPOINTMENT UNTIL FIRST OF ALL WE COULD GET SOME ADDITIONAL APPLICATION, AND SECOND OF ALL, WE COULD HAVE THE TIME TO JUST PRESENT THIS TO YOU, WHERE SOMEBODY WOULDN'T BE APPOINTED FOR JUST A MONTH OR TWO OR RATHER A FULL TERM. SO WE HAVE THREE APPOINTMENTS FOR FULL TERMS EXTENDING OR ENDING IN AUGUST OF 2028 AVAILABLE. THERE WERE SEVERAL APPLICATIONS. WE DID ADVERTISE FOR APPLICATION, WHERE WE DID RECEIVE SEVERAL. SO WE HAVE SEVEN APPLICATIONS THAT ARE NEW THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET FROM THE INDIVIDUALS LISTED THERE. THEN WE WOULD HAVE DAVID BROWN WHO IS CURRENTLY SERVING AND IS ELIGIBLE TO BE REAPPOINTED. DR. DEREK HUNT SERVED ON THE BOARD AS WELL. BUT DUE TO TERM LIMITS BECAUSE REMEMBER, THIS ONE IS THE TWO, THREE-YEAR TERMS. HE'S TERMED OUT. WITH MS. DALY REMAINING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO LEAVE THE LIST OF THE APPLICANTS. I DID LEAVE BALLOTS FOR YOU TO DECIDE ON THE SPOTS. BUT FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF YOU ALL WANTED TO CONSIDER THE REAPPOINTMENT OF MR. BROWN. JUST BY AN ORAL VOTE OR DO YOU WANT TO --

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>> I'M SORRY? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, CAN WE WRITE HIS NAME IN THERE IF WE NEED TO?

>> IF YOU WANT TO CHOOSE THEM ALL AT ONE TIME, YOU COULD.

>> RATHER THAN DO IT SEPARATE. >> YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO ADD HIS NAME AT THE BOTTOM, AND THEN JUST UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE BALLOT DOES INCLUDE YOUR NAME BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE BY A SECRET BALLOT, AND THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE IN MY OFFICE FOR REVIEW AT ANY TIME, IF ANYONE CHOOSES TO DO SO. SO IF YOU WANTED TO VOTE FOR MR. BROWN, SINCE HE'S NOT LISTED, YOU CAN ADD HIS NAME TO THE BOTTOM. THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO CIRCLE, IF YOU ADD HIM IN, YOU WILL NEED TO CIRCLE IT IN TWO OTHER NAMES OR IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO ADD HIM IN, YOU CAN CHOOSE THREE OTHER PEOPLE YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT TO THIS BOARD. JUST REMEMBER WE ONLY HAVE SIX PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT, SO WE COULD GET STUCK IN A SITUATION, WHERE WE TIE, AND THAT IS OKAY. WE CAN EITHER VOTE AGAIN. IF THE COUNCIL SO CHOOSES, WE COULD ACTUALLY MOVE THIS OR TABLE IT TO ANOTHER AGENDA. BUT AS LONG AS THE PERSON RECEIVES THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTES, WHICH IS FOUR STILL, THEN THEY COULD BE PUT ON THE COMMISSION.

>> I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. AM I CIRCLING TWO NAMES?

>> IF YOU ARE WANTING TO INCLUDE MR. BROWN IN YOUR VOTE, THEN YOU CAN SIMPLY WRITE HIS NAME AT THE BOTTOM, THEN YOU CAN CIRCLE TWO OTHER NAMES OR YOU COULD CIRCLE THREE OTHER NAMES. IT'S

COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. >> BUT MY TOTAL WILL END UP

BEING THREE? >> YES, SIR.

>> YOU CAN WRITE DAVID'S NAME AND NOT CIRCLE IT.

>> OKAY.

IT WILL BE JUST A MOMENT WHILE WE TABULATE.

>> REMEMBER THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE MAJORITY VOTES. NOT JUST RANK.

>> WOW, WE DID IT THIS ALL IN ONE VOTE. SO WE HAVE THREE WINNERS THAT DID RECEIVE ACTUALLY AT LEAST FOUR VOTES. TO THE RESOLUTION, WHEN WE ADD THE NAMES OF ADAM DOUGHERTY, JOHN HYACK, AND THE REAPINTMENT OF MR. BROWN, DAVID BROWN.

APPLAUSE ]

>> SO DO WE NEED A MOTION OF VOTE TO ADD THOSE NAMES?

>> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY.

SO WITH THAT THEN, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION TO ADD THOSE THREE NAMES TO THE RESOLUTION?

>> MOTION TO ADD THE THREE NAMES.

>> GREAT. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

[6. Appoint/Reappoint members to the Food Establishment Appeals Board. Apr...]

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? VERY GOOD. WE

WILL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM E6. >> ITEM E6 IS A RESOLUTION OR REAPPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT APPEALS BOARD.

>> OKAY, I'M SORRY. THAT WAS MY FAULT WITH THE PRESENTATION THERE. SO THIS ONE WE HAVE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT FOR THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT APPEALS BOARD. NOW THIS BOARD, THE APPLICANTS GET APPOINTED EVERY TWO YEARS. SO AGAIN, THE RESOLUTION APPOINTS OR REAPPOINTS MEMBERS TO THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT APPEALS BOARD. THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD IS TO HEAR APPEALS OF DENIAL, SUSPENSION, OF A FOOD ESTABLISHED PERMIT WITHIN 20 DAYS OF THE PERMIT HOLDER FILING A REQUEST FOR THE APPEAL WITH THE VICTORIA COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT. BOARD MEMBERS DO SERVE TWO YEARS. THERE'S NO TERM LIMITS. THIS BOARD IS KIND OF LIKE JULIE'S BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS, BUT IT'S VERY SPECIFIC IN THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARDS. SO THE WAY THE CODE READS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER SHALL BE AN EPIDEMIOLOGIST UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. ONE MEMBER SHALL BE ENGAGED IN FOOD SERVICE, I.E. A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT OWNER OR MANAGER. ONE MEMBER, OR AT LEAST ONE MEMBER SHALL BE A CONSUMER WHO HAS NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT AND AT LEAST ONE MEMBER SHALL BE ACTIVELY

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THE OTHER APPLICANTS, THE OTHER FOUR PLACES ONLY HAD THE ONE APPLICANT, WHICH IS THE CURRENT BOARD MEMBER. SO AGAIN, THE APPLICANT, THE BALLOTS IF YOU WILL PLEASE CIRCLE THE NAME OF THE ONE PERSON YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT AND AGAIN, THE BALLOTS WILL BE ON FILE TO INCLUDE YOUR NAME.

>> YOU'RE QUICK AROUND THE CORNER THERE.

>> THEY'VE ALREADY GOT THE RESULTS AS THEY HAVE PICKED THEM UP.

OKAY, WITH THE VOTE OF 5 TO 1, THE NAME OF LEWIS WILL BE INCLUDED ON THAT RESOLUTION TO APPOINT AS THE CONSUMER ON THAT

PARTICULAR BOARD. >> DO I HAVE A MOTION TO INSERT HIS NAME IN THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION?

>> SO MOVED. >> GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? >> AYE.

[1. Victoria County Health Assessment Report. Zachary Wendel, Community De...]

>> ANY OPPOSED? VERY GOOD. WE'LL THEN JUMP TO SECTION F, CITY

MANAGER'S REPORTS. >> WE HAVE ONE CITY MANAGER REPORT THIS EVENING. PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE BUDGET AFTER THE CITY MANAGER REPORT. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ZACH TO TAKE ON THIS ITEM.

>> OKAY. THIS IS AN ITEM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON IT.

THE PROGRAM PARTNERED WITH THE CITY THAT VICTORIA COUNTY, PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UNITED WAY OF THE CROSSROADS CITIZEN MEDICAL CENTER AND THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS TO PERFORM AN UPDATED COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENT HERE IN VICTORIA.

THIS WAS DONE THROUGH THE TEXAS A&M SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH. THE LAST COMMUNITY HEALTH ASSESSMENT WAS THEN IN 2014. WE WERE WAY OVERDUE. THE UPDATED ASSESSMENT, IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO USE THIS AS A PART OF THE PLANNING FOR THE PLAN AND HELP THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS ADDRESS THE NEEDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY APPLYING FOR GRANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WITH ME TONIGHT, I HAVE LISA FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO BE OUR EXPERTISE.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. LIKE ZACH SAID, I'M LISA, I'M A COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKER OFF THE VICTORIA COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I WORK UNDER THE BE WELL VICTORIA GRANT, WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE HAWK FOUNDATION AS A PRIVATE GRANT. WITH THAT, A LITTLE KIND OF BACKGROUND OF WHAT WE DO.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT UNDER BE WELL VICTORIA. AND KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO THERE IS JUST VERY DIFFERENT EVERY DAY. WE HAVE CLIENTS COME IN WHO ARE NEEDING HELP FINDING FOOD, HOUSING, UTILITY ASSISTANCE. SOMETIMES THEY JUST NEED HELP. WE HAVE COMMUNITY COMPUTERS. THEY NEED HELP LOGGING ONTO THE E-MAILS TO SEND SOMETHING TO AN EMPLOYER TO GET A JOB. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE GET THEIR FOOD HANDLERS LICENSE, DRIVER'S LICENSE. IDENTIFICATION, BIRTH CERTIFICATES. THE LADIES DOWN JUST RIGHT HERE, VERY FAMILIAR WITH US AT THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE OFFICE THAT WE GET TO SEE THEM EVERY DAY. AND SO WITH THAT, WHERE SHE BEEN ABLE TO HELP A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY, SO THIS DATA WILL KIND OF REFLECT KIND OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN AS COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS. AND WHAT KIND OF WILL BE USEFUL IN ORDER TO SUSTAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING AS COMMUNITY HEALTH WORKERS, CASE MANAGERS, FOR ALL THE NON-PROFITS, FOR PROFITS, THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY ARE ALSO DOING VERY SIMILAR WORK. AND SO WITH THAT, I GUESS I WILL START. I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY FAST BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE THINGS TO DO AFTER THIS.

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>> IT IS A DETAILED REPORT. >> IT IS VERY DETAILED. SO ZACH DID SAY HE ATTACHED THE ACTUAL REPORT, WHICH IS OVER 60 PAGES, BUT WE WILL NOT READ EVERY WORD OF THAT. I DID TRY TO -- AM I SUPPOSE TO CLICK? OKAY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE ALL CLICKING THIS WHOLE TIME. OKAY. GREAT, I CAN READ THIS. OKAY, SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I WILL TRY TO BE SUPER QUICK. LIKE ZACH SAID, IT WAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TEXAS A&M SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH. WE HAD A GREAT TEAM FROM TEXAS A&M COME. ZACH AND CELESTE FROM THE CITY OF VICTORIA WERE HUGE SUPPORTERS OF THIS. NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY, BUT WITH A LOT OF THEIR TIME. THE CITIZENS MEDICAL CENTER, UNITED WAY, VICTORIA COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, METHODIST CHURCH, BLOOMINGTON, MEALS ON WHEELS, AND THEN WE HAD THE BIG SPONSORS WHO WERE ABLE TO FUND THIS AND GET THIS DONE, THE VICTORIA COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UNITED WAY, CITIZENS MEDICAL CENTER, AND DETOUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS. SORRY, I'M OUT OF BREATH. OKAY, JUST THE BIG MAIN GOALS LIKE WE SAID, THE LAST ONE WAS DONE IN 2014, SO WE WERE WAY OVERDUE. I THINK MOST COMMUNITIES DO THESE EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. SO THE MAIN BIG GOALS. WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND OUR RESIDENT'S HEALTH, STATUS, NEEDS, AND CONCERNS. EXAMINE KEY HEALTH INDICATORS, CHRONIC CONDITIONS, RISK FACTORS, ACCESS TO CARE, AND SOCIAL DETERMINATION OF HEALTH THROUGH COMMUNITY SURVEYS, DISCUSSION GROUPS, AND SECONDARY DATA. SO RIGHT HERE YOU CAN SEE THE PROCESS THAT WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH. WE HAD AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH KIND OF BECAME THE FUNDERS. WENT THROUGH THE SURVEY. THEY WERE A PART OF EVERY PROCESS OF GETTING THIS SURVEY DONE THROUGH THE DATA COLLECTION. WE DID OUR SURVEY APPROVAL AND COMMUNITY DISCUSSION GROUPS. ON THE BACK END, TEXAS A&M DID THEIR SECONDARY DATA, WHICH INCLUDES CDC CENSUS, DHHS, CITY OF VICTORIA, COUNTY HEALTH RANKINGS, ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND THEN THEIR TEAM DID ALL THE DATA ANALYSIS. AND WHAT THEY SENT IS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE, WHICH IS WHAT I TOLD YOU IS A LOT OF WORDS. BUT THE FULL 60 PLUS PAGE ASSESSMENT RESULTS, WHICH WILL BE ON OUR VICTORIA COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT WEBSITE. SO SOCIAL DETERMINATION OF HEALTH. SORRY, I WROTE NOTES TO GO FASTER. IT'S NOT WORKING.

OKAY. ACCORDING TO THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION. THEY ARE CONDITIONS IN THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE BORN, LIVE, WORK, PLAY, WORSHIP, AND AGE THAT AFFECT HEALTH, HEALTH FUNCTIONING, QUALITY OF LIFE, AND HAVE SIGNIFICANT OUTCOME ON HEALTH. SO ALL THAT TO SAY THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE ACTUAL DIAGNOSED DISEASES. IT'S EVERYTHING THAT IS KIND OF LIKE THEY SAID, WHERE YOU LIVE, WORK, PRAY, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT AFFECT YOUR HEALTH. SO LIKE WE SAID ALL THE DATA, ALL THE SECONDARY DATA, THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT YOU HAVE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS OVER 200 COMMUNITY RESIDENTS PARTICIPATE IN THOSE AND WE WOULD HAVE 12 WITHIN THE COMMUNITY HERE IN VICTORIA COUNTY. AND THEN A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE DATA. SO WE HAD 605 VALID HOUSEHOLD SURVEYS. WITH THAT, THEY JUST MEAN THAT THEIR IP ADDRESSES HAD TO BE A VICTORIA COUNTY ADDRESS. OVER 200 INDIVIDUALS PARTICIPATED ACROSS 12 DISCUSSION GROUPS, WHERE THEY WERE NON-PROFIT LEADERS, CIVIC LEADERS, WE HAD SPANISH-SPEAKING COMMUNITIES. WE HAD COMMUNITIES IN BLOOMINGTON, INES, ALL OVER. THE BIGGEST RESPONDENT AGE GROUP WAS THE AGES 35 TO 44. WITHIN THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS, ABOUT 84% OF THOSE WHO DID THE SURVEY WERE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATES OR HIGHER.

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THESE PARTICIPANTS WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE FEMALE, WHICH IS 78% WHITE, IDENTIFYING 71%. THEY CLASSIFIED AS OVERWEIGHT OR OBESE. THE HISPANIC POPULATION WAS 41%, AND HAVE AN ANNUAL INCOME BELOW 35%. SO IF YOU PUT ALL THE DATA TOGETHER, YOU COULD KIND OF TELL WHERE AND WHY THAT IS TRUE. ANOTHER BIG ONE WAS RESPONDENTS THAT ALL SAY THEY HAVE CHALLENGES OF GETTING IN PHYSICAL ACTIVITY. IT'S BECAUSE OF THEIR PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, REGARDING SAFETY AND CRIME, WHICH INFLUENCED PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AND ENGAGEMENT IN NEIGHBORHOODS. SO NEXT THING THAT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT IS ALCOHOL USE AND MOTOR VEHICLE DEATHS. THIS TABLE DOWN HERE WILL SHOW YOU THAT VICTORIA COUNTY RANKS AMONG TEXAS AND UNITED STATES THE SAME PERCENT OF PEOPLE WHO EXCESSIVELY DRINK. ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE A LOT MORE ALCOHOL IMPAIRED MOTOR VEHICLE DEATHS THAN TEXAS STANDARD AND THE UNITED STATES STANDARD. EXCESSIVE DRINKING AND THE PAST 30 DAYS WILL ALIGN WITH RATES AT 18%, BUT IT IS OVER WHAT THE HEALTHY 2030 TARGET WOULD BE. WE DO HAVE 30% OF MOTOR VEHICLE CRASHES ARE HIGHER THAN I SAID THE AVERAGE IN TEXAS AND THE UNITED STATES. THE OVERALL MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH DEATH RATE FOR TEXAS IS 13 PER 100,000. AND 12 FOR 100,000 FOR U.S., FOR THE U.S. SO VICTORIA COUNTY RATES, 18%, WHICH IS 1.5 TIMES HIGHER THAN THE AVERAGE. A BIG ONE THAT WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN OUR COMMUNITY DISCUSSION GROUPS AND JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT POPPED UP WHEN PEOPLE WERE TAKING THE SURVEY WAS HEALTH CARE. WE ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE.

IF PEOPLE HAD HEALTH INSURANCE, WHAT DO THEY DO IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE? AND A LOT OF THE ANSWERS WERE KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE, BUT THEY WEREN'T SEEKING CARE. SOMETHING THAT WE NOTED ALSO WAS THAT VICTORIA COUNTY IS DESIGNATED BY THE HEALTH RESOURCE AND ADMINISTRATION AS A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL SHORTAGE AREA. JUST MEANING THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH HEALTH PROFESSIONALS FOR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE IN OUR COUNTY COMPARED TO THE STATE AND NATIONAL AVERAGES. AND ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT WE SAW WAS

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THEY WERE NOT ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. THEY DID SAY THEY BELIEVE IT TO BE DIFFICULT TO USE. AND ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IN RELATION ALSO TO SOME OF THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WILL PUT IT THIS DATA AGAINST SOME THINGS WE HAVE OVER THERE AND VICTORIA COUNTY, THE BIRTHRATE STANDS AT PER A THOUSAND FEMALES. AGES 15 TO 19, SURPASSING BOTH THE STATE AVERAGE OF 24 AND THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 17 FOR VICTORIA COUNTY THAT WILL TRANSFER TO 3.7% OF FEMALES AGE 15 TO 19. AND ADDITIONAL QUESTION AND SOME DATA WE GOT BACK WAS THE RATE OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS.

WE SERVE THE COUNTY HEALTH RANKINGS THAT USE A NUMBER OF NEWLY DIAGNOSED CASES PER 100,000 POPULATION AND VICTORIA COUNTY, WE REPORTED 527 NEWLY DIAGNOSED CASES OF CHLAMYDIA PER YEAR PER 100,000 PEOPLE, WHICH IS A RATE HIGHER THAN 506 AND THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 495. ANOTHER TOPIC THAT WE COVERED WAS OPIOID AND OTHER DRUG USE. I HAVE THE NEXT ONE. WHEN BROKEN DOWN BY RACE AND ETHNIC GROUPS, HISPANIC OF ALL RACES, HISPANIC RESIDENTS HAD A DRUG OVERDOSE DEATH RATE OF 9 PER 100,000.

THEY HAD A SLIGHTLY HIGHER RATE OF 10 PER 100,000. THIS REPRESENTS AN 11% HIGHER OVERDOSE DEATH RATES AMONG

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BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS WILL BE ON OUR WEBSITE FROM HERE ON OUT.

THANK YOU. >> BEFORE YOU LEAVE, CAN YOU

JUST -- >> THAT'S OKAY.

>> CAN YOU RECITE THAT WEBSITE? WHEN YOU SAY THIS INFORMATION IS

AVAILABLE? >> OUR VICTORIA COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT. IT IS ON THE VICTORIA COUNTY WEBSITE. AND THEN ON DEPARTMENTS UNDER THE VICTORIA COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT PAGE. IT WILL BE ON THERE AS WELL.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ENTIRE REPORT?

>> THE ACTUAL OFFICIAL REPORT, YES.

>> AND IS THERE A PAPER COPY OF THAT?

>> WE HAVE PAPER COPIES IN OUR OFFICE, SO YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO GET A PAPER COPY. I'LL E-MAIL IT TO YOU AND HOWEVER MANY TIMES YOU NEED. AND WE PLAN TO, NOW THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE PLANS TO DO ABOUT ONE TO TWO BIG COMMUNITY DISCUSSIONS OF THE FINDINGS.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK?

>> YES. >> ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE.

WAS THE CONCERN TO DEAL WITH THE AFFORDABILITY OR WAS IT TO DEAL WITH ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION?

>> THE CONCERN WAS THE INSTABILITY OF THE TRANSPORTATION AS FAR AS CONSISTENT ROUTES, CONSISTENT AMOUNT OF BUSES THAT ARE BEING USED, AND THE TIMES BECAUSE THE TIMES, AS WE WERE TOLD OFTEN KEEP GETTING DWINDLED AND DWINDLED AND THEY USED TO GO OUTSIDE OF WORKING HOURS. THEY NOW GO SHORTER. THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN OF NOT USING IT.

>> OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE SALES TAX MEETINGS, SO I WANTED TO PULL THAT OUT OF THIS REPORT AND THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, I

APPRECIATE IT. >> ALL RIGHT --

>> MAYOR, UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A BREAK BEFORE THE WORK

SESSION OR GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. WHY DON'T WE TAKE A QUICK TEN-MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE JUMP

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[1. FY 2026 Proposed Budget and Tax Rate Work Session. Jesús A. Garza, Cit...]

>>> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE BACK, ADJOURNED AFTER A SHORT BREAK.

WE ARE NOW INTO OUR WORK SESSION. MR. GARZA?

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION IS GOING TO BE FOCUSED ON SOME TAX RATE OPTIONS BASED OFF THE DISCUSSION THAT OCCURRED AT OUR LAST MEETING. COME ON, JAMES.

ALL I ASK FOR IS THAT IT WORKS.

IT'S NOT.

JUST HAPPENS TO ME. YOU KNOW, I.T. DOES REPORT TO GILBERT NOW.

>> I GOT IT.

OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH SOME PROPOSED TAX RATES.

TAKE ONE OF THOSE PROPOSED TAX RATES AND WALK YOU THROUGH THE FUTURE IMPACT OF THAT SIMILAR TAX RATE, DECISION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND I'M GOING TO FINISH, I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO FINISH BY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON A REDEMPTION PROGRAM THAT I THINK COULD HELP PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION FOR FISCAL YEAR 27. SO THESE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT I'M GOING TO REALLY PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT. OF COURSE, THERE'S A PROPOSED VOTER TAX RATE, WHICH IS WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS A 2.4% INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE COMPARED TO THE EXISTING. ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THAT SPECTRUM IS THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, WHICH IS THE SLIGHT INCREASE OF .06% BECAUSE IT CAME IN AT A NEGATIVE. IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS, WE HAVE' MIDPOINT, WHICH WOULD BE A TAX RATE OR AN INCREASE OF BASICALLY 1% ABOVE THE EXISTING TAX RATE. THEN WE ADDED A 2.5% INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS CONSIDERING LOWERING THE CAP FROM 2.5% TO 3.5%, SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO PRESENT THAT AS AN OPTION FOR CONVERSATION SAKE. YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, THERE IS BASICALLY THE BUDGET IMPACT OF THAT PARTICULAR TAX RATE. OBVIOUSLY IF WE GO WITH THE PROPOSED TAX RATE, IT CHANGES NOTHING FROM THE PROPOSED BUDGET. IF WE GO TO THE NO NEW REVENUE, WE WOULD NEED TO INCREASE. SO ON AND SO FORTH TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE RANGE. I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THE MIDPOINT OPTION. AND SO REMINDER THIS MIDPOINT OPTION IS AN INCREASE OF 1% ON THE TAX RATE. THIS WOULD IMPACT OUR REVENUES BY $338,000. AND SO IN THIS TABLE, YOU'LL SEE HOW WE WOULD BALANCE THE BUDGET IN THIS SCENARIO. SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE SHOW $162,000 IN INCREASED SALES TAX AND AMBULANCE BILLING.

SO YOU MAY RECALL US MENTIONING DURING THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, EVEN THE MAYOR MENTIONED THE POINT DURING THAT SAME CONVERSATION THAT MAYBE AN OPTION IS TO NOT BE AS CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR SALES TAX PROJECTIONS. SO WE WOULD INCREASE THOSE PROJECTIONS BY $162,000. THAT WOULD LEAVE $131,000 LEFT TO BALANCE THAT DIFFERENCE. WE SHOW THAT COMING FROM THE MAINTENANCE AND BUDGETS OFFICE. I KNOW THEY LEWDED TO IT THAT THEY COULD COME IN THE FORM OF REVALUATING SOME OF THE PROPOSED NEW POSITIONS. I WANT TO OFFER TO YOU THAT LET'S FOCUS ON THE IMPACT, THEN ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO THEN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION ON WHERE THAT PARTICULAR REDUCTION WOULD COME FROM, RIGHT? TO AVOID COUNCIL BASICALLY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS. BASICALLY TELL ME HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH, AND I WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHERE THOSE CUTS MIGHT COME FROM. YOU SEE THIS WOULD BE A REDUCTION OF 1.3% COMPARED TO THE PROPOSED. SO LET'S TAKE THIS MIDPOINT

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AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS.

SO WE ARE ASSUMING FOR PURPOSES OF THIS EXERCISE THAT WE WILL SEE A 1% GROWTH. WHICH WE DO FULLY EXPECT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THEY WILL BE FLAT OR VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE INCREASES. WE ARE ASSUMING THE NEW IMPROVEMENT GROWTH WILL INCREASE BY 1%, VERY CONSERVATIVE IT, FOR PURPOSES OF THIS MODEL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE ASSUMING FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IT WILL BE A MIDPOINT DECISION ON THE TAX RATE. ON THE REVENUE SIDE, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE, WE ALSO ADDED AN INCREASE OF 1.5% ANNUALLY. AGAIN, JUST TO KIND OF MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ON WHERE WE THINK WE MIGHT BE FROM A VERY CONSERVATIVE PERSPECTIVE ON BOTH ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE AND THE REVENUE SIDE. AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE, WE WANTED TO BASICALLY ANSWER TWO QUESTIONS. HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE HAVE FOR THE PROGRAM? HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD WE HAVE FOR ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES? THE NEXT TWO SLIDES, WE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH HOW THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD DECISION TAX RATE WOULD IMPACT EACH OF THOSE TWO THINGS. NOW, AS PART OF THIS EXERCISE, WE ALSO ACCOUNTED FOR AN INCREASE IN JUST COST BASED OFF OF INFLATION. SO THE NUMBERS I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU ARE ACCOUNTING FOR AN INFLATION FACTOR TO BASICALLY KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. MINIMAL INCREASES IN OTHER UTILITIES, ETC. SLIDES ARE GOING TO START GETTING PRETTY BUSY, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE COULD. SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH IT. ON THE TOP RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WHEN WE HAVE A TABLE THAT ILLUSTRATES 2026, WHICH I JUST WALKED YOU THROUGH RIGHT, THAT THERE WOULD BE AN IMPACT OF $338,000 IF WE ADOPTED THAT MIDPOINT TAX RATE. THEN WE LAYER 2027. SO IN 2027, COUNCIL ALSO ADOPTED A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TAX RATE, RIGHT? YOU'LL SEE THAT IMPACT WOULD BE $640,000, RIGHT? THEN YOU START TO SEE THE ACCUMULATED TOTAL OF MONEY THAT WE WOULD BASICALLY LOSE IN COMPARISON TO THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. AND SO ONCE WE APPLY ALL OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT I WENT OVER, WE WOULD, IN COMPARISON TO THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE IN 2027, HAVE $350,000 LESS FOR THE PAY PROGRAM. AT THAT POINT, IT WOULDN'T IMPACT THE ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES FOR 2027 BECAUSE WE ARE BUDGETING VERY CONSERVATIVELY IN 2026. WE FULLY EXPECT GOING INTO 2027, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE CUSHION WE NEED IN ORDER TO FUND THE 2027 ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES. ON THE LEFT IS JUST A GRAPH THAT ILLUSTRATES SORT OF THE SAME STORY. OOPS, SORRY. LET ME GO BACK. OF COURSE, IF WE KEEP THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TAX RATE, IT IS JUST A DIFFERENT ILLUSTRATION IN SHOWING YOU WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE BETWEEN THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE AND THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD OPTION. AND I HAVE A SUMMARY SLIDE IN THE END THAT WILL MAKE IT CLEANER, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS THE DETAILS. SO EACH OF THESE SLIDES JUST BASICALLY ADDS ROOM AND ADDS NEW TOTALS ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IF IN 2028, THE SAME DECISION IS MADE TO DO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD BETWEEN THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE AND THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, HOW THAT'S ANOTHER $928,000 LESS IN REVENUE WE WOULD RECEIVE AT THAT TIME FRAME. SO AFTER THREE YEARS, WE WOULD ALREADY BE APPROACHING $2 MILLION LESS IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. YOU'LL SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS THE PAY PROGRAM. AFTER THREE YEARS, WE WOULD HAVE $700,000 LESS TO GO TOWARDS THE PAY PROGRAM. NOW YOU'LL START TO SEE THE IMPACT ON THE ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES, AND WE WOULD HAVE $250,000 LESS. AND THIS JUST KEEPS GOING. SO AFTER FOUR YEARS OF TAKING THE SAME TAX RATE DECISION, YOU CAN START TO SEE THAT TOTAL STARTS TO ADD UP. THE IMPACT ON THE PAY PROGRAM WILL START TO INCREASE AS WELL. SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO BY THE TIME YOU WOULD GET TO THE FIVE-YEAR MARK, YOU'LL SEE THAT IF FOR FIVE YEARS STRAIGHT, COUNCIL DECIDED TO DO A TAX RATE THAT FALLS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, WE WOULD HAVE $5 MILLION LESS IN

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THEN OBVIOUSLY IN BETWEEN, IT KIND OF FALLS INTO PLAY ACCORDINGLY. I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN MY ASSESSMENT, AND I KNOW I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE. BUT IN MY ASSESSMENT OF HOW COUNCILS IN THE PAST MADE DECISIONS ON TAX RATE WAS VERY ONE MOMENT AND A TIMED SNAPSHOT BECAUSE IT IS EASY TO JUST ADDRESS IT IN A ONE-TIME SNAPSHOT, RIGHT? I MEAN, IF COUNCIL SAYS HEY, THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO IMPACT REVENUES BY $200,000. JUST CUT $200,000. THAT'S EASY, RIGHT? BUT WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT COMPOUNDING AFFECT AND THE IMPACT THAT THE TAX RATE DECISION HAS IN YEARS TO COME.

SO MY GOAL IS TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION FOR YOU TO MAKE AS INFORMED OF A DECISION AS POSSIBLE, AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GETTING OR WHAT YOU'RE NOT GETTING BY YOUR DECISIONS ON THE TAX RATE.

SO ONE THICK I THINK COULD HELP THE DISCUSSION ON HOW YOU DECIDE OR WHAT YOU DECIDE ON THE TAX RATE THIS YEAR. AND IT'S BASICALLY UPON REDEMPTION OF RECOMMENDATION. AND SO I KNOW THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LOFFGREN BROUGHT UP A CONCERN ABOUT NOT LIKING THE FACT WE WEREN'T DOING UPON THE REDEMPTION PROGRAM. COUNCILMAN GARZA BROUGHT UP, WHAT IF WE JUST PUT A HALT ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS? WHAT IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE? SO OUT OF SOME OF THE DISCUSSION FROM GILBERT -- SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TO DO A REDEMPTION PROGRAM OF $600,000 AND TAPPING INTO THE STABILIZATION FUND THAT COUNCIL SET UP. CURRENTLY HAS ABOUT $1.6 MILLION IN IT. TAKING THAT $600,000 TO REDEEM SOME BONDS. WHAT THAT DOES IS IN FISCAL YEAR 27, IT WOULD DROP THE INS RATE BY A CENT. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS IN FISCAL YEAR 27, WE HAVE ANOTHER FLAT YEAR, AND WE ARE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO, NOT HAVE TO, BUT WHERE WE WANT TO CONSIDER INCREASING THE MNO SIDE OF THE TAX RATE TO GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE. OR THE FACT THAT ONE CENT IS COMING OFF OF THE INS RATE, RIGHT, GIVES FLEXIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE THE MNO WITHOUT INCREASING THE TOTAL TAX RATE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CENT COMING OFF THE INS SITE. AND SO WE ARE BASICALLY BUYING DOWN DEBT. BUT TO SOME EXTENT, THE TAX RATE IN FISCAL YEAR 27. SO WE THINK THAT COULD HELP. SO AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO PURSUE THIS, UTILIZING $600,000 FROM THE STABILIZATION FUND, WHICH, OF COURSE, WAS SET UP BY COUNCIL A FEW YEARS AGO TO BE UTILIZED FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE YOU DEEM IT APPROPRIATE. AND SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE. TO JUST REITERATE THAT WHAT IS IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY FOR THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. OBVIOUSLY MAXIMIZES REVENUE FOR NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT PHILOSOPHY MAXIMIZES REVENUE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS IF THAT BECOMES A CONSISTENT DECISION. OBVIOUSLY DECISIONS CAN FLUCTUATE. THEY WON'T ALL BE THE SAME YEAR-OVER-YEAR. ONE YEAR IT COULD BE VOTER TAX RATE AND MIDPOINT. ONE YEAR IT COULD BE 2.5%. ONE YEAR IT COULD BE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE, RIGHT? THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY CHANGE HOW WELL THESE NUMBERS PLAY OUT OVER THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. BUT ULTIMATELY AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL HAVE AS

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>> QUESTIONS FOR MR. GARZA? >> NO. I THINK CERTAINLY THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE TASK THAT WE ASK OF YOU IN TERMS OF JUST WAITING TO SEE WHAT THAT VARIOUS LEVELS OF THE TAX RATE WOULD DO IN TERMS OF DOWN THE ROAD SOMEWHERE WITH THAT CUMULATIVE FACTOR WOULD BE. AND SO WITH IT, THEN, I THINK WE ALL NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE, WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH THE TAX RATE THIS YEAR ARMED WITH THIS INFORMATION. TO ME, THIS IS MUCH CLEARER THAN KIND OF WHAT I WAS SPECULATING ON WHAT THAT FUTURE IMPACT WOULD BE. SO I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL. MORE INFORMATION IS ALWAYS LESS WHEN MAKING DECISIONS. COMMENTS, QUESTIONS?

>> I'M FOR THE PROPOSED GREAT AND THE BOND REDEMPTION THING IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT GIVES US FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT'S THE RATES TOGETHER, YOUR TOTAL TAX RATE. WE WOULD HAVE GREAT FLEXIBILITY THE NEXT YEAR.

GREAT FLEXIBILITY NEXT YEAR. AND ALSO IF THE BUDGET COMES. IF WE HAVE A WINDFALL IN SOME AREA, THEN WE COULD BUILD THE STABILIZATION FUND BACK UP, SO WE COULD FURTHER DO SOME THINGS

LIKE THAT. >> AND JUST SO I'M CLEAR TOO.

UTILIZATION OF THE STABILIZATION FUND FOR THE BOND REDEMPTION PROGRAM CAN HAPPEN REGARDLESS OF WHICH TAX RATE. IS THAT

ACCURATE? >> CORRECT.

>> OKAY. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. PERSONALLY I AGREE WITH MR. LOFFGREN. I MEAN, I LIKE THE IDEA OF USING THAT STABILIZATION FUND TO PUT US IN A POSITION TO DO SOME BOND REDEMPTION. I THINK THAT OF THE MANY USES THAT WE COULD MAKE OF THAT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD ONE.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHT ON THAT?

>> OKAY. >> SO AS IT RELATES TO THE TAX RATE SPECIFICALLY. SO AT THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD INTRODUCE THE OFFICIAL ORDINANCE, ADOPTING THE TAX RATE. AND SO IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR STAFF TO GET CLEAR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BEFORE THEN, WHETHER IT'S TONIGHT OR WHETHER IT IS JUST FOLLOWING UP ONE ON ONE. HOWEVER YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS TO PLUG IN WHATEVER TAX RATE THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AS PART OF THE OFFICIAL FIRST READING AT THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

>> I SUPPORT THE TAX RATE THAT WAS PRESENTED. WHEN WE LEFT, I DIDN'T -- I WAS NOT LUCKY ENOUGH TO COME TO THE EMERGENCY MEETING. THE PREVIOUS MEETING, JAN TOLD ME TO SAY SHE SUPPORTED IT TOO. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

>> THANK YOU. I'M SURE SHE REALLY APPRECIATES IT.

LAUGHTER ] OTHER COMMENTS? YOU KNOW FROM MY STANDPOINT, AND I THINK LIKE I SAID, THIS INFORMATION IS HELPFUL. I THINK IT FALLS BACK ON, YOU KNOW, IS OUR ROLE AND OUR JOB TO MAXIMIZE OUR TAX REVENUE OR IS IT TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE GOVERNANCE THAT KEEPS IN MIND ALL THE DIFFERENT VARIANCES THAT ARE IN PLAY HERE? I THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE ALL TAKE THIS INFORMATION, KIND OF ABSORB IT A LITTLE BIT, THEN GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK, EITHER THROUGH ONE ON ONES OR SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE

INTO SOME OF THIS. >> SURE. I'LL DEFINITELY PROVIDE THIS TO YOU. YOU MIGHT APOLOGIZE THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN SENT TO YOU. IT'S WESLEY'S FAULT.

WILL DO. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS,

COMMENTS? >> THANK YOU FOR PROJECTING OUT.

I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. IT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT.

I THINK BEING ABLE TO SEE THE IMPACT LONG TERM HELPS GUIDE OUR

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DECISION MAKING. >> FOR THE RECORD, I'LL TAKE NO FEEDBACK AS OKAY WITH THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. SO IF YOU ARE NOT OKAY WITH THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, I REALLY DO NEED TO

HEAR FROM YOU. >> THAT IS A FAIR POINT. I WAS JUST FIXING TO ASK YOU. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION AND MAKE IT A POINT TO HAVE DISCUSSION WITH MR. GARZA ABOUT KIND OF WHERE YOU ARE WITH THIS GOING FORWARD.

>> PROBABLY SOMEWHAT BELOW THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE. FOR ME, IT IS LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE TWO MIDDLE RATES, FIGURING OUT WHICH IS THE ONE WE COULD LIVE WITH AND MOVE FORWARD. AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO THE COMMENTS I MADE IN THE FIRST MEETING, WHICH I STRUGGLE WITH THE MAX RATE IN THE FACE OF NO GROWTH. AND I REALIZE THAT CAN CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD, BUT I WANT TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO SOME OF THE NUMBERS AND ASK SOME QUESTIONS

ABOUT WHAT YOU PRESENT. >> SURE.

[H. Executive Sessions:]

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. GARZA, I UNDERSTAND WE DO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION?

>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.

>> LET'S TAKE ANOTHER SHORT BREAK. IT IS 7:40. WE'LL TAKE A TE

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