a. January 2024 Keep Victoria Beautiful Business Beautification Award. Christy Youker, Assistant Director of Environmental Services

[1. An Ordinance vacating, closing, and abandoning certain alleys in response to the petition of 100% of the adjoining land owners. Allison Lacey, City Attorney ]

DID NOT WANT ANYONE TO WORRY. THANKS AND HAVE A GREAT

EVENING. >> OKAY, WITH THAT WE WILL GO

TO C1. >> AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, AND ABANDONING CERTAIN ALLEYS IN RESPONSE TO THE PETITION OF 100% OF THE ADJOINING LAND OWNERS.

>> GOOD EVENING. I AM THE PETITION FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO ABANDON A PORTION OF THE ALLEY AND THE TERRACE EDITION. IT IS A T-SHAPED ALLEY THAT THEY WILL TURN INTO AN L SHAPED ALLEY. FROM THIS AREA YOU CAN SEE IT IS LONG ENCOMPASSED IN THEIR SITE. WITH ALL ABANDONMENTS WE RECOMMEND, OR ASK THAT THE CONDITION BE PLACED, THAT THEY RE-PLAT THE ALLEY IN THE PROPERTY SO BECOMES ONE LOT.

AND VI ST ENGAGED URBAN ENGINEERING IF APPROVED.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> DID WE ADOPT C ONE? >> SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY

[D. CONSENT AGENDA]

AYE. >> CONSENT AGENDA.

>> ITEM D TO IS ADOPTION OF MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 19, 2023 AND ITEM ON NUMBER TWO, AN

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ORDINANCE APPROVING A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO THE FY24 BUDGET IN THE AMOUNT OF $210,651.52 TO COVER THE COST OF A DUMP TRUCK FOR THE PUBLIC WORKS UTILITIES DIVISION AND THE COST OF THE MAYORAL ELECTION.. THIS ITEM IS SECOND AND THIRD READING. AND ITEM D3 IS AUTHORIZE THE FILING OF A GRANT APPLICATION WITH THE GOLDEN CRESCENT REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A REGIONAL SOLID WASTE GRANTS PROGRAM GRANT, AUTHORIZING DARRYL LESAK, DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF VICTORIA IN N ALL MATTERS RELATD TO THE APPLICATION; AND PLEDGING THAT IF A GRANT IS RECEIVED THE CITY OF VICTORIA WILL COMPLY WITH THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS OF THE GOLDEN CRESCENT REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY AND THE STATE OF TEXAS.

[1. Appoint presiding judges and alternate judges for the February 3, 2024 Special Election. April Hilbrich, City Secretary ]

>> I MOVE WE ADOPT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

MOTION CARRIES. ITEM E1. >> APPOINT PRESIDING JUDGES AND ALTERNATE JUDGES FOR THE FEBRUARY 3, 2024 SPECIAL

ELECTION. >>

] >> I MOVE TO ACCEPT.

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ?

>> I WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE HAD CONSIDERED OPENING LESS OF THE PRECINCT FOR THE ELECTION TO TRY TO SAVE FUNDS BUT DECIDED THAT IT WAS BEST TO MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY TO EASILY VOTE AT ALL PRECINCT. ALL WILL BE OPEN

FOR MAYORAL ELECTION. >> THANK YOU FOR THE

CLARIFICATION. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF E1

[1. 2035 Comprehensive Plan Action Agenda Update. Julie Fulgham, Director of Development Services ]

SAY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WE ARE INTO

THE CITY MANAGER REPORTS. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT AND GO BACK TO THE EMPLOYER RECOGNITION REALLY QUICK THAT I ACCIDENTALLY SKIPPED OVER. THAT IS ON ME. I APOLOGIZE. BUT WE HAVE -- HERE FROM THE LIBRARY DEPARTMENT. CAN YOU PLEASE STAND? SHE RECENTLY WAS PROMOTED TO LIBRARIAN AND GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA. SIMILAR TO THE SENTIMENTS I EXPECT ARE THERE, ANYTIME THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WITH INTERNAL EMPLOYEES, INVESTING IN THEIR OWN PREPARATION, WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. SHE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT.

STARTED WITH US NOT TOO LONG AGO BUT EMITTED TO HER EDUCATION. SHORTLY AFTER FINISHING HER MASTERS DEGREE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY AND SO THANK YOU.

>> WE'VE GOT TO OUR FIRST REPORT, IT IS AN UPDATE ON OUR ACTION AGENDA. I HAVE THE ORDER MESSED UP.

>> YOU WILL COVER THE ACTION AGENDA FOR. IT IS A COMPANION DOCUMENT TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND. SO I HAVE THE SUMMARY ON THE PREVIOUS ACTION AGENDA THAT WE JUST COMPLETED. OKAY, THERE WAS A DELAY. YES. SORRY. SO AS YOU KNOW THE COMPETENCE OF PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN APRIL OF 2016. IS A LONG-RANGE PLAN. THE ACTION AGENDA IS THE IMPLEMENT OF THE PLAN. IT WAS CURRENTLY ADOPTED IN 2021 AND HAD 43 ACTION ITEMS. TODAY 16 HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. AS YOU KNOW WITH THE ACTION AGENDA WE HAVE BEEN PUBLISHING QUARTERLY UPDATES, TO KEEP EVERYONE APPRISED OF THE ONGOING WORK THAT IS BEING DONE ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I HAVE A SHAMELESS PLUG FOR EVERYONE TO SIGN UP FOR THE UPDATES. IF YOU SIGN UP ON THE UPDATE WEBSITE, IT WILL BE UPDATED TO YOUR INBOX QUARTERLY. THESE ARE THE 16 COMPLETED ACTION AGENDA ITEMS THAT COME OUT OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I WILL GO QUICKLY THROUGH THIS BECAUSE HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE ALL BEEN RECEIVING THIS QUARTERLY UPDATE. AND READING THEM EVERY QUARTER. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HIGHLIGHTING THE UPDATES. THERE IS A LOT OF WORK DONE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AS A REFRESHER, THERE WERE FIVE SECTIONS IN THE PLAN. MOBILITY, GROWTH, RECREATION AND AMENITIES, AND WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES, YOU CAN SEE SOME WORK THAT IS ONGOING OR WE HAVE COMPLETED. SO TO HIGHLIGHT SPECIFIC PROJECTS, A PROJECT THAT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES, REHABILITATION OF REALLY PROJECT WE COMPLETED.

PRESTWOOD DRIVE, ONGOING OR NEARING THE END. OF COURSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE, OR TOWARDS THE END OF DEVELOPING THE

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UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WE WILL DISCUSS AFTER THIS. AS YOU CAN TELL FROM OUR , JUST DRIVING AROUND THE CITY, THE CLEANUP IS DOING A LOT OF THREE WORK HERE. -- GREAT WORK HERE. ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES WILL CONTINUE AND KEEP VICTORIA BEAUTIFUL WILL CONTINUE THOSE CLEANUPS. THERE ARE SOME TASKS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ARE VERY SPECIFIC, UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. OTHERS, LIKE THE CLEANUPS, ARE ONGOING. WE HAVE TO CONTINUALLY BE WORKING ON THEM TO IMPROVE. OUR PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTERS IS A MASSIVE PROJECT OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK ONE OF THE LARGEST PROJECTS. AS YOU KNOW WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY TO ACTUALLY SEEING INTO FRUITION. WE ARE NOT FORGETTING THE EXISTING FACILITIES. WE RECENTLY HAVE THE REMODEL OF FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE COMPLETED. AND WE HAVE BEEN HIS YOUNG MASTER PLANS. SINCE THE ACTION AGENDA, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, THE STORM DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN, PARKS AND REC, AND THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF GREEN CHECKS WHICH ARE COMPLETED, AND THEN THE ORANGE CHECKS ARE WE HAVE COMPLETED THEM BUT THEY CONTINUE TO BE ONGOING. LIKE I SAID CLEANUP OR SOMETHING. THE ONGOING INITIATIVE THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON. AND THIS IS ALL ON OUR WEBSITE AND PART OF THOSE QUARTERLY UPDATES . BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LARGE DOCUMENT, IT IS A 20 YEAR HORIZON. IT IS TIME TO CREATE A NEW ACTION AGENDA. THIS IS A REFRESHER ON WHERE WE HAVE BEEN. TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON WHERE WE WANT TO GO. WE DO NEED TO CREATE THE 2024-2026 ACTION AGENDA. HOW WE ENVISION THE PROCESS GOING AS WE MADE A CALL TO THE DIRECTORS TO GIVE US A LIST OF WHAT WE SEE THE PRIORITIES ARE, WE WILL BE ASKING TO MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY ON ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS TO GO OVER YOUR PRIORITIES. HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE THAT LIST SO WE CAN DISCUSS AND GET FROM EACH OF YOU WHAT THE ACTION ITEMS SHOULD BE IN THE AGENDA. AND WE WILL COMPILE THAT OFFER FOR YOU TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY ADOPTION AT THE MARCH 2024 QUARTERLY WORKSHOP. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

FRESH COPIES OF ALL REPORTS ON OUR WEBSITE. WE WILL DISTRIBUTE THAT AS WELL SO YOU CAN REVIEW WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE UP UNTIL NOW. WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE HABIT OF HAVING A TWO YEAR CYCLE OF HAVING THESE ACTION AGENDA ITEMS. WE ARE COMING UP ON THAT TIME TO DO ONE AGAIN. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION AROUND UPDATING COMPREHENSIVE LANDS. BUT WE DID NOT FEEL THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TIME TO DO IT . WE HAVE MANY OTHER MASTER PLANS THAT WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN THAT HAVE PLENTY OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THINGS TO DO THAT WE DID NOT THINK IT WAS MAYBE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO GO THROUGH A LARGE COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN AFTER ALL THE SMALLER TREND 15 MASTER PLAN. BE PRIORITY EXERCISE AND THEN REVISIT IT IN A COUPLE YEARS TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE WANT TO CONTINUE TACKLING THE 2035 AND THE SUB MASTER PLAN. OR IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THE 2040, OR 2045 OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

>> WHEN DID WE PUBLISH THE 2035?

>> 2016. >> 2016.

YOU. >> AND YOU WERE MAYOR PRO-TEM

AND I WAS IN THE AUDIENCE. >> I REMEMBER THE BIG COMMUNITY

INVOLVEMENT. >> VERY BIG.

>> I WAS TRYING TO PLAY THAT OUT.

>> NOT QUITE 10 YEARS. THERE ARE PLENTY OF INITIATIVES.

ESPECIALLY WHEN COMBINED WITH THE SMALL MASTER PLANS . WE CAN BREAK OUT THE ACTION AGENDA AND HAVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES COMING FROM DIFFERENT PLANS IF PRIORITY IS SILENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE CAN DEFINITELY INCORPORATE THAT.

THE ACTION AGENDA IS THE ROAD MAP OF Y'ALL TELLING US WHAT TO

WORK ON. >> I APOLOGIZE IF THERE WAS ONE IN BETWEEN BUT THE ORIGINALS 2020. I REMEMBER THINKING IN 2016 THAT WE WERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS SHORT OF THE END OF THAT. I DID NOT THINK THAT WE WOULD REDO 2035 UNTIL MORE LIKE 2030. AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT THAT A LOT OF

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THE MASTER PLANS WE ARE DOING OUR CALLED THROUGH DOING THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. IT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE PUTTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASIDE ARE NOT LOOKING OR NOT RESPONDING TO IT AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING.

>> THE MASTER PLAN IS JUST TYPICALLY DRILLED DOWN INTO MORE DEEPER DETAIL THAN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

[2. Unified Development Ordinance Update. Julie Fulgham, Director of Development Services ]

>> THANK YOU. NEXT. >>>> NOW WE WILL GO TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

>> HERE TO PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF AT THE LAST COUNCIL

WORKSHOP , CHANCE SPARKS. >> HERE TO REPORT BACK ON THE CHANGES OF CODE SINCE LAST MEETING AND WALKED HER A COUPLE ADDITIONAL ITEMS. FOR THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE DRAFT, WE SAW THE PARKING RATIOS USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY. WE MADE CHANGES TO THE LAND-USE TABLE. ALIGNING SETBACK AND LOT SIZE ITEMS TO MAKE THEM WORK BETTER BETWEEN EACH OTHER. TO SUPPORT AFFORDABILITY AND EASE, SIMPLIFICATION OF PARKING RATIOS. IF YOU HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED SINCE THEN. ALSO UPDATING THINGS LIKE THE -- DEFINITION , KENNEL DEFINITION, TO ALIGN WITH ANIMAL CONTROL. MOST OF THE ACTIVITY HAS BEEN WITHIN THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS. THIS IS THE BIG CONVERSATION AT THE LAST MEETING. AND A COUPLE HAVE CHANGED. THE AMENITY THRESHOLD FOR MULTIFAMILY HAS BEEN ADJUSTED SO THAT ESSENTIALLY YOU COULD DO FOUR PLEXUS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT TRIGGERING THE AMENITY SIZE OR REQUIREMENT. IT ALLOWS FOR THE SMALLEST DEAL MULTI FAMILY THAT TENDS TO BE MORE COMMON AND HIT ON THE AFFORDABILITY AREA. WE ALSO MADE THE ADJUSTMENTS FOR SEPARATION AND COMPATIBILITY.

ACROSS THE BOARD. WE CLARIFIED WHAT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL USES IS APPLIED TO. IN OTHER WORDS, DOES NOT APPLY TO MULTIFAMILY.

THEN WITH THE LAST MEETING WITH THE CONSENSUS ON THE PROPERTY IF IT HAS FRONTAGE AND TAKES ACCESS FROM THE EXISTING OR PROPOSED FREEWAY EXPRESSWAY, THAT SEPARATION DISTANCE NO LONGER APPLIES. THAT IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE KEY CORRIDOR THAT SOMETIMES HAVE RESIDENTIAL BACKING. THE PROPERTIES, SO THEY CAN STILL BE DEVELOPED IN AN EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT WAY. THAT IS BOTH FOR AUTOMOTIVE TYPE USES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHERS INCLUDING CANDLES, PAWNSHOPS, OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT. I WANTED TO ADD A NOTE HERE AS WELL, THE SEPARATION COMPATIBILITY FOR SPORTS SHOOTING RANGES IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR OUTDOOR TYPE ABILITIES. AND INDOOR RANGE IS TREATED LIKE ANY OTHER COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. WE ALSO ELIMINATED THE RESIDENTIAL SEPARATION FOR BREWPUBS AND NIGHTCLUB LOUNGES. THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING WE HAD CONSENSUS ON AT THE PRIOR MEETING. FOR INSTITUTIONAL SERVICES WE ADDED THE EXCEPTION OF THE CORRECTIONAL FACILITIES , FULLY OWNED AND OPERATED BY CITY, STATE, COUNTY, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THAT HIS FUTURE PROOFING, WHERE YOU GRANT THE VARIANCE NO MATTER WHAT. IS GO AHEAD AND SET IT UP. AND THEN A CHANGE ON INFRASTRUCTURE. ADDING THE EXCEPTION FOR SEPARATION AND DISTANCE FOR WIND AND SOLAR POWER GENERATION. MANY OF THOSE OPERATE ON A VARIETY OF SCALES AND TEND TO BE LOW-IMPACT. THEY ALSO TEND NOT TO LOCATE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND REQUIRE A UTILITY LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS TYPICALLY. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE UPDATE ON KENNELS.

CHANGED IT TO ANIMAL USE, TO BE ALL-ENCOMPASSING. AND MORE CLEAR ON HOW IT APPLIES AND WHAT IT APPLIES TO. IT WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT HAS ESSENTIALLY HOUSING OF ANIMALS. FOR LACK OF A BETTER PHRASE. AND IT MAINTAINS THE SAME SEPARATIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.

>> WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT , YOU ARE KIND OF JUST FLYING THROUGH THIS BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE TIME TO JUST CONFIRM WITH YOU ON THESE DIFFERENT THINGS. IF YOU COULD GO BACK.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL HAS NO QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS ON EACH SLIDE. I THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE TO TAKE OUR TIME AND DO SO.

>> ONE QUESTION I WANT TO CLARIFY ON, I KNOW WE TALKED AT THE WORKSHOP , YOU MENTIONED IT, WE WERE ONLY GOING TO DO

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THE DIST WOULD EXEMPT OUT MAIN STREET, OR PRIMARY, ARTERIAL STREETS. SO WIND THAT DOES NOT APPLY IN THOSE DISTANCES ARE MEASURED, WE TALKED ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WE TALKED DOOR-TO-DOOR. WE TALKED PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE. SO WHAT WILL BE THE END RESULT BASED ON WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW? HOW IS THE MEASUREMENT

TAKEN? >> WE ARE USING PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE AS THE MEASUREMENT. THE ONLY TYPE THAT VARIES IS THE MEASUREMENTS THAT IS TAKEN FOR ALCOHOL SERVING ESTABLISHMENTS AND PACKAGING STORES. THOSE ARE DICTATED BY STATE LAW. PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE IS THE EASIEST FORM OF MEASUREMENT.

DID COUNCIL HAVE ANY COUNCILS QUESTIONS, ANY CHANGES ON THE

SLIDE? >> WHAT WAS THE MINIMUM

FRONTAGE? >> FOR THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS? HOLD ON. I WILL TELL YOU VERY QUICK. I DO NOT THINK THAT THEY HAVE CHANGED FROM ANYTHING PREVIOUSLY.

>> WE REDUCED RESIDENTIAL DOWN TO 50 BUT EVERYTHING ELSE

SHOULD STAY THE SAME, 100. >> YES, 100 FEET FOR EVERYTHING

ELSE. >> THE GRAPH THAT YOU ALL HAD LAST TIME, WHERE IT HAD SOME RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU WOULD MOVE SOME UP TO THE TOP, COULD WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE , COULD WE HAVE IT PRESENTED AT THE SAME FASHION? SO WE COULD ADJUST OUR THOUGHTS, OKAY, THAT IS WHAT WE DID. THIS IS JUST WORDS. TO ME IT IS BETTER IF YOU HAD IT IN A CHART FORM.

>> THAT IS WHY WE ARE DOING IT SECTION BY SECTION. THAT CHART WAS BROKEN DOWN AND EACH PIECE WAS A SECTION.

>> I UNDERSTAND BUT WE ARE MOVING SOME FROM THIS SECTION 2

OF HERE. >> WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. YES.

>> IS THAT CHART -- >> THAT CHART IS ACTUALLY --

>> SORRY, WHAT? >> THE CHART IS IN THE CODE

ITSELF. CORRECT? >> THE LAND-USE CHART IS A CHART THAT WE MADE FOR THE ACTUAL SEPARATION STANDARDS.

IT IS NOT. THAT IS THE SPECIFIC USE STANDARDS.

>> HE REMOVED IT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

>> IT WAS NEVER IN. THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING MY STAFF CREATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION. JUST TO MAKE IT AS THEY SAID, EASIER.

THE DIFFERENT USES OF THE SPECIFIC LAND-USE SECTION. SO AUTO IS AUTO DEALERSHIP. AUTO REPAIR. CARWASH. HEAVY AUTO REPAIR. AND TRUCK SALES. WEIGHT, DO YOU ALL HAVE THE

SAME? IT IS UNDER AUTO USES. >> THE LIGHTER OUR AUTO DEALERSHIPS, CARWASH, HEAVY AUTO, LIKE TYPICALLY I THINK BOTTA EIGHT BODY SHOPS. TRUCK SALES, TRUCK STOP AND REPAIR, THAT IS 500 FOOT. AGAIN WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PRIOR MEETING. I THINK THE REFERENCE WAS THE BIG TEXAN.

THAT IS NOT A TRUCK STOP. >> YES. THAT IS RETAIL. THE EXCEPTION THAT WAS ADDED, THE ABOVE SHALL NOT APPLY WHEN THE CENTER PROPERTY MEETS MINIMUM FRONTAGE AND TAKES ACCESS FROM THE EXISTING OR PROPOSED PRIMARILY ARTERIAL OR FREEWAY/EXPRESSWAY. SO THAT IS NAVARRO, HOUSTON HIGHWAY. THE SEPARATION STANDARDS DO NOT APPLY AND THEY HAVE THAT FRONTAGE ON THOSE ROADWAYS.

LISTED SOMEWHERE IN THE CODE? >> IT IS ON THE THIRD MASTER

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PLAN. THE THIRD MAP. >> OKAY.

>> AND THEN THAT THIRD MASTER PLAN IS ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION AND IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING THAT WE CHANGE THE MAP, THAT IS WHERE IT ALL TIES TOGETHER.

>> WITNESSES OUT THERE AND DEVELOPERS OR THE PUBLIC, IS THERE A LINK WHERERE THE PRIMAY ARTERIAL CAN BE? THAT THEY CAN THEN JUST CLICK ON IT AND FIND THAT? THAT ACCESS TO --

>> WE CAN SEE ABOUT LINKING THE MASTER PLAN. MOST OF THE TIME WHEN A DEVELOPER IS LOOKING FOR A SITE THEY ARE ON -- BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR WATER LINES AND SEWER LINES AND THAT INFO. AND IT IS A LAYER ON THERE.

>> I THINK THAT THIS IS GOOD GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT USES. BECAUSE IT IS A LOT OF WORDS, BUT WHAT YOU PUT THERE

IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT SAYS. >> I AM JUST CURIOUS, I AM LOOKING THROUGH THE CODE PART AND UNDER CARWASH, AND SAME WITH SERVICE BAYS ON LIGHT AUTO REPAIR, IT SAYS NONE OF THE BAYS, OR ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE ORIENTED AWAY FROM THE STREET.

SO THERE WAS THE LATEST ONE THAT WAS ON NAVARRO. OR THE ONE THAT THEY DID ON STOCK POWER. EVERY CARWASH THAT I HAD SEEN FACES THE STREET. WHY WOULD WE PUT IT IN --

>> IT IS A MATTER OF YAWLS PREFERENCE. IT IS COMMON STANDARD, COMMON PRACTICE AS WELL IN OTHER CITIES. BUT IT IS EASILY ADJUSTED TO MATCH YELL.

>> I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REASONING WOULD BE.

>> APPEARANCE. >> THERE'S MAINLY TWO, MAINLY IT IS APPEARANCE. OF COURSE. AND SECOND IS THE FLOW OF VEHICLES. PARTICULARLY IF IT IS SELF-SERVE OR AN OIL CHANGE TYPE OF PLACE. IT CREATES THE NATURAL LOOP VERSUS STRAIGHT THROUGH AND SPLITS. THAT IS THE TYPICAL REASONS WE HAVE SEEN FOR IT. BUT IT IS ALSO NOT AN ESSENTIAL.

>> I NOTE THAT YOU ARE THINKING NOT JUST AUTOMATIC CARWASHES BUT SELF-SERVICE CAR WASHES, THEY ALL FACE THE STREET.

>> A LOT OF THEM DO. >> I DO NOT KNOW IF WE NEED IT

IN THERE. >> I AM STILL STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT THIS IS A PLANNING ORDINANCE. THIS IS FOR AFFECTING APPEARANCE IN THE FUTURE. AND WHAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO IS SAY, OH, WE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY NOW SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE DO NOT CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING US MAKE THE CITY HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF NOT A CONTINUATION OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T REALLY CARE FOR. I AM JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT GOING TO A PART OF TOWN THAT YOU ARE NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE WAY IT LOOKS. DO WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ORDINANCE ENCOURAGES THAT OR PROTECT THAT? GO TO A PART OF TOWN THAT YOU WOULD LIKE VICTORIA TO LOOK. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND OUR OPPORTUNITY TO AFFECT CHANGE.

IS LONG-TERM. I MEAN THE LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE WAS WRITTEN IN THE 90S. WE ARE ALL APPLAUDING HOW BEAUTIFUL VICTORIA LOOKS NOW. SO I FEEL THAT IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT PLANNERS HAVE DISCOVERED THAT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE FUTURE, I AM JUST CONTINUING TO BE BOTHERED THAT ALL OF OUR DISCUSSION IS, OH, WE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY NOW SO LET'S NOT

CHANGE ANYTHING. >> ON THE ONE I AM DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW I SEE IT AS A SAFETY ISSUE. IF YOU HAVE BAYS STACKED, HOW DO YOU KNOW IF THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON IN EACH BAY? I WOULD RATHER THEM BE OPENED UP SO YOU CAN SEE

WHAT IS GOING ON IN THEM. >> IT WOULD BE MORE COST-EFFECTIVE TOO. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? HAVE THEM ALL IN A CORNER WHERE IT FACES THE STREET? I MEAN AS A DEVELOPER, I MEAN I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD TAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE TO CONSTRUCT THAT PLACE. INSTEAD OF JUST A STRAIGHT LINE LIKE WE

DO RIGHT NOW. >> BUT YOU DO A STRAIGHT LINE AND TURN IT THE OTHER DIRECTION. THAT IS ALL.

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>> IT IS NOT LIKE IT IS PACKED IN THERE WHERE YOU CANNOT SEE THE BAYS, EVEN IF IT IS SIDEWAYS.

>> WOMEN THE SIZE OF THE LOT, THE DESIGN OF THE LOT, WHETHER THE DIMENSIONS OF THE LOT DETERMINE HOW A DEVELOPER WOULD BE ABLE TO DESIGN HIS BAYS OF HIS CARWASH. WITH THAT

HAVE THE DETERMINATION? >> IT HAS DETERMINATION NOW.

EACH LOT IS LOOK TO POLAND -- IS LOOK UPON FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS. SO YES THAT IS ALWAYS A FACTOR. THAT IF YOU SET THE STANDARD AND SAY IT MIGHT OPEN UP NEW LOTS FOR THAT STANDARD AND MAKE OTHERS NOT SUITABLE, THAT IS ACROSS THE

BOARD ON ALL DEVELOPMENTS. >> IF YOU SET THE STANDARD THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT A PERSON CANNOT COME AND SAY I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD IT THE OTHER WAY. AND I HAVE A VARIANCE?

>> THEN WHY HAVE THE REGULATION IN THERE?

>> BECAUSE IT WOULD LOOK BETTER IF THEY ARE FACING THE OTHER

DIRECTION. >> THAT IS YOUR OPINION.

>> IT IS MY OPINION. AND ALSO HER OPINION. EVERYBODY HAS A

DIFFERENT OPINION. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

>> THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF REGULATIONS IN THERE THAT THEY DISAGREE WITH BUT THEY CAN ALWAYS GET A VARIANCE AND THAT

IS WHY WE HAVE THE PROCESS. >> AND IT CAN ALWAYS BE AMENDED AS WELL. IF SOMETHING DOES NOT PAN OUT THE WAY THAT PEOPLE THINK. OR IT WAS MISSED. OR WHATEVER. I MEAN THE UDO CAN

BE AMENDED. >> I BROUGHT UP THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS. OKAY? I HAVE LOOKED AT THEM. I AM FINE WITH THE WAY THEY ARE. OKAY? A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN LOW WORD AND I AM FOR THAT. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO REVISIT AGAIN DOWN THE ROAD. A LOT OF THE STUFF WE WILL HAVE TO REVISIT FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. AND I AGREE WITH JAN. I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

>> ANY CARWASH IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW IS GRANDFATHERED. AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE WITH THAT USE. SO IT IS A LONG-TERM

CHANGE. >> AND JUST FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF A CARWASH COMES IN AND IS LOOKING AT A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON A CORNER, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO MEET THIS STANDARDS. INTERFACES TWO STREETS AND IT CANNOT FACE EITHER ONE. DO WE SAY I AM SORRY THEN YOU CANNOT BUILD A CARWASH HERE. OR IS THE APPLICATION WELL, YOU WILL HAVE TO GO GET THE VARIANCE TO BUILD IT AT THIS LOCATION. THE VARIANCE THEN, IT REALLY DETERMINES WHETHER OR NOT THE

THING EXISTS. >> THE WAY YOU ARE -- RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU HAVE A CORNER LOT AND THE DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY DECLARED THE FRONT FOR THAT . IN THE CASE OF THE CORNER LOT. A LOT ARE NOT PREDICATED ON FRONT VERSUS SIDE TYPES OF REGULATIONS. EVEN HOW SETBACKS APPLIER INFLUENCED BY THAT. THEY DECLARE THAT I THERE IF THEY COME THROUGH WITH A PLAT, THEY DECLARE IT THEN. OR IF IT IS ALREADY PLATTED, IT WOULD BE DECLARED ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE PLAN.

>> I DO NOT SEE THE NEED TO GO TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. WHICH WAY THE BAYS CAN FACE. STILL, IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE IT DOES NOT SAY DECLARE A FRONT. IT JUST SAYS THE STREET. JUST PUTTING REGULATION IN THERE THAT I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY SAY, WELL, IT WOULD BE NICER IF THEY WERE TURNED SIDEWAYS OR IF THE CARWASH DID NOT FACE THE FRONT OR NAVARRO, OR WHATEVER

THE CASE MAY BE. >> THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMEBODY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT FEELING, IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF US HAVING HIRED THE CONSULTANT IS THAT WE HAVE GOT SOMEBODY WHOSE MIND WORKS IN TERMS OF FORWARD THINKING, PLANNING, THINKS ABOUT THINGS THAT WE DON'T THINK ABOUT. AND SO THAT IS TRUE, I HAVE NEVER HAD SOMEBODY COMPLAIN ABOUT IT EITHER. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WOULD NOT APPRECIATE THE CHANGE.

>> BUT BECAUSE OTHER CITIES CHOOSE TO GO THAT DIRECTION, THAT IS NOT A REASON FOR ME. THAT IS NOT THE ACTUAL REASON

BEHIND DOING SOMETHING. >> APPEARANCE IS THE REASON FOR

ME. >> AESTHETICALLY IT LOOKS

BETTER. >> AND I AM THINKING ABOUT IF I AM IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS A NICE EIGHT FOOT SEPARATION FENCE AND THEN A CARWASH ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE CARS GO THROUGH THIS WAY, I WOULD IMAGINE IT IS A LOT LOUDER THAN IF THE CARS ARE SIDEWAYS. I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT. I DEFINITELY, IN THIS SECTION, I THINK THE PART ABOUT NOT FACING RESIDENCES MAKE SENSE FOR THAT REASON.

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>> QUESTION. CURRENTLY DON'T WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE ENTRANCE IF YOU ARE IN A CORNER LOT, PER

SIDE? >> NO. THE DRIVEWAY ORDINANCE ALLOWS THE ENTRANCE OFF OF EITHER STREET. IT COMES DOWN TO -- HOW MANY ENTRANCES? IT DEPENDS ON YOUR FRONTAGE. IF YOU HAVE A LONG ENOUGH FRONTAGE ON EITHER SIDE YOU COULD HAVE ONE OR MORE DRIVEWAYS ON EACH. IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG THE LOT IS AND HOW MANY DRIVEWAYS YOU CAN HAVE. YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE TWO ON A CORNER LOT, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ENOUGH DISTANCE OR FRONTAGE ON THE STREETS.

>> WOULD YOU GO BACK TO WHATAT YOU SAID ABOUT DECLARING ? IS

THAT IN THE ORDINANCE ALSO? >> IT IS WRITTEN TO SAY THAT WE SHALL NOT FRONT. AND WHEN YOU DO THE SITE PLAN OR THE PLAT, YOU WRITE ALL OF YOUR REGULATIONS, AND DESIGN IT BASED OFF THE FRONT. THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, 70% HAS TO BE IN THE FRONT. ON A CORNER LOT, THEY SELECT EITHER BY PLAT OR IF THERE ARE NOT SETBACKS ON THE PLAT, IF THIS IS THE FRONT, THAT IS WHERE THEY PUT. A LOT OF RULES ARE ENFORCED THAT WAY ON WHAT IS YOUR FRONT AND WHAT IS YOUR SIDE SETBACK, VERSUS REAR, VERSUS OTHER SIDE.

>> YOU HAVE A FRONT SET BACK BUT ALSO THE CORNER SIDE SETBACK. THAT ADDRESSES THE OTHER FRONTAGE IF YOU HAVE THE

CORNER LOT. >> I WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW THE OLD CORRAL RESTAURANT SITE, WITH RED RIVER ON ONE SIDE AND -- ON THE OTHER? THAT THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS DETERMINES WHAT DEVELOPERS PICK AS THE FRONT. IT DETERMINES THE SET BACK FOR THE FRONT, THE SIDE, THE REAR. IT IS COMMON PRACTICE THAT IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ROADS THAT THE BORDER OR PROPERTY WILL DETERMINE THE FRONT AND IS THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. THROUGH THE PLANTING PROCESS.

>> I AGREE WITH JEFF. I BELIEVE FRONT, THAT THE CARWASH SHOULD BE FACING FORWARD.

>> I WOULD LET THE DEVELOPER MAKE THAT CHOICE BASED ON PROPERTY. RIGHT? WE ARE JUST TELLING HIM WHERE THEY CAN AND CANNOT GO. BY SAYING THAT THESE ARE THE ONLY WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO IT. IF YOU ARE NOT DEEP ENOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN A MAJOR CORRIDOR. WAS RYAN'S STEAKHOUSE REDEVELOPED? I THINK IT IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR A CARWASH AND IT ALWAYS SEEMS BUSY. SO I GUESS IT IS IN THE EYE OF THE

BEHOLDER. >> I THINK WE WILL GIVE QUICK QUACK A BEAUTIFICATION AWARD TOO. I LIKE THE DUCK.

>> CERTAINLY I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE IN HERE SOME THINGS THAT DEAL WITH ASCETICS. WHICH A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE. I THINK THE CONCERN ON THE BALANCE, I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH. EVERYBODY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION. HOW DO WE PROTECT THE AESTHETICS GOING FORWARD, KNOWING THAT WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING, CHANGE WHAT IS HAPPENED IN THE PAST? AT THE SAME TIME NOT BE JUST THE BARRIER TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND IMPROVE THE CITY AND PUT IN A BUSINESS. YOU KNOW I DO NOT FEEL THAT I AM QUALIFIED TO TELL THE CARWASH GUY, HERE IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS. I HAVE NEVER WON A CARWASH, I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT, I AM NOT A DESIGNER. I THINK THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE. TO SAY THIS IS HOW IT HAS TO BE. I WANT THAT CARWASH TO BE THERE AND LET'S FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET A VARIANCE AND DO THAT SORT OF THING. BUT TO ME THAT IS UNNECESSARY POTENTIAL, POTENTIAL REDTAPE THAT SOMEBODY SAYS I CAN GO TO THE NEXT TOWN OVER AND BUILD A CARWASH AND NOT GET THE VARIANCE. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE MADE A LOT OF RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HERE IS SOME THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. AND HERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COULD HELP WITH AESTHETICS AND THAT SORT OF THING. I THINK FOR ME ANYWAY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY UP HERE, I LIKE THESE IDEAS. I LIKE THE CONCEPTS WHERE THEY WORK. BUT I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEAS AND CONCEPTS TO KILL THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OR DEVELOPMENT OF A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY. THAT IS WHY STRUGGLE. I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AROUND THE HORSE HERE A LITTLE BIT. AND KIND OF GUESS THAT MAYBE IT WORKS FOR THIS PIECE BUT NOT THAT PIECE. I THINK A LOT OF WHAT I SENSE

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FROM THE BOOKS , I AM NOT SURE, I AM NOT SURE HOW THEY WILL PLAY OUT IN A REALISTIC MANNER. IN THE EVERYDAY WORLD SETTING IN TERMS OF WHAT THIS WILL ACTUALLY DO THAT WE CANNOT DETERMINE AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS NOTHING MORE THAN JUST AN EXPLANATION FOR WHERE WE ARE A LITTLE BIT HESITANT , WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS IS GOING TO APPLY ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS. IS THAT FAIR?

>> EXTREMELY FAIR. >> YES. I THINK IT IS FAIR TO

SAY. >> IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO

LOOK AT PULLING OUT THEN? >> THAT IS EASY. CONSIDER IT OUT. END OF CONVERSATION. THAT IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL FEELS LIKE AND IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. WHAT ABOUT, I WANT TO FINISH THE CONVERSATION ON THIS SECTION THAT. ANY ISSUES WITH THE DISTANCES? AND THE EXCEPTION THAT HAS BEEN ADDED THAT IT WILL NOT APPLY , SO LONG IT MEETS MINIMUM FRONTAGE AND TAKES ACCESS FROM THE PRIMARY ARTERIAL OR FREEWAY/EXPRESSWAY.

>> I WANT TO ASK SO THAT WE ARE CLEAR, ALL OF THE USES THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING, ALL OF THEM HAVE THAT SAME STATEMENT ABOUT THE SERVICE BAYS. AND WHILE I DON'T LIKE IT WITH THE CARWASH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M NOT SURE I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE TRUCK STOP AND TRUCK REPAIR , SALES. I DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO GET THE NEW DRAFT AND SAY WAIT THAT IS IN THERE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS BEING REMOVED. FOR ME THAT DISCUSSION WAS IN TERMS OF CARWASH IS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAJORITY OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY.

>> IS THAT ACCURATE? >> YES. THAT TYPE OF STANDARD APPEARS FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE IN THE AUTOMOTIVE SECTION. THAT IS THE STANDARD THAT WE NEED TO PLAT ACROSS THE BOARD AND UNDERSTAND IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION.

>> IF WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION THEN LET'S HAVE IT

ONCE. >>

SALES. >> IT DOES APPEAR THAT IT HAS ADDED RESTRICTIONS TO THE DEVELOPER. AND I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIND THE COMMON GROUND.

>> SO HAD A BUSINESS SUCH AS SOUTHERN TIRE MART, OUT THERE

ON THE HIGHWAY, -- >> YOU ARE RIGHT. GO AHEAD.

>> IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BEEN BUILT LIKE IT IS.

BECAUSE IT HAS THE BAYS THAT OPEN ONTO THE SERVICE ROAD. OF THE FREEWAY/EXPRESSWAY. AND I JUST THINK THAT WE ARE DOING A LOT OF HARM BY SAYING PERIOD, IT CANNOT BE DONE, THAT IS IN THE CITY AND ITS. IS ON THE EDGE EDGE OF LONETREE BUSINESS

PARK. >> I THOUGHT THE MAJORITY DECIDED THAT IT DID NOT MATTER.

>> BUT SHE WANTED CLARIFICATION AGAINST ALL SECTIONS. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. I SEE WHERE IT IS A THEM ACROSS THE BOARD.

I WOULD NOT EXPECT THERE TO BE HEAVY TRUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. BUT WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF

TOWN. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL

HAPPEN. >> RIGHT. IT ALSO DEALS WITH

SOUTHERN TIRE MART. >> AND IN THAT EXAMPLE THINK ABOUT THE EXISTING USES THAT CURRENTLY DO HAVE THE BAYS ON THE SIDE, VISUALIZE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THEY WERE NOT. I AM THINKING OF THE DEALERSHIPS. OUR DEALERSHIPS HAVE THE SERVICE SECTIONS AND THE GARAGES THAT FACE THE SIDES AND NOT THE MAIN ROAD. INC. OF THE AUTO REPAIR SHOP

NEXT TO ENTERPRISE. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. THERE ARE AUTO DEALERSHIPS WHERE THE BAYS FACE --

>> I KNOW. BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT AREN'T. MY POINT IS YOU VISUALIZE THE ONES THAT CURRENTLY DO NOT BASE THE STREET AND VISUALIZE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU HAD ALL OF THEM FACING THE STREET. GOING BACK TO THE APPEARANCE ISSUE AND IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET, DO YOU WANT TO SEE A FACADE CONCRETE FRONT ? OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE BAYS WITH THE CARS UP ON THE LIPS? RIGHT? THAT IS JUST A PREFERENCE.

OBVIOUSLY THE LOT WILL DETERMINE HOW SOMETHING WILL FIT AND THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE DIFFERENT VISUAL AND VISUALIZING THE PLACES THAT YOU HAVE IT CURRENTLY ON THE SIDE AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WEREN'T. THE NEW COLLISION PLACE OFF THE LOOP NEXT TO THE HOTEL HAS THEM ON THE SIDE AND BACK. THEY ARE NOT FACING THE

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STREET. VISUALIZE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE.

RIGHT? JUST THINK OF THAT AS YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE WILL BE THE ONE OFF EXAMPLES WHERE THE LOT SIZE OR THE GEOMETRY IS GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT CAN AND CANNOT HAPPEN WITHOUT A DOUBT. THAT WILL HAPPEN. BUT THINK ABOUT THE REAL-LIFE EXAMPLES, BOTH ON BOTH ENDS THAT WE HAVE TWO

ENON. >> SO ALL OF THOSE, THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO MAKE UP THEIR MIND AND NOT US TELLING THEM WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE? RIGHT? AND THEY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA. BUT IT DOES NOT ALWAYS WORK.

>> WITH THERE BE EXCEPTION UNDER THIS BECAUSE --

>> YES. AND SO WOULD HIS EXAMPLE BEING OFF OF THE EXPRESSWAY, EXHUMING -- ASSUMING THAT APPLIES.

>> THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. THE EXCEPTION IS TO THE ONE, NOT TO THE TWO. TRUCK SALES OR WHATEVER.

>> I AM SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. I DID NOT HEAR THE LAST PART.

TO FACE THE FRONT, THE FRONT STREET. BUT YOU PROHIBIT THE BAYS FACING TOWARDS THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.

>> IF THERE IS A DECENT -- ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL. A LOT OF

THEM, THERE IS NOT. >> IS THERE A WAY TO PUT THAT THE CITY PREFERS THAT THINGS NOT, I KNOW THAT IT IS NOT, NOTHING WE CAN ENFORCE, BUT IT ALSO GIVES DIRECTION OR

GUIDANCE. >> I TEND TO DISCOURAGE CITIES FROM PUTTING ENCOURAGEMENT LANGUAGE AT A REGULATORY DOCUMENT JUST KEEP IT CLEANER.

>> THEN I THINK PUTTING A LIMITATION OF THE RESIDENTIAL USES IS NOT PRACTICAL. BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY THAT THEY CAN FACE THE STREET, BUT I AM THINKING OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE, TO SAY THAT THEY CANNOT FACE RESIDENCES , I MEAN -- IF EVERYONE IS IN FAVOR OF IT THAN I AM WILLING TO SAY YES, LET'S PUT IT IN THAT IT SHOULD NOT BASE RESIDENTIAL. BUT THEN YOU WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE VARIANCES. WHICH IS FINE WITH ME. I MEAN THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS, OR A LOT OF THIS IS PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> DON'T WE HAVE THE ORDINANCE NOW, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY RESIDENCE, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE LIKE A FENCE,

A FENCE. >> IF IT IS ABUTTING THE

PROPERTY. >> OKAY. SO LET'S SAY WE HAVE A BUSINESS. THE BAYS ARE FACING THE RESIDENCE, BUT THE RESIDENCE IS 400 OR 500 FEET AWAY. BUT STILL FACING IT .

>> UNLESS THE PRIOR OWNER SIGNED A WAIVER SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE SCREEN FENCE.

>> I THINK THAT THIS IS GETTING MORE AND MORE CONFUSING AS WE

GO. >> MY SUGGESTION BASED ON WHAT I HEAR FROM THIS IS TO GO AHEAD AND STRIKE THE STANDARD. AND GO

ON. >> OKAY.

>> ICE -- I SAY THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM.

>> AND THE LAST BULLET, EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THE EXCEPTION FOR THE SEPARATION NOT APPLYING TO ARTERIAL AND

FREEWAYS /EXPRESS >> YOUR KENNEL SEPARATION , SORRY, ANIMAL USE. THE SITE WAS NOT UPDATED. IT IS A 300 FOOT SEPARATION. PAYDAY LOANS, 300, PAWN AND LOAN, 300, OUTDOOR AMUSEMENT, 300. IT HAS THE SAME EXCEPTION FOR THE FRONTAGES THAT YOU SEE WITH OTHERS. ONE THING I WILL NOTE HERE IS THAT YOU STILL HAVE THE SEPARATION FROM SAME USES.

PAYDAY LOANS AND PAWNSHOPS. THAT WAS THE CONSENSUS AT THE PRIOR MEETING. I AM VERIFYING THAT IT IS STILL THE CASE.

Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE SEPARATIONS AND THE SEPARATION,

WITH THE USES. >> WILL YOU CLARIFY OUTDOOR

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COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT? >> TYPICALLY LIKE YOUR , WHAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE? A GO KART TRACK.

>> OUTLAW PASS. >> THAT IS NOT IN THE CITY

LIMITS. >> THERE IS PUTT PUTT . I THINK

THAT WOULD APPLY. >> SAM HOUSTON IS A PRIMARY

ARTERIAL. >> IT IS ALREADY THERE. BUT

THAT IS THE EXAMPLE OF IT. >> SO ONE QUESTION ON THE KENNELS PART OF THIS. YOU HAD SOMETHING UP THERE ABOUT CHANGING IT TO ANIMAL USE FROM KENNEL.

>> YES, THE WAY THAT THE SLIDES ARE, IT IS NOT OUT OF ORDER BUT KIND OF CONFUSING. I THINK IT IS THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT IS GOING TO SHOW -- SO WHAT JULIE AND I TALKED ABOUT TODAY IS THE PROBLEM , AS YOU RECALL FROM THE LAST QUARTERLY MEETING, THIS HAD THE DEFINITION FOR KENNELS THAT WAS DIFFERENT THAN THE DEFINITION UNDER CHAPTER 4, THE ANIMAL ORDINANCE. INSTEAD OF CHANGING THIS, BECAUSE THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, ONE IS LAND USE AND THE OTHER IS ANIMAL CARE, WE DID NOT WANT TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION IN THE UDO. WE THOUGHT WE WOULD CHANGE THE WORD THAT IS BEING DEFINED, SO THAT THE TWO ARE NOT CLASHING. SO IF YOU HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION WE ARE ALL FOR IT. WE DECIDED THAT USING THE PHRASE ANIMAL USE AS WHAT IS BEING DEFINED, BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF THIS CODE IS TO DEFINE LAND USE AND THIS IS LAND BEING USED FOR ANIMALS. WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A GOOD WAY TO TIE THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. SO WHERE IT SAYS KENNELS UNDER A, THAT WOULD ALSO BE CHANGED, IT JUST WAS NOT UPDATED IN THIS. AND THEN WE DO NOT HAVE TWO OPPOSING DEFINITIONS. A PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU GO TO CHAPTER 4, A LOT OF THE PHRASES YOU MAY WANT TO USE FOR ANIMAL BOARDING AND KENNEL, A LOT OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN USED IN THAT SECTION. SO WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THOSE SEPARATE SO THERE IS NO CONFUSION. SO THAT IS WHERE IT COMES FROM. WE ARE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW TO PHRASE

THAT PARTICULAR USAGE. >> YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY WAS TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION, TO MATCH THE DEFINITION IN OUR ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCE. IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS NOT CHANGING THE DEFINITION BUT CHANGING WHAT IS BEING DEFIED. -- DEFINED. TO AVOID THE CONFUSION THAT THEY BROUGHT UP.

>> IF YOU RECALL THERE IS ALSO A VARIANCE , THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THERE ARE CERTAIN EXCEPTIONS THAT WILL ALLOW, IF THEY WANT TO BUILD OUTDOOR KENNELS THAT ARE WITHIN THE DISTANCE, THEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY APPLY FOR. OUR IMPRESSION FROM THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT WE WANT TO KEEP IT THE WAY THAT IT WAS WRITTEN BUT CHANGE THE WORDING

OF WHAT IS BEING DEFINED. >> SAID THE INTENT IS THE SAME.

IT IS JUST

CONFLICT. >> CORRECT. YES, SIR.

>> THAT WAS MY CONCERN WHEN WE BROUGHT IT UP. TO ME THAT

ADDRESSES IT. >> SO IN THE REVISED ONE, YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT ONE. GO BACK. RELEVANT TO KENNELS, IT WOULD

SAY RELEVANT TO ANIMAL USE. >> GOTCHA.

>> I SHOULD HAVE DONE A SEARCH AND FIND FOR ALL.

>> I WAS ON MY WAY HERE. >> THAT WAS THROWING ME OFF.

THE REDLINE THAT WE HAVE STILL SAID KENNELS IN THERE. I WANTED

TO MAKE SURE. >> IT WAS A VERY LAST-MINUTE

CHANGE THIS AFTERNOON. >> NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL SERVICES CHANGE. THAT WAS WITH THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE FUTURE COUNTY JAIL POTENTIALLY.

WE WROTE IN THE EXCEPTION THAT WOULD HELP IT OUT WHEN IT COMES. AND OF COURSE THE WIND AND SOLAR POWER.

>> WHAT IS THE WIND AND SOLAR POWER EXCEPTION? WHAT PAGES IT

ON? OR WHAT IS IT? >> IT IS THE EXCEPTION FROM THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS. FOR THE POWER PLANTS. THAT HAS A 500 FOOT SEPARATION, IF I REMEMBER. RIGHT? ON YOUR CODE.

THAT WOULD BE -- ACTUALLY I HAVE MY LAPTOP IN FRONT OF ME

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AND I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

>> POWER PLANTS BUT YOU MAKE THE EXCEPTION IF THEY ARE WIND

OR SOLAR POWERED. >> THEY HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT

PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTIC. >> OKAY.

>> GOOD TO KNOW. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND WE TALKED ANIMAL USE. IT SEEMS LIKE Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH THAT CHANGE. AND THAT GETS US TO THE PARKING RATIOS.

>> LET ME ASK REALLY QUICK WITH SECTION 26, GOLF COURSE. WE HAVE GOT THE APPROPRIATE CONTROLS LIKE NETTING SHOULD BE INSTALLED TO -- GOLF BALLS. THIS IS NOT TO THE EXISTING

GOLF COURSES NOW ? >> PARKING RATIOS, THIS IS AN ITEM THAT YOU ALL REQUESTED. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT IS IN HERE, YOUR CURRENT DRAFT RELAXES OR MAINTAINS RATIOS . A LOT OF THE FOCUS WAS ON SIMPLIFY. MORE USES, USING THE SAME RATIO. THAT HELPS A LOT. ESPECIALLY IN STRIP CENTERS.

YOU ARE SWAPPING OUT MAYBE A MEDICAL OFFICE AND NOW IT IS A TOY STORE. FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU KEEP THE SAME PARKING RATIO BETWEEN THOSE IT MAKES IT EASIER TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

WHERE THE STRIP CENTER DOES NOT GET TRIPPED UP AND HAMSTRUNG BY THE PARKING RATIO DIFFERENCE. SO THAT IS THE MAIN THING THAT WE FOCUSED ON. WE ALSO MADE UPDATES THROUGHOUT THE DRAFT TO MAKE A FEW ADJUSTMENTS ALONG THOSE SAME LINES. AND ALSO RELAX SOME STANDARDS FURTHER. WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THERE ARE A GROWING NUMBER OF CITIES OPTING TO ELIMINATE MINIMUM PARKING RATIOS. IN FACT I WAS LISTENING TO A PODCAST TODAY ON THE WAY HERE, THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT AUSTIN REMOVING THEIR PARKING RATIOS. THE KEY THING THAT IS PRESENT WITH THOSE CITIES IS THE HIGHLY EFFECTIVE MASS TRANSIT SYSTEM OF SOME KIND. THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF. ALSO IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE AWARE THE MARKET HAS THEIR OWN EXPECTATIONS. BANKS HAVE EXPECTATIONS FOR PARKING.

ON DEVELOPMENT. THAT WILL STILL BE THE CASE. IT TENDS TO DRIVE THINGS. HAVING THE MINIMUM RATIO HELPS WITH THE AN EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER THAT MIGHT PAINT THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER. AND THEN END UP WITH ONE SPACE IN THE STRIP CENTER OCCUPIED BUT IT USES UP SO MUCH OF THE PARKING THAT NOBODY ELSE IS WILLING TO LEASE. WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT IN VICTORIA THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN. THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD THINK ABOUT. THE MINIMUM PARKING RATIO IS THE GREATEST IMPACT TO URBAN DESIGN, FOR THE WAY THINGS WORK. AND ALSO COST AND AVAILABILITY. IT IS PAVEMENT AND THE SOLE PURPOSE IS PUTTING A CAR ON IT AND THERE IS NO REVENUE RECOVERY FOR THE BUSINESS. THOSE ARE THINGS TO BE AWARE OF. YOU CAN LOOK AT ELIMINATING AND FURTHER STRATEGIC REDUCTIONS. I THINK WHERE HE HAVE IT RIGHT NOW IS DIALED IN PRETTY WELL BUT WE ARE OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND CONVERSATIONS.

GOOD. IN MY OPINION, THEY HAVE BEEN TOO HIGH. IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT HAS TO BE PUT OUT AT THESE

ESTABLISHMENTS. >> THESE ARE MINIMUMS.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> I THINK THEY NEED TO BE REDUCED. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK AS YOU SAID IT IS 100% GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IS GOING IN THERE. AS TO HOW IT IS GOING TO WORK. I THINK REDUCING THEM IS BETTER. LESS COST FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND ACTUALLY PUT IN A BUSINESS.

AS FAST FOOD, AS FAR AS RETAIL. EVERYTHING. AND THE USE OF PARKING IS NOT AS NEEDED . AND YOU ARE RIGHT, IN REGARDS TO DEVELOPMENT AND COST AND RETURN ON INVESTMENT. SO THE LOWERING OF THE STANDARDS OF , I AM IN FULL FAVOR OF.

>> AGREED. >> ALSO I WILL MENTION THAT WE HAVE A FEW OTHER TOOLS BUILT INTO YOUR DRAFT UDO AS WELL.

ONE IS THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, SOMETHING YOU HAVE NOW. YOU ALSO HAVE THE PROVISION WHERE THE LARGE PROJECTS CAN SUBMIT A STUDY TO THE DIRECTOR FOR APPROVAL TO JUSTIFY OTHER REDUCED PARKING RATIO. THAT IS NOT SUPER COMMON BUT IT DOES HAPPEN ON TIME TO TIME. THOSE ARE USUALLY ECCENTRIC USES, COLLEGES OR THINGS LIKE THAT , THAT CAN BE UNUSUAL. YOU HAVE

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HISTORIC STRUCTURES, THAT IS IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY THIS BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, THE BIGGEST THREAT TO HISTORIC RESOURCES IS VACANCY. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT THE THING THAT STOPS THEM. AND THEN YOU HAVE JOINT PARKING FACILITIES AND SHARED PARKING AS WELL. YOU HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN WITH THE CODE TO WORK AROUND

THE EDGES AS WELL. >> WITH THIS, AS A REAL-LIFE EXAMPLE, WITH THIS FACILITATE THE PROCESS AND VARIANCE

GRANTED FOR MITCHELL SCHOOL? >> YES, BECAUSE THE CURRENT EXEMPTION IS ONLY THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THIS EXPANDS IT TO THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON PARKING? ALL RIGHT. THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE ON THE LIST TO BRING UP WAS BILLBOARDS. WE DID NOT ALTER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS ON THIS. WE JUST BROUGHT THEM IN AND REORGANIZE THEM. THIS WAS FOUND IN SECTION 21-230. BILLBOARDS ARE ALLOWED BUT THERE IS A RELATIVELY LONG LIST OF SEPARATION DISTANCES REQUIRED. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY RESULTING IN WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE EFFECTIVE PROHIBITION. PLACES WHERE YOU COULD PUT A BILLBOARD ARE SO RARE THAT YOU ARE NOT GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF REQUESTS. IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> YES. >> THERE IS A RELOCATION PROVISION, IF YOU TAKE DOWN THREE AND YOU CAN PUT UP ONE IN A MORE ADVANTAGEOUS SPACE. THAT IS A GOOD PROVISION TO HAVE ANY GOOD WAY TO ELIMINATE OLDER BILLBOARDS THAT ARE NOT IN AS GREAT OF A CONDITION , MAYBE IN CERTAIN LOCATIONS THAT ARE MORE INTRUSIVE. ONE THING TO NOTE THOUGH IS IF YOU ARE THINKING OF A CERTIFICATION, PROHIBITION ON BILLBOARDS IS USUALLY REQUIREMENT. SUCH AS SOMETHING JUST TO BE AWARE OF. YOU COULD CONSIDER SHIFTING THIS TO A PROHIBITION SET UP AND KEEP OPTIONS OPEN FOR RELOCATION, OR KEEP IT CRUISING OPEN AS IT IS. WE BROUGHT YOU THE OPPORTUNITY

TO CHOOSE YOUR PATH. >> I DO NOT WANT ANY NEW BILLBOARDS IN TOWN. I WILL PUT IT RIGHT OUT THERE. NOBODY ELSE WILL SPEAK. AND RELOCATION IS FINE. YOU KNOW, IF ONE IS OLD. BUT I DO NOT WANT NEW BILLBOARDS IN TOWN. I AM SORRY.

AND YES, IT IS A BUSINESS THAT PEOPLE HAVE. AND YES, THEY BUY THE LAND. AND YES, I AM PROHIBITING THE USE OF BILLBOARD ON THEIR LAND. I THINK NO MORE BILLBOARDS IN

VICTORIA. >> I LIKE IT LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE HAVE EFFECTIVELY SHUT DOWN THE BILLBOARDS. -- ON PLANNING COMMISSION LIKE I DID AND I THINK WE GOT A NICE SOLUTION IN THERE THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A BILLBOARD GOT PERMITTED?

>> ASK RICK. >> YOU DON'T REMEMBER EITHER.

>> THERE WAS ONE -- >> YEARS AS I HAVE BEEN A DIRECTOR. WITHIN THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS, FOR SURE.

>> UNDERCURRENT REVIEW. THEY DO COME OCCASIONALLY.

>> I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH MR. LOFFGREN. I DO DISAGREE WITH HIM OFTEN, BUT I DO NOT ON THIS.

>> CURRENTLY LOOKING AT SCENIC CITY CERTIFICATION, I DON'T THINK. BUT WE ARE ALSO CUTTING OURSELVES OFF FROM THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO IMPACT VERY MUCH OF ANYTHING. IS WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD AN APPLICATION? AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE OTHER THINGS OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING USED. THIS IS KIND OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A COUPLE GOOD

THINGS LIKE THAT. >> PLESSIS. -- BLESS YOU.

ABOUT THE REST OF YOU? >> I GUESS I LOOK AT IT AS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF NEW BILLBOARDS BEING PLACED IN PERMITTED IN THE CITY. I MEAN WE ARE TALKING MAYBE ONE OVER 5 TO 10 YEARS.

>> IF I HAD TO GUESS I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY MORE LOCATIONS THAT COULD BUT THE MARKET IS PRETTY SATURATED.

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>> I THINK WHAT I AM HITTING ON, AT LEAST IN THE PRESENTATION, THAT THERE IS A PRACTICAL PROHIBITION. IF IT IS ALREADY IN PLACE , YOU KNOW, TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS WORKING.

WITH WHAT WE HAVE. >> IS THE RELOCATION PROVISION AT THE 1 TO 3 RATIO, IS THAT EXISTING?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE THE REPLACEMENT PROVISION RIGHT

NOW. >> IT MAKES SENSE, IF NOT COMPLETELY BANNING THEM, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER BILLBOARDS OVER TIME WITH THE RELOCATION PROVISION.

-- I KNOW. BUT I MEANT CURRENTLY. LIKE NOT BE UDO. MY QUESTION WAS IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT EXISTED

CURRENTLY. >> IT DOES NOT EXIST CURRENTLY, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW THAT WORKS EITHER, BECAUSE I HAVE

NOT READ IT ENOUGH TIMES. >> IT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME WHETHER THE PROVISION WAS IN THERE OR NOT.

>> IT IS A NEW PROVISION. >> OKAY. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE

PROVISION? >> PLEASE KEEP IT. IT IS A

GREAT PROVISION. >> BUT NOT THE COMPLETE MAN BECAUSE IT IS PRACTICALLY HAPPENING ANYWAY.

>> CORRECT. >> WHEN WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH CITIES , WE WILL HAVE THE OPPOSITE CONVERSATION AND I WILL BRING IN A PERSON FROM THE BILLBOARD INDUSTRY. OUR PART OF THE ROLE IS TO CHALLENGE AND MAKE SURE YOU THINK ABOUT IT. THAT WORKED WELL. ALL RIGHT. THOSE WERE OUR BIG THREE ITEMS. THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED. AS FAR AS THE NEXT STEPS, THIS WAS THE CITY MANAGER REPORT. I THINK THAT I HAVE THEM LISTED CORRECTLY FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD READINGS.

AND THE THIRD READING ABLE TO DETERMINE THE EFFECTIVE DATE.

THREE READINGS? I MEAN I DON'T REMEMBER VOTING ON IT.

>> IT IS NOT A VOTE. >> CAN WE CHANGE IT TO DOING THE SECOND AND THIRD READING TOGETHER?

>> I WANT TO HAVE THE THREE READINGS.

>> AS A GROUP. >> OKAY.

>> ULTIMATELY AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR DECISION, YOUR PREROGATIVE ON HOW YOU WANT TO GO ABOUT THE TIMELINE. I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME OTHER TOPICS THAT HAVE BEEN EMAILED TO US. SO WE ARE REALLY JUST TRYING TO LOOK FOR CLEAR DIRECTION. THIS WAS OUR STAFF ATTEMPT AT PUTTING A TIMELINE BASED OFF AND KNOWING THE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED TODAY. BUT AGAIN WE ARE OPEN TO YOUR

DIRECTION. >> I COULD PROBABLY SPEAK WITH MS. -- ON THURSDAY OR FRIDAY. JUST GO THROUGH THE NEXT LIST, WHICH SHOULD BE IN FOR COMMENTS. TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS GLARING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS

AS COUNCIL. >> ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS THE

PERK FEES AT ANOTHER TIME? >> COMPLETELY FOR NOW, WE HAVE PARKED THAT TO HAPPEN LATER. MY OPINION WOULD BE TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR ON BOARD. SO THAT WE HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL PERSON AT THE TABLE. WHEN WE DISCUSSED THAT.

WHICH OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT WHILE LONGER BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, IF YOU SAW MY EMAIL. SO FOR NOW WE HAVE PARKED THAT TO COME BACK LATER.

>> CAN I ASK ONE THING? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MULTIPLE DRAFTS , DRAFT VERSIONS.

NOT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM LOOKING AT THE FINAL VERSION. I AM KIND OF OLD SCHOOL. CAN WE GET LIKE THE END REDLINED THAT SHOWS WHAT WE HAD, AND WHAT WE ARE CHANGING, TO THE NEXT VERSION THAT WE WILL BE VOTING ON?

>> YES. WE WILL KEEP RUNNING REDLINES.

>> OKAY. I THINK THAT WILL HELP. SOME REDLINES THAT WE HAVE INCLUDE PRIOR CHANGES TO THE EXISTING -- I WANT TO SEE WHAT ALL THE CHANGES ARE TO THE EXISTING LAST DOCUMENT. I

THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> LIKE CHANGES TO THE EXISTING

CODE? THAT IS NOT TRACKED. >> BECAUSE IT WAS WHOLESALE.

THE CONCEPT WAS MOVED OVER BUT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE WAS CHANGED. WE DO NOT HAVE THE CHANGES FROM THE EXISTING.

>> OKAY. CAN YOU DO ONE THEN FROM THE INITIAL DRAFT OF THIS?

RIGHT NOW. >> FROM WHAT WE PUBLISHED, THE FIRST TO NOW, THAT IS WHAT THIS IS. IT DOES NOT ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED. WITH LIKE ANIMAL USE. WE WILL FIX THOSE. FROM FIRST READING UNTIL NOW, IT HAS EVERYTHING

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DISCUSSED TODAY. >> OKAY. SEND ME THAT AND LET ME LOOK AT IT. IF I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS I WILL REACH OUT.

THANK YOU. >> MR. GARZA, YOU SAID YOU HAD OTHER ISSUES SENT TO YOU. ANYTHING ELSE OF SUBSTANCE THAT

WE HAVE NOT YET DISCUSSED? >> I JUST SENT IT TO HIM.

>> THE ATTACHMENT WAS NOT ATTACHED TO THE EMAIL YOU SENT.

>> WE KNOW THAT WE RECEIVED FOLLOW-UP COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMEMBER CROCKER SENT OVER THIS AFTERNOON. THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE THE QUESTION OR REQUEST COME FROM. THERE ARE THINGS THAT HE BROUGHT UP THAT ARE IN THE EXISTING CODE. SUCH AS HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. BUT IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE KNOW OF WHAT IS IN THERE NOW, YOU KNOW, IT IS HARD TO DISCERN WHAT IS ACTUALLY NEW. WHICH IS PROBABLY AT THE CORE OF YOUR REQUEST . TO SEE A MASTER REDLINE. SO WE RECEIVE SOME OF THAT AND I THOUGHT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW SOME THAT THE MAYOR FORWARDED TODAY. WE ARE NOT SURE.

>> I CAN SHARE IT WITH EVERYBODY, IT IS NOT A PROBLEM.

>> SO WE CAN THINK ABOUT IT. I SPOKE WITH JULIE BUT I HAD A COUPLE TYPOGRAPHICAL OR GRAMMATICAL CHANGES.

>> WE ALREADY GOT THOSE. >>

>> GOOD. INCLUDING TONIGHT CONVERSATION. THANKS.

>> I WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT FROM THE COMPUTER. AND I

WILL GET IT TO Y'ALL. >> ANYTHING FROM MEMORY?

>> ABOUT A THIRD WAY THROUGH NO.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR CITY

[H. EXECUTIVE SESSIONS]

MANAGER REPORT/WORK SESSION. WE WILL HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND IT IS 6:22 NOW. WE WILL RECESS UNTIL 6:30 P.M.

THEN WE WILL START EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>> THE COUNCIL WILL RECESS TO EXECUTIVE SESSION,

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Jan 02, 2024 City Council

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