Jul 10, 2023 Parks Commission

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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GOOD AFTERNOON. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE JULY MEETING OF THE PARKS COMMISSION TO ORDER.

FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE GOT, FIRST OFF WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A FULL COMMISSION.

PRETTY CLOSE. LET'S BEGIN WITH CITIZEN

[B. Citizen Communication:]

MR. OLIVER WOULD YOU LIKE TO, IS HE HERE?

>> THAT WAS FOR THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE LATER ON IN THE AGENDA. IT SAYS YMCA AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 I BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT MR. OLIVER WAS GOING TO BE SPEAKING

TO. >> CHAIR: YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT. OKAY I'M SORRY THAT IS FINE.

NYONE ELSE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? EVEN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE PART OF THE PARKS COMMITTEE STAFF WHO WANT TO ADDRESS THIS DECISION CAN DO SO BUT NOBODY

[1. Adoption of Minutes]

THE MINUTES ARE ATTACHED TO THE PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED LAST

WEEK. >> THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT

WERE RECORDED. >> YES, CORRECTIONS YOU WOULD

LIKE TO MAKE? >> YES SIR.AGAIN ON THE OTHER BUSINESS LAST MEETING I REQUESTED THAT ALL COMMISSIONERS WERE SHARED WITH THE PARKS LIST THE PARC LIST AND IT IS AN ACCUMULATIVE OF MY SERVICE HERE AS A PARKS COMMISSIONER I WANTED TO SHARE THOSE ITEMS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND YOU AGREE THAT WE WOULD DO THAT AND YOU WOULD SEND OUT A LIST BUT IT GOT RECORDED INCORRECT LEE ON THE MINUTES AND NOTHING WAS SENT OUT TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT

FROM LAST TIME. >> CHAIR: I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT ADDED ON HERE. WE DO HAVE PRINTOUTS FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY GETTING OFF OF THE PRINTER SO WE CAN HAND IT OFF TO YOU.

WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE PARKS INTEGRATION INTEGRATION UPDATE.

> WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ITEMS TO VIEW BEFORE THE MEETING SOO IT MAKES IT HARD FOR US TO DISCUSS ITEMS THAT NO ONONE HAS GOTTEN TO REVIEW. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> CHAIR: NOTED.ED. >> COMMISSIONER: ALSO ON OTHER BUSINESS WEE DISCUSSED THE NEED FOR THE CITY POOL AND THAT DID NOT MAKE IT ONTO THE AGENDA ITEM.

IT DID NOT MAKE IT ONTO THE REPORT.

>> CHAIR: IT DID NOT MAKE IT TO THE MINUTES OR CURRENT

AGENDA? >> COMMISSIONER: IT DID NOT MAKE IT ON THE REPORT FOR THE LAST FOR THE LAST MEETING.

IT IS NOT LISTED ON THE MINUTES AND WE HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION

ABOUT IT. >> CHAIR: WE CAN MAKE THAT

CHANGE AND CORRECT IT. >> COMMISSIONER: IS THERE REASON WHY THESE ARE GETTING LISTED? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE LEASE THIRD TIME I'VE ASKED FOR THIS TO BE ON THE AGENDA AND LOOK IT IS HANDED TO MENO.

WE WANT TO REVIEW THIS BEFORE HAND.

>> I UNDERSTAND IT IS MY FAULT.

APOLOGIES FOR THAT YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DISCUSS IT DURING THE PARKS AND RECREATION EVENT.

>> CHAIR: LET'S TAKE THAT UP DURING THE UPDATE AND FOR PURPOSES ON WHAT IS BEFORE THE COMMISSION RIGHT NOW IS THE CHANGES TO THE MINUTES. JUST CUT YOU THINK, DID YOU CAPTURE THOSE CHANGES? OKAY.

DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHANGES WERE TO THE MINUTES? DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE

THE MINUTES AS AMENDED? >> COMMISSIONER: YES.

>> CHAIR: IS THERE A SECOND? >> COMMISSIONER: I WILL SECOND

. >> CHAIR: ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE . ANY OPPOSED? GOOD. WE WILL MOVE ON TO -SORRY, OTHER BUSINESS. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ITEMS IT

[1. Park Signage Discussion - HALFF Associates]

>> SPEAKER: YES, GOOD EVENING MISSION.

WE HAVE HAD HALF ASSOCIATES MR. AARON COOPER ONLINE FOR US HERE HE IS ON THE SCREEN ABOVE YOU OR BEHIND YOU OR IN FRONT OF YOU HOWEVER IT WORKS. YOU MAY RECALL AARON COOPER WAS

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WE HAD SPOKE TO THE COMMISSION A COUPLE MEETINGS BACK ABOUT ENGAGING WITH THE INJURY SIGNS AND SECONDARY SCIENCE.

WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID WE HAVE AARON COOPER ON THE LINE HE IS HERE TO CHAT WITH THE COMMISSION A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE SIGNS AND I BELIEVE A POTENTIAL LOCATION.

I WILL HAND IT OVER TO AARON AND LET HIM TAKE IT AWAY.

>> THANK YOU JASON. IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE DID THE PARKS FASTER PLAN AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE THOSE EFFORTS RESULTING IN SOME UPDATES TO THE PARK AND IMPROVEMENTS.

AS JASON HAD MENTIONED WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT THE SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT RIVERSIDE PARK AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO NAVIGATE AND FIND THEIR WAY AROUND RIVERSIDE PARK AND ONE OF THE MORE PRESSING SIGN ISSUES WITHIN THE PARK IS THE DOG PARK. AS YOU KNOW THE DOG PARK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THERE HAVE BEEN FUNDS RAISED RECENTLY AND VERY SUCCESSFULLY FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE BRICKS TO BE IN COOPERATED INTO THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK.

WHAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU TODAY IS THE VERY FIRST BLUSH, ONE IMAGE YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN BEFORE OUT OF THE PARKS PLAN WHICH HAS BEEN GETTING GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY STAFF.

I WILL SHOW THAT ONE AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS AND THIS IS US THROWING STUFF THE WALL IN SEEING WHAT STICKS WITH YOU ALL TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY STRONG FEELINGS FOR ONE OF THE OTHER OR TWO OR THREE. YES.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.

>>> CAN YOU ALL CONFIRM THAT YOU CAN SEE THIS?

>> YES. >> WONDERFUL.

SO, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY SEEN BEFORE.

WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER SOME MARKETING AND THERE WAS NOT A SIGN YET FOR THE DOG PARK CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

THIS IS A VERY TRADITIONAL COLUMN THAT WOULD HAVE MASONRY VENEER AT THE BOTTOM WITH SOME BRICK ON TOP OF THE VENEER AND THEN A REALLY NICE BIG PARK CONNECTING THE TWO COLUMNS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH AND REALLY CREATING THAT FORMAL SINCE OF INJURY. IN TALKING WITH THE MANUFACTURERS OF BRICKS IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO BE YOUR CLAY-BASED BRICK WHICH SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A MASONRY FACADE LIKE WERE SHOWING IN THIS IMAGE.

SO WHAT WE CAN CALL THIS IS OPTION A.

WE'VE GOT A SECOND OPTION AND THIS ONE IS A LOT MORE CONTEMPORARY AND THIS IS REALLY USING LIMESTONE VENEER ON ALL OF THESE COLUMNS AND HAVING A SLIGHTLY TALLER ONE CAN MAYBE

HAVE A PLAQUE ON IT. THEN, >> WOULD BE USED IN CHILE AS SORT OF THIS THRESHOLD. RUNNING ALONG THE LENGTH OF THAT ENTRY. IT IS SORT OF LIKE A PHYSICAL OBJECT THAT YOU ARE PASSING ACROSS ON YOUR WAY INTO THE PARK. AND THEN SEE IS MODERN AS WELL.

IT CAN BE BRICK ALONG THE BASE OF THESE COLUMNS.

IT CAN BE A CAST STONE WHICH COULD ALSO BE ENGRAVED AND MAYBE THERE IS AN OPTION TO HAVE DIFFERENT MATERIAL ENGRAVED A POTENTIAL FOR OTHER PLAQUES AND EMBELLISHMENTS ON THE COLUMNS BUT THIS IS A BIT MORE GEOMETRIC AND CONTEMPORARY HAVING THAT GRANDSONS OF ENTRY THE OVERHEAD BEAM WITH RIVERSIDE PARK ACROSS THE TOP. BUT REALLY, THESE ARE JUST

THREE SHOTS IN THE DARK. >> COMMISSIONER: CAN WE SEE

NUMBER 1? >> SPEAKER: THERE'S NO PARTICULAR THEME THAT NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED WITH THIS.

WE WILL PROBABLY BE SETTING THEME OF WAY SIGNAGE THROUGHOUT

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THIS IS YELLS PARK AND YELLS DIVISION I AM JUST AN

INSTRUMENT TO HELP REACH IT. >> COMMISSIONER: CAN WE SEE

NUMBER 1 AGAIN? >> SPEAKER: YES.

IT MIGHT HELP IF I ZOOM IN. I KNOW YOUR SCREEN IS BIG.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE BEST?

>> SPEAKER: I LIKE NUMBER 1 OF THE BRICKS FROM THE PILLARS THAT WE CAN INCORPORATES AS WELL AS DOWN THE CENTERLINE A BIT. THINKING ABOUT DOGS THE EGRESS AND EXIT IF YOU HAVE DOGS GOING BACK AND FORTH AND YOU HAVE THEM IN A TIGHT SPACE THAT COULD BE AN AREA FOR CONFLICT.

I WONDERED ABOUT ALL OF THEM LOOKING SIMILAR WITH THE EGRESS AND HOW IT WORKS BUT AS FAR AS DESIGN I AM PARTIAL TO NUMBER

1. >> I LIKE NUMBER 1 AS WELL THE ONLY THING I WOULD CHANGE IS THE PLAQUE THAT WOULD COVER UP THE BRICK NAMES. WE NEED THE PLAQUE TO BE ITS OWN. HAVE THE BRICKS CLOSED OR CAN

THEY STILL BE PURCHASED? >> COMMISSIONER: I SAW ON FACEBOOK THAT THEY CLOSED SEVERAL DAYS AGO SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY BRICKS THERE ARE BECAUSE IN THE INITIAL THE INITIAL PLAN WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THEM ON THE COLUMNS AND NOT ON THE GROUND SO MAYBE WE HAVE TO

FIGURE OUT HOW MANY THERE ARE. >> COMMISSIONER: WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO GET THE ENTRY DONE? WHEN ARE WE THINKING ABOUT

STARTING THE ENTRYWAY? >> SPEAKER: WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS IN THE HANDS BY THE FIRST PART OF AUGUST. MAYBE MID AUGUST SO WE CAN GET CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED SOMETIME IN OCTOBER.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHEN I WAS IN THIRD GRADE THEY PUT IN THE CHILDREN'S PARK AND THAT'S WHEN THEY PUT IN THE BRICKS ALONG THE PATHWAY WHICH WE KNOW IS SETTLED EVERY TIME.

THEY HELD UP FOR A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME.

WERE TALKING 30 YEARS, RIGHT? THOSE BRICKS THEY WERE $20 BACK IN A WERE REALLY COOL BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS PIECE OF BEING IN THE PARK AND WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THEM THROUGH THE SCHOOL AND THAT WOULD REALLY PROMOTE THE RICK SALES.

IF WE COULD REOPEN THEM WE COULD PROBABLY GET MORE BRICKS.

>> SPEAKER: THE LAST TIME WE TALKED TO MRS. DRAIN AND KIMBERLY CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.

AARON, I KNOW YOU HAD SPOKEN WITH HER LATE LAST WEEK.

SHE GIVE A NUMBER R OF WHERE SH WAS AT A CHANCE?

>> SPEAKER: I SPOKE TO HER AN HOUR AGO THERE ARE ABOUT THREE NIFTY BRICKS AND THEY HAVE NOT CLOSED IT I BELIEVE.

BUT SHE WAS SAYING OH, I NEED TO CLOSE THAT AS IT WAS A VERY

SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN. >> SPEAKER: HOW MANY BRICKS DO YOU THINK YOU COULD PUT IN THE COLUMN OF THIS DESIGN?

>> SPEAKER: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOTH FACES.

ALL FOUR SIDES. WE ARE PROBABLY RIGHT AT THAT THREE AND 50 CAPACITY WE HAD BEEN PLANNING FOR 200 SO WE CAN ON SOME QUICK STUDIES AND SEE HOW THAT CAN AFFECT THE CURRENT SIZE OF THE COLUMNS. LIKE THE LIMESTONE VENEER MIGHT

HAVE TO GO AWAY. >> YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT THEM ON ALL FOUR SIDES WOULD YOU CONNECT MAYBE ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK BUT NOT ON THE SIDE.

>> IT WOULD BE HARD ON THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR IF THERE'S NO

METAL BANDS IN THEIR. >> COMMISSIONER: WAS THERE ANY TALK ABOUT SOMETHING TO PUT THE BRICKS TO?

A LIGHT POLE? >> COMMISSIONER: IT IS NOT ON

THE DIAGRAM. >> SPEAKER: THE MAIN POLE IS NOT EXISTING, CORRECT? IT COULD BE USED AS A PAVER AROUND THAT MAYBE LIKE A BIG RING OF PAVERS OR A FORMAL KIND OF WALKWAY WITH SEATING AROUND AROUND IT OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. >> COMMISSIONER: YES.

>> COMMISSIONER: THERE WAS ALSO, SPEAKING TO ASHLEY'S POINT OF THE SIGN OF PUTTING A MEMORIAL SIGN IN THE PARK TO FACE THE PARK WAS THAT STILL IN FLUX?

>> SPEAKER: WE CAN GO WHATEVER ROUTE WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS.

THE OTHER COMMENT I WAS GOING TO MAKE WERE ALONG THE SAME

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IF WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THE MEMORIAL SIGN AWAY AND OFF OF THE COLUMN IT GIVES US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR ANOTHER COLUMN IN ESSENCE YOU COULD USE THE BRICKS FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA AS WELL. ANOTHER OPTION TO USE THE

BRICKS UP. >> I ALSO THINK THE COMMISSIONER MADE A MENTION OF ENTRANCE AND EXIT SPEED JUST WALKING A DOG ON THE PATH WITH OTHER DOGS CAN BE QUITE TRYING AT TIMES. OTHER PARKS I'VE SEEN HAVE ENTRANCES AWAY FROM EACH OTHER FOR A BIG DOG OR LITTLE DOGS THEY DON'T CROSS EACH OTHER'S PATH.

>> THIS LOOKS REALLY NICE. IT REALLY DOES IT LOOKS GREAT.

>> COMMISSIONER: IT LOOKS REALLY PRETTY.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE BRICKS CAN BE MADE OF - BENCHES CAN BE

MADE OF BRICKS AS WELL. >> YOU MENTIONED THE SIGNAGE OF THE ENTIRE PARK. THIS COULD BE SORT OF STARTING US DOWN A PARTICULAR PATH IN THAT REGARD.

YOU KNOW FOR THE FUTURE DESIGN WORK THAT WOULD HINGE OFF OF

THIS. >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT ALTOGETHER BUT BECAUSE OF THE URGENCY TO GET THIS DONE WE ARE FAST TRACKING IT AND IT IS SETTING THE TONE OF ALL THE OTHER SIGNAGE.

>> CHAIR: YOU MAY RECALL AND AARON YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME OUT WITH THIS ONE BUT IN THE MASTER PLAN WE HAD THE PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SIGN AND IN THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT AARON HAD SHOWN. ONE IS AN ARCH AND ONE THAT WAS FLATTER STRAIGHT ACROSS THE TOP.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SECONDARY SIGNAGE ARE YOU LOOKING AT JUST KEEPING THE FONT AND THE COLOR SCHEME? OR HOW WOULD THIS PRIMARY SIGNAGE WORK ON THE SECONDARY

SIGNAGE? >> SPEAKER: SO, PART OF THE SCOPE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO CONFIRM WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE ANY PEOPLE INTO RIVERSIDE THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES, RIGHT? MORE OF AV VEHICULAR ENTRANCE WITH THAT LARGE SCALE SIGNAGE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ALSO AS THE VEHICLE GOES THROUGH RIVERSIDE IT GOES TO A STOP SIGN AND WHAT KIND OF DIRECTIONAL INFORMATION ARE WE SEEING THERE? IT'S A PRIMARY AND SECONDARY FOR VEHICLES, PRIMARY AND SECONDARY FOR PEDESTRIANS. THERE'S ACTUAL SIGNAGE FOR DIFFERENT USES WITHIN RIVERSIDE PARK POTENTIALLY.

THIS IS WHAT -BECAUSE OVERSIGHT IS SUCH A LARGE PARK ANY OF F T SEVERAL PARKS WITHIN YOU HAVE THE ROSE GARDEN YOU HAVE THE BARK PARK YOU THE PENINSULAS THE DISC GOLF COURSE SO IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE PARKS WITHIN THE PARK.

THIS COULD BE THAT TYPE OF SECONDARY SIGNAGE WHERE IT IS DEFINING THAT AREA. THE DUCK POND WHICH IS BEING RENOVATED. SO, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WHATEVER WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE OR WHATEVER IS HAPPENING WOULD BE REPLICATED AT THE DUCK POND OR ROSE GARDEN POTENTIALLY WITH

THE DIFFERENT AND SLOWS. >> COMMISSIONER: YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF THE SECONDARY SCIENCE?

>> SPEAKER: NO. WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET.

WE KNEW IT WAS A HOT BUTTON SO WE WANTED TO JUMP ON THIS ONE

FIRST. >> COMMISSIONER: SO YOUR SECONDARY SCIENCE WOULD BE THE ENTRANCE TO GROVERS BEND AND

FOXES BEND? >> SPEAKER: YES MA'AM.

THE THOUGHT BEHIND THE SECONDARY SIGNAGE IS LIKE YOU SAID, THE SMALLER AND AMENITIES AND THEN EVEN LIKE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. WE COULD USE THAT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PRIMARY ENTRYWAY LIKE YOU DO WITH ETHYLENE TRACY THOSE ARE THE ARCHER PARKS AND EVEN HOPKINS PARK HAS A PRIMARY ENTRYWAY.

SO YES, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE PRIMARY AND THE SECONDARY.

>> CHAIR: AS A MATTER OF GIVING A SENSE OF WHETHER HE IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK OR NOT ON THE RIGHT TRACK I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO VOTE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A MOTION THAT

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>> SPEAKER: JASON, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF RESPONSE.

WE LIKE THIS ONE GENERALLY. DON'T SHOW THAT ONCE ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF THIS ROOM. BUT EVENTUALLY WE WILL BE TAKING THE COUNCIL TO SHOW THEM HERE ARE THREE CONCEPTS AND WE ARE READY FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. I THINK -JASON, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT THE COUNCIL MAKE THE FINAL CALL FOR THE FANATIC

DEVELOPMENTS OF THE SIGN. >> DID THEY OFFICIALLY RENAME IT RIVERSIDE PARK ARE WE DONE WITH THAT END TO THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO APPROVE THE NAME?

>> WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT OF NAMING.

IT'S BEEN THE HEAD NOD TO RIVERSIDE PARK AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING ON EVERYTHING TO HAVE THAT

CONTINUITY. >> COMMISSIONER: WE HAD A LONG

MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER: WE DID HAVE A FEW MEETINGS ON THAT ONE. EACH MEETING WAS A DIFFERENT DECIDING FACTOR. SO IT WAS LIKE WE RENAMED IT AND THEN WE WENT BACK AT IT AND THEN IT WAS A RENAMED AND IT WAS NOT UP TO US BECAUSE IT WAS UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE

THE DECISION. >> COMMISSIONER: IF YOU GOOGLE RIVERSIDE PARK SEVERAL PARKS COME UP I THINK IT'S ALL IN THE GOOGLE LISTING IF YOU JUST TAG IT VICTORIA SHE'S OKAY WITH

THAT NAME. >> SPEAKER: THERE ARE TONS OF PARKS SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TAGGING IT VICTORIA OR BTX.

I THINK, CHAIR KEELING WHAT WERE LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT IT WHAT DO YOU NOT. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE MASTER PLAN WE CAME UP WITH KC AND MLK.

TELL US WHAT YOU LIKE WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO CHANGE LET'S LOOK AT CHANGING IT NOW.

IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE BAND, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

COMMISSIONER MAGEE YOU MENTIONED THE SIGNAGE IN GETTING THE SIGNAGE OFF. ALL THOSE LITTLE DETAILS ARE THINGS WE WANT TO KNOW AND HOW YOU FEEL SO IT MAKES AARON'S

LIFE EASIER ON THE BACKEND. >> AB THAT MEMORIAL CAN BE FRONT AND CENTER IN THE GATED AREA OR INSIDE THE PARK AROUND MAPLE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT A SPECIAL AREA. AND MR. AARON IF YOU TALK TO THEM TODAY AND THEY HAVE THREE HAD 50 BRICKS IS THAT WHY YOU MADE THE SPACE DOWN AT THE FRONT OF THE ENTRY WAY TO COVER THE BRICKS SPACE? I'M TRYING TO LOOK OVER AT YOU

BUT YOU ARE ON THE COMPUTER. >> SPEAKER: I THINK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA HERE. WE WANTED D TO SHOW THE MATERIA TO THE PARTICULAR PLANE. LIKE DOING THAT RIGHT STICKING TO THE SAME MATERIAL AND THINGS.

IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WE COULD USE THEM THERE DEPENDING HOW MANY THERE ARE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

>> CAN I SEE NUMBER 3? >> COMMISSIONER: DID THE FAMILY HAVE ANY DIRECTION ON WHERE THEY WANTED THE BRICKS?

>> SPEAKER: NO MA'AM. RIGINALLY SHE MENTIONED LAYING THE BRICKS ON THE GROUND AND WE BROUGHT UP THE MAINTENANCE STEEL AND THEY WERE PRETTY OKAY WITH ADDING IT TO THE COLUMNS. WE MADE THE SUGGESTION TO THEM.

AND THEY WERE OKAY WITH THAT. THEY WANT TO HAVE THE LESS AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE FOR THOSE BRICKS AS POSSIBLE.

>> COMMISSIONER: SO THEY WILL HAVE THE LONGEST LONGEVITY?

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

IF WE HAVE THE SAY AS THE COMMISSION I SUGGEST WE DON'T SHOW ANYBODY NUMBER 2. CAN YOU GO BACK TO NUMBER 2? I THINK IT IS LOVELY I DON'T THINK IT LOOKS LIKE VICTORIA.

IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE.

I SUGGEST WE DON'T SHOW THAT ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT, AARON BUT GOING BACK TO NUMBER 3 I WANT TO POINT OUT ABOUT THAT ONE WHICH I LIKE NUMBER 1 THE BEST BUT ON NUMBER 3 I LIKE THE TEXTURED CONCRETE SQUARES. I THINK ON THE HORIZONTAL PLANE IT SETS OFF THE ENTRY SO THE ENTRY WALKWAY AND ALSO I LIKE

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>> RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE IZZY SIGN IN ANOTHER POSSIBILITY WOULD BE OVER TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT BEHIND ONE OF THE SEAT WALLS OR INCHES. I ASSUME THAT THE BENCHES WILL BE STONE OF SOME SORT? THOSE BENCHES COULD BE AGAIN

LIKE IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO ONE. >> THE SIGN IS, THE POST IS BEHIND IT BUT THE SIGN FACES IN THE FRONT.

I THINK IT IS ON THE FRONT. >> COMMISSIONER: THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE. MY BAD.

>> SPEAKER: IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS BACK BEHIND THERE.

IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A POST THE HIND IT.

>> COMMISSIONER: I TOTALLY MISSED IT I THOUGHT IT WAS PART

OF THE DOG OR THE POODLE. >> SPEAKER: YES.

THAT SIGN IS ATTACHED TO THIS HORIZONTAL BAR.

>> COMMISSIONER: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER: IF WE COULD MOVE THAT BACK TO THE MIDDLEE MIDDLE?

>> CHAIR: DO YOU LIKE IT BETTER THERE?

>> COMMISSIONER: I LIKE IT IN THAT VICINITY.

IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO WHAT WORKS WITH THE ENTRYWAY BUT IN THAT VICINITY I LIKE GOOD IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE BACKSIDE OF THE SIGNAGE OR IS IT GOING TO BE BLACK? ANYTHING FROM KEEPING THE GRAFFITI HAPPEN.

AND THEN CAN YOU GO BACK TO NUMBER 1 PLEASE? I REALLY LIKE THE ARCHED SIGNAGE.

I THINK IT IS WAY MORE INVITING.

I THINK IT REALLY OPENS UP THE SPACE AS YOU WALK IN ESPECIALLY WITH THE GREEN AWNING UNDERNEATH IT.

LIKE ASHLEY SAID WITH REGARDS TO THE NEED TO PUT BRICKS ELSEWHERE I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT ON THE LEFT AND RIGHT FLANKS WHERE YOU HAVE THE SEATING AREA.

THAT COULD BE FACED OUT WITH RICK AND WE CAN HAVE THE CONCRETE CAP ON THEIR. THAT COULD WORK.

ALSO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU COULD DO A LOW WALL.

I AM POINTING ON MY SCREEN LIKE SOMEONE CAN SEE ME BUT A LOW WALL BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPE AREA AND THE CONCRETE PAD ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SEA WALLS. CLOSE TO THE BENCHES.

YOU COULD PUT A FREESTANDING WALL ON THE SIDE OF THAT WHICH IS BRICKS ARE BASICALLY YOU ARE SITTING ON THE BENCH AND GOT THAT FACE WALL BEHIND YOU. JUST BELOW 3 FEET.

IN THERE. A FREESTANDING WALL LIKE A BACKDROP WALL. THAT IS UP TO THE DESIGNERS BUT THAT'S ANOTHER LOCATION FOR THAT.

LIKE THE WAY THE BRICK WITH THE STONE LOOKS BUT I HAVE TO WONDER ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND WITH DOGS GOING IN AND OUT THERE WITH WHITESTONE THE BOTTOM.

SO, A QUESTION THAT BUT I DO LIKE THE CONTRAST OF THE COLUMNS. SO THAT IS WHAT I WOULD ADD TO

THE DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER: THE BRICKS WITH NAMES ON THEM WILL THEY BE THE RED COLOR OR THE REGULAR

CONCRETE BRICKS? >> COMMISSIONER: THE PAVERS DO

NOT LOOK LIKE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER: WHAT DO THEY

LOOK LIKE? >> COMMISSIONER: I FORGET THE SIZE BUT THEY HAVE THREE LINES ON THEM AND I FORGET THE SIZE.

>> COMMISSIONER: ARE THEY GRAY ?

>> CHAIR: I BELIEVE THEY ARE RED.

>> SPEAKER: THE BRICKS WILL BE CLAY FOR SURE THEY WILL NOT BE CONCRETE WHICH IS THE WAY THEY EDGE THAT IT JUST DOESN'T WORK WITH THE CONCRETE BRICKS. SO I GOT DISTRACTED FOR A

SECOND. >> >> COMMISSIONER: COULD YOU-ÁSPEAKER3Á I DON'T OF THE COLOR OF THE BRICK.

I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE SUPPLIER OF THE BRICK.

>> COMMISSIONER: ON THE NEXT ILLUSTRATION CAN YOU ACTUALLY PUT THE PAVERS THERE TO SEE IT INSTEAD OF REGULAR BRICKS BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SIZE, THEY? THEY ARE BIGGER THAN A REGULAR BRICK?

>> SPEAKER: THEY TYPICALLY HAVE THE SAME DIMENSION.

IT IS A BRICK PAVER. >> COMMISSIONER: YOU SAY THE BRICKS ARE THE SAME SIZE AS THESE COLUMNS?

>> SPEAKER: THEY CAN BE. THEY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT BUT

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THIS SPECIFIC PATTERN? >> COMMISSIONER: ARE YOU ASKING IF THE BRICKS ARE TO SCALE?

>> COMMISSIONER: NO, I AM THINKING THAT THE BRICKS RIGHT HERE GOING TO BE MUCH SMALLER THAN THE PAVERS.

I WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THEIR FACEBOOK POST TO SEE WHAT THE EXACT SIZE OF THE PAVER IS. DOES ANYONE KNOW THAT?

>> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE DECIDED ON THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE SIZE HAS BEEN.

THEY CAN PUT THEM ON A SIZE THAT WE CAN MATCH?

>> COMMISSIONER: THE SIZE IS PREDETERMINED.

YOU HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED A PREDETERMINED SIZE.OUR COLOR COULD PROBABLY THEY COULD DECIDE ON THE COLOR BUT THE SIZE OF THE BRICK THAT WE CAN WORK WITH NOW IS A PRESOLD SIZE. SO WE COULD WORK OUT WHERE THE

350 OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO. >> COMMISSIONER: WE JUST HAVE

TO MAKE SURE THEY MATCH. >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK WE ARE IN THE WEEDS. AS A COMMISSION MEMBER I FEEL THAT THE BRICK SHOULD BE IN A HIGHLY VISIBLE LOCATION IS POSSIBLE AT THE ENTRY. THAT WOULD BE THE FRONT AND THE INSIDE CORNERS AND THEN WHEREVER ELSE.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REQUEST THAT BEFORE IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE THAT WE SEE A SKETCH OF WHERE THE ARENA 50 BRICKS ARE

GOING TO BE USED. >> SPEAKER: THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT AARON IS WORKING WITH. HE IS IN CONTACT WITH THE CONSULTANT WITH THE DOG PARK CONSTRUCTION.

ALL THREE OF THEM ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF BRICKS IN

THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SPACES. >> COMMISSIONER: ONE OF THE THING ABOUT THIS ILLUSTRATION IS SHOWS THE BACK FENCE IS BLACK BUT ISN'T SILVER IN REALITY?

>> SPEAKER: IT IS NOT AND WE CAN GO OVER THAT DURING THE

UPDATE. >> COMMISSIONER: IS IT

INSTALLED SILVER? >> SPEAKER: NO MA'AM.

WHILE THE BACK IS BUT IS ANOTHER PART THAT HAD GOTTEN

CHANGED. >> COMMISSIONER: GOING BACK TO THE SIGN IF IT'S ON THE FRONT OR THE BACK I REALLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T READ IT ON THE WAY IN YOUR GOING TO

READ IT ON THE WAY OUT. >> CHAIR: DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY FOR AARON?

>> COMMISSIONER: THIS LOOKS LIKE VICTORIA AS WELL.

IT KEEPS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTRY SIGNS TO THE TOWNS AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME THING THAT'S DOWNTOWN AND IT KEEPS IT

ALL CONSISTENT. >> COMMISSIONER: IS THERE ANY SHADING UNDERNEATH THIS GREEN SHADE?

>> SPEAKER: YES MA'AM. I'M SURE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT AARON WANTED TO PUT ON THE DRAWING.

>> SPEAKER: WE ARE NOT REALLY WORKING ON THE DOCK PARK

SPECIFICALLY. >> COMMISSIONER: WHERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN AND NOT WHAT IS INSIDE?

WHERE THE DOG PARK IS? >> COMMISSIONER: GREAT JOB

AARON. >> CHAIR: YOU'VE GOT GOOD FEEDBACK. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS FEEDBACK FOR YOU, THEN I THINK WE LIKE THIS OPTION THE BEST WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS

EXPRESSED. >> COMMISSIONER: I LIKE LORI SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE SHE HAS

THE ON SCENE. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

>> CHAIR: AWESOME. WE APPRECIATE IT.

SO YOU ARE AWARE WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH AARON ON THE COMMENTS GIVEN TONIGHT. WERE GOING TO PRESENT OPTIONS TO CITY COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH WILL HAVE SOME FINAL RENDERINGS FOR YOU TO LOOK LIKE AND SIGN OFF ON.

AND THEN WE SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO.

>> CHAIR: AARON, THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

GOOD SEEING YOU ALL. >> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT.

[2. Discuss SFC draft]

>> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT!T! >> CHAIR: IS THAT EVEN REALISTIC? I SAW $40 MILLION WHERE WITHOUT

MONEY EVEN COME FROM? >> SPEAKER: IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. THE BIGGEST THING THAT I WOULD

[00:35:04]

I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHY WE NEED CERTAIN THINGS OR WHY WE DON'T AND WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS.

QUITE HONESTLY RIGHT NOW I WANT TO SAY WERE WINGING IT BUT WE KIND OF ART.WERE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN THAT WE NEEDED THE FACILITIES ASSESSMENT TO COME IN AND HELP US FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN PUT OUR MONEY TO MAKE THE BEST EFFICIENCIES.

>> COMMISSIONER: CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANY PAYBACK FOR ANYTHING UNLESS YOU CONSIDER THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA IS THAT CORRECT?

>>> SPEAKER: I CAN LET ALEX TALK ON THAT WHAT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS IF WE WANT TO BE A SPORTS TOURISM HUB WE CANNOT JUST FOCUS ON LOCAL REVENUE.

THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD BRING IN LOCAL REVENUE THAT WILL SUSTAIN THE TOURISM COMPONENT. SO WHAT THEY DID WAS LOOK AT THAT MARKET AND SAY IF YOU CAN DRAW PEOPLE FROM X AMOUNT OF HOURS THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IS THAT MARKET WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE METROPOLITAN AREAS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYONE'S GOING TO COME HERE THE LIKELIHOOD OF US BEING ABLE TO SECURE BETTER AND BIGGER EVENTS AND TOURISM SPORTING EVENTS IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HONESTLY, CURRENTLY WE CAN'T EVEN SECURE CERTAIN EVENTS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE FACILITIES WE HAVE OR LACK OF HOTELS OR LACK OF OF TURNAROUND WHEN IT COMES TO THE FIELDS AND THAT'S WHY THERE ARE SOME SUGGESTIONS RELATING TO TURF VERSUS GRASS.

THE INVESTMENT IS ABOUT THE SAME IN TERMS OF LONG-TERM VERSUS SHORT-TERM IF YOU LOOK AT IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY A BIGGER INVESTMENT SHORT-TERM BUT THE TURNAROUND ON THOSE FIELDS ARE QUICKER.YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DRAINING THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF BACK-AND-FORTH THAT WE CAN GO WITH IT BUT I GUESS REALLY TRYING TO GET YOUR INPUT ON WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF THE PLAN ITSELF.

I KNOW IT IS STILL IN DRAFT FORM.

ALEX IS OUR TOURISISM MANAGER A HE'S BEEN FEELING THAT WITH SFC LATELY SO HE COULD PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK THAT IS WHERE WE ARE

AT RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER: HAVE A QUESTION. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT AND I COULD BE TOTALLY OFF BASE BUT I SEE IT AS WE ARE INVESTING IN SPORTS TOURISM TO, WE ARE SPENDING DOLLARSTO INVEST IN SPORTS TOURISM TO BRING IN THOSE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF VICTORIA WITH ATTRACTIVE ACTIVITIES AND SPORTING EVENTS HERE AS OPPOSED TO SPENDING MONEY ON AMENITIES HERE IN VICTORIA TO MAKE THEM BETTER AND INCREASE THE AMENITIES FOR THE PUBLIC HERE. I LOOK AT IT AS ADVERSARIAL.

IN MY WRONG? OR DO YOU LOOK AT IT AS TO

COULD DELAY SEPARATE BUCKETS. >> LOCAL AND OUTSIDE ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BUCKETS. DO WE HAVE THE FACILITIES TO BE ABLE TO HOST SOME REGIONAL TOURNAMENTS? ABSOLUTELY BUT DO WE WANT TO GO BIGGER AND BETTER? THAT IS THE QUESTION. IF THE ANSWER IS YES THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT INVESTMENTS WERE GOING TO DO AND WHAT FACILITIES PROVIDE THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.

WHAT IS THE BIGGEST ROI? IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WANT TO NOT INK ABOUT THE LOCALS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ANY IMPROVEMENTS WERE GOING TO MAKE IT THE FACILITY WILL ENHANCE IT AS WELL. BE BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE BETTER OPPORTUNITIES TO PLAY ON MORE FIELDS IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GO DOWN THE ROAD OF CREATING OR SOCCER FIELD, BASEBALL

[00:40:01]

>> COMMISSIONER: IT DOES AND THE PURPOSE OF PUSHING SPORTS TOURISM IS PARKS AND REC EATING THE ROI ON THAT OR IS IT THE CITY INITIATIVE? IS THE CITY LOOKING TO GET ROI THROUGH HOTEL TAX OR IS IT THAT THE PARKS AND REC'S THEY THINK IF THEY HAVE THE FACILITIES THEY CAN CHARGE MORE AND IT BRINGS MORE BACK TO THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET.

WHAT IS THE PUSH BEHIND IT? >> SPEAKER: IT IS ALL OF THE ABOVE AND HE DOES SOUND LIKE THAT IT IS.

IF WERE ABLE TO CORRECT THAT YES WE CAN GET MORE RESERVATIONS AND ECHOES BACK INTO PARKS AND RECREATION DEPENDING ON WHAT FACILITY IS BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IT ALSO CAN IF IT'S THE CITY BECAUSE WERE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT AT THAT POINT. YET THE HOTELS THEY GET PICKED UP IN THE RESTAURANT SO INTO TALLADEGA LOOKING AT A WHOLE CITYWIDE INITIATIVE. IN ADDITION TO THAT I BELIEVE IT ALL IS CITY WIDE BECAUSE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS

LAID OUT. >> COMMISSIONER: THE MEETING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT DATE IS VERY INTERESTING.

DEFINITELY BETWEEN SOFTBALL AND BASKETBALL AND ALL THE LEAGUES IN TOWN THE STAKEHOLDERS HAVE A SAY ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE FACILITIES AND ONE THING I REMEMBERED RIGHT OFF THE BAT WAS THAT THERE ARE NEW BATTING CAGES.

THE BATTING CAGES AVAILABLE ARE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY ARE FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVED. AND THEN THE FIELDS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THINGS LIKE BATHROOMS AND INGRESS AND EGRESS AND ALL THOSE THINGS THEY ARE NOT EVEN ADEQUATE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO SO IT'S A DETERRENT FROM BRINGING OUT ANY LARGER TOURNAMENTS IN GAMES, WEEKEND GAMES AND ALL OF THAT AND THEN THERE'S THIS OTHER INTERESTING COMPONENT THAT YOU BRING ALL THESE PEOPLE IN AND THERE'S NOTHING TO DO IN TOWN. WHAT ARE FAMILIES GOING TO DO ON THE OFF HOURS? SOMEBODY MENTIONED WHEN IT BE GREAT TO HAVE A TOP GOLF OR THINK THE SECOND TEARS CALLED LEGENDS? THAT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT'S JUST VERY FASCINATING MESSAGE CONVERSATION WITH ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS NOT GOING TO BE ADEQUATE FOR CITY GROWTH AND WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO.

IF YOU PUT MONEY INTO THAT SIDE OF TOWN IF YOU PUT MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY BUILDING ITSELF YOU BEGIN THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INSIDE THE TOWN AND THEN PEOPLE COME AND BUSINESSES COME AND IT IS A LOT TO BE SAID.

>> CHAIR: WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO HAVE A FOOD TRUCK PARKED IN

RIVERSIDE PARK? >> COMMISSIONER: IS CURRENTLY

IN THE BUDGET. >> COMMISSIONER: OUT OF THIS 60 PAGE DOCUMENT WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP FOR THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP OUT OF THAT? WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE?

>> COMMISSISIONER: DID EVERYON HERE GET EMAIL THAT I GOT?

>> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE SO. THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE WE ARE WORKING WITH CONCEPTUAL'S FOR A HANDFUL OF THE AREAS THAT FOCUSED ON. SO THE YOUTH SPORTS COMPLEX WE CAN HAVE VISUALS TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY.

THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT WOULD BE REALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ROUTE WE ARE GOING TO GO. WHERE AGAIN THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK WHERE IS THE MARKET AT RIGHT NOW? WE KNOW WE ARE HEAVY AND SOFT ALL NOT AS HEAVY IN BASEBALL.

WHAT IS THE DRIVING MARKET THAT WE ARE MISSING OUT ON HERE? IS IT SOCCER OR THE FACT THAT WE NEED MORE SOFTBALL FIELDS? I AM NOT SURE. THAT IS WHERE THE CONVERSATION COMES INTO PLACE WHERE WE KNOW WE ARE BEING INUNDATED IN SOFTBALL THERE ARE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE FOR THE CHANGING OF THE FIELDS AND DIFFERENT LAYOUTS AND TALKING ABOUT CIP AND BUDGET BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH CITY COUNCIL WERE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE EVERYONE INVOLVED TO HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING INCLUDING THAT IN THE CIP BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT IS A $100,000 ITEM. AND I THINK WHAT WE HAD SAID WAS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF FOR THE GRASS? BECAUSE WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF IT IS MORE MONEY UP FRONT BUT YOU CAN PLAY - GIVEN THE WEATHER THAT WE HAVE YOU COULD PLAY FOR

[00:45:07]

AND SO THAT WIPES OUT THE TOURNAMENTS.

>> SPEAKER: THERE ARE TOURNAMENTS THAT COME TO VICTORIA BUT WON'T BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TURF.

IT'S A DECIDING FACTOR FOR THEM.

NOT ALL OF THEM BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT DEPEND ON THAT BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE THEIR TIME AND EFFORT CREATING A TOURNAMENT PUSHING ALL THE INFORMATION OUT AND THEN THE DAY OF THEY GET RAINED OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T TURN THE WATER OFF ON FIELDS. THERE IS THE UNDERSTANDING FOR DELAYS BUT IF YOU'RE GETTING A MONSOON AND YOU HAVE TO PLAY YOU CAN'T TURN IT AROUND IN AN HOUR OR TWO.

>> COMMISSIONER: I AM SORRY THIS IS OFF TOPIC BUT STILL ON FIELDS DO WE NOT HAVE A SNACK PERSON TO DO CONCESSIONS?

>> SPEAKER: WE DO AT THE YOUTH SPORTS COMPLEX BUT NOT ON THE

ADULTS. >> COMMISSIONER: DOES THAT NEED TO BE FILLED AS FAR AS CONCESSIONS GO?

>> SPEAKER: YES MA'AM. AND REALLY TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE US FOR SFC. IT'S STILL A DRAFT AND WE CAN STILL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE WE WRAP IT UP AND MAKE A FINAL DOCUMENT OUT OF IT AND RESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> CHAIR: ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION?

OKAY. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

[3. Introduce Sports Tourism Manager]

>> CHAIR: SINCE YOU STARTED TO I GUESS YOU COULD FINISH INTRODUCING THE TOURISM MANAGER.

QUICK SURE THING. I WANTED TO BRING ALEX UP.

HE IS OUR NEW SPORTS TOURISM MANAGER FOR THE CITY OF VICTORIA. I WILL LET HIM CHAT WITH YOU LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO HE IS AND HIS PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH

THE DEPARTMENT. >> CHAIR: WELCOME ALEX.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS ALEX WEDDLE AND I WAS EMPLOYED WITH THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT BEFORE I WAS A COORDINATOR FOR ABOUT 8 TO 9 MONTHS I LEFT FOR LITTLE BIT I SAW THE JOB OPENING AND I DECIDED TO COME COME BACK TO IT.

I SAW THIS JOB IN THE BEGINNING I FELT LIKE THE QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE WERE THERE YET BUT NOW I'M GOING BACK TO SCHOOL AND I'M ABOUT ONE SEMESTER AWAY FROM ALL THOSE COURSES AND THEY INVOLVE A LOT OF STUFF I'M DOING.

THAT'S REALLY GOOD HELP A LOT OF RESEARCH AND STUDYING.

I AM ENJOYING THE PROCESS. LIKE JASON SAID MY MAIN GOAL HERE IS TO MAKE VICTORIA NOT JUST A LOCAL REGIONAL AND STATE DESTINATION FOR SPORTS AND TO BRING TOURISM IN.

AND IT IS AS MR. BILLINGS SAID AS FAR AS LOCAL AND IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND GIVING THOSE OPTIONS TO LOWER INCOME SIDES OF THE TOWN TO GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE NICE FACILITIES THAT THEY WANT TO GO AND PLAY ON NOT JUST DIRT AND OLD GRASS BUT GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITIES AS FAR AS THE FACILITIES PIGGYBACKING ON THAT IT'S MORE ON WEEKENDS.

IT WILL BE A WEEKEND FILLED WITH COMMUNITY STUFF.

I WAS TALKING TO GABBY OUR RAT COORDINATOR ABOUT FILLING IN MORE WRECK LEAGUES AND OPPORTUNITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE FACILITIES AREN'T JUST USE FOR THE WEEKENDS AND OUT-OF-TOWNERS IT'S USED FOR THE CITIZENS OF VICTORIA AND THAT IS WHAT I MENTIONED TO HIM IN THE BEGINNING. I DON'T WANT TO JUST BUILD THEM FOR OUTSIDERS OR TOURISM BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WANT TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO THE CITY WHERE THEY CAN BE PROUD OF THE FACILITIES. BEING THE DIRECT COORDINATOR BEING OUT THERE FOR THE FALL LEAGUE IN THE SUMMER LEAGUE BEING ADULT KIT WHILE THEY ALWAYS COME UP TO ME AND ASKING WHEN THE FACILITY IS GOING TO CHANGE.

WE HAVE GUYS IN THE 50S WHO LOOK LIKE I LOOK LIKE AS A TEENAGER AND THEY WANT TO BRING THIS TO THE KIDS AND GRANDKIDS.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS WANTING.

AND THAT'S WHEN I WAS THE DIRECT COORDINATOR AND I COULD COMMUNICATE WITH THE LOCAL GUYS WHO WERE STILL CALLING FOR LOCAL TOURNAMENTS HERE WHICH IS GREAT.

THEY WANT TO EXPAND THE LOCAL TOURNAMENTS.

THESE GUYS KNOW PEOPLE WHO KNOW PEOPLE AND EVEN IF IT'S LOCAL THEY CAN GET FROM AREAS. THEY DIDN'T GIVING ME FEEDBACK

[00:50:08]

I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE AND THAT'S MY DUTY AND MY MISSION TO ENHANCE VICTORIA AS A SPORTS DESTINATION BUT ALSO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S SOMETHING THEY BEEN ASKING FOR.

>> COMMISSIONER: AWESOME. WELCOME.

>> CHAIR: GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON THIS POSITION ALEX.

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE A GOOD GRIP ON THE SYNERGIES.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT THAT ARE POSSIBLE BETWEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL AND DOING BETTER FIRE OWN RESIDENCE BY INCREASING THE FACILITIES AND RESOURCES THAT WE GOT HERE.

I THINK WE NEED MORE THINKING LIKE THAT.

IT IS GOING TO BE VERY WELCOMING I THINK.

>> SPEAKER: EVAN SINNING OUT THE UPDATES IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE I AM A PHONE CALL AWAY AND EMAIL AWAY AND I'M INTERESTED TO SPEAK ABOUT YOUR IDEAS.

>> COMMISSIONER: I LOVE THE CALENDARS, TOO. SO NOW I KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE EVENT SIDE AND THE SPORTS SIDE AS

WELL. >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE THEM AT THE PARKS AND REC'S FACILITIES. THEY WILL COME OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. PROBABLY TOMORROW.

I WANTED YOU TO HAVE A HEAD START ON THE WEEKENDS.

>> COMMISSIONER: YOU DO A GREAT JOB IT'S BEEN A JOY TO WORK WITH YOU. YOU ALL DO A GREAT JOB.

WE APPRECIATE YOU. >> CHAIR: MR. OLIVER WOULD YOU

[4. YMCA presentation]

>> SPEAKER: GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY I SHOULD'VE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AGO.

I GOT HERE IN APRIL 2019 AND I WASN'T HERE FOR THE CONTRACT OR ANY OF THAT STUFF. WE ARE CERTAINLY, WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT AND I WANT YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE GETTING THE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK THAT YOU PAID FOR.

SO WHAT I PROVIDED YOU WITH IS OUR FINANCIALS FOR THE AQUATICS DEPARTMENT AND I CAN GO OVER THE FIRST ONE THE FIRST YEAR FOR YOU PROBABLY AND ANSWER QUESTIONS.

TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY BEHIND IT 2017 WAS WHEN IT OPENED AND I CALLED CRAIG LAGER TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD THE POOL AND INTO THE CITY GAVE US $1.5 MILLION AND HE SAID OFF THE TOP OF HIS HEAD HE HAD TO GO BACK WHEREVER HE STORED HIS STUFF AND FOLDED ON OUT.

IT TOOK HIM A WEEK OR SO AND SAID THEY WERE ALL IN AND IT WAS 1.8. THERE WAS MORE MONEY FOR THE POOL BUILDING BECAUSE WE UPGRADED SOME STUFF IN THERE AND THEN WE ALSO ADDED SOME FEATURES TO THAT SO BUCKET, SOME OTHER STUFF WAS ADDED AT A LATER TIME.

AT ONE POINT WE NEEDED TO GET IT UP TO WHERE IT IS AT.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE IS EVERY YEAR SINCE IT OPENS FOR THAT FIRST ONE WAS 2017. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST ITEM THIS IS HOW WE DO OUR FINANCIALS.

THE FIRST SECTION IS GOING TO BE REVENUE IN THE BOTTOM IS GOING TO BE EXPENSES. IF WE LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS. THOSE ARE DAY FEES. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WALK UP AND PAY THEIR MONEY TO COME IN AND UTILIZE THE POOL.

SALES VENDING, WE SELL, WE HAVE BEEN VENDING THERE AND WE SELL ALL SORTS OF STUFF WITH THE MONEY THAT WE MAKE TYPICALLY IT IS ABOUT A WASH. WE DON'T MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY.

AND THEN THE THIRD IS MISCELLANEOUS.

THAT'S PARTIES, RENTALS, SWIM LESSONS, ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT IS A CONTRACT WITH AETNA. WE ALSO MANAGE THE AETNA CITY POOL AND WE MANAGE THE CITY OF CLASSES POOL AND THE CITY OF PORT LAVACA POOL. THOSE THREE ARE DIFFERENT IN THAT WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND OUR CONTRACT WITH THE CITY STIPULATES WE ARE NOT GOING TO LOSE MONEY.

WITH AETNA AS PART OF THE BRAKES RANCH, THAT IS - THE CITY PAYS US A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE DON'T LOSE ANY MONEY ON IT. AT THE END OF THE YEAR -

>> COMMISSIONER: WE DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY EITHER.

>> SPEAKER: IF YOU KNOW PULLS YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO

[00:55:01]

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THE OTHER POOLS.

IF YOU LOOK AT 2017 THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE ROT IN THE 708,000 WE ONLY BUDGETED FOR 87.

AS YOU CAN GUESS THE SALARIES WILL BE THE BIGGEST EXPENSE.

THAT POOL IS DESIGNED AND IS TOUGH TO GUARD THAT POOL.

JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT IS DESIGNED SO WE HAVE TO HAVE GUARDS OUT ON THE POOL WHETHER WE HAVE RATIOS OR NOT HERE THE RATIO CAR DEATHS TO SWIMMERS IS 1:25 THE WAY THAT THE POOL IS DESIGNED IS WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE GUARDS OUT THERE.

IF TO HAVE 15 KIDS IN THE POOL WE HAVE TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR

GUARDS. >> COMMISSIONER: ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CITY POOL? IS THE SHAPE CAUSING THE

PROBLEM? >> YES.

THERE'S DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE POOL WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE GUARDS ON IT TO DO IT. OUR INSURANCE CARRIER IS REDWOOD INSURANCE AND THEY ARE PRETTY STICKY ABOUT HOW WE DO THOSE THINGS SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY TRAINING AND DOING RED BALL DRILLS AND SILHOUETTE DRILLS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

MOST OF OUR EXPERIENCES GOING TO COME FROM THAT.

AND THEN LAST YEAR WHEN WE CAME OUT OF COVID WE BUMPED SALARIES

UP, TOO, FOR GUARDS. >> COMMISSIONER: IS THIS POOL SALARIES OR DOES IT ENCOMPASS THE PROGRAMS AT THE POOLS?

>> SPEAKER: IT WILL BE SWIMMING LESSONS AND ALL OF THAT COULD WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF LESSONS.

MOST OF IT COMES WITH OPEN SWIM AND PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE BENEFITS, WE PROVIDE BENEFITS FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. AND TAXES IS SELF-EXPLANATORY.

SUPPLIES THAT MOSTLY CHLORINE. GO THROUGH A LOT OF CHLORINE.

AN OUTSIDE POOL YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EVAPORATION SO WE GO THROUGH A LOT OF CHLORINE. AND THEN OTHER LITTLE THINGS LIKE GUARD TUBES, OTHER TYPES OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BUY AND THEN AQUA FITNESS AND OTHER THINGS WE DO WE BUY SUPPLIES FOR THOSE. SULFONE TRAVEL IS EXPENSIVE.

THE LEAST PAYMENT DEPRECIATION REALLY AND WE ARE DEPRECIATING THE POOL. I BELIEVE THAT OUR CPA, THE LIFE OF THE POOL IS LIKE 20, 25 YEARS.

THAT IS THE DEPRECIATION PART OF IT.

IF YOU LOOK WE LOST MONEY ON THIS BUT IT IS NOT ADDING IN SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF.OU HAVE ANOTHER SHEET THAT HAS UTILITIES, INSURANCE AND ADMINISTRATION.

TALESE IS A LOT COLD, WATER THAT IT COSTS US TO KEEP THE POOL OPEN. AND INSURANCE.

INSURANCE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED AND ESPECIALLY WITH A POOL. THERE IS A LOT OF LIABILITY THERE. WE HAVE HAD EIGHT INCIDENTS ALREADY THIS SUMMER. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEATHS BUT OF THOSE EIGHT FOUR HAVE BEEN MEDICAL.

AND THAT IS NOT HERE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY HERE THANK GOD IT IS NATIONWIDE. IF YOU ADD IN UTILITIES INSURANCE AND ADMINISTRATION IT IS ON ANOTHER SHEET THAT I PROVIDED YOU. AND THEN YOU TAKE THE DEPRECIATION AND IT SHOWS YOU WHERE WE ARE AT AS FAR AS CASH FLOW. WE ARE NOT MAKING MONEY ON IT.

>> COMMISSIONER: IS THE PRESENTATION OF THE BUDGET TO JUSTIFY THE 5 DOLLARSENTRY FEE MAC IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING

US TO? >> SPEAKER: IF I'M GOING TO JUSTIFY AN ENTRY FEE IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN 5 DOLLARS.

>> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU MR. OLIVER FOR COMING HERE TODAY TO SHARE THE FINANCIALS WITH US WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

OUR CONVERSATION HAD TO DO WITH THE ENTRY FEE AS GAIL TALKED ABOUT. WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION NOT FULLY ADVISED OF HOW THE FEE CAME TO BE WITHOUT THE CITY OF VICTORIA HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE WIDE TO KEEP THE COST

[01:00:07]

>> COMMISSIONER: YOU CAN BE A MEMBER.

>> SPEAKER: WE ARE A MEMBERSHIP-BASED ORGANIZATION AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WE DO IS TO GET PEOPLE TO JOIN.E WANT PEOPLE TO JOIN TO BE A MEMBER OF THE Y

BECAUSE IT IS MORE SUSTAINABLE. >> COMMISSIONER: HOW MUCH IS A MEMBERSHIP ND CELL JUST POOL MEMBERSHIP?

>> SPEAKER: WE DO. WE SELL A SUMMER MEMBERSHIP AND IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE IT WILL HAVE THAT LIST ALONG WITH THE Y MEMBERSHIP. IT IS $10 PER DAY FEE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE THE POOL SCHEDULE WE PROVIDED IF YOU ARE A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND YOU WANT TO TAKE AQUA ZUMBA ON SATURDAY MORNING YOU CAN COME AND PAY $10 TO TAKE THE CLASS.

EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS MEMBERS ONLY IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, TO. WE ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC

REGARDLESS. >> COMMISSIONER: I DON'T NEED TO CORRECT YOU YOU SAID $10 BUT IT SAYS 5 DOLLARSON HERE.

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS THE POOL DAY FEE.

SO OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY WE ENTERED INTO THE CONTRACT WAS WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CHARGE MORE THAN HALF OF THE Y DAY FEE. THAT'S WHY IT'S 5 DOLLARS.

IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HELPING US OFFSET THE COST BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A POOL THAT IT'S GOING TO COST YOU MONEY. THE OTHER THING WE HAD WAS THE FREEZE IN TWEEN 19, 2020. SO, WE HAD TO REPLACE THE POOL ROOM. IT GOT FLOODED BECAUSE THE PIPES FROZE AND THE ELECTRICITY CAME BACK ON AND IN THE PIPES FIRST AND PUMPS ARE WHAT? FIVE GRAND A PIECE? AND THEN WE HAVE A FILTRATION SYSTEM THAT NOT ONLY DOES CHLORINE BUT IT ALSO DOES INFRARED.

SO THAT SYSTEM WAS AFFECTED, TOO. I THINK THAT WAS $15,000 TO REPLACE THAT IN THEN WE HAD THE POOL HEATER WHICH WAS ALSO AFFECTED. SOME OF THESE AND 2021 IT COST US 21,000 500 FOUR THE POOL HEATER, THE INFRARED SYSTEM.

THE PIPES. >> COMMISSIONER: HAS THE POOL EVER BEEN OPEN IN THE WINTERTIME?

I HAVE NOT KNOWN IT TO BE OPEN. >> SPEAKER: IT HASN'T PAID THEY PUT THE POOL HEATER IN IT BUT HAD NEVER RUN IT HERE SO WHEN I GOT HERE LET'S GET THIS BABY UP AND RUNNING.

AND SO WE WERE WORKING ON GETTING THAT REPLACED ANYWAY TRYING TO FIND THE MONEY TO GET IT REPLACED BUT THE FREEZE HELPED US. OUR GOAL MY GOAL IS THAT IT IS OPEN YEAR-ROUND. I HAD A POOL I WAS IN CENTRAL FLORIDA FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF OUTDOOR POOLS. WE RAN THEM YEAR-ROUND AND THERE WAS A MAD DASH FROM THE LOCKER ROOM TO THE POOL SOME

DAYS BECAUSE IT WAS COLD. >> COMMISSIONER: INITIALLY THE PLAN ON THE YMCA WAS TO BUILD A DOME ACROSS THE TOP FOR HEATING AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. ORDER RANCH HAS A POOL AND I MENTION IT BECAUSE WE LOVE IT SO MUCH AND THEY DON'T HAVE A DOME ON TOP OF THEIRS AND THEY HEAT IT FOR THE WINTER.

>> SPEAKER: IT DRIVES UP THE COST.

WE ARE ALREADY PUTTING CHLORINE IN IT AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

YOU ARE GOING TO PAID TO PUT THE DOME ON IT AND THEN ANYTIME YOU PUT A POOL INSIDE IT CAUSES A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PROBLEMS. AIR QUALITY AND THOSE KINDS OF

THINGS. >> COMMISSIONER: I MENTIONED IT BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

>> SPEAKER: IT IS IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. CAN WE DOME IT?

>> SPEAKER: THE UTILITIES WILL GO UP.

>> SPEAKER: WHEN IT IS COLD OUTSIDE YOU HAVE OF OPERATION AND ALL THOSE THINGS BUT IS GOING TO COST YOU TO HEAT.

[01:05:03]

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

NUMBER 1 WHERE THE NEW AREA IS IS THAT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC OR

NEW MEMBERS? >> SPEAKER: IT IS OPEN TO THE

PUBLIC. >> COMMISSIONER: OKAY SO THE QUESTION IS IN THE HEAT OF THE DAY I KNOW THE OLD PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL IS NORMALLY CLOSED AT 7:00, 8:00 AT NIGHT.

WHY IS IT CLOSING SO EARLY? WHAT IS THE ATTENDANCE?

>> COMMISSIONER: THEY ARE OPEN UNTIL 6:30.

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE OPEN SWIM TIME?

>> SPEAKER: ORANGE IS THE OPEN SWIM.

>> COMMISSIONER: IS ONLY OPEN IN THE ORANGE.

>> COMMISSIONER: THAT'S OPEN SWIM.

>> CHAIR: SO THE PUBLIC PAYING 5 DOLLARSIS ONLY DURING THE

ORANGE TIME? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> CHAIR: IS ONLY OPEN FROM 1 TO 5.

>> SPEAKER: )WERE CONTRACTED FOR 24 HOURS AND THIS IS 25 TO

WORK LOS. >> COMMISSIONER: DURING SWIM LESSONS IS IT PART OF THE MEMBER SWIM?

>> SPEAKER: NO. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, FOR US WE HAVE TO LOOK AT COST AND HOW TO KEEP THE COST DOWN.

>> COMMISSIONER: THESE OTHER THINGS ARE MAKING YOU MONEY.

>> SPEAKER: I CANNOT CHARGE ENOUGH TO SAY THAT MONEY.

WHEN WE DO THE SWIMS IT'S 4 TO 1 OR 1 TO 6 AND YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH SPACE IN THAT POOL THAT YOU CAN PUT LESSONS IN.

I CANNOT DO ENOUGH LESSONS IN THAT POOL.

AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT LIFEGUARDS.

>> COMMISSIONER: ARE YOU SAYING IT IS A POOR DESIGN?

>> SPEAKER: NO, NOT AT ALL. I'VE SEEN POOLS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. I WAS IN NEBRASKA, OHIO, FLORIDA COULD I HAVE NOT SEEN A POOL MAKE MONEY.

>> COMMISSIONER: RIGHT. IT IS SUBSIDIZED.

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE. >> SPEAKER: WHERE?

>> COMMISSIONER: SWIMMING LESSONS IS YOUR GOLD FOR THE

POOL. >> COMMISSIONER: HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE OF THE POOL IT'S NOT A PHYSICAL RESPONSE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOLLARSAND SENSE THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING, CORRECT?

>> SPEAKER: GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, IF I'M GOING TO RUN BASKETBALL IN A GYM I'M GOING TO PUT 100 KIDS IN THAT JIM AND RUN AND HAVE A COUPLE OF STAFF PEOPLE.

IF I TRIED TO DO THAT ON A POOL YOU WOULD HAVE 1 TO 25, I'D HAVE TO HAVE 45 LIFEGUARDS OUT THERE AND IF YOU'RE TALKING SWIMMING LESSONS IT'S 1 TO 6. TO KEEP THEM FROM DROWNING.

>> COMMISSIONER: CAN I INTERJECT? IT'S NOT JUST THE LIFEGUARD AND THE PEOPLE IN THE POOL YET TALK ABOUT CONCESSIONS, PEOPLE AT THE DOOR THAT ARE EATING CARDS OR CASHBACK. YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE MORE FOLKS IN ADDITION TO THE LIFEGUARD SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WERERE COMING FROM HAVING TO DEAL WITH TWO DIFFERENT POOLS BEFORE AND IT IS VERY DIFFICULT.

THE ONE THING THAT MR. OLIVER HASN'T MENTIONED IS THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT HIGH SCHOOL, TYPICALLY, KIDS OUT HERE DOING THIS WORK AND COLLEGE STUDENTS. COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO ARE HERE TAKING $13, $14 PER HOUR COULD WHATEVER IT IS.

MAYBE LESS AND QUITE HONESTLY IT REALLY IS AMAZING TO SEE KIDS THAT ARE WORKING AT THAT PRICE AND THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR LITERALLY LIVES AND THAT IS A BIG BURDEN FOR A TEENAGER LET ALONE A YOUNG ADULT GOING INTO COLLEGE.

JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE, I KNOW IT IS DONE ALL OVER THE PLACE BUT TO ADMIT THAT HAS BEEN A DIFFICULT THING ESPECIALLY COMING FROM THE HOUSTON AREA.

COLLEGE STUDENTS WERE NOT APPLYING FOR THOSE POOL POSITIONS AND LIFEGUARDS BECAUSE NOT ONLY THAT IT DEALS WITH WHETHER OR NOT THERE CERTIFICATIONS ARE PAID, ARE

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>> COMMISSIONER: I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I WAS AT THE ZOO EARLIER AND THEY ARE PROBABLY THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW HOW TO WORK IN 100 DEGREES ALL THE TIME IS NOT A LUXURIOUS JOB HEATING OUT THERE YOU NOT GETTING IN THE POOL YOU'RE NOT COOLED OFF AND YOU'RE GETTING FRIED ALL THE TIME IT IS HOT IT IS VERY HOT RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE PRIME TIMES OF THE DAY WERE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SWIM YEAH, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WATER BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE SITTING INSIDE OF THE WATER WITH THE WATER REFLECTING ON THE CONCRETE IS A HEAT BOX. THAT IS A HARD JOB IT'S NOT EASY. PEOPLE THINK LIFEGUARDS DO

NOTHING, THEY SA LIVES. >> SPEAKER: TO THAT POINT YOU MIGHT DRIVE UP AND SEE LIFEGUARDS OUT THERE AND LIFEGUARDING. IT'S ONLY A FRACTION OF THE AMOUNT OF GUARDS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO CYCLE.THEY CAN ONLY BE UP IN THE CHAIR FOR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEN WE HAVE TO BRING THEM DOWN AND GET THEM OUT.

THEY'RE NOT IN THE HEAT. >> THERE'S NO LIFEGUARD PROGRAMS OTHER THAN WHAT THE YMCA OFFERS.

>> COMMISSIONER: THERE'S A FIGHT OVER THE POOL TRYING TO STAFF LIFEGUARDS AND A LOT OF IT, IT'S HARD TO GET THEM IN THE SUMMER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET THE KIDS THAT ARE IN COLLEGE THAT ARE ONLY HERE FOR THAT.

KUDOS TO THE Y BECAUSE I THINK IS GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE THIS RESOURCE. IT'S ALSO GOOD, NOT GOOD BUT INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MUCH MONEY THE Y LOSES ON THE POOL.

IS THAT SUSTAINABLE? CAN THEY SUSTAIN THAT GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT WHAT WAS THE BUILT IN? 2017? IS THIS THE SAME MODEL OR DO

THINGS CHANGE? >> SPEAKER: WE INVENTED SWIMMING LESSONS, THE Y SINCE 1906 WE'VE BEEN DOING IT.

WE INVENTED INDOOR POOLS PAID FIRST ONE WAS IN OAKLAND, NEW YORK, 1886 AND IT WAS A TANK. 45 FEET DEEP AND NO CIRCULATION.YOU CAN GUESS THAT THE WATER GOT PRETTY BAD.

IT WASN'T UNTIL KANSAS CITY, 25 YEARS LATER THAT THEY INVENTED THE FIRST FILTERED POOL. AND SO, THAT WAS AT A Y IN KANSAS CITY. WE'VE DONE IT, THERE'S A LOT OF Y WHEN THEY GO TO BUILD THEY WILL NOT BUILD A POOL BECAUSE IT COSTS THEM WAY TOO MUCH MONEY TO DO IT.

AND WE HAVE A TRAINING AND IN ONE OF THE TRAINING IT IS A HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE THERE WAS A Y IN KENTUCKY THAT TOOK A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY FOR MILLION DOLLARSTO BUILD A POOL.

AS A PARTICIPANT IN THAT CLASS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SIT DOWN AND SAY WAS A SMART MOVE? AND OF COURSE EVERYBODY IN THE Y WAS SAYING YES WE NEED TO DO SWIM LESSONS AND ALL THE STUFF TO PREVENT DROWNING AND AT THE END OF THE DAY IT WAS LIKE NO, THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUSTAIN IT.

>> THE SWIMMING LESSON, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT

IS. >> AGAIN, I THANK YOU AND COMMEND YOU FOR PRAYING THESE THINGS TO US AND I APPRECIATE IT. RYAN SAID IT'S A GREAT AMENITY FOR THE CITY BUT WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT THE CITY IS UNDERSERVED. IS THE CITY UNDERSERVED IN REGARDS TO ASSUMING POOLS? DOES THAT NEED TO MOVE UP ON THE LIST OF WHAT THE CITY OF VICTORIA NEEDS TO LOOK AT IN THE MASTER PLAN OR IN THE SPORTS TOURISM THING? I'M FULLY AWARE OF HOW EXPENSIVE POOLS ARE AND WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO BUT THE Y IS DOING HIS JOB.

HE'S CONTRACTED FOR THESE HOURS AND HE'S GIVEN THE CITY 30.

THE Y IS DOING THE JOB AND WE ARE PROVIDING/PAD AND MY QUESTION TO THE CITY IS IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO

DO TO SERVE THAT POPULATION? >> COMMISSIONER: THE NEXT STEP FOR US WOULD BE TO FIND OUT HOW MANY NONMEMBERS ARE IN THE YMCA POOL PER YEAR'S WE CAN SEE HOW MUCH REVENUE WERE PULLING IT AND ALSO HOW MAY PEOPLE ARE USING IT AND THEN WHEN I GO TO OTHER COMMUNITY POOLS WE ARE LOOKING AT 2 DOLLARS, 4 DOLLARSIS VERY LITTLE OBVIOUSLY POOLS ARE EXPENSIVE AND.

>> COMMISSIONER: 2 DOLLARSIS THE HIGHEST OF SEEN.

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>> SPEAKER: WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS IT'S GOT TO BE HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED BY THE CITY. IT'S NOT PAYING FOR THE POOL.

THE CITY IS. EVEN WITH THE MILLION DOLLARSOF THE CITY MADE AND THE FIVE DOLLAR ENTRY FEE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING THEY ARE STILL LOSING MONEY.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE Y IS NOT GOING TO MAKE MONEY WITH ALL THEIR MEMBERS. THE ECONOMICS OF A POOL AND A QUESTION I THINK YOU RAISED PERFECT THE IS ARE WE PULLING OUR WEIGHT AS A CITY AND PROVIDING THIS FOR OUR COMMUNITY? DO WE NEED, ARE WE CONSTRICTED IN OUR ARRANGEMENT WITH THE YMCA SUCH THAT WE SHOULD REVISIT IT AND FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT IF IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE YOU ARE NOT FULLY UTILIZED AND MAYBE THE CONTRACT DOES NEED TO BE REVISITED FOR THAT PURPOSE AND MAY BE NEED TO DO MORE.

>> SPEAKER: I CAN SEE IT IF IT A BELOW INCOME FAMILY.

IF I HAVE FOUR KIDS AND PARENTS THAT'S $30 TO GO TO THE POOL.

FOR 4 HOURS FROM ONE:00 TO 5:00.

IN AND HE SAID THAT IT IS PRE-DEAD.

SO HE SAID WHEN HE GOES BY THERE IT'S NOT EVEN BUSY AT THE TIME SO THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY.

>> SPEAKER: DID WE PUBLICIZE THIS THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS

COULD GO TO THE POOL? >> CHAIR: WE HAVE IT ON OUR WEBSITE WE PROBABLY DON'T PUSH IT AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD BUT IT IS ON A WEBSITE AND IT'S A LINK GOES TO THE YMCA.

I HAD CAN'T SAY WHEN I FIRST ARRIVED HERE WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE YMCA ABOUT THE HOURS THEY WERE OPEN AND THERE WAS SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE INTO YOUR POINT COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING THE SAME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ITS 5:00 I DON'T GET OUT OF WORK UNTIL FIVE HOW CAN I GET OVER TO THE POOL TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY IT? WHAT I CAN SAY IS THE YMCA HERE IN VICTORIA HAS BEEN PRETTY OPEN TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ARE ASKING OF THEM TO BE ABLE TO MOVE SOME OF THESE HOURS.

SOME NOT PUTTING ANYBODY ON THE SPOT BUT I'M SURE WE COULD COME UP WITH A PRETTY SOLID SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR, NEXT YEAR'S POOL SEASON TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THESE HOURS AND ADDRESS THEM A LITTLE BIT TO WHERE IT MAY BE CLOSES AT 6:30 SO YOU GET AN HOUR AND A HALF. AS FAR AS YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER TO WHAT IS THE CITY DOING? I THINK WITHOUT BEING PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS BACK IN 2017. WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, TOO.

WE FELT LIKE IT WAS PROBABLY PART OF IT LIKE THE CITY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND WE KNOW WE CAN'T COMPLETELY FUND A POOL BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE POOL AS LONG AS YOU CAN HELP WITH THE OPERATIONS.

AND THAT WAS 2017. SIX YEARS AGO AT THIS POINT.

SO THE CONTRACT PROBABLY DOES NEED TO BE REVISITED . WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN WE ADJUST? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT BUD AND HIS TEAM CAN COME UP WITH THAT IS PALATABLE FOR THE CITY AND ICE VERSA? ULTIMATELY THE POOL IS NOT GOING TO MAKE MONEY.

THE CITY IS GOING TO INVEST INTO CREATING AND BUILDING A POOL AND THAT IS A HUGE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AS FAR AS INVESTMENTS. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT IT'S BUDGETARY ITEMS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO RELEASE.

AS FAR AS THE YMCA THE PART-TIME STAFF AND ALL OF THAT. IT WOULD NOT ONLY NECESSITATE

ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL. >> RIGHT NOW THE 10 YEAR MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED TWO YEARS AGO WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A POOL IN THAT PLAN BUT WE DO HAVE/PADS COMING?

>> COMMISSIONER: WE DECIDED TO CHANGE THAT, TOO.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHAT KIND OF AQUATIC FEATURES FOR THE PUBLIC DO WE HAVE IN THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE ARE USING IN THE 10

YEAR HORIZON. >> SPEAKER: HERE TRYING TO -I THINK THERE'S DIFFERENT COMPONENTS WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN AS YOU JUST MENTIONED.

THEY ASKED FOR SOME SORT OF A SPLASH PAD OR WATER FEATURE.

QUITE HONESTLY I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS IN

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RIVER. >> COMMISSIONER: MAYBE WE ARE ALL HOT FOR THE FOURTH WEEK IN A ROW AND HELP ME OUT THE MASTER PLAN WAS BUILT ON DATA ANALYSIS COMMUNITY IMPORT IT IS A SOLID DOCUMENT AND NOW THAT SOLID RESEARCH Q&A WE CAME UP WITH A MASTER PLAN THAT DID NOT ADDRESS THIS SO I FEEL LIKE WE ARE HAVING A KNEE-JERK REACTION AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS A COMMISSION WE DON'T NECESSARILY GO THERE.

I MEAN, THE Y IS DOING THE JOB I LIKE WE SAID THE NEXT CONTRACT SEASON THE CITY COULD NEGOTIATE TIMES TO GIVE US ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY MAY BE A COUPLE OF MORNING SLOTS AND EVENING SLOTS BUT THE Y IS DOING THEIR JOB.

AS FAR AS A FULL ON BUDGETED ITEM FROM THE CITY I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BUT WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN AND I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB BUT IT IS A GOOD MASTER PLAN.

WE ARE COMFORTABLE PROVIDING THIS /PADS AND WE HAVE EXTENDED THE HOURS ON THE SPLASH PAD WHICH HAS BEEN A BEAUTIFUL THING TO SERVE THE PUBLIC THERE.

SO UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS CONVERSATION?

>> COMMISSIONER: THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS IF WE KNEW HOW MANY NONMEMBERS WERE USING THE POOL WE COULD MAYBE REQUEST FROM COUNSEL THAT WE GET FUNDING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT, OKAY? SO THAT WAY YOU CAN CHARGE 2 DOLLARSPER PERSON AND WE PICK UP THE OTHER THREE.O, YOUR GET FUNDING THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS THE POOL TO LESSER THE

COST OF ENTRY. >> COMMISSIONER: I'M GOING TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT BUT IF YOU REDUCE THE FEE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE

CAPACITY. >> SPEAKER: WAS GOING TO SAY WERE NOT THE ONLY POOL. THEY HAVE THEIR POOL THAT THEY ARE SELLING MEMBERSHIPS TO AND THEN YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS THAT WE ARE COMPETING AGAINST TO GET PEOPLE TO COME FOR LESSONS AND SO FORTH. WE ARE NOT THE ONLY POOL IN TOWN TO DO THAT. WE ARE CERTAINLY, WE WOULD BE OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE CITY. WE ARE ALSO, AGAIN OUR PLAN IS TO DO THIS YEAR-ROUND. I WANT TO SEE THIS YEAR-ROUND.

WE HAVE THE POOL HEATER UP AND WE HAVE EXTENDED TO ALL TOBER.

OUR ISSUE IS AS SOON AS SCHOOL STARTS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE

KIDS. >> COMMISSIONER: WAS GOING TO SAY THAT, TOO. DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY ZERO INTEREST IN THE WATER. NO ONE WANTS TO GO INSIDE THE POOL TO GOING IN THE FREEZING COLD.

I DON'T GET IT WITH KAYAKING THE WEATHER IS NOT GOOD I HEAR PEOPLE SAY ALL THE TIME I WILL SEE YOU WHEN IT IS WARMER AND

THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT IS HOT. >> I SUPPORT ASHLEY'S PROPOSITION I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE THE NUMBERS AND GET MORE COMMUNITY INPUT IF WE WERE TO GO TO COUNSEL AND ASK FOR SUBSIDIZE FUNDING BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT BE THAT MANY PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO HAVE TO SERVE AND IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE CHEAPER THAN HAVING TO BUILD A POOL OF SUBSIDIZING THE PASSES FOR PEOPLE FROM 5 DOLLARSDOWN TO 3 DOLLARS SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE THE CITY IS GAIN OF A TA

. >> COMMISSIONER: AND I REMEMBER IT NOT LIKING IT AT THE TIME BECAUSE I LIKE THE INDOOR POOL AND I WENT TO THE Y AND I TOOK ALL THEIR CLASSES.

WHAT IS GREAT. IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM I LOVE THE Y. I HAD MY KIDS IN THEIR PROGRAMS BUT I DIDN'T LIKE IT BECAUSE WE WERE LOSING THE INDOOR AND BACK THEN WE HAD THE AQUATIC CENTER BUT IT WAS LIMITED ON IT HOURS AS WELL AND AGREE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AFTER OUR HOURS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN I WENT WITH MY MOM. SO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN OTHER WAYS BUT WHEN IT CAME TO THE POOL IT LOOKED LIKE A LOVELY STRUCTURE BUT MY FEELINGS BACK IN WERE THE CITY SHOULD BE BUILDING THIS BECAUSE THEN EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO IT.

THEY DECIDED TO INVEST IN THAT POOL AND WHAT THEY DID WHICH IS GOOD. THE YMCA BENEFITS VICTORIA BUT I REMEMBER THAT WAS MY LOT BACK THEN BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS THE PLAN AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO LOSE MY POOL.

IT DOES SERVE THE COMMUNITY BUT MAYBE WE EXPANDED AND MAKE IT WHERE IT CAN'T BECAUSE HE CAN CREATE OTHER POOLS THEY CAN BE

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IT HAD POTENTIAL TO GROW TO A WATERPARK BASED ON THE PREVIOUS ONE. I HAD LOOKED INTO THE YMCA AND EVERYTHING. BUT IT WAS REALLY COOL AND I THOUGHT WELL, IT WILL BRING PEOPLE AND IT OBVIOUSLY IS.

>> SPEAKER: WE KNEW AT WHAT IS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, WE DO SCHOLARSHIPS AND WE COULD HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO COME USE THE POOL THAT ARE NOT PAYING THE DAY FEE THEY ARE ON SCHOLARSHIP. SO THEY PAY LESS THAN 5

DOLLARSTO USE THE POOL ALSO. >> SPEAKER: I APPRECIATE THE TIME I'M SORRY IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO

THIS MORE OFTEN SO WE CAN COME. >> COMMISSIONER: IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT YOU THAT WE CAN HELP YOU ALL

WITH? >> SPEAKER: YOU ASKED ME TO QUESTION IT WOULD BE A CONTRACT.

OUR CONTRACT WITH AETNA IS $26,000.

>> COMMISSIONER: $26,000 - >> SPEAKER: FOR THE SUMMER.

LESS HOURS LESS TIME. >> COMMISSIONER: YOU GET

NOTHING FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS? >> SPEAKER: YES.

AND THAT IS HOW EVERY OTHERWISE I'VE BEEN IN WE ALWAYS DID THE CITY POOLS AND WE DID THE CONTRACTS.

AND WE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO COST.

WE ONLY CHARGED, WE HIRE ALL THE LIFEGUARDS WE DO ALL THAT STUFF WE SCHEDULE AND DO ALL THAT STUFF AND WE ONLY CHARGE FOR WHAT THE COST IS. WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY AND THEIR POOL AND WE ARE THERE TO

STUFF IT. >> DOES EDNA OR ANY OF THE OTHER POOLS DO THEY CHARGE A ENTRY FEE?

WHAT IS THEIRS? >> SPEAKER: I CAN CERTAINLY THAT INFO AND GET IT TO YOU BECAUSE I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO. AND PULL ASSESS WE JUST DID THAT AND WITHOUT POOL WHAT WE DID IS IT IS INTERESTING FOR THE CITY SOLD IT TO THE SHELL FOUNDATION OUT OF CORPUS AND THEN WE CONTRACT WITH THE EDWARD SHALL FOUNDATION TO OPEN THE POOL AND MANAGE THE POOL. THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS YOU CAN DO IT. IT IS SOMETHING WE DO AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS OPEN AND AVAILABLE.O WE WILL DO IT ANYWAY WE CAN. SO MY PREFERENCE IN ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION WOULD BE IF I AM THERE IN 2017 IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT WOULD COST US WAY TOO MUCH MONEY.

IT WOULD BE THE CITY'S POOL AND I WOULD SAY WE CAN STAFF IT AND AGAIN THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OR

COULD BE DOING. >>.

>> CHAIR: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING TODAY I APPRECIATE

IT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

[5. Parks and Recreation Department Update]

>> CHAIR: ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE

PARKS? >> COMMISSIONER: IS THERE ANYWAY WE CAN PUSH THE LAST AGENDA ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING DO TO TIME? CAN WE DO THAT? THE PARKS UPDATE? I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVED THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM TO THE NEXT MEETING DUE TO THE

LATE HOUR. >> CHAIR: HOWEVER YOU WOULD

LIKE TO PROCEED. >> COMMISSIONER: I AM GOOD.

>> CHAIR: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE IS THERE A SECOND?

ALL IN FAVOR? >> COMMISSIONER: WHAT IS THE

MOTION? >> CHAIR: TO NOT DO THE PARKS AND REC UPDATE RIGHT NOW BUT TO DO IT NEXT TIME.

THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> COMMISSIONER: I HAVE BEEN HERE AND TELL NINE FOR MEETINGS

GOOD AND GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER: WE HAVE TO

VOTE. >> CHAIR: I AM ASKING?

ALL IN FAVOR? >> COMMISSIONER: AYE.

>> CHAIR: OPPOSED?

>> COMMISSIONER: NOTHING TOO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS ONE BUT HOWEVER YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO PROCEED.

>> CHAIR: I THINK WE VO. >> SPEAKER: OKAY WE WILL

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>> CHAIR: HURRY UP WOULD YOU? [LAUGHTER]

>> SPEAKER: I AM ON IT BOSS! PARKS AND RECREATION UPDATE FOR JULY WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE HAD THE 2022 CITY LEADERSHIP ACADEMY IT WAS THE FIRST ACADEMY THAT WE HAD FROM THE CITY AND SO WE HAD TO INDIVIDUALS FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ATTEND MR. STEPHEN GALLAGHER WHO IS RIGHT BEHIND THE POLICE OFFICER HE'S OUR PARK SUPERINTENDENT AND DENNIS DIXON WHOSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE POLICE OFFICER OUR GOLF COURSE SUPERINTENDENT. KUDOS TO THEM THEY WENT THROUGH A TWO WEEK LONG LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.

ARCS AND RECREATION. WE HAVE REALLY, IT HAS BEEN HOT SO WE BEEN GOING DUST AND WHEN WE HAVE BEEN MOWING DUST WE ARE DOING YOUR TYPICAL MAINTENANCE. MOWING THE BALLFIELDS.

OF COURSE THE ASSISTED WITH THE FOURTH OF JULY EVENT AND THAT ONE IS AN AREA I WANT TO TALK TO ALL ABOUT LATER BUT WE DID REMOVE - MY BAD, BALL WEERTS? IT LOOKS LIKE AND I FROM HERE.

TO ELSE. WE ARE GOOD.

POLLARD'S. WE DID REMOVE THE BOLLARDS AND THAT WAS AT TRACY PARK. YOU CAN SEE THE BOTTOM AT ONE OF THOSE PICTURES YOU CAN SEE ALL THE BOLLARDS THAT ARE THERE RIGHT AFTER TOBACCO AND YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE AND WE ALSO SCRAPE THE ROADWAY IF YOU WILL AND THE MATTED AREA THAT YOU SEE THE DISCOLORED AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THE PARKING SPACES WHERE GRASS WAS THAT AT ONE POINT. WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT NOT ONLY IS THE GRASS ENCROACHING ON THE PARKING LOT IT ALSO MEANS THAT THE TEAM HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND READ IT AND MOW IT.

NOW THAT WE REMOVED ALL THE BOLLARDS AND CLEAN THE AREAS UP NOT ONLY DO HAVE THE GOOD PARKING SPACE YOU HAVE THE LESS MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD PICTURE TO SHOW YOU THE REASON BEHIND WE STARTED REMOVING THOSE BOLLARDS.

THIS WAS A BIG CIRCLE AREA ON THE FAR RIGHT AND THERE WAS A CIRCLE AREA WHERE WE HAD BOLLARDS ALL AROUND IN A CIRCLE AND IT MADE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

THAT'S THE STUFF WE ENDED UP YANKING OUT AND TRYING TO FIX.

WE ALL REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A VERY FAMOUS BOLLARD HATER.

>> SPEAKER: I AM! TO ME IT MAKES SENSE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE AND IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE HERE!

LET'S PULL IT OUT! >> COMMISSIONER: SOMEONE PROCEEDING YOU WAS A BOLLARD LOVER.

>> SPEAKER: I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR FAMILY GET-TOGETHERS DURING ANGST GIVING AND CHRISTMAS WE TALK ABOUT THAT.

WE COULDN'T STAND THEM SO WE GOT RID OF THEM.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON ARE THE SPLASH PADS.

THE PICTURE YOU SEE AT THE TOP IS THE COMMITTEE CENTER PARK SPLASH PAD. DURING THE LAST MEETING I TOLD YOU WE WOULD HAVE A SOFT OPENING AND WE DID AND EVERYTHING WAS GOOD AND WE PUSHED IT OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER PARK SPLASH PAD IS UP AND RUNNING.

NO ISSUES REALLY WHATSOEVER SO THAT'S A GOOD THING.

THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT WE ARE STILL BANGING OUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL WITH A CONTRACTOR THAT IS OVER WATER PLAY. THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM I DON'T WANT TO GET WRONG. OVER WATER PLAY.

WE HAVE SINCE DECIDED NOT TO CONTACT THEM ANYMORE WE REACHED OUT TO ANOTHER VENDOR WHO IS PLANNING TO HELP US.

THEY ARE COMING DOWN NEXT WEEK TO TAKE A LOOK HERE TWO DIFFERENT COMPLETE DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE PRODUCT BUT NONETHELESS HOPEFULLY WE HAVE AN ANSWER WHAT THE ISSUE IS NEXT WEEK SO WE CAN START

WORKING TO FIX THAT. >> COMMISSIONER: THE PROBLEM OVER THERE IS WITH THE MACHINERY AND NOT THE SITE ITSELF BECAUSE WE HAD PROBLEMS AT THE COMMITTEE CENTER?

>> SPEAKER: YES SIR. IT WAS A CULMINATION OF THE COMPETECOMMUNITY PARK WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE COMPONENTS AND ALSO THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE CONCRETE AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO REPAIR THAT TO A MINIMUM SO AT LEAST THERE'S NOT A TRIP HAZARD. TRACY PARK IS A DIFFERENT CHARACTER THERE. JUST THE INSTALLATION IS UNIQUE SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT EXCEPT THAT WE NEED TO GET SOMEBODY HERE DEALS WITH THE STUFF ON A DAILY BASIS TO HELP US FIGURE IT OUT. THE NEXT ONE IS RECREATION.

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IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ASK KIMBERLY SHE KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT RECREATION. WE HAD COOL STUFF GOING ON AND TYPICALLY OUR BASIC STUFF WE CALL IT BASIC BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONTINUOUSLY LOCATING.

WE HAD A FATHER'S DAY GIFT GIVEAWAY WAS REALLY COOL WE HAD TO BE PULLED OUT ONE NIGHT AND WE HAD AN ICY DAY WITH RAISING CAIN AND THAT WAS COOL. SOMETHING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH THE COMMUNITY SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT DONE IN THE PAST AND ONE THING WE DID WAS A NINTENDO NIGHTCLUB.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE NINTENDO NIGHTCLUB ONE OF THE GAMES THEY HAD GOING ON. WE HAD ONE OF OUR AWESOME PARKS TEAM MEMBERS THAT ATTENDED. AND ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT GOOD STUFF ABOUT THE NINTENDO NIGHTCLUB AND PEOPLE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT.

IT'S DEFINITELY A PROGRAM THAT WE WILL CONTINUE WITH.

>> I WANT TO SAY I AM CONTINUING TO BE IMPRESSED WITH THE VARIETY OF ACT IS THAT PULL OFF IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND

BETTER. >> COMMISSIONER: THEY ARE DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB. MY KIDS ARE ATTENDING THESE AND THEY LOVE THEM. THEY WENT TO THE VIDEOGAME NIGHT AND OF COURSE THE ONE THAT WAS THE ENTIRE WEEK LONG THEY ABSOLUTELY LOVED LUTELY LOVED IT.

IT WAS WONDERFUL THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN VERY AFFORDABLE IN MOST OF THESE THINGS ARE FREE.

MY OLDEST ALSO DID THE SWEET TEA AND LOVED IT.

IT'S FUN. I'VE NEVER SEEN PROGRAMS GOING ON LIKE THIS IN VICTORIA THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE THAT I'VE SEEN THIS GO ON WITH PROGRAMMING SO THIS IS GREAT I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.

>> SPEAKER: KUDOS TO KIMBERLY AND HER TEAM BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN DOING THE RECREATIONAL DIVISION AND PROGRAM.

>> SPEAKER: WE HAVE WONDERFUL RECREATION PROGRAMMERS.

SINCE JUNE WE'VE ONLY HAD TWO OF THEM SWORE DOWN ONE PERSON

THERE INCREDIBLE. >> CHAIR: IN THE THING IS IT'S FUN. I WENT OVER BY THE PARK AND I'M LIKE YEP I'M GOING THERE! IT WAS FUN.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF ACTIVITIES GOING ON AND I WOULD HAVE LOVED THIS GOING GOING EARLY ON GROWING UP.

>> SPEAKER: WE APPRECIATE IT. BECAUSE A CUP FULL MONTHS BACK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND IT TAKES A MINUTE TO GET GOING AND HOPEFULLY WHEN IT GETS GOING WE WILL CONTINUE TO FUND THAT WE

HAVE HERE IN VICTORIA. >> COMMISSIONER: THE TRAILS THE FEEDBACK I GET ON IT IS SO LOVED AND IT IS GROWING AND

GROWING. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS AWESOME IF THIS IS IN GREAT, IF IT DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT FOAMED UP IS ALL ABOUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL. THAT LITTLE KID IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAD A GREAT TIME. AND OF COURSE WE HAD OUR CITY OF VICTORIA DODGEBALL AND THOSE ARE THE DODGEBALL CHAMPS THAT WE HAVE. SO YES A VARIETY OF EVERYTHING AND THIS IS IN THE ANNEX OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER WE TALKED TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT UTILIZING THE COMMUNITY CENTER MORE RECREATIONAL EVENTS AND THIS IS ONE THAT CAME OUT OF IT.

ZING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID WITH RECREATION HERE'S A SNIPPET OF DATA FOR YOU. YOU CAN TELL WE HAVE POSTED 20 PROGRAMS WITH A LITTLE OVER 1100 PARTICIPANTS.

WE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH ALL THE LEAGUES THAT WERE GOING ON. WE HAD EIGHT LEAGUES WITH 60 TEAMS WITH ROUGHLY OVER 100 GAMES.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE HAD COMMENTS ABOUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE IS THERE. WE HAVE AN EXCELLENT TEAM THAT TAKES CARE OF MARKETING AND HOPEFULLY IT CAN ONLY GO UP FROM HERE. ALL RIGHT.

HERE ARE SOME UPCOMING RECREATION PROGRAMS. I COULD NOT GET THEM ALL ON THE OTHER SLIDE COMMISSIONER AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I HAVE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE I CAN PUT THEM ALL ON

THEIR. >> COMMISSIONER: IS SO GOOD THAT YOU HAVE SO MANY EVENTS GOING ON THAT YOU CANNOT PUT

THEM ON ONE PAGE. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

A QUICK SNIPPET ON THE UPCOMING RECREATION PROGRAMS WE HAVE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE IN PARTICULAR.

>> SPEAKER: WHAT IS SUPER IMPORTANT IS JULY IS NATIONAL PARKS IMMIGRATION MONTH. ALI DIDN'T SEE YOUR POWERPOINT.

I WAS SO EXCITED. >> SPEAKER: IS A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. SO WHERE COMMUNITY GROWS IS REALLY THE HIGHLIGHT AND TEAM OF WHAT WE ARE DOING THIS MONTH. I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE FOR THE

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DEFINITELY COME ON OUT THEY ARE WORKING REALLY HARD JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN JULY BUT THAT WHEN IN PARTICULAR.

>> COMMISSIONER: ISELLE WATER TWISTER AND I THOUGHT THAT'S

DIFFERENT I LIKE THAT. >> SPEAKER: THAT SOUNDS LIKE FUN. AS KIMBERLY MENTIONED PARKS AND REC CREATION MONTH IS ALWAYS JULY.

THE PARKS ASSOCIATION WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN A PROX MINUTE FROM THE MAYOR DURING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING FOR THIS MONTH.

YOU CAN SEE HERE ALL THE ACTIVITIES WE HAVE ALL OF THIS IS IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING THAT I SHOWED YOU ON THE OTHER SLIDE ALSO WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IS A CONTINUED PROGRAM.

A LOT OF EXTRA STUFF GOING ON AND WE NEED THE THIRD PERSON

FOR RECREATION. >> COMMISSIONER: WHEN DO YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT YOUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR?

>> SPEAKER: WE ARE ALREADY DONE CARED WE SUBMITTED THAT IN

FEBRUARY. >> COMMISSIONER: GOOD.

>> SPEAKER: GOLF COURSE I WANTED TO GIVE THE STAFF ON LAST MONTH LAST MONTH WENT REALLY WELL.

WE HAD CLOSE TO 300 TOURNAMENT ROUNDS A LITTLE OVER 8500 ROUNDS TOTAL. THERE ARE SOME EVENTS THAT WILL BE TAKING PLACE THIS MONTH AND ONE THING I WOULD NOTE IS SEPTEMBER 18 AND 19TH WILL BE THE GREEN ZERO AND THE FRONT NINE AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WILL BE THE BACK NINE.

IF YOUR GOING OUT TO THE GOLF COURSE I WOULD AVOID THOSE TWO DAYS JUST A HEADS UP. AND ONE THING THAT'S REALLY COOL THIS IS THE HOTTEST EGG SCRAMBLE AND THIS WAS GOING TO BE A SCHOOL SUPPLY DRIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF THAT AND IT WILL BE REALLY HOT AS HECK OUT THERE.

GOING ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE OF COURSE THE STAT ARE IN THE SNAPSHOT SO LAST MONTH'S ROUNDS VERSUS I SHOULD SAY MAY ROUNDS VERSUS JUNE ROUNDS AND YOU CAN SEE WE ARE CONTINUING TO INCREASE OUR ROUNDS FROM JUNE OF LAST YEAR IN COMPARISON TO THIS YEAR. SAME THING OVERALL WE ARE SITTING AT A LITTLE OVER 1000 ROUNDS AS TO WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR AT THE SAME TIME. SAME THING WITH GOLF REVENUES THANKFULLY THOSE MIRROR ARE ROUND INCREASES AND SO TO DATE WE ARE A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION IN REVENUE COMPARED TO LAST YEAR WE WERE SHY OF $1 MILLION IN REVENUE.

WE ARE CONTINUING THE UPPER TRENDS.

I CAN TELL YOU THE NEW CARTS WERE BROUGHT INTO THE GOLF COURSE THIS PAST WEEK AND SO ALL OF THEM BUT EIGHT HAVE A GPS SYSTEM IN THEM. WERE WAITING FOR THE GPS SYSTEM TO GET OUT OF THE OLD CART INTO THE NEW CARTS AND WILL HAVE A

FULL FLEET AGAIN. >> CHAIR: DO YOU PAY A MONTHLY

FEE GPS? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE HAVE A GOOD SITE.

>> COMMISSIONER: YOU ALL ARE SELLING THEM?

>> SPEAKER: IT IS A TRADE BACK .

THEY WILL GIVE US A CREDIT ON THEM DEPENDING ON HOW GOOD OR BAD SHAPE THEY ARE IN. SO WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. ALEX HAD ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER PAID YOU HAD STARTED SEE THIS COMING THROUGH YOUR EMAIL. SPORTS TOURNAMENTS AND EVENTS.

ALEX IS GOING TO OVERSEE THE FLYERS AS IT RELATES TO SPORTING EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND IN ADDITION HE WILL SEND THE EVENTS FLYER WHICH IS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT COMES AS A PARK RENTAL THROUGH THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THIS ISN'T A FULL LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS A LIST OF WHAT WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT IS TAKING PLACE IN THE PARK SYSTEM. I WANTED TO BE SURE ON THAT IF YOU WEREN'T -IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE EVENTS WERE FOR THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. THE THIRD PAGE THAT HE SENDS IS A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER: I REALLY LIKE THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHAT IS THE JULY 14 SCRAP?

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> COMMISSIONER: HAVE YOU EVER BEEN?

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>> COMMISSIONER: NO. >> COMMISSIONER: IT FEELS REAL

RIGHT? >> COMMISSIONER: I THINK IT IS REAL! [LAUGHTER]

>> COMMISSIONER: IT FEELS LIKE WHAT THEY DO ON TV THERE'S A REAL RING IN THE CENTER YOU PUT CHAIRS AROUND SO YOU ARE 360 AROUND. IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

>> SPEAKER: HAS THIS BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME YEARS?

>> COMMISSIONER: ABOUT FIVE YEARS OR SO.

IT'S BEEN GREAT. I FEEL LIKE IT IS ONCE A YEAR.

>> CHAIR: I THINK THERE'S ONE OR TWO THAT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BUT THEY ARE NOT BACK-TO-BACK BY ANY MEANS.

THEY ARE SPLIT OUT. >> COMMISSIONER: WE HAVE REALLY GOOD FIGHTERS HERE. I TRY TO ATTEND EVERYTHING BUT IT REALLY IS INTERESTING. WE HAVE GREAT FIGHTERS THAT I MEAN, WHAT IS THE BIG ONE? UFC.

WE HAVE A FIGHTER IN TOWN THAT IS DOING A UFC FIGHT THIS YEAR.

HE WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO WOULD SHOW UP TO THE TAVERN SCRAP AND HE DID A FEW YEARS AGO AND NOW HE'S AT THIS LEVEL IT IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. NOW I AM MAKING DREAM COMES

TRUE FOR PEOPLE. >> SPEAKER: THAT IS WHAT PARKS AND REC IS ALL ABOUT, RIGHT? [LAUGHTER] ONE THING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FOR A MOMENT IS THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND COLLABORATION. I HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE BUT KIMBERLY AND I ATTENDED THE QUEEN CITY REVITALIZATION AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION AND IT HAPPENS ONCE A MONTH.

THERE HAS BEEN MOST RECENTLY THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PARK AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN ON SOME OF THE THINGS WE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND IF YOU A QUICK SNAPSHOT. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE QUEEN CITY AND WILL ROGERS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE ARE FOCUSING OUR EFFORT ON. OF COURSE THE QUEEN CITY IS THE FOCAL POINT BECAUSE IT IS THE QUEEN CITY REVITALIZATION EFFORTS. REALLY IT IS A BUNCH OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET TOGETHER TO BRING A LITTLE MORE FUN TO THE AREA OF THE QUEEN CITY AND THEN ALSO TRY TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED OVER THERE QUITE HONESTLY. SO THIS ORDER THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS WHERE WE ARE SEEING OUR EFFORTS TO GET SURVEYS OUT AND REACH OUT TO THE FOLKS WHO LIVE THERE, WORK THERE OR RESIDE IN THIS AREA.

FEW MONTHS AGO THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT WAS PUSHED OUT FROM THIS GROUP AND THEY ASKED A WIDE RANGE OF QUESTIONS. NONE OF THOSE QUESTIONS WAS A SUGGESTION FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS FOR BOTH AREAS.

THIS IS WHAT CAME UP OF IT. I DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS I CAN GIVE YOU THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT HAS THE TALLIES AND WHAT PEOPLE SAID ABOUT THE PARK BUT TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT THEY REALLY WANT TO SEE THEIR PARK BACK.

THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO SEE THE PARK BE USED AS A PARK AND IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN BY QUEEN CITY I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK. THE PARK IS VACANT.

IT HAS A BASKETBALL COURT AND A PAVILION.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PART.

THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO DURING THIS MEETING WAS THAT WE NEED TO START INVESTING SMALL INCREMENTS OF MONEY BACK INTO THE PARK AND TRIED TO DO MORE PROGRAMS. THERE WAS EVEN A COMMENTS MADE ABOUT CLOSING DOWN THE PARK AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A CONVERSATION ABOUT POSING DOWN THE PARK. THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT WANT THE PART CLOSED. THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE THERE DON'T WANT THE PART CLOSED.

THEY WANT SOMETHING ELSE AT THE PARK THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT.

THEY WANT FAMILIES THERE AND DRUGS OUT.

ALL THE BAD STUFF THAT HAPPENS THAT TAKES PEOPLE NOT WANT TO GO TO THE PARK SO WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE BEEN HAVINGNG.

I THINK WHAT KIMBERLY AND I ARE GOING TO BE DOING IS WORKING ON THE BUDGETS FOR NEXT YEAR AND STARTING TO WRITE DOWN SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS OF I WANT TO SEE THE PARK BE AN ACTUAL PARK BUT WHAT CAN WE USE THE PARK FOR? WE KNOW WE CAN'T PUT A PLAYGROUND OUT THERE AND CALL IT DONE.

IF WE PUT A PLAYGROUND OUT THERE KNOW IS GOING TO GO THERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE BECAUSE YOU'VE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DOING ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES THAT MAKE IT NOT ATTRACTIVE FOR A FAMILY TO GO AND PLAY THE PARK BUT NONETHELESS WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

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SOME OF THE THINGS REALLY QUICKLY WERE WORKING WITH THE CHURCH THAT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO CREATE MORE EVENTS AT QUEEN CITY. ONE OF THINGS WE CAN DO THE SECOND THING WE CAN DO IS TO ADD SMALL AMENITIES NOT NECESSARILY A PLAYGROUND BUT SMALL AMENITIES AT FIRST.

MAYBE THERE ARE SWING SETS THAT NEED TO COME DIFFERENT AMENITIES LIKE THAT AND ULTIMATELY A PLAYGROUND.

LOOKING AT THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS A PLAYGROUND IS NOT EXPENSIVE YOU TALKING ABOUT A $100,000 PLAYGROUND VERSUS A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR FACILITY. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK OUT THE LOW HANGING FRUIT IS AND TRY TO TAKE IT AND TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO BETWEEN INCREASING AMENITIES THERE AT THE PARK AND RUNNING THAT PARALLEL FOR CREATING NEW EVENTS WITH THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WERE AT WITH THE LAST MEETING WE HAD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS I WOULD DEFINITELY

RECOMMEND THEM. >> THE PIE CHART WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED TO THE PARK?

>> YES AND SPECIFICALLY THIS REDLINED AREA APPEARED THE SURVEY WAS ONLY SENT TO THE FOLKS INSIDE THIS REDLINED.

>> COMMISSIONER: CALL A SPADE A SPADE.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE VAGRANCY WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HANG OUT THERE. THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY NEED SOMEWHERE TO GO BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARK THING THAT'S HOLDING THE PARK BACK IS THAT THERE ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE DOING DRUGS AT THE PARK AND YOU CAN DRIVE BY ANYTIME OF THE DAY AND YOU CAN SEE IT.

THERE'S TRASH THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT.

YOU CAN PUT ALL THE AMENITIES THAT YOU WANT IN THERE AND IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF WHY PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THERE BECAUSE OF SAFETY AND THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS THERE IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU PUT IN THERE OR ACTIVITIES.

DO NOT GOING TO WANT TO SEND PEOPLE THERE.

I THINK YOU HIT IT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WORKING WITH THE CHURCH OR THE PROGRAM. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MAIN THING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER: I AGREE. START MAKING IT SAFE.

>> SPEAKER: PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT AMENITIES AND I AGREE THERE'S NOT A LOT AT THE PARK BUT IF YOU PUT THOSE AMENITIES AND IF IT STILL DIRTY AND UNSAFE NO ONE'S GOING TO USE

IT. >> SPEAKER: I THINK A LOT OF IT, TO IS GETTING THE NEIGHBORS ON BOARD AND WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY VENDORS IN THE AREA BUT THEY STATE THE SAME THING THEY WANT THEIR PARK BACK.

A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION IS WE NEED TO CALL AN ACT ON WHEN WE SEE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE VAGRANTS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE CAUSING THE ISSUES BUT IT'S NOT JUST THAT EASY. THERE'S MULTIPLE FACTORS THAT ALSO PLAY INTO THAT SO I AGREE. I AGREE.

IT'S DIFFICULT. >> COMMISSIONER: IT DOES CALL FOR A SOLUTION THAT IS NOT APPARENT TO MOST OF US WHAT DO YOU DO FOR THEM THAT LIVE THERE TO GET THEIR PARK BACK.

YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS VERY COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THERE THAT CONSTITUTE THE ISSUES IN THE AREA. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO JUST DISPLACE ALL OF THAT. I MEAN, IF YOU COULD YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE? ANYWAY IT'S DIFFICULT.

I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON IT AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> COMMISSIONER: DID YOU ALSO TALK TO CHRIST'S KITCHEN?

>> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. KIMBERLY CAN PROBABLY.

>> COMMISSIONER: : THE COMMUNI MEMBERS BETTER THAN I CAN BUT THERE'S A SLEW OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED.

CHRIST'S KITCHEN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY. PEOPLE OF VICTORIA, GULF COAST

COAST GOLF BAND. >> SPEAKER: REALLY IS.

OUR MEETINGS ARE HELD IN CHRIST KITCHEN.

WE HAVE TWO DOZEN TO 30 PEOPLE ALL THE WAY TO THE ELEMENTARY

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END OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. >> COMMISSIONER: COULD THIS TURN INTO AN ILLEGAL GRAFFITI PARK? I UNDERSTAND IT GOES AWAY BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE MENTIONED BEFORE WAS BECOMING A GRAFFITI PARK.

IT MIGHT GO AGAINST WHAT THEY WANT.

>> I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHERE COMING FROM BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE THING TO PUT THEIR.

WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS FAMILY AMENITY ASPECT.

THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HAVING SOME TYPE OF A COMMUNITY CENTER THERE AND BUILDING AN EXTENDED CHRIST KITCHEN BUT THAT WOULD ALSO SUGGEST FACILITY LOOK AT THE PARK AND SAY IS THAT THE PARK OR THE CITY THAT WANTS TO DO THIS? AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE'S NO PARKING. THERE'S OTHER OBSTACLES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT BUT ANYWAY I WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR

ATTENTION. >> COMMISSIONER: IS SEEMS TO ME I'M THINKING ABOUT WHAT OTHER CITIES DO WERE TALKING ABOUT PARK RESTORATION OR REVITALIZATION AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ONLY WAY TO GO BAD IT IS TO TRULY EMPOWER THOSE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FAMILIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TAKE THE PARK HE PARK BACK.

IT HAS TO BE A GRASSROOTS EFFORT SUPPORTED BY THE ENTIRE

CITY SERVICES. >> COMMISSIONER: I AGREE.

>> COMMISSIONER: THE FIRST THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND RIGHT BEHIND THAT WAS A COMMUNITY GARDEN WHERE A SERIES OF COMMUNITY GARDEN PLOTS WERE LAID OUT AND THEN YOU PROVIDE PEOPLE WITH EDUCATION OR HOW TO DO THAT.

I KNOW WE ARE IN WATER BUT THAT GETS PEOPLE IN THE SPACE SENDING THEIR GARDEN MEETING THE NEIGHBORS IT GOES BACK TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY HUB SAYING. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DRIVE OUT ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE THERE AND GROWING IT AND ALL THAT. THAT WAS THE FIRST IDEA THAT I HAD BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PEOPLE IN THE SPACE THEY WANT TO BE IN THE SPACE AND HAVE A COMMITMENT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT ARE THERE TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND SO.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER: I ALSO THOUGHT IF YOU PROGRAMS DOWN THERE AND YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE IT'S GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE DOWN THERE THAT ARE DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE DOING. WHEN WE HAVE A COP PROGRAM OR FAMILY NIGHT OUT THAT WILL DRIVE OUT PEOPLE REALLY FAST IF WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE THAT ARE CITY PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO DO THEIR ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AROUND THEIR.

>> COMMISSIONER: WE MIGHT DO A COOL PARTNERSHIP WITH CHRIST KITCHEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO A COMMUNITY GARDEN.

TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT WHOLE -ÁSPEAKER2Á HAVE YOU BEEN TO

THE NEW COMMUNITY GARDEN? >> COMMISSIONER: I HAVEN'T.

I LOVE A COMMUNITY GARDEN. I THINK THEY ARE GREAT.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHEN I LIVED ELSEWHERE WE HAD A GIANT PARK THEY HAD AN ACRE SET ASIDE FOR A COMMUNITY GARDEN AND THERE WAS A WAIT LIST FOR A 10 X 20' PLOT IN THE CITY PROVIDED WATER IT WAS FENCED AND IT WAS REALLY A GREAT EXPERIENCE BECAUSE A FRIEND OF MINE RENTED HER PLOT FOR $25 A YEAR BUT THE IMMIGRANT, THERE WAS SUCH A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT GARDEN AND YOU MEET PEOPLE AND I DON'T KNOW IT'S AN

IDEA. >> SPEAKER: NOTED.

I APPRECIATE IT. I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THIS CONVERSATION SUPER DEEP OR ANYTHING BUT I DEFINITELY WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE ALL AWARE AND IF THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU COULD THINK OF YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME OR

KIMBERLY. >> COMMISSIONER: HOW DO WE NOT MISS THIS ITEM? DO WE PUT IT BACK ON THE AGENDA IN A FEW MONTHS OR HOW DO WE NOT MISS THIS?

>> COMMISSIONER: SOME HOW CAN YOU SCHEDULE IT IN OCTOBER?

PICK A MONTH. >> SPEAKER: WE COULD DO THIS AS A PARALLEL WITH OUR QUARTERLY UPDATE BECAUSE TO BE HONEST WE BEEN MEETING FOR A WHILE AND IT DOES IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT TO GET TRACTION AND GET GOING ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE 25 TO 30 ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK IN

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TANDEM WITH EACH OTHER. >> COMMISSIONER: I RECOMMEND YOU PUT IT ON THE QUARTERLY REPORT AND CAN YOU FIND OUT WHEN THE MEETING IS SO WE CAN ATTEND THE MEETINGS?

>> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY I APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND WE WILL GET THAT OUT TO YOU THAT WAY IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND YOU CAN. JUST LET ME KNOW SO WE DON'T HAVE A NO GO. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON WHERE THE PROJECTS.

THIS ONE YOU HAVE SEEN MULTIPLE TIMES.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS REPORT AND SO ARE ALL GOOD THERE. A FIRMLY REMINDER THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN IS STILL ONGOING.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN UP DATE FOR YOU ON THE DUCK POND SO HERE'S A PICTURE THAT WE HAVE LAST TIME.

LIGHTS ON THE PARK HAVE BEEN INSTALLED TO THE ELECTRICAL OR THE MOST PART IS PRETTY WRAPPED UP.

WE ARE STARTING TO FILL THE POND SO THE POND HAS BEEN FILLED SINCE LAST WEEK. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINUTE TO FILL IT BUT WE DID HAVE TO KICK BACK OUR PURE INSTALLATION BECAUSE THE POND HAS TO BE FULL BEFORE WE INSTALL THE PEER.

WHAT WERE LOOKING RIGHT NOW IS AN AUGUST TIMELINE.

THE PEER HAS BEEN BUILT IT'S READY IT JUST NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED. WERE PUSHING IT TO AUGUST SO WE CAN HAVE TIME TO FILL UP THE POND ITSELF.

THE CONTRACTOR HAS GONE OUT THERE TO BASICALLY SMOOTH THINGS OUT AND PUT DOWN HYDRO SEED AND SO IF WE NEED ANY GREEN MATERIAL THUS WHAT IT IS THE HYDRO SEED AND THE ONLY OTHER COMPONENT THAT WE ARE MISSING IS THE GAZEBO.

THAT ONE I NEED TO TOUCH BASE WITH OUR CONSULTANT ON BECAUSE WE ARE RIGHT AROUND THE SEPTEMBER TIMELINE.

THAT'S A MANUFACTURING ISSUE SOMETHING WE ALREADY ORDERED BACK IN LATE FEBRUARY OR MARCH A MANUFACTURING ISSUE WERE WORKING ON BUT NONETHELESS WERE WORKING ON THAT TO BE DELIVERED

AND CORRECT DID. >> CHAIR: IS THERE GOING TO BE A PUNCH LIST ON THIS BEFORE YOU ALL SIGN OFF? WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT?

>> SPEAKER: IT WILL PROBABLY BE KIMBERLY YES SIR.

IN ADDITION WE WILL HAVE THE CONSULTANT BRENT LOCKE IS ALSO A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER THAT WE HIRED HIM FOR AND SO THAT IS PART OF HIS CONTRACT AS WELL TO GO THROUGH IT THE SAME THING

WITH THE DOG PARK. >> COMMISSIONER: I ASSUME THE FISH TO BE STOCKED WILL BE THE LAST THING?

>> SPEAKER: YES MA'AM THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

THAT WILL BE THE AQUATICS INSTALLED AND THAT WILL BE RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE. THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE ARE WAITING ON. A CONTRACTOR IS SUPPOSED TO REDUCE SOME OF THE ASPHALT IN THE FRONT AND ALSO ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF WHERE THE GAZEBO PARKING LOT IS AT WILL HAVE SOME ASPHALT DONE BY THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S A CHANGE ORDER WE WERE ABLE TO FIND MONEY FROM.

YES, SIR? >> CHAIR: GO AHEAD AND FINISH.

>> SPEAKER: WE DO HAVE ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT WERE REALLOCATED OR ALLOCATED TO THE PROJECT.

JUST AS AARON INCH AND THE SIGN IS ANOTHER THING WE ADD TO IT.

DO HAVE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR SOME OF THE ITEMS TO MAKE SURE IT'S A LEGITIMATE PROJECT BEFORE IT'S ALL DONE.

B1 HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO PETS UNLIMITED? WHENEVER THEY DO DUCK HABITAT THEY WILL GIVE GRANTS FOR.

>> SPEAKER: NO I HAVE NOT. CAN YOU HELP ME REMEMBER TO REACH OUT TO KATIE? WE WILL GET OUR GRANT ADMINISTRATOR TO SEE WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT SO WE CAN POTENTIALLY APPLY TO SOMETHING. THE.

>> COMMISSIONER: I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DOCKS.

THERE AT THE RIVER BY THE WAY. THERE AT THE RIVER AND THEY ARE

LIVING THEIR BEST LIFE. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S AWESOME.

THAT'S IT WITH THE DUCK POND IT'S A BIG ITEM SO SCHEDULE FOR

OCTOBER TO BE COMPLETE. >> COMMISSIONER: WHEN WE DO THE SIDEWALKS CAN WE MAKE THEM A WIDER PATH, PLEASE, ANYTIME WE ARE PUTTING THOSE AND BECAUSE IT'S REALLY CONGESTED AND YOU TRY TO PASS PEOPLE ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE

STROLLERS. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S HONESTLY SOMETHING WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AND WHERE YOU PUT THEM BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE SOMETIMES.

THIS CURRENT PROJECT HAS 6 FOOT AND 5 FOOT AND A 7 A HALF FOOT FOR THE BOARDWALK. THERE'S SOME WITH DIFFERENCES

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AND THEN THE DOG PART THIS IS THE AREA THAT I SHOWED YOU LAST TIME BUT HERE'S SOME NEW PICTURES IF YOU HAD NOT BEEN BY THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT HAND IS THE ONE I SHOWED YOU PREVIOUSLY THE ONE ON THE LEFT SHOWS YOU THE DECORATIVE FENCING THAT'S GOING IN ALL ALONG THE FRONT AND MIDDLE AREA. HERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE HERE.

THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE WITH THE TREE AND IT IS WHERE THE TIMEOUT AREA WILL BE. IT WILL COVER THE MIDDLE SECTION OF THE PARK AND THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE YOU CAN SEE THE DECORATIVE FENCE AND GOING ALL THE WAY

DOWN. >> IS THAT LOOKING OUT TOWARDS

THE ENTRANCE? >> YES, SIR THE PICTURE ON THE

RIGHT. >> THAT'S AT THE SMALL DOG

SIDE THAT WE ARE ON? >> CORRECT.

>> IT'S REALLY EXCITING BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DOG PART COMING IN THE DUCK POND. YOU DO SEE THINGS HAPPENING AT THE PARK RIGHT NOW AND THEN WITH ALL THE PROGRAMS YOU CAN'T

SAY THAT NOTHING IS BEING DONE. >> CHAIR: THERE IS A MAY

WHOLE. >> YES YOU CAN SEE THE CONCRETE AROUND IT.E MADE THE ADJUSTMENT ON THE FLY THAT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT WAS IN THE DRAWING BASICALLY IT LOOKED LIKE - YES, WE HAD TO INCORPARATE IT BETTER.

THE PICTURE IS ON THE FRONT. >> COMMISSIONER: WHEN YOU GO DOWN TO WHERE IT THE BOAT EXIT IS THE SIDEWALK HAS IMPRINTS FROM THE DOGS, SQUIRRELS, RACCOONS, WHATEVER IT'LL CRITTER PAWPRINTS IT'S REALLY ADORABLE IT WOULD BE REALLY ADORABLE TO SEE THE PAWPRINTS ON SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS AROUND THERE. WE COULD DO IT I THINK IT'S REALLY CUTE IF IT HAPPENED NATURALLY.EOPLE COMMENT ON

IT ALL THE TIME. >> THAT'S AWESOME.

I'M DEFINITELY EXCITED FOR IT COULD OPEN UP IN SEPTEMBER BUT IF WE ARE WAITING FOR THE SIGNAGE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE IN A TOBER TIMEFRAME.

WE CAN DO A SOFT OPENING IN AUGUST IN A RIBBON-CUTTING IN OCTOBER. BUT THAT IS TBD AND THAT'S IT REALLY. I DID HAVE THE PARKS AND RECREATION LIST WITH THE PROJECT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WANT TO GO THROUGH IT OR NOT.

I KNOW THAT WAS COMMISSIONER REPKA'S -

>> COMMISSIONER: I WOULD PREFER NOT TO.

>> CHAIR: I ASKED THAT WE MAKE THAT AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE

NEXT COMMISSION. >> SPEAKER: NO PROBLEM.

WE HAD THAT ON THE AGENDA AND FOR SOME REASON WE DID NOT.

>> COMMISSIONER: WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO WORK?

>> COMMISSIONER: THE 900 POUND GORILLA.

SUSTAINABILITY: ARE WE OFF AIR? >> CHAIR: WE ARE OFFICIALLY

CLOSED. CONGRATULATIONS.>> CHAIR: WE

CAN ADJOURN. >> COMMISSIONER: ONE MORE THING. WITH REGARDS TO THIS LIST CAN WE PLEASE PUT IT AS THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA NEXT TIME?

>> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. >> CHAIR: TEAM DID YOU HEAR

THAT? >> COMMISSIONER: BEFORE WE CUT OUT YOU HAVE DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB.

WE HAVE LOVED HAVING YOU AS A DIRECT ERROR.

IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH YOU I HAVE LEARNED SO

MUCH. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> CHAIR: WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN AND LET HIM TELL US

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