Jun 20, 2023 City Council

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GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR TUESDAY, JUNE 20TH, 2023.

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

COUNCILWOMAN SOLIS HERE.

COUNCILMAN CROCKER HERE.

COUNCILWOMAN SCOTT HERE.

MAYOR PRO TEM YOUNG HERE.

AND MAYOR BAUKNIGHT HERE.

AND WE ARE MISSING MR. LOFGREN THIS EVENING.

IF EVERYONE WILL PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGES, FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR, TEXAS FLAG.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE.

TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

MR. GARZA. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS AND OR REMINDERS?

[1. Announcements/Reminders:]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MAYOR.

WELL, THANK YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU FOR YESTERDAY.

YEAH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. IT'S CRAZY HOW WE BOTH JUST TURNED 30, LIKE, ONE DAY AFTER THE OTHER.

IT'S AWESOME. IT'S AWESOME.

I DO HAVE A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS EVENING.

I'LL BEGIN BY REMINDING YOU AND THE PUBLIC THAT THERE WILL BE A CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION ON FRIDAY, JUNE 30TH, AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER ANNEX.

THIS MEETING WILL BEGIN AT 9 A.M.

AND THIS MEETING IS IN LIEU OF THE USUAL EVENING SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE THE LAST WEEK IN JUNE TO GO OVER THE THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET. AND SO EXPECT A FULL DAY AND WE WILL PROVIDE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THROUGH IT.

SO THAT'S ON FRIDAY, JUNE 30TH.

WE DO HAVE A HOLIDAY COMING UP.

AND AS A REMINDER ON NON-EMERGENCY CITY OF VICTORIA, OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED ON TUESDAY, JULY 4TH.

HOWEVER, ALL GARBAGE RECYCLING AND YARD WASTE WILL BE COLLECTED AS NORMAL AND OFFICES WILL REOPEN AT 8 A.M.

ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 5TH.

BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING THE SPECIAL WORKS WORKSHOP ON JUNE 30TH AND JULY 4TH FALLING ON THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH.

WE HAVE DECIDED WITH YOUR SUPPORT, TO CANCEL THAT REGULARLY SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, JULY 4TH, AND WE WILL PICK BACK UP ON THE THIRD TUESDAY, WHICH IS JULY 18TH.

IT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS IS PRETTY MEATY ON BEHALF OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, ALSO RELATED TO 4TH OF JULY, JUST AS A REMINDER THAT PARKS AND REC WILL HOST ITS ANNUAL 4TH OF JULY CELEBRATION AT THE VICTORIA COMMUNITY CENTER GROUNDS.

THE EVENT OPENS AT 5 P.M.

AND THE FIREWORKS BEGINS AT 9:30 P.M.

DETAILS ABOUT THE EVENT AND ACTIVITIES CAN BE FOUND ON VICTORIA.

DOT GOV FORWARD SLASH PARKS.

ADDITIONALLY, ON BEHALF OF THE PARKS AND REC, THE COMMISSION HAS FOUR OPENINGS AVAILABLE FOR APPOINTMENT APPLICATIONS ARE DUE BY AUGUST 1ST AND CAN BE FOUND ON VICTORIA.

VICTORIA.GOV/BOARDS, COMMISSIONERS OR AT CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND ON BEHALF OF THE CVB.

APPLICATIONS FOR THE HOT FUNDS AWARDS WILL OPEN ON JULY 1ST AND CLOSE JULY 34TH 31ST.

ORGANIZATIONS AND BUSINESSES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN APPLYING WILL NEED TO ATTEND ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS ON JULY 6TH, 13TH, 20TH OR 27TH.

FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT THE CVB AT (361) 485-3116 OR VICTORIA.GOV/CVB.

AND ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA UNDER CITY MANAGER'S REPORT, JOEL WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON A RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THE HOT FUNDS AWARDS PROGRAM THIS UPCOMING YEAR.

AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING, MAYOR.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

AND WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC AND EMPLOYEE RECOGNITIONS.

[2. Public & Employee Recognitions:]

[a. Parks and Recreation Month Proclamation. Jeff Bauknight, Mayor]

AND. WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION PROMOTES TIME SPENT IN NATURE, WHICH POSITIVELY IMPACTS MENTAL HEALTH BY INCREASING COGNITIVE PERFORMANCE AND WELL-BEING AND ALLEVIATING ILLNESSES SUCH AS DEPRESSION, ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDERS AND ALZHEIMER'S.

AS. WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION ENCOURAGES PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES BY PROVIDING SPACE FOR POPULAR SPORTS, HIKING TRAILS AND MANY OTHER ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO PROMOTE ACTIVE LIFESTYLES. AND. WHEREAS, PARKS AND RECREATION INCREASES A COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY THROUGH THE EXPANSION OF LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASED TOURISM AND ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES AND CRIME REDUCTION.

AND. WHEREAS, OUR PARKS AND NATURE RECREATION AREAS ENSURE THE ECOLOGICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE A SPACE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH NATURE AND RECREATE OUTDOORS AND.

WHEREAS, U.S HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES HAS DESIGNATED JULY AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH.

WHEREAS. AND. WHEREAS, VICTORIA TEXAS RECOGNIZES THE BENEFITS DERIVED FROM PARKS AND RECREATION RESOURCES.

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR RECOGNIZING PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH FOR THE CITY OF VICTORIA.

ALL PARKS AND RECREATION PROFESSIONALS.

THIS IS THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE MOST FAVORITE MONTHS THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT SUMMERTIME WHERE EVERYBODY'S OUT AND ENJOYING ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE, BUT IT'S A TIME FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE BE RECOGNIZED AS THE LAND STEWARDS, AS RECREATION AND PARKS PROFESSIONALS.

SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU'VE CONTINUED TO PROVIDE OUR DEPARTMENT ALL THE PROGRAMS AND EVENTS AND INITIATIVES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I HOPE YOU ENJOY THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORKS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MR. GARZA, WE HELP US WITH THIS NEXT ONE.

[b. City Secretary's Office Achievement of Excellence Award Recognition. J...]

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

SO WE ALWAYS ENJOY RECOGNIZING SOME OF OUR AMAZING EMPLOYEES IN THE WORK THAT THEY DO.

AND SO TONIGHT, WE GET TO HONOR AND RECOGNIZE OUR STAFF WITH OUR CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.

AND I WILL ASK THEM TO TO STAND FIRST BEFORE I INTRODUCE OUR SPECIAL GUEST, APRIL HILL, BRICK, OF COURSE, OUR CITY SECRETARY, SANDRA WEST.

ASSISTANT SECRETARY.

I THINK THEY'RE IN THE BACK.

BECKY DIETZEL AND JACKIE PETTIS.

IT'S ACTUALLY JACKIE'S FIRST DAY, SO SHE SHOWED UP TO WORK TODAY FOR THE FIRST DAY, AND HERE SHE IS ALREADY GETTING RECOGNIZED.

THAT'S JUST AMAZING WORK.

AND TO HELP ME FURTHER RECOGNIZE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ACHIEVEMENT, I'M GOING TO ASK REBECCA HUERTA, WHO'S THE CORPUS CHRISTI CITY SECRETARY, AND TMK EXECUTIVE BOARD TRUSTEE REBECCA.

HELLO, EVERYONE.

AS JESUS MENTIONED, I AM HERE IN THE CAPACITY.

I'M ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE TEXAS MUNICIPAL CLERKS ASSOCIATION, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE SPECIAL AWARD TO CITY SECRETARY APRIL HOLBROOK AND HER TEAM.

SO THE AWARD THEY'RE RECEIVING, IT'S THE ACHIEVEMENT OF EXCELLENCE AWARD, AND IT RECOGNIZES MUNICIPAL CLERK OFFICES THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL STATUTES THAT GOVERN STANDARDS NECESSARY TO FULFILL THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE OFFICE.

SO SOME OF THE STANDARDS THAT HER OFFICE HAS MET ARE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT CERTIFICATIONS, GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY, ELECTIONS, OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND SHE ALSO SERVED AS THE LOCAL REGISTRAR FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL FOR THE COUNTY AS WELL.

SO ALL THOSE THINGS WERE STANDARDS THAT HER OFFICE MET.

AND OF THE 595 CITIES IN THE STATE, THE CITY OF VICTORIA IS ONE OF ABOUT 50 TO RECEIVE THIS AWARD.

SO IT'S AMAZING. BUT NOT ONLY THAT, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE RECEIVED IT THAT YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED IT.

RATHER, THE FIRST TIME WAS IN 2021 AND NOW IN 2023.

SO IT'S A CONTINUING EXCELLENCE THAT THE OFFICES IS HAS PROVIDED.

SO NONE OF THIS, OF COURSE, WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE LEADERSHIP AND DEDICATION OF CITY SECRETARY APRIL HOLBROOK AND HER WONDERFUL TEAM.

SO ON BEHALF OF THE TMK, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR AWARD AND I'D LIKE TO HAND THAT TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT.

APRIL. DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? THANK YOU, REBECCA. THANK YOU.

WE DO APPRECIATE BEING RECOGNIZED.

IT IS A LOT OF WORK.

THE DIFFERENT RESPONSIBILITIES OF OUR OFFICE VARIES AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO DO.

AND THEN SERVING AS THE LOCAL REGISTRAR FOR THE COUNTY TAKES UP A LOT OF OUR TIME.

SO THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT THE FRONT TWO LADIES IN OUR OFFICE HANDLE IS THAT THAT RESPONSIBILITY OF CONSTANT CUSTOMER SERVICE.

SO WE ALL PLAY AN INTEGRAL PART OF RECEIVING THIS AWARD AND I TRULY APPRECIATE THEM AS WELL.

THANK YOU. AWESOME.

THANK YOU. GREAT JOB. GREAT JOB.

APPRECIATE THAT WORK. ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS?

[3. Items from Council:]

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.

OKAY. D2 AND THREE, LEAVING US VERY SLIM THERE.

CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? D2 AND D3 PULL.

PULL THOSE. ALL RIGHT, MAN.

ANYTHING ELSE? GETTING PRESENTATIONS JUST IN CASE.

ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO INTO THE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION.

[4. Citizen Communication:]

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND INTERESTED CITIZENS.

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FOX TOLD US ABOUT AN ENCOUNTER SHE HAD WITH SOME CONCERNED GRANDPARENTS.

AS I REMEMBER THE STORY, THEY WERE FROM OUT OF TOWN, VISITING THE LIBRARY WITH GRANDCHILDREN.

THEY FOUND A COUPLE OF BOOKS IN THE CHILDREN'S SECTION THAT THEY FELT WERE INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE SUBJECT MATTER.

THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A GREAT TEACHING MOMENT.

THE GRANDPARENTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONGRATULATED FIRST ON TAKING THE TIME TO REVIEW THE BOOKS THAT THEIR CHILDREN WERE LOOKING AT.

IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS AND CAREGIVERS TO KNOW WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CHILDREN IN OUR CARE.

THE MESSAGE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED BY THE STATEMENT THAT THE LIBRARY IS FOR EVERYONE, BUT NOT EVERY BOOK IS FOR EVERYONE.

ANY GOOD LIBRARY WILL CONTAIN BOOKS THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL FIND OBJECTIONABLE.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY CONTAINS BOOKS WRITTEN BY BOTH DONALD TRUMP AND BARACK OBAMA.

RIGHT. ALL OF US WILL AGREE THAT WE WILL NOT ENJOY THOSE BOOKS.

EQUALLY, EXPECTING TO FIND ONLY BOOKS THAT WE AGREE WITH IS AN UNREASONABLE EXPECTATION.

A DEMONSTRATES A ONE SIDED VIEW OF THE WORLD.

THE LIBRARY SHOULD CONTAIN A VARIETY OF BOOKS THAT ENTERTAIN, EDUCATE, AMUSE, QUESTION, INFURIATE, OR TAKE US TO TIMES, PLACES WE'VE NEVER BEEN.

THE BOOKS IN QUESTION AND OTHERS MAY HAVE BEEN INAPPROPRIATE FOR THESE CHILDREN.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR ALL CHILDREN.

IT IS EASY TO FORGET THAT NOT ALL FAMILIES ARE GOING THROUGH THE SAME ISSUES AS OUR FAMILIES.

THERE COULD WELL BE FAMILIES WITH FAMILY MEMBERS EXPERIENCING GENDER ISSUES.

IMAGINE A MOTHER OR FATHER TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO A CHILD WHAT AN OLDER CHILD MAY BE FACING AS THEY GO THROUGH THE DIFFICULT PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING THEIR PLACE IN THE WORLD.

THESE PARENTS AND FRIENDS MAY FIND THESE BOOKS HELPFUL IN THE IN NAVIGATING WHAT COULD BE A CONFUSING SITUATION.

WE NEED TO ALLOW THE PROFESSIONAL LIBRARY STAFF TO USE THE TRAINING AND SKILLS THAT THEY WERE EDUCATED TO DO.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR POLITICS.

WE DON'T NEED TO REVISE POLICIES.

WE NEED TO ALLOW PROFESSIONAL LIBRARIANS TO USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING.

WE WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE MAY BE DIFFERENT, THAT ALL OF US HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE AND FIND THE BOOKS WE NEED IN THE LIBRARY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. FISK. MR. VAN DER. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MANAGER AND HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY CITY MANAGER.

MAYOR AND HAPPY BELATED FATHER'S DAY AND JUNETEENTH.

YOU KNOW, AND FOR ALL THE FATHERS, I COULDN'T BE WITH THEIR KIDS BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO BUSY WORKING OVERTIME BECAUSE THEY HAD TO.

YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AGGRESSIVE PANHANDLING.

THIS IS AN EPIDEMIC IN VICTORIA.

JUST A FEW HOURS BEFORE THIS MEETING, SOMEONE CAME IN, WON SOME MONEY FROM THE MANAGER AT AUTOZONE AND STUFF.

HE'S VERY AGGRESSIVE.

HE COMES TO BUSINESSES WANTING MONEY AND HE GOES UP AND DOWN FROM AUTOZONE ALL THE WAY TO WHATABURGER AND KFC.

ONE TIME HE APPROACHED ME SO AGGRESSIVE THAT I PUNCHED IT AND BACKED UP AND RAN TO A CURB AND TRYING TO GET OUT.

I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO KILL ME, BUT I THINK HE JUST WANTED SOME MONEY.

BUT HE HAD A REALLY SCARY APPEARANCE AND STUFF AND THIS BEEN GOING ON.

WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING AT THE CARWASH BY THE SALVATION ARMY AND THEY DON'T REALLY LIKE YOU WASHING THE CAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT WET WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO WASH IT WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO SLEEP.

AND I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY SHOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO SLEEP AT THE CAR WASH.

THE BUSINESS OWNER IS LOSING LOTS OF MONEY EACH DAY BECAUSE THEY TRASH OUT THE CAR WASH AND THE HEMP SHOP CALLED RED RUM BEHIND IT, THE HOMELESS PEOPLE AND THE PANHANDLERS, THEY'VE ALREADY TORE DOWN THAT FENCE AND IT'S IN VERY BAD SHAPE.

THEY TRASH IT.

THEY DON'T HAVE NO MONEY, BUT THEY GOT MONEY FOR BEER AND CIGARETS.

AND THEY ALSO GO RIGHT BY LITTLE CAESARS PIZZA AND THEY DRINK THEIR OLD ENGLISH BEER AND STUFF AND LEAVE ALL THEIR TRASH.

THEY ALSO TRASH OUT THE SALVATION ARMY.

I APPRECIATE CAPTAIN KINNEY CLEANING IT UP TODAY AND YESTERDAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY NEED LIKE A SECURITY GUARD OR 24 HOURS A DAY BY THE SALVATION ARMY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT IT'S JUST GETTING OUT OF HAND.

AND THE SOLUTION IS SIMPLE.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A JOB LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO WORK AS A BAG BOY OR A BAG GIRL OR SOMETHING.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO GIVE THEM MONEY AND STUFF.

AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE ARE COLLECTING LIKE A $1,200 A MONTH SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK.

AND THEY'RE BETTER OFF THAN THE PEOPLE THAT'S GIVING THEM MONEY.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING INTO THE PARKING LOT IN HEB AND AGGRESSIVELY WANTING MONEY, YOU KNOW, EVEN TO THE FRONT OF THE STORE.

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AND I KNOW IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THEY CHASE ME ALL THE WAY TO HEB AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THEIR MONEY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO CHARITIES AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY NEED TO JUST GET A JOB, YOU KNOW? THANKS AND HAVE A GOOD DAY.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

MR.. VONDRA ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT, WE'LL CLOSE CITIZENS COMMUNICATIONS.

WE HAVE NO ITEMS WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE'LL GO INTO OUR LARGE CONSENT AGENDA FOR D.

[D. Consent Agenda:]

I MOVE TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES ITEM D TWO.

ITEM D TWO IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONTRACT WITH THURKETTLE CORPORATION, DBA, AQUA METRIX SALES COMPANY FOR THE WATER METER REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT OF $649,041.13. OKAY, WHERE IS THESE 1700 PEOPLE'S HOUSES AT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE FROM THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH TO AN INCH IN THEIR LIVES.

WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE METERS OUT.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE SAME METER SIZE, SAME CHARGE.

WE'RE NOT CHANGING OUT THEIR METER SIZE.

WE'RE JUST REPLACING THE METERS.

AND IS IT WHY DOES THE RESOLUTION SAY FROM THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH TO AN INCH? BECAUSE SOME METERS ARE ONE INCH IN SIZE AND SOME ARE THREE QUARTERS.

MOST OF THE RESIDENTIAL METERS ARE THREE QUARTERS INCH IN SIZE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME HOUSES THAT HAVE A ONE INCH METER.

SO IF THEY HAVE A THREE QUARTER INCH, YOU'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT WITH A THREE QUARTER INCH? YES, MA'AM. AND THE ONE INCH WITH THE ONE INCH? YES, MA'AM. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THEIR BILL? NO, MA'AM, NOT AT ALL.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I MOVE WE ADOPT DEED TO.

SECOND. OKAY. MOTION IN A SECOND.

YEAH, I THOUGHT SO. OH, I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T HEAR YOU OVER THERE.

MOTION AND A SECOND ON APPROVING ITEM D TWO.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES. D THREE.

ITEM D THREE IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CHANGE ORDER.

NUMBER THREE FOR NET DECREASE OF $54.57 TO BRANDON PAVING COMPANY L.T.D.

FOR THE 2023 RESIDENTIAL STREET PROGRAM, WHICH IS A MAINTENANCE PROJECT.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GR FIVE SEALED WITH ONYX OR AN A GR FOUR SEALED WITH ONYX? THE GR FIVE IS A SMALLER IT'S A GRADE ROCK IS WHAT THEY CALL IT, A GRADE.

THE SMALLER THE NUMBER, THE SMALLER THE ROCK SIZE, THE AGGREGATE SIZE.

SO A GRADE FIVE IS A MUCH SMALLER AGGREGATE AND IT'S THE GREATER THE NUMBER, THE BIGGER THE BIGGER THE NUMBER, THE SMALLER THE ROCK.

RIGHT. AND THE GRADE FIVE WE USE.

IF THE STREETS ARE ALMOST IN PRISTINE CONDITION, THEY GOT TO BE I MEAN, THEY GOT TO BE GOOD HOT MIX, VERY LITTLE FAILURES OR ANYTHING.

WE CAN USE A GRADE FIVE.

SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

THE GRADE FOUR IS IF THE STREETS HAVE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC, A LOT MORE VOLUME, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OIL DOWN AND A LITTLE BIT MORE WEAR BETWEEN THE VEHICLE AND THE ASPHALT.

OKAY. AND THE ONES THAT YOU'RE USING IN CASTLE HILLS, WHAT IS THAT? THAT WAS A GRADE THREE AND A GRADE FOUR.

WE DID A TWO COURSE ON THAT.

SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE PUTTING BOTH THREE AND FOUR TOGETHER.

WE PUT A THREE AND A FOUR, AND THAT'S STANDARD.

IF YOU DO A DOUBLE, YOU WANT TO USE A LARGER ROCK ON THE BOTTOM AND THEN A SMALLER SIZED ROCK ON ON THE NEXT COURSE.

OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

OKAY. WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE, CAN IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON WHAT THE CHANGE ORDER INCLUDES? BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT WE MIGHT AS WELL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CONVEY THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT THIS CHANGE ORDER HAS OR WILL HAVE.

YEP. THIS ONE IS WHAT IT IS, IS CHANGE.

ORDER NUMBER THREE TO THE RESIDENTIAL STREET PROJECTS.

IT'S OCCURRING NOW.

CHANGE ORDER ONE, IF YOU REMEMBER, WAS WILLARD ROAD.

WE ADDED THAT AS A RECLAIMED SEAL AND THEN CHANGE ORDER TWO WAS A NET REDUCTION BY AND WE ADDED A CONCRETE VALLEY GUTTER AND A PART OF A STREET THAT DIDN'T DRAIN OVER IN QUEEN CITY.

SO WE PUT A VALLEY GUTTER TO GET THAT WATER ACROSS THE STREET.

THIS ONE IS A RESULT OF BASICALLY, AS WE CAME THROUGH AND FINISHED THE PROJECT WITH ITS SEAL, WE IDENTIFIED THE EXACT QUANTITIES THAT WERE USING.

SO WE WERE ABLE TO, WITH THE QUANTITIES LOWER CHANGE ORDER IN TWO PROJECTS THAT WERE SCHEDULED FOR 2024 INTO THIS YEAR AND STILL STAY WITHIN THE BUDGET OF THIS PROJECT.

ONE OF THEM IS COLONY CREEK, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S GRADE FIVE WITH ONYX, THE SMALLER ROCK.

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AND THOSE STREETS ARE ALSO IN THE 2024.

IT JUST FREES UP THAT MONEY SO WE CAN DO MORE PROJECTS IN 2024 FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND WE'LL GET INTO THAT DURING OUR CIP DISCUSSION.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION.

THANK YOU. RIGHT.

I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT D THREE.

SECOND. GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ADOPT E THREE.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED. SAME SIGN MOTION CARRIES.

[1. Approve an agreement with SpawGlass for Construction Manager at Risk s...]

ITEM E ONE IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AGREEMENT WITH SPALL GLASS FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK SERVICES FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTERS FACILITY.

I WAS LIKE, IS HE NOT HERE? HE'S HAD TO TUCK IT IN A LITTLE FARTHER THIS TIME.

EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

TONIGHT I DO HAVE WITH ME JASON SMITH AND SOME OTHER FOLKS FROM SPYGLASS.

AND I WILL KIND OF GIVE YOU A QUICK PRESENTATION.

I'LL INVITE THEM UP TO INCLUDE ANYTHING THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED OR DIDN'T SAY.

AND THEN HOPEFULLY BY THE TIME WE FINISH TONIGHT, WE'VE COMPLETED OUR FULL PROJECT TEAM FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTERS.

IN CONTEXT.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT THE FIRST THING WE DID BACK IN OCTOBER OF 22 WAS WAS BRING YOU FEMA AS OUR ARCHITECT TO DESIGN THE THE PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTERS. THEN IN FEBRUARY, WE BROUGHT YOU A GCM AS OUR OWNER'S REP.

AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT FOR ME, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO USE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK DELIVERY METHOD.

RIGHT. THE ECONOMY THROUGHOUT MY ENTIRE CAREER HAS BEEN STABLE.

IT HAS BEEN CONTINUALLY ON AN UPWARD TRAJECTORY.

RIGHT. SO WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT INFLATION AS MUCH AS WE DO RIGHT NOW.

WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AS MUCH AS WE DO RIGHT NOW.

THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK DELIVERY METHOD OFFERS A BUFFER AGAINST ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

THAT'S WHY WE'VE CHOSEN TO USE THAT IN THIS PROCUREMENT, RIGHT? WHEN WE DON'T KNOW, WE'RE PLANNING A PROJECT THAT WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE IN IN 2025.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT INFLATION IS MONTH TO MONTH.

THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK THROUGH THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE OFFERS SOME BUFFER AGAINST THAT, RIGHT? IN A NEW DELIVERY METHOD.

A GCM IS AN OWNER'S REP HAS BEEN PHENOMENALLY HELPFUL.

AND SO A LOT OF THE INFORMATION I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY KIND OF CAME FROM THEM TEACHING ME A LITTLE BIT.

TO THAT END, FIGMA AND IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD WITH SPYGLASS, THEY'VE ALSO BEEN VERY, VERY HELPFUL IN THIS.

SO OUR FULL PROJECT TEAM ON THIS IS GOING TO INCLUDE THE USERS OF THE BUILDING, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE MUNICIPAL COURT, IN CONJUNCTION WITH FIGMA FOR DESIGNING. AND THE ARCHITECT SIDE IS THE OWNER'S REP AND SPYGLASS PENDING YOUR CONTRACT APPROVAL AS OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

NOW, SPYGLASS BRINGS A FULL TEAM TO THIS.

YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT WE'VE BID THIS PROJECT TWICE.

THE FIRST IN THE FIRST PROJECT WE WERE IN, JACOBS SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL.

THEY ARE A TREMENDOUS LOCAL FIRM.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE'VE LEARNED IN THIS DELIVERY METHOD THAT'S CRUCIAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT IS GETTING THE RIGHT FIT ON THAT PROJECT TEAM.

SPYGLASS HAS SHOWN US THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT THAT THEY ARE BRINGING WHAT WE NEED AS THE RIGHT FIT.

THEY'RE BRINGING PEOPLE WITH A TON OF EXPERIENCE.

THEY'RE BRINGING PEOPLE THAT CAN DO AND HAVE DONE SIMILAR MUNICIPAL PUBLIC SAFETY RELATED PROJECTS.

AND WITH A BACKGROUND IN THIS, THEY'RE BRINGING A TEAM WITH DEPTH IN EVERY AREA.

THEY HAVE SAFETY COORDINATORS, THEY HAVE PROJECT MANAGERS, PROJECT COORDINATORS, ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGERS AND PROJECT COORDINATORS, AND THEY HAVE A PROJECT EXECUTIVE IN MICHAEL REILLY. AND THEN YOU'LL MEET JASON SMITH SORT OF ON THE TEAM THROUGH THE CONTRACT CONVERSATIONS.

THESE FOLKS HAVE SHOWN US HOW OPEN, HOW INNOVATIVE AND HOW CREATIVE THEY'RE WILLING TO BE WITH US TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF VICTORIA.

SO I WANT TO SAY THAT I WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN THAT SPYGLASS IS A WONDERFUL CONTRACTOR AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN LUCKY TO DO BUSINESS WITH THEM FOR THE SAKE OF THIS PROJECT.

THE RIGHT FIT, I THINK, IS SPYGLASS.

SO DID I SAY THAT WRONG? CAN WE GO BACK TO WEAVER? AND JACOBS IS A WONDERFUL CONTRACTOR.

YEAH. SO, UM.

SO THAT SAID, MOVING FORWARD, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PRICE PROPOSAL THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NEGOTIATE ON A PROJECT WITH A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECT. THERE'S THREE COMPONENTS TO THE PRICE.

THE FIRST IS A PRE-CONSTRUCTION.

AND IN A MOMENT, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS OF THE OF THE PROJECT ITSELF AND GETTING TO THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, I'LL EXPLAIN WHY THAT'S

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ONE IS THE GENERAL FEE.

THAT'S THE THE COST OF SORT OF OVERHEAD AND RESOURCES THAT SPYGLASS AS A COMPANY HAS TO COMMIT TO THE PROJECT.

AND THEN THE GENERAL CONDITIONS ARE THE SITE BASED PROJECT RELATED THINGS THAT ARE ON THE SITE ON THE GROUND, WHETHER THAT'S THE EMPLOYEES OF SPYGLASS OR ON THE GROUND OR THE SUBCONTRACTORS OR THE MATERIALS AND EFFORTS USED AT THAT SITE.

THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS SUBMITTED FROM SPYGLASS CAME IN WITH A $85,000 PRE-CONSTRUCTION FEE PLUS A COMBINED TOTAL OF A 12% OVERALL FEE PERCENTAGE BASED FEE FOR THE PROJECT.

THAT WAS BASED ON A $33.8 MILLION ESTIMATE THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH FROM THE BEGINNING.

WE KNOW AFTER GOING THROUGH MUCH, MUCH MORE DESIGN, SOME MORE RIGORS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT BUILDING, WE KNOW THAT THAT 33.8 MILLION WAS TOO LOW TO START WITH. AND SO THE CONVERSATIONS BACK AND FORTH WITH SPYGLASS CENTERED AROUND THE FACT THAT WE NEEDED TO CREATE FOR OURSELVES SOME SECURITY IN THE WAY THAT THIS WOULD GO.

RIGHT. AND SPYGLASS OPENED THEIR IDEAS.

THEY SAT AROUND THE TABLE.

THEY THOUGHT INTERNALLY THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH US, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THAT, THAT THEY SAID, WELL, APART FROM WHAT WE DO TRADITIONALLY, WE'LL DO WHAT WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. EVEN AGCM SAID, WELL, WE'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE.

IT'S CREATIVE AND WE LIKE IT.

THEY CREATED THIS TIER STRUCTURE, RIGHT? THAT SAYS, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE FALLS IN THIS RANGE AT ANYTHING UNDER WHAT WE BID IT AT, AT 33.8, THAT'S THE 12%.

SO THEY WERE GETTING WHAT THEY PROPOSED.

AND THEN FROM THERE, AS THE TIER GOES UP, THE FEE ITSELF AS A PERCENTAGE COMES DOWN, STILL MEETS THE NEEDS OF SPYGLASS AS A COMPANY, BUT ALSO GIVES US SOME AFFORDABILITY ON OUR SIDE AND HELPS WORK WORK WITH OUR CAPACITY FINANCIALLY.

SO WE'RE GRATEFUL TO SPYGLASS FOR FOR WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH US.

AND AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, I'VE ADDED TWO, TWO COLUMNS TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS TABLE THAT GIVE YOU WHERE THE MINIMUM PRICES ARE.

NOW WE'LL TELL YOU THAT THAT BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER IS KIND OF OPEN ENDED BECAUSE 40 MILLION AND UP COULD GO ALL THE WAY UP.

THAT'S ON US TO KNOW OUR CAPACITY WITH GILBERT AND WITH SUSAN WITH THE CFP AND SOME MORE CONVERSATIONS WE'LL HAVE TONIGHT WHERE WE KNOW WHAT OUR LIMITS ARE.

RIGHT. AND SO WE CAN TELL YOU GENERALLY WHERE WE THINK WE'LL BE FROM OUR OWN LIMITS RIGHT? BUT THIS IS SORT OF THE COST STRUCTURE THAT'S THAT'S SET UP HERE.

BEFORE I GO INTO THE PROCESS PIECE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT COST STRUCTURE? JUST A PICKY QUESTION.

THE BOTTOM BOX $40 MILLION.

SHOULDN'T THAT BE 40,000,000.01 TO MATCH THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE? YES, MA'AM, IT SHOULD BE.

THANK YOU FOR A PENNY.

YEAH. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

SO MAYBE THEY GIVE US A CHOICE EITHER WAY, RIGHT? THAT'S TRUE. NO, NO, YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT SHOULD BE 40,000,000 IN 1 CENT.

I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. RAYNER TO VERIFY THAT, BUT.

YEAH. OKAY.

WELL, LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS WHERE WE ARE.

AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE ALREADY AWARDED CONTRACTS TO FEMA FOR THE DESIGN.

WE HAVE AWARDED A CONTRACT TO AGC FOR THE OWNER'S REP SIDE AND THEN WE COMPLETED THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PROCESS.

THAT IS THE BEGINNING OF INITIALLY SORT OF SHAPING WHAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

FEMA DID A GREAT JOB WORKING WITH OUR STAFF AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO USE THAT BUILDING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, OKAY, ON THE SURFACE, WHAT DO YOU NEED RIGHT.

IF YOU'VE GOT A FITNESS CENTER AND A DISPATCH CENTER, WE LEARNED IT'S IMPORTANT YOU DON'T PUT THE FITNESS CENTER ON TOP OF THE DISPATCH CENTER SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T DROPPING WEIGHTS AND DISRUPTING THE DISPATCHERS.

RIGHT. IT'S THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT SORT OF SHAPED ITSELF IN THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN.

TOWARD THE END OF THE SCHEMATIC DESIGN PROCESS, WE WERE DOING OUR SOLICITATIONS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK.

I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR IN SOME PROCESS CHANGES THAT ARE DIFFERENT.

WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE DELIVERY METHODS DESIGN, BUILD, DESIGN, BID, BUILD COMPETITIVE SEALED BIDS.

IN ALL OF THOSE CASES, WE WANT TO AWARD A CONTRACT FOR DESIGN, FINISH DESIGN AND AWARD A CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION.

OKAY. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THE PERSON, THE GROUP SPYGLASS, WHO'S GOING TO BUILD THE BUILDING TO TELL US HOW MUCH THE BUILDING IS GOING TO COST BEFORE WE FINISH DESIGN.

RIGHT. THAT GIVES US THAT SECURITY.

THAT GIVES US THAT SAFETY NET, THAT GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE.

SO IT'S VERY ESSENTIAL THAT WE INCORPORATE THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER INTO THE DESIGN CONVERSATIONS, RIGHT? SO THEY KNOW IF IF THE ARCHITECT SAYS, HEY, BUILD THIS ONE GOOD EXAMPLE AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF SORTING THROUGH THIS OUT IS DO WE BRICK ON THE BACK?

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SO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IN THE PROCESS IS CALLED THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT STAGE, RIGHT? WE'VE JUST HIT A MILESTONE CALLED 75% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE FINISHED 75% OF THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAVE ON TARGET TO FINISH 100% DESIGN DEVELOPMENT AT THE END OF THIS MONTH.

THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE WE CAN PUSH THAT OUT AS WE START TO SEE WHAT ESTIMATES LOOK LIKE AND HOW WE NEED TO SORT OF RESHAPE OR RETOOL THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT IN THE DESIGN AND EXTEND THAT DESIGN PHASE JUST A LITTLE BIT.

BUT. THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE GOING TO DO THE CONTRACT TONIGHT.

IF YOU'VE READ IT. AND MISS SCOTT, THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS TO ME EARLIER.

IF YOU'VE READ IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S INCOMPLETE.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE THINGS LIKE BONDING TERMS. IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THE CONTRACT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE THAT COMES AT THE END OF DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

RIGHT? AND THAT COMES REALLY 50% OF THE WAY INTO THE CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT PHASE, RIGHT? WHEN WE'RE MAKING CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, WHEN SCHEMATICS, WHEN SPECIFICATIONS, DRAWINGS, WHEN ALL OF THAT'S COMPLETE, THEN WE ASK THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER TO TELL US, OKAY, HOW MUCH IS THIS BUILDING GOING TO COST? SET IT IN STONE.

THEN WE BRING THAT BACK TO YOU.

RIGHT? AND WE WILL DO A CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE TONIGHT.

SO WHAT THAT AMENDMENT WILL HAVE IN IT IS THE FULL CONTRACT DOCUMENT.

IT'LL HAVE THE PRICE. IT'LL BE THE COMPLETE VERSION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK DELIVERY METHOD, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SPYGLASS ENGAGED THROUGH A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW IN THE REST OF THE DESIGN PHASE.

RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THAT PRE-CONSTRUCTION AND SOME OF THE INITIAL GENERAL CONDITIONS COMES IN, RIGHT? SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE CONTRACT ENGAGED.

NOW, EVEN IF IT FEELS LIKE AN INCOMPLETE CONTRACT, IT WILL BE COMPLETE WHEN WE BRING IT BACK TO YOU LATER THIS FALL WITH THE AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF ARCHITECTS SORT OF GIVES THE TEMPLATE FOR THIS.

EXHIBIT A IS THE AMENDMENT FOR THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE THAT COMES BACK AS AN AMENDMENT.

SO ONCE WE GET THROUGH ALL OF THAT, THEN HOPEFULLY EARLY, EARLY 20, 24, WE WE GIVE SPYGLASS A NOTICE TO PROCEED AND THEY START MOVING DIRT, BUILDING, BUILDING THE BUILDING.

AND WE SEE CONSTRUCTION REALLY START TO HAPPEN.

SO PROCESS WISE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? IS THAT CLEAR AS MUD? I UNDERSTOOD IT. OKAY.

OKAY. IT'S TAKEN ME A LONG TIME TO UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IT'S.

IT'S. I'M GETTING THERE.

SO. SO WITH THAT SAID, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE A GROUP LIKE SPYGLASS THAT'S BEEN ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH US AND TALK THROUGH EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AND BEEN PATIENT WITH ME AS I LEARN ALL THE THINGS I JUST EXPLAINED TO YOU.

RIGHT. AND TO HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND TO WORK WITH US AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS ARE AND WHAT GOOD FISCAL CONSERVATIVE FISCAL STEWARDSHIP FOR OUR COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE AS WE BUILD AND MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES.

RIGHT. SO BEFORE I INVITE MR. SMITH AND HIS FOLKS FROM SPYGLASS UP, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALL RIGHT, MR. SMITH.

GOOD EVENING. JASON SMITH, THE PRESIDENT OF SPYGLASS SAN ANTONIO.

DON'T LET DEREK KID YOU. HE'S DOING GREAT ON THE LEARNING PROCESS.

HE AND TEAM ARE DOING JUST FINE.

SO IT'S A TREAT FOR US TO BE HERE IN THE CITY OF VICTORIA AND BE KIND OF HAVE THE HONOR OF SERVING YOU AS YOUR CMAA AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION MARKET IS SUPER SATURATED ALL ACROSS TEXAS, AND IN FORTUNATE TIMES WE GET TO PICK WHERE WE GO TO WORK EVERY DAY.

AND WHEN WE SAW THIS OPPORTUNITY, WE CHOSE TO BE IN THE CITY OF VICTORIA AND A PLACE WE WANT TO BE, NOT A PLACE WE HAVE TO BE.

SO IT'LL BE GREAT TO THANK.

TWO OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS ARE FROM THE CITY OF VICTORIA, ONE WITH SAINT JOSEPH'S HIGH SCHOOL, ONE VICTORIA WEST.

SO YOUNG PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, EAGER TO COME BACK AND HELP BUILD THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF COOL TOO. SO IT'D BE A TREAT FOR US TO BE HERE WITH YOU FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AND MAKE THIS PROJECT A SUCCESS.

RIGHT. THANK YOU.

ONE THING I DO WANT TO ADD REAL QUICK THAT I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM CREDIT FOR.

ONCE WE REACHED A POINT WHERE WE FELT LIKE CONTRACT TERMS WERE PRETTY SOLID FROM A NEGOTIATION STANDPOINT.

SPYGLASS IMMEDIATELY WENT TO WORK, SO FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH FEMA AND WITH GCM AND WORKING ON PRODUCING ESTIMATES AND HELPING US SORT OF REFINE THINGS.

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SO. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

IN THE PROCESS.

CAN WE GET UPDATES ONCE IN A WHILE SINCE YOU KIND OF HAVE LIKE AN OPEN ENDED CONTRACT JUST TO GET AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE STANDING, I KNOW THAT THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE WILL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE MATERIAL THAT MIGHT NOT COME IN TIME OR, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

SURE. RIGHT. I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO PROVIDING A VERY THOROUGH PUBLIC PRESENTATION UPDATE ON IT.

WE'VE BEEN VERY HESITANT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SHOW SOMETHING PUBLICLY IF THEN IF IT CAN'T BE BUILT.

RIGHT. RIGHT. AND SO NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO REFINING WHAT THE SCOPE LOOKS LIKE, GETTING IT WITHIN BUDGET, AND YOU'LL LEARN MORE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CIP AND CITY MANAGER'S REPORT.

SO I FULLY EXPECT THAT SOMETIME NEXT MONTH OR AUGUST YOU'LL GET A VERY, VERY THOROUGH IN THIS PUBLIC SETTING UPDATE ON THE DESIGN AND COST MORE SPECIFIC TIMELINE POSSIBLY.

I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHATTER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING DIFFERENT PHASES OF BID PACKAGES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO ALL THAT STUFF'S GETTING REFINED.

AND SO WE FULLY EXPECT THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, WE'LL BE BETTER PREPARED TO DO IT.

THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU.

YEAH. DEREK, I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON.

I NOTICED IN THE PROPOSAL THAT THERE WAS AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT THAT SAID THAT SPALL GLASS WILL REVIEW CERTAIN ITEMS AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT COULD BE HANDLED BY THEIR PERSONNEL OR WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD GO OUT TO SUBCONTRACTORS.

SO GIVEN THESE PERCENTAGES, IF SPAR GLASS PERFORMS CERTAIN ITEMS THAT THEY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE RATHER THAN SUBS, HOW DOES THAT FIT IN WITH THE PERCENTAGE COMPENSATION ON THIS CHART? WELL, IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE IN TERMS OF THEIR COST HAS TO BE COMPETITIVE IN THE PROCESS FOR BIDDING THOSE.

THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND BID THE SUBS AND WE HAVE TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

AND SO THEY WON'T NECESSARILY GET TO BID THE BID THE PROJECTS BEFORE THEY OPEN THE THE OTHER BIDS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OKAY. SO THEIR BIDS HAVE TO BE COMPETITIVE AS WELL.

THE OTHER THING THAT'S ADDED INTO THIS CONTRACT THAT AGAIN WAS ANOTHER SPAR GLASS IDEA IS A COST SHARING, SAVINGS SHARING DEAL.

IF THEY GIVE US A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE, BUT WE DON'T HIT THAT AMOUNT, IF WE CAN BUILD IT FOR LESS BUT STILL GET A QUALITY PRODUCT, THEN WE SHARE SOME OF THAT SAVINGS WITH THEM.

SO THERE'S AN INCENTIVE TO DO BETTER TO SAVE MORE.

OKAY. SO SO THAT AN IMPACT THESE NUMBERS.

THAT'S A NO, IT'S SEPARATE.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT AND THEY THEMSELVES DON'T SOLELY DECIDE THAT.

I MEAN, WE'RE INVOLVED WITH THAT AS THE OWNER.

AGC IS INVOLVED IN THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, VERY EDUCATIONAL PROCESS.

SOMETIMES THERE ARE JUST SOME THERE'S JUST SOME WORK THAT YOU JUST CAN'T GET COMPETITIVE PROPOSALS FROM ON CERTAIN BIDS.

LIKE I THINK WHEN WE MET, YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE THE EXAMPLE OF DOORS AND GARAGE DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND HOW IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND COMPETITIVE, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE FOLKS TO COME IN AND DO A GREAT JOB WITH DOORS AND GARAGES.

RIGHT. SOMETHING THAT YOU PROBABLY JUST TAKE FOR GRANTED.

BUT THEY'VE DEVELOPED THAT SKILL SET, YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY TO BE ABLE TO COMPETITIVELY BID FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

GOTCHA. AND SO IT'S IN THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY WOULD COMPETE WITH THE OTHERS.

AND THEN AGAIN, US AS THE OWNER AND AGC WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THE DECIDING CONVERSATION.

ONCE THE PROCESS STARTS, WE WILL BE ENGAGED IN CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN AGC, SPYGLASS AND FEMA AT LEAST WEEKLY.

RIGHT. AND KIND OF PAYING ATTENTION TO KEEPING UP WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

SO. NOT SURE HOW EXCITED WE ARE ABOUT THAT YET, BUT, YOU KNOW.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR E ONE.

SO MOVED. SECOND, GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM E ONE.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

[2. Approve a Professional Services Agreement with RJN Group, Inc. for the...]

ITEM E2 IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH RG N GROUP, INC.

FOR THE LEAD SERVICE LINE INVENTORY IN THE AMOUNT OF $560,000.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS GREG RODRIGUEZ. I'M ONE OF THE OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE MANAGERS FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

SO THE LEAD SERVICE LINE INVENTORY PROGRAM, OR ALSO KNOWN AS THE LEAD AND COPPER RULE REVISION IS I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOU A BASIC OVERVIEW OF WHAT GOT US TO WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

AND HERE IN A MOMENT, I WAS GOING TO GO AND INTRODUCE RJ AND I WAS GOING TO BE JOSE MALDONADO BEHIND ME.

SO THE LED SERVICE LINE INVENTORY PROGRAM ARE ALSO KNOWN AS LEAD AND COPPER RULE REVISION WAS MANDATED BY THE EPA.

SO WHAT THIS DID IS THE LEAD AND COPPER RULE WAS ALREADY EXISTING.

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SO ALL THE WATER LINES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND STATE IF THEY'RE PVC GALVANIZED COPPER LEAD AND WHATNOT.

SO THAT WAS ISSUED ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2021, AND WE HAVE UNTIL OCTOBER 16TH, 2024 TO COME UP WITH THE INVENTORY AND SUBMIT THAT TO THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.

HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT IS, OF COURSE, WE ADVERTISE FOR RFQ FOR THE LEAD AND COPPER INVENTORY FROM FEBRUARY 19TH TO FEBRUARY 26TH.

WE RECEIVED SIX STATEMENTS OF QUALIFICATIONS FROM THE PEOPLE ABOVE 120 WATER GARVER ENGINEERING LSPS, RJ AND TLC ENGINEERING.

THE CITY COMMITTEE REVIEWED THE STATEMENT OF QUALIFICATIONS AFTER SELECTING OUR IN HOUSE CITY COMMITTEE.

WE SELECTED RJ GROUP TO SUBMIT THE PROPOSAL.

WE BEGAN NEGOTIATIONS AND THE FINAL DRAFT WAS PROPOSED ON MAY 2023.

SO HERE'S RJ IN TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE REST OF THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, GREG, AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

COUNCIL. IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK UP HERE TO PRESENT LEAD AND COPPER RULE INFORMATION.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A GENERAL OVERVIEW.

I'M SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE QUESTIONS.

SO. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF TIME.

BUT GREG HIT UPON THIS EARLIER.

AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A THIS IS NOT A TEXAS THING.

THIS IS A NATIONWIDE THING THAT THAT WAS PUT OUT AND STARTED BACK IN TOWARDS THE END OF 2021.

A LOT OF TIME HAS PASSED.

AND YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES AT THIS STAGE RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS GETTING INTO THE INVENTORY.

THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW IS GETTING ON IT AS THE DEADLINE IS FAST APPROACHING NEXT YEAR ON OCTOBER 24TH.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH AFFECTS EVERY COMMUNITY THAT PROVIDES PUBLIC WATER, THE NON TRANSIENT, THE TRANSIENT COMMUNITY, THOSE ARE FAIRLY SMALL.

SO IN GENERAL, ALMOST EVERYBODY IN ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED HERE.

SO THE REASON OBVIOUSLY IS GOING TO BE TO, YOU KNOW, LEAD HAS BEEN WAS A HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.

IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE ALMOST A DECADE AGO.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY THE GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IDENTIFYING WHERE THERE IS LEAD SERVICE LINES AND ELIMINATE THEM IN SHORT.

SO PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH SOME PROCESSES TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS AND ALSO GOING THROUGH TO GET OUR INVENTORY WHAT WE HAVE AND WHERE IS IT, AND WHICH IN THE END IS GOING TO BE COMING UP WITH A REPLACEMENT PROGRAM TO REPLACE ALL THOSE THOSE THEY ALL NEED TO BE GONE.

THAT THAT IS THE GOAL.

SO WHAT IS THAT COST GOING TO BE? DON'T KNOW. RIGHT? IT IS RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF DOING THE INVENTORY AT THIS POINT.

AND THEN BY THE OCTOBER AT LEAST, WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT COST IS GOING TO BE BASED ON THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE BY DOING THE INVENTORY.

AND I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF THIS STEMMED POST FLINT, CORRECT.

AND SO A LOT OF THIS CAME FROM THE ISSUES IN FLINT, MICHIGAN.

AND SO TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE TIMELINE OF WHY THESE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED FROM THE EPA STANDPOINT, IT ALL STEMMED FROM THE WATER QUALITY ISSUES IN FLINT, MICHIGAN, AND AND THEIR OVERSATURATION OF LEAD.

RIGHT, RIGHT. AND OBVIOUSLY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IT TAKES A WHILE FOR IT TO COME DOWN.

BUT AGAIN, IT IS A A NATIONWIDE ISSUE.

BUT TCU IS WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH EPA.

SO ALL THE DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES HAVE SIMILAR POLICIES.

BUT IN GENERAL, THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE EPA GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN SET FORTH.

SO THEY PUT OUT DIFFERENT FORMS, DIFFERENT PROCESSES, THAT MINIMUM PROCESS THAT NEED TO BE MET, INCLUDING SOME SPREADSHEETS.

THEY PUT OUT A YOU KNOW, WHAT INFORMATION IS TO BE INCLUDED, ALL THE ADDRESSES, INFORMATION, HOW IN GENERAL HOW WE DID THE ASSESSMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FULLY RIGID ON WHAT THE APPROACH IS GOING TO BE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME MINIMUM GUIDELINES THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ACCEPTED BY THE TCU.

SO AS FAR AS OUR CONTRACT, AT LEAST WHAT IS ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY, WE HAVE A PHASE TWO PHASE APPROACH.

THE FIRST PHASE IS GOING TO BE DOING A DESKTOP REVIEW, WHICH THIS IS SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS.

THERE'S A LOT OF DATA. I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONE THING WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW IS THERE'S PLENTY OF DATA TO BE REVIEWED.

SO I LISTED SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, LIKE CONSTRUCTION RECORDS, DATA PLUMBING CODES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS.

THE MAIN THING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, AS WE NOTED.

WE NEED TO REPLACE ALL LEAD SERVICE LINES.

WHERE ARE THOSE? FORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT LIKE.

LIKE FLINT, MICHIGAN.

YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WHEN WHEN WAS THIS CITY DEVELOPED?

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THEY HAVE A LOT MORE DECADES THAN WE DO.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE 1988 WAS A MAGIC DATE WHEN SOME OF THE PLUMBING CODES WOULD CHANGE WHERE LEAD SOLDER WAS NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE LIKE.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO SET THIS DATE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE DONE, LET'S SAY AFTER 1990.

WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO DO A FIELD INSPECTION THOSE BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY, HEY, LET'S THIS IS NOT WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.

WE MAY DO A SPOT CHECK HERE AND THERE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EVERYTHING.

BUT FROM THERE ON, IT'S GOING TO BE LOOKING AT MORE INFORMATION THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE THAT.

I MEAN, JUST LIKE ALMOST EVERYWHERE IN TEXAS, RIGHT? 50 60S, IT'S A GREAT GROWTH FOR EVERYWHERE.

AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MIX AND THAT'S WHERE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT STATIC.

NOT ALL THE LINES ARE THE ORIGINAL ONES.

NOT ALL THE LINES HAVE BEEN REPLACED.

HOUSES HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN SOME CASES.

SO IT'S LOOKING THROUGH THAT INFORMATION.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE A WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY STAFF BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE THE HOLDERS OF OF THE DATA AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THEM TO GO THROUGH THAT INFORMATION AND REALLY FILTER DOWN TO WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS IN, WHICH IS GOING TO BE OUR PHASE TWO PORTION.

AS WE WERE TALKING AND PUTTING TOGETHER OUR PROPOSAL AND WORKING WITH THE CITY.

AND ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON IS COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO MAXIMIZE THE CITY'S DOLLARS.

YOU KNOW, AND PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE USING COMMUNITY OUTREACH, WHICH IS GOING TO BE, WHETHER BY MAIL, SOCIAL MEDIA BY PHONE, TRYING TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION SO WE CAN MINIMIZE WHAT THAT PHASE TWO IS GOING TO BE.

SO THIS IS A SAMPLE THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT.

IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE.

THIS IS NOT IN TEXAS, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS WE'RE AROUND THE NATION SO VERY SIMILAR.

I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW IS KIND OF SHARING IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN DO THIS THE MOST EFFICIENT.

PHASE TWO. THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL FIELD INSPECTION.

SO ONCE WE GO OUT THERE, THE AGAIN, THIS IS THE SERVICE LINE, RIGHT? THAT IS THE FOCUS.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SERVICE MAIN.

SO IN GENERAL, WE'RE LOOKING TO GO TO THE AREAS THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED, GO TO THE WATER METER LOCATIONS AND IDENTIFY WHETHER WHAT THE MATERIAL IS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE METER.

AGAIN, IF WE'RE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S PRIVATE OR PUBLIC, IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

SO EVEN IF A HOUSE WAS REPLACED, THEY REPLACED ALL THEIR PLUMBING.

BUT THE THE SERVICE, THE LEAD FROM THE WATER MAIN TO THE METER IS STILL HAS LEAD.

THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR VICE VERSA.

RIGHT? EVEN IF THE CITY REPLACED THEIR PORTION AND THE PRIVATE HAS NOT BEEN SAID, IT ALL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FOCUS.

SO THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY MORE INTENSIVE BECAUSE IT IS WALKING TO EVERY SITE, DOCUMENTING AS PER THE T-C-E-Q GUIDELINES, WHAT PICK UP ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED SO WE CAN BUILD A DATABASE THAT CAN BE PRESENTED AT THE TIME WE'RE DONE.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE DETAILS HERE, BUT THIS IS THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE COLLECTED AND AND FILLED OUT AND ALSO HOW WE DID OUR REVIEW FOR THOSE AREAS.

IN THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE IN HERE.

THE FIRST PHASE IS FOR $6,000 IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE PHASE TWO.

WE'VE ESTIMATED HALF $1 MILLION FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO PROVIDE A MORE FIRM PROPOSAL ONCE WE HAVE RESULTS OF THE PHASE ONE, BECAUSE AT THIS TIME WE COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY SERVICES WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT.

AND IT'S I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO BE DRIVEN A LOT BY HOW MANY WE'RE GOING TO BE ATTEMPTING AND MAYBE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE MAY NEED TO DO BASED ON OUR FINDINGS OF OUR PHASE ONE.

SO WE SET A BUDGET IN THERE JUST SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH AS WE MOVE ON.

AND BUT IT'S GOING TO BE REFINED AS WE FINISH UP THE PHASE ONE PORTION.

SO KIND OF BRIEF, BUT OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

YES, SIR. SO THIS IS A STUDY TO DETERMINE WHERE THE LEAD PIPES ARE.

AND IT'S REQUIRED BY THE EPA PASSED DOWN THROUGH T-C-E-Q.

CORRECT. SO ONCE THOSE PIPES ARE IDENTIFIED AND.

WHO'S SAYING THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.

AND WHO'S PROVIDING THE FUNDING TO REPLACE IT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE METER.

SO IT'S COMING FROM THE EPA AS FAR AS SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.

AND AS FAR AS THE FUNDING, THEY HAVE SET OUT SOME FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR TO GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, SOME SORRY, GET SOME OF THOSE MONIES.

ONE OF THE THEY HAD A ONE ROUND THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED JUST THIS PAST MONTH AT THE END OF MAY.

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LIKE I SAID, IT'S EVERYBODY'S KIND OF IN THE SAME SPOT RIGHT NOW.

THEY HAVEN'T QUITE FULLY COME UP WITH THOSE ESTIMATES ARE OBVIOUSLY FOR THOSE THAT FUNDING, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME THRESHOLDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEED TO BE MET IN ORDER TO GET THAT.

BUT YES, THAT IS I THINK IN THE IN THE THOUGHTS OF EVERYBODY'S MIND IS HOW IS EVERYBODY GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? BUT THE FIRST PART IS GOING TO BE WHAT IS WHAT IS THAT DOLLAR NUMBER? ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE UP TO US TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GO ABOUT CHANGING THIS INFRASTRUCTURE OUT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC DEADLINE FOR IT THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY IS THERE A DEADLINE ONCE YOU IDENTIFY IT? I'M NOT 100% SURE.

NOT THAT I KNOW OF AT LEAST.

BUT I DO KNOW THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITHOUT HAVING TO NECESSARILY GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE IN DEPTH, WE CAN PROBABLY ALL SAFELY ASSUME THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS WILL BE IN SOME OF OUR OLDER AREAS.

RIGHT. WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT, FOR EXAMPLE, BE CDBG ELIGIBLE.

AND SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD WE COULD THEORETICALLY USE CDBG FUNDS TO REPLACE SOME OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF THESE LINES HAPPEN TO BE IN THOSE QUALIFIED CENSUS TRACKS, WE COULD POTENTIALLY PURSUE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT WE'LL QUALIFY FOR THOSE BECAUSE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT CAN JUST BE VERY CHALLENGING BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY FOCUS ON MORE RURAL, LOW SOCIOECONOMIC TYPE OF AREAS FOR THAT.

BUT THERE IS A BIG ELEMENT OF THIS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY QUALIFY AS AN UNFUNDED MANDATE.

I'M SURE THAT WORD'S PROBABLY GOING THROUGH SOME OF YOUR HEADS RIGHT NOW.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, EVERY SO OFTEN.

AND SO I THINK I THINK I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SORT OF QUALIFYING THIS AS ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, UNFUNDED MANDATES THAT HAS COME THAT HAS FUNNELED DOWN TO US.

BUT BUT ON THAT UNFUNDED PART, I MEAN, WE'RE USED TO SEEING THAT AS A LOWER TIERED GOVERNMENT.

RIGHT. AND GETTING PUSHED DOWN ON THE GOVERNMENT SIDE.

BUT WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS FROM THE METER TO THE HOUSE.

RIGHT. THE PRIVATE IS IDENTIFIED AS, OH, YOU MR. HOMEOWNER, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPLACE THAT PIPE.

I'M LIKE, ARE YOU IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW? SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE I THINK OUR FOCUS IS MORE ON THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

I MEAN, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING IT'S BOTH, BUT I MEAN, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, IT'S ACTUALLY BOTH.

AND I BELIEVE THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FOR BOTH, REALLY.

OKAY. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT THAT WAY.

INVENTORY PORTION OF IT.

BUT I MEAN, TO REPLACE THOUGH, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND JUST INVENTORY PIECE, BUT IT'S NOT MY PLAN.

IF WE END THE INVENTORY AND WE SAY THAT FROM THE METER TO SOMEONE'S HOME, IT'S LED.

IT'S NOT MY INTENTION AND I DOUBT IT'S ANYBODY'S INTENTION UP HERE THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO COME DOWN ON ANY RESIDENTS AND SAY, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AND WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT RIGHT.

AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT DON'T REPLACE IT, GREAT.

IF NOT, YEAH.

I MEAN, UP UNTIL THIS POINT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH US TO TO TELL ME OR INSINUATE THAT WE WOULD BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CHANGING THOSE LINES ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER'S SIDE.

I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO INVENTORY IT, BUT OF COURSE, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INVENTORYING IT, KNOWING IT'S THERE AND THEN ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING CAN BE SAID AROUND THE SMOKE TESTS, RIGHT? AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT ARE COMING FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, TO DETERMINE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING SOME INFILTRATION INTO OUR SEWER SYSTEM.

RIGHT. WHERE THE SMOKE TEST, YOU KNOW, ARE VERY CLEARLY SHOWING THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY OWNER'S SIDE OF THE OF THE LINE, SO TO SPEAK.

AND IT'S THE SAME QUESTION.

RIGHT? WHO IS FINANCIALLY LIABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES, WHICH UP UNTIL THIS POINT, OUR POSITION IS IT'S THEIRS.

THAT ONE'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT IN MY MIND BECAUSE YOU'RE SENDING STUFF BACK TO THE CITY.

WE DELIVERED WATER.

TO A METER HOMEOWNER TAKES IT FROM THERE.

I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T WANT A POLICY FROM THIS CITY FORCING ANY RESIDENT TO GO CHANGE OUT THEIR WATER PIPE SHOULD IT BE IDENTIFIED AS LEAD? THEY CAN LIVE WITH IT OR THEY CAN LIVE WITHOUT IT.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MANDATED BY THE CITY OF VICTORIA.

YEAH, I HEAR YOU CHANGED.

AND IT CALLS IN THAT BURDEN TO BE UNFUNDED TO THE.

TO OUR CITIZENS.

GOT IT. UNDERSTOOD.

AND ONE OF THE I WANT TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER CITIES AND FROM THE CLASSES I'VE BEEN TO.

THIS IS THIS IS NEW TO EVERYBODY AND EVERYBODY'S STRUGGLING.

THE BIG PUSH THAT THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO PUSH FOR EPA IS MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE IS A SERVICE LINE THAT HAS LEAD OR COPPER, THAT THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT RENTER KNOWS WHAT THEY HAVE.

THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE NEXT.

BUT IMMEDIATELY, WHAT THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSING ON RIGHT UP FRONT IS, OF COURSE, DOING THE INVENTORY.

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THAT'S THEIR BIG GROUPING RIGHT UP FRONT.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON, IS MAKE SURE THOSE ARE SAFE.

BUT IT'S GOING TO BE NOTIFICATIONS TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S A BIG THING. WE TALKED TO CITY OF ARLINGTON.

THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION, PUBLIC INFORMATION, NOTIFICATIONS TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER.

WHAT WE DID FIND.

SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT'S THERE'S NO MANDATE RIGHT NOW TO DO THAT.

BUT IT'S GET THAT PUBLIC NOTIFICATION OUT TO THE OWNERS.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE SEEN AND JUST SOME INFORMATION THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS NECESSARILY SET IN STONE, BUT FOR THOSE PUBLIC ONES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED, I THINK I SAW THAT THERE WAS A MINIMUM OF THAT.

YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BE REPLACED AT LEAST 7% OF THOSE PER YEAR ON THE PUBLIC SIDE.

ON THE PUBLIC SIDE.

RIGHT. SO THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DELIVERING QUALITY WATER.

RIGHT? RIGHT. WHICH OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING REGARDING JUST LIKE KEN MENTIONED, REGARDING THE PRIVATE SIDE, HOW THAT IS GOING TO BE HANDLED.

NOW AS FAR AS FUNDING WITH THAT, THERE'S DIFFERENT SOURCES FOR THAT.

THAT DEFINITELY COULD BE AN AVENUE, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT MOTIONS.

I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT E TWO.

MY SECOND. ALL RIGHT.

MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM E TWO.

GLAD WE GOT A LOT OF CHOICE IN THIS MATTER.

CORRECT? THAT'S FOR SURE.

ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS? WELL, KEN, SO I MEAN, AS WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND IDENTIFY THESE PIPES, BUT WE DO WATER TESTING, CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND THE BIG THING WITH FLINT WAS REFRESH MY MEMORY FOR THE WHAT MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THEY WERE TREATING THEIR WATER AND THEY DID NOT ADD THE RIGHT SEQUESTER INTO THEIR WATER TO LIMIT THE ACIDITY.

WAS IT THE ACIDITY, GREG? AND THEY DIDN'T PUT THAT ADDITIVE IN THE CHEMICAL IN WELL, WHEN THEY DIDN'T, IT LEACHED OUT THE LEAD FROM THE SOLDER AND FROM LEAD LINES AND THE LEAD LEVELS WENT WAY UP AT THE HOMEOWNERS.

SURE. I'LL BE HONEST.

WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN VICTORIA THANKS TO PREVIOUS COUNCILS, YOUR COUNCIL.

WE HAVE CHANGED OUT A TON OF WATER LINE, ESPECIALLY IN THE OLDER PARTS.

DOWNTOWN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE AND FROM WHAT ALL THE INSPECTORS HAVE SAID, WE DID NOT RUN ACROSS ONE LEAD SERVICE LINE. THAT WAS FROM OUR MAIN TO THE METERS.

SO THAT'S A GOOD SIGN THAT WE DIDN'T FIND ANY IN THE OLDEST PARTS OF TOWN.

OKAY. AND SO SINCE IT APPEARS THAT OUR WATER IS SAFE AND WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS A MISTAKE IN FLINT, CORRECT. THAT CAUSED THIS CATASTROPHE AND WE'RE ALL PAYING THE PRICE.

I MEAN, WE'RE 560,000 RIGHT HERE.

MULTIPLY THAT BY EVERY CITY AND COUNTY AND EVERYTHING ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, IT SOUNDS LIKE.

CORRECT? YES. IT'S EVERYBODY.

IT'S I HAVE A HARD TIME LOOKING AT THIS FOR SOMEBODY'S MISTAKE.

AND WE ALL HAVE TO PAY. IT'S LIKE WHY I HAVE TO TAKE MY SHOES OFF NOW AT THE AIRPORT? VERY FROM OUR STANDPOINT, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE PAYING THAT MISTAKE AND.

NOT ONLY IS VICTORIA PAYING FOR IT, BUT ACTUALLY EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO END UP PAYING FOR THIS THING.

AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

I MEAN, THAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS.

WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

OUR WATER IS SAFE.

YOUR LINES ARE SAFE, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE.

AND WE DO THE ADDITIVE.

YEAH. AND WE DO EVERY YEAR PUT OUT THE ANNUAL DRINKING WATER QUALITY REPORT, THE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE REPORT, WHICH I THINK IS JUST GOING OUT RIGHT NOW.

YES, SIR. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE COPIES OF OF THAT.

AND SO THAT IS OUR WAY TO KIND OF ENSURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE EVERY YEAR, AT LEAST WITH THE PUBLIC, ON THE QUALITY OF OUR WATER.

AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU.

I KNOW THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO DO THIS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S JUST CHAPS ME TO DO THIS WHEN WE ALREADY DO IT AND WE PROVIDE A QUALITY PRODUCT TO OUR CITIZENS AND WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO DO THAT.

AGREED. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, BECAUSE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC OR THE NEWSPAPER OR ANYBODY TO GET THE WRONG IMPRESSION THAT SOMEHOW THERE'S ISSUES WITH OUR WATER BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY.

RIGHT. THIS IS SIMPLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO CHECK THAT BOX, SO TO SPEAK.

AND WE DON'T NECESSARILY ANTICIPATE ANY MAJOR ISSUES.

AND I'LL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, TSA PRECHECK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF.

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YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH.

YOU GET FINGERPRINTED THERE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU, MR. GILL. ITEM E TWO.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM E3.

[3. Award the Country Club Sanitary Sewer Line Project to Lester Contracti...]

IN THE AMOUNT OF $1,677,305.

I'M GOING TO DO A QUICK PRESENTATION ON THIS PROJECT.

COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH IS SECOND IN BON AIR, BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT ONE ON YOUR AGENDA.

THIS IS THE MAP OF COUNTRY CLUB, THE SEWER LINE REPLACEMENT.

GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THESE LINES ARE VERY OLD.

THEY ARE GIVEN US THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, A LOT OF FITS.

THERE'S A LOT OF STOPPAGES, A LOT OF COLLAPSES AND SEWERS RUNNING SLOW.

WE WANT TO REPLACE THE LINES ON COUNTRY CLUB BASICALLY FROM NAVARRO ALL THE WAY TO SPRING CREEK.

WE'VE DONE SOME OTHER PHASES IN THERE WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD THE LINES COLLAPSE.

BUT THIS IS LET'S LET'S GET PROACTIVE A LITTLE BIT AND GET SOME OF THESE LINES FIXED.

DETAILS. IT'S AGAIN FROM SPRING CREEK TO MAGRUDER AND THEN FROM MAGRUDER TO NAVARRO.

965FT OF SIX INCH CONCRETE SANITARY SEWER REPLACED WITH EIGHT INCH PVC AND THEN 3100FT OF TEN INCH AND 12 INCH CONCRETE REPLACED WITH TEN AND 12 INCH PVC.

ABOUT 39 MANHOLES WILL BE REPLACING.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE SERVICES THAT GO TO THE HOUSES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE.

NEW PVC. PROPOSAL DETAILS.

LEICESTER CONTRACTING WAS THE ONE PROPOSAL REVIEWED.

SELECTION COMMITTEE SELECTED LEICESTER AS BEST VALUE TO THE CITY.

WE NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT.

THE THE INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS FOR 1.797 MILLION.

WE NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT TO 1.677.

BIG PART OF THAT WAS WE.

CHANGED THE BACKFILL MATERIAL.

RIGHT NOW WE USE CEMENT SAND FOR ALL OF OUR BACKFILL.

IT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PRODUCT.

AND TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IT'S RUNNING AROUND $20 A YARD FOR CEMENT SAND.

WE HAVE ONE SUPPLIER IN VICTORIA AND THAT'S IT.

AND YOU CANNOT GET IT FROM OUTSOURCE IT BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU'LL GET IT, IT'LL ALREADY BE HARD AND WORTHLESS.

SO WE'RE SWITCHING IT TO A BANK SAND, WHICH IS A REGULAR SAND.

IT CAN BE COMPACTED.

IT'S NOT USING THAT SAME MATERIAL COMING OUT OF THE TRENCH.

A LOT OF IN THE PAST WE'VE USED THAT AND YOU CAN DO EVERY WAY YOU THINK YOU CAN COMPACT IT, AND TWO YEARS LATER IT'LL DROP SIX INCHES. SAND HAS ONCE YOU COMPACT IT, IT STAYS TIGHT.

IT'S LIKE BEACH SAND.

THIS PROJECT WE HAVE FOR 365 DAYS ON THE PROJECT.

WHAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE IS WE'LL EXECUTE THE CONTRACT IN JULY.

WE'LL HAVE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.

AUGUST 13TH, AUGUST 15TH.

APPROXIMATE. THE BIGGEST THING ONCE WE GET THAT EXECUTION OF THE CONTRACT, THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO SECURE THE MATERIALS.

AT THIS CURRENT TIME, WE'VE GOT A 26 WEEK DELAY.

ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE THE ONLY MANUFACTURER OF FIBERGLASS MANHOLES, 26 WEEKS.

NOW THEY'RE GETTING BETTER AT IT, BUT THEY'RE OUT 26 WEEKS.

SO WHEN WE SAY 365 DAYS FOR THE CONTRACT, WE'RE NOT TALKING 365 DAYS OF CONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE TALKING 365 DAYS FROM WHEN WE ISSUE THE CONTRACT AND NOTICE TO PROCEED.

THEY'VE GOT TO GET MATERIALS.

THEY'VE GOT TO ALLOCATE THEIR THEIR GET THEIR DEDICATED CREW, SECURE THE EQUIPMENT.

WE'RE PREDICTING OCTOBER.

WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEY'LL BEGIN CONSTRUCTION OCTOBER.

AND ON THIS PROJECT TALKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR.

HE'S FIGURING ABOUT 180 DAYS WITH REALLY GOOD CONDITIONS.

SO WE'RE THINKING MAY SO IT'S A LOT LESS WHEN WE SAY TIME 365 DAYS, IT'S TIME TO SECURE THE MATERIALS, GET HIS CREW. AND ONE OF OUR BIG COMMENTS THAT WE HAD DURING PRE BIDS TO ALL THE CONTRACTORS IS ONCE YOU START, DO NOT LEAVE.

DON'T JUST TEAR UP A ROAD AND THEN PACK UP AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WE'D RATHER HAVE YOU SCHEDULE YOUR CREWS IF YOU HAVE TO WAIT TWO WEEKS TO FINISH ANOTHER PROJECT OR FINISH ANOTHER JOB, YOU'VE GOT WAIT THOSE TWO WEEKS, COME IN, HIT OUR JOBS RUNNING AND STAY WITH IT.

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KEEP YOUR CREWS OUT THERE.

KEEP THEM WORKING.

WE'RE EXPECTING COMPLETION ON THIS ONE OF 2024.

AND STREET REPAIRED WITH PERMANENT PATCH MATERIAL.

WE DO HAVE A PROJECT AND I'LL GO OVER IT IN THE CIP FOR A MILL AND OVERLAY ON A SECTION OF COUNTRY CLUB BETWEEN NAVARRO AND MAGRUDER.

THE NEXT PROJECT I'LL GO OVER REAL QUICK IS THE BON AIR, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WE HAD BID PREVIOUSLY, CAME IN OVER.

WE REVISED THE PLANS AGAIN, REDUCED SOME OF THE WATERLINE THAT WE DID NOT NEED TO CRISSCROSS.

THESE ARE THE STREETS WE'RE WORKING THAT WE'LL BE WORKING ON.

LOMA VISTA, WARREN STREET, PARK STREET, VIRGINIA, RETAMA AZALEA, HALSEY, EISENHOWER, MACARTHUR AND VILLAGE.

IT'S ABOUT 16,000 LINEAR FEET OF CAST IRON WATERLINE WITH NEW EIGHT INCH PVC.

A LOT OF CURED IN PLACE SANITARY SEWER MAINS LINING AND REMOVING AND REPLACING ABOUT 4640 700FT OF OPEN CUT SANITARY SEWER LINES.

AGAIN, NEW SERVICES.

ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT BEFORE OR AFTER THEY DO THE INVENTORY OF THE AREA? WE'LL DO THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO DO AS PART OF THESE CONTRACTS WHEN THE CONTRACTOR GOES IN THERE AND HE TIES IN THAT NEW WATER METER. TELL US WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.

WE'LL HAVE AN INSPECTOR THERE THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO WRITE IT DOWN AND GET THAT VERBIAGE.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ON TANGLEWOOD COLLEGE PARK, ALL THE NEW PROJECTS WE'RE DOING.

ANYTHING GET THAT, THEY'LL BE OUT THERE.

THEY GOT TO TIE THOSE METERS IN, PULL THE METER, LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO, YES, MA'AM, WE'RE APPROACHING THAT ONE TO GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW.

IT ALSO SAID SOMETHING ABOUT REPLACING PVC.

SO THAT'LL BE A GOOD THING FOR OUR INVENTORY.

YES, WE'RE REPLACING ALL THAT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE USING PEX. WE USED TO USE PVC, BUT WE'RE USING PACS, WHICH IS A LOT MORE FORGIVING MATERIAL.

IT'S GOT A LOT MORE EXPANSION, CONTRACTION STUFF.

A LOT OF MOST OF THE PLUMBERS ARE USING THAT NOW ON THIS PROJECT WE HAD TWO PROPOSALS AND OUR CONTRACTING SERVICES AND BY GRACE FLOORS CONSTRUCTION LLC, THE COMMITTEE MET AGAIN.

WE REVIEWED THE.

THEIR THEIR SUBMITTALS AND J AND R WAS SELECTED AS BEST VALUE.

WE NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT FROM 4.6 MILLION TO 3.2, ROUGHLY 4.4.

AGAIN, WE NEGOTIATED OUT THE CEMENT SAND.

WE'RE USING REGULAR SAND BANK SAND.

CONTRACT TIME IS 420 DAYS.

TALKED WITH THIS CONTRACTOR.

SAME. BASIC TIMELINE AND HE'S GOING TO ALLOCATE START.

HE'S THINKING OCTOBER.

THIS ONE WOULD FINISH IN OCTOBER, NOT 420 DAYS, BUT PROBABLY A YEAR.

HOPEFULLY HE'LL GET IT DONE QUICKER.

HE'S LOOKING AT PUTTING TWO CREWS OUT HERE ON THIS PROJECT AND THEN THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS WILL FOLLOW IN 2024.

WHEN TO GO WITH THE BUDGET SUMMARY NEGOTIATED CONTRACT AMOUNTS.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON ON BOND, THERE WAS 4.392 MILLION.

OUR BUDGET AMOUNT WAS 4.112 AND I ADDED AN EXTRA THREE TO CONFUSE EVERYBODY.

BUT IT'S 4.112236.

WE'RE OVER BUDGET ABOUT 280,000.

COUNTRY CLUB NEGOTIATED AT 1.67 MILLION.

BUDGET AMOUNT WAS 1.289.

WE'RE OVER BUDGET 387.

SO A TOTAL OVER THE BUDGET FOR OUR UTILITY FUND WAS 667,000.

HOW DO WE GET THERE? THAT'S MY NEXT SLIDE.

SO OUR GOAL WAS TO MAKE IT WHOLE, CONTINUE WITH OUR PROJECTS, CONTINUE WITH THE QUALITY THAT WE'RE DOING.

WE GOT WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT CURRENTLY HAS A PROJECT WITH TANGLEWOOD.

WE REDUCED AGAIN, CHANGE THE SAND MATERIAL FROM CEMENT, SAND TO THE BANK SAND.

AND ON THIS ONE THERE IS A WE PUT A BID IN TO DO THE SANITARY SERVICE SERVICES BY IN SITU.

IN OTHER WORDS, GO IN THERE WITH INSITUFORM.

THOSE WERE SIX OVER 6 TO $7000 A PIECE.

BY DOING AN OPEN CUT TRADITIONAL METHOD BACK TO 3000.

SO WE CHANGED THAT METHODOLOGY.

WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT CONTRACT BY 535,694.

SAME THING ON COLLEGE PARK CHANGE.

WE'RE CHANGING FROM CEMENT, SAND TO SAND BACKFILL.

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THIS WAS PROBABLY 20 YEARS AGO.

WE WERE STILL USING OUR NATURAL BACKFILL.

WE DIG THE MATERIAL OUT OF THE HOLE.

WE REQUIRED THE CONTRACTOR TO BREAK THAT CLAY UP, KEEP IT MOIST, PUT IT IN SMALL CLODS.

IF YOU WEREN'T OUT THERE BEATING THEM UP, THEY WOULD JUST DUMP IT ON THE GROUND AND THROW IT BACK IN THE HOLE, HIT IT A FEW TIMES WITH A BACKHOE AND IT WOULD SETTLE.

WE WERE LITERALLY UP TO HERE WITH THAT ISSUE GOING ON.

SO WE'RE THE CITIZENS.

WE LOOKED AT FULL DEPTH LIMESTONE.

THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE YOU GOT TO PUT IT IN.

YOU GOT TO LET IT CURE. YOU GOT IT JUST TAKES TIME.

WE TALKED TO THE SUPPLIERS.

HEY, IS THERE ANYTHING OUT THERE? WELL, GULF COAST CAME IN AND SAID WE CAN PUT A PUGMILL IN VICTORIA, TEXAS.

WE CAN MAKE YOU CEMENT SAND QUICK.

WE CAN MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.

WE CAN PUT IT ON THE PROJECTS AND.

WE CHANGED NOW.

DURING THAT INTERIM PROCESS.

WE DID USE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WITH BANKS AND AND WE HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH IT.

AND JOSE, YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER THE BIG SEWER LINE THAT WENT DOWN.

BEN JORDAN FROM LONE TREE UP.

THAT WHOLE THING WAS BACKFILLED WITH BANK SAND AND THAT ROAD NEVER SETTLED.

IT WAS FINE. SO AS LONG AS WE ARE THERE, WE MAKE SURE THEY GET THE MOISTURE IN THAT SAND, THEY CAN DO A COMPACTION EFFORT.

VERY LITTLE SETTLEMENT.

IT'S THAT NATURAL MATERIAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.

VERY GOOD. YOU ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO CALL YOU ABOUT ALL THOSE DEFICITS, AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU'D BETTER FIND IT BECAUSE YOUR NEXT PROJECT HAS ALL OF THAT MONEY.

YES. AND WE STILL WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE CEMENT SAND.

IT'S JUST THESE PROJECTS LEND ITSELF TO WHERE WE'RE COMING BACK IN LATER AND DOING THE STREETS.

BUT WE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT CONTRACTOR DOESN'T DO IT RIGHT.

WE GOT A YEAR WARRANTY.

SO IF THAT THING SETTLES, DON'T, DON'T LOOK AT ME.

YOU LOOK AT YOUR COMPACTION AND WE'RE GOING TO BE OUT THERE MAKING SURE.

BUT IT'S IT'S UP TO THEM.

AND WE'VE WE'VE CALLED THEM A FEW YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

BUT THAT NATURAL MATERIAL IS IS HARD ON VICTORIA IT'S JUST YOU CAN'T COMPACT IT THE BLACK GUMBO.

YEAH. YEP. CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I MOVE, WE ADOPT THE THREE.

SECOND. IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON E THREE? FOUR. AT SAME TIME. WE'LL HIT IT AFTER THIS ONE.

OKAY, LET'S READ IT.

OKAY. THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

I'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

ITEM FOR ITEM E4 IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE BON AIR STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, WHICH IS UTILITIES TO OUR CONTRACTING SERVICES, INC.

[4. Award the Bon Aire Street Reconstruction Project (Utilities) to J&...]

SO MOVED. SECOND.

A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. HEARING NONE.

MOTION CARRIES AN E FIVE.

I'M GOING TO HAVE DR.

[5. Award the DeLeon Plaza Expansion Project to Lauger Companies, Inc. in ...]

I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM IT.

OKAY. SO A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE DE LEON PLAZA EXPANSION PROJECT TO LAGER COMPANIES, INC.

IN THE AMOUNT OF $4,572,502.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

TONIGHT, WHAT I HAVE FOR YOU IS A PRESENTATION ON THE DELI, DELI AND PLAZA EXPANSION.

UM. THE SCOPE IS MODIFICATION OF THE CURB LINES AND PAVING FOR PEDESTRIAN SPACES, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, A PERFORMANCE PAVILION, RESTROOM AND STORAGE FACILITY. TRAFFIC SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS AND GENERAL SITE AMENITY ENHANCEMENTS.

THAT'S VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE SCOPE.

SO WHAT I HAVE TONIGHT, THOUGH, ARE SOME MORE SITE PLAN PICTURES, AND I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY.

AND I DO HAVE BRIAN JOHNSON WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS TO TO HELP WITH QUESTIONS LATER DOWN THE ROAD.

BUT THIS IS AN OVERVIEW, AN AERIAL LOOK AT WHAT THE PLAZA WILL LOOK LIKE ONCE COMPLETED.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PERFORMANCE PAVILION, WE HAVE A NICE SPACE FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE NEXT TO THE PUBLIC RESTROOM ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN, TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN.

THE OTHER CIRCULAR STRUCTURE IS A NICE SPOT FOR THE FOUNDERS MONUMENTS AND SEATING AREA.

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NOW, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PERGOLA OR SHADE STRUCTURE ATTACHED TO THE RESTROOM BECAUSE THAT IS A BID ALTERNATE AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE WATER FEATURE.

SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE WATER FEATURE.

KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACK HISTORY ON WHERE WE LANDED, ON NOT HAVING IT IN THE IN THE SCOPE.

THE ORIGINAL WATER FEATURE INCLUDED SPRAY NOZZLES IN THE GROUND LIGHTS AND A RECIRCULATING WATER SANITATION SYSTEM THAT WAS HOUSED INSIDE THE PUBLIC RESTROOM IN AN UNDERWATER HOLDING TANK OR UNDERGROUND HOLDING TANK.

THE ORIGINAL PRELIMINARY COST FOR THAT WATER FEATURE WAS $800,000.

THE MARSHALL SHANKLIN FOUNDATION HAS GIVEN THE CITY 300,000 FOR A WATER FEATURE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE ORIGINAL COST WAS MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO USE FROM THE MARSHALL FOUNDATION.

SO BUT WE ARE STILL CURRENTLY SEEKING OTHER OPTIONS FOR WATER FEATURE, SOMETHING OF THE LIKE OF A WATER FOUNTAIN INSTEAD OF A SIMILAR TO A SPLASH PAD, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PLAY IN. SO THAT WAS ALL DUE TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS AND THAT'S WHY WE ELIMINATED THE WATER FEATURE.

HERE IS A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT THE RESTROOM BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE.

AND AGAIN, REMEMBER THAT THE PERGOLA STRUCTURE WILL NOT BE IN THE SCOPE UNLESS IF WE ARE ABLE TO FUND IT LATER, WE ARE GOING TO BUILD IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE BASE TO WHERE WE CAN ADD IT ON AT A LATER DATE IN TIME.

BUT IF YOU REMEMBER, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE JUNIOR LEAGUE BUILDING AND HOW WE WANTED IT TO LOOK SIMILAR TO THE JUNIOR LEAGUE BUILDING AND TIE IT INTO MORE OF THAT HISTORICAL STRUCTURE AND ARCHITECTURE.

SO YOU HAVE THE ARCH THERE, THE BRICK TO MATCH WITH ALSO THE RECESSED WINDOWS THAT LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE THE JUNIOR LEAGUE BUILDING.

HERE IS A DIFFERENT LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE PAVILION.

THIS IS A FRONT VIEW AT THE TOP SIDE.

FRONT VIEW AT THE BOTTOM.

THIS IS THE REAR VIEW.

AND THEN AGAIN AT THE BOTTOM, THAT'S ANOTHER FRONT VIEW.

THIS DOES HAVE AN ADA ACCESSIBLE RAMP AND ALSO A LOADING DOCK ON THE OTHER SIDE SO THAT YOU CAN BACK UP A LARGE U-HAUL TRAILER WITH SOUND EQUIPMENT OR INSTRUMENTS TO ACCESS THE STAGE. ANOTHER LOOK.

ALL RIGHT. SO TIMELINE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD IS SET AT 210 DAYS WITH 210 CALENDAR DAYS.

THE PLAZA EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED BY EARLY MARCH OF 2024, IN TIME FOR THE BICENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.

WITH APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT, WE LOOK TO GIVE A NOTICE TO PROCEED IN THE SECOND WEEK OF JULY.

AND THEN WE WILL ALSO FOLLOW THAT WITH NEWS RELEASES NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC OF STREET CLOSURES AND THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION START DATE.

HERE'S A BREAKDOWN IN THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.

ORIGINAL FUNDING WAS 4.5 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDED THE 300 MARSHALL SHANKLAND FOUNDATION FOR THE WATER FEATURE.

NOW IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT.

THUS, WITH THOSE FUNDS NO LONGER AVAILABLE FOR THE PROJECT, LEAVING A DEFICIT OF $302,502, WE ARE RECOMMENDING FUNDING THE SHORTFALL AS FOLLOWS.

ARPA. FUNDS BEING USED AT $140,000 REVENUE BOND INTEREST AND 90,000 AND BICENTENNIAL CELEBRATION, WHICH IS ALSO HOTEL MOTEL TAX FUNDS AT $72,502.

HEY, DANIELLE. YES.

QUESTION SO YOU SAID TAKING THE 300,000 OUT LEFT US A DEFICIT OF 302 502.

YES, BUT DIDN'T WE REMOVE 800,000 FROM IT BECAUSE WE REMOVED THE WATER FEATURE? SO THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT THAT WE GOT IN THE BID ALREADY DID NOT INCLUDE THE WATER FEATURE.

THE BUDGET WAS 4.5.

OKAY. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE WERE INCLUDING 300.

IF IT WAS TIDE WATER, IT'S NEVER THERE.

IT WAS NEVER THERE.

YEAH. OKAY.

PARKING. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PARKING WITH THE LOSS OF 42 SPACES ON THE SQUARE AND CLOSING DOWN FOURTH STREET BETWEEN MAIN AND BRIDGE, AND WE HAVE ACTIVELY BEEN WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER A BLOCK AWAY NOTED IN THE ARROW THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THAT COULD ADD ONCE WE FINALIZE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THAT PARKING AGREEMENT TO BE PUBLIC PRIVATE, IT COULD BRING US BACK TO ROUGHLY 50 TO 60 PARKING SPACES.

AND WE PLAN TO ALSO INITIATE JOINT USE PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH THREE OTHER PRIVATELY OWNED PARKING LOTS THAT ARE NEARBY.

SO UPON EVALUATION IS DETERMINED THAT LARGER COMPANIES WILL PROVIDE THE BEST PRODUCT AND VALUE TO THE CITY.

AND IN THEIR PROPOSAL, THEY WE DID RECEIVE ONE BID FROM LARGER AND IT WAS 4.57 TO $4.5 MILLION ROUGHLY, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS TO

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I KNOW THAT WAS REALLY FAST, AND I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS.

HIT ME WITH THEM.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, MISS WILLIAMS, THIS ONE OUT ALREADY? AND AS WE MOVE ALONG, I'LL COME BACK AND GIVE UPDATES ALONG THE.

I HAD A I FORGOT THAT THE MAYOR WASN'T.

HE STEPPED OUT OF THIS ONE.

YEAH. I HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS FROM CITIZENS THAT WERE INTERESTED IN THE WATER FEATURES AND THE PERGOLA, BUT YOU HAD ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE.

SO I WAS REMINDED OF THE COST OF THAT, WHICH WAS QUITE PROHIBITIVE.

AA8 HUNDRED THOUSAND IS STILL KIND OF SHOCKED ME AS FAR AS STICKER VALUE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND JUST TO REITERATE THE POINT, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED TO BID THE PROJECT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE UP AGAINST A DEADLINE.

YES, WE ARE, BECAUSE OF OUR BICENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.

AND SO WE KNEW THAT WE JUST WERE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE TIME TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MINIMIZING OR DECREASING THE SCOPE OF THE WATER AND ALL THIS STUFF, BECAUSE IT JUST WAS GOING TO FURTHER DELAY DEVELOPING THE PLANS TO BID IT OUT AND SO, AS DANIEL MENTIONED, AND I'LL REITERATE THE POINT, THERE'S ONGOING CONVERSATIONS THAT MORE THAN LIKELY WILL LEAD TO A CHANGE ORDER HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, HOPEFULLY TO ADD A WATER FEATURE, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THAT'S THAT'S DIFFERENT.

THAT'S WITHIN BUDGET.

BUT STILL EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTIVE OF AND AT THAT TIME WE CAN CONSIDER OTHER ELEMENTS MAYBE THE PERGOLA I KNOW THERE'S ALSO BEEN SOME SUGGESTIONS ABOUT REFINISHING THE EXISTING BANDSTAND AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I TALKED TO DANIELLE ABOUT IT, SHE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH HER YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE JUST PAINTED PAINTED IT OVER PAINT.

OVER PAINT, OVER PAINT.

AND MAYBE IT'S DUE FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE ROBUST AND MORE THOROUGH THAN JUST PUTTING ANOTHER COAT OF PAINT ON IT.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS.

BUT FOR NOW, WE NEED TO GET THIS PROJECT GOING.

FANTASTIC. I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING AVAILABLE FOR APRIL 13TH.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

THE DIAGRAM THAT YOU SHOWED THAT SAYS IT'S NOT INCLUDING THE THE GAZEBO.

YES, IT HAS THREE.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE GOING TO BE REDONE.

ONLY THOSE FOUR.

THE SIDEWALKS? YES. THE ANSWER IS YES.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

YES. AND THEN THE EXISTING ONES, THE EXISTING THREE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLAZA, WE PLAN ON, I THINK, POWER WASHING THEM AND DOING SOME KIND OF WORK TO THEM TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK WEIRD, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, OLDER, DARKER SIDEWALKS.

I THINK THERE WAS EVEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT ON THE NEW SIDEWALKS, INCLUDING SOME KIND OF, I THINK FINISH OR ON THEM OR COLOR OR SOMETHING TO ALSO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NOT THIS HUGE CONTRAST RIGHT BETWEEN THE SIDEWALKS OF THE COUNTRY.

I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED IT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WONDERING IF WE COULD GET THE OTHER THREE SIDES.

BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LATER ON AND WE DID LOOK INTO IT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE BIG ISSUE WITH THE CORNER WHERE THE STATUE IS AND INABILITY TO MAKE THAT ADA ACCESSIBLE WHILE STILL MAINTAINING WHERE THAT STATUE IS PLACED.

UM, BUT THAT'S THE GOAL FOR NOW.

MY CORRECT. BRIAN YOU ARE.

YEAH. WE HAVE TO PUT BRIAN ON THE SPOT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE HIM COME TO THE MIC.

HE HAS TO COME OUT ON TV.

HE MADE THE DRIVE MY PAY OFF.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO I'M BRIAN JOHNSON.

I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER WITH FRIEDSON NICHOLS.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY ON, YOU KNOW, ON A WHOLE LEVEL.

WE HAVE CERTAINLY ENJOYED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECT FOR DOWNTOWN VICTORIA.

SO ON BEHALF OF FRIEDSON NICHOLS AND OUR ENTIRE TEAM, WE JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO TO GO OVER THOSE WITH YOU.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND I JUST I'M STILL I'M STILL NOT OVER THE STICKER SHOCK ON THE PRICE OF IT BECAUSE I'M STILL NOT COMPLETELY OVER CLOSING FOURTH STREET.

BUT I HAVE ACCEPTED THAT THAT IS OCCURRING AND I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S GOING TO BE WONDERFUL.

BUT I'M STILL IN STICKER SHOCK.

BUT MY QUESTION IS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER FEATURE, AND THE WATER FEATURE WAS ALSO ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE THE LOCATION OF THE CHRISTMAS

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BUT THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TIME I'VE PAID ATTENTION TO THE LOCATION OF THE RESTROOM AND THE WATER FEATURE OR I'M SORRY, THE RESTROOM AND THE CHRISTMAS TREE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF DRIVING UP BRIDGE STREET, THAT BASICALLY THE VIEW OF THE TREE IS GOING TO BE BLOCKED WHEN YOU GET TO THE CLOSEST LOCATION OF THE TREE.

JUST ALL THE PICTURES THAT WE SEE ARE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE.

OF THE WHOLE PLAZA.

WE DON'T SEE THE SIDE THAT HAS THE RESTROOM ANYWAY.

SO I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE AVAILABILITY OF LOCATING THE TREE AT DIFFERENT TIMES AT DIFFERENT PLACES OVER THE YEARS.

SPECIFICALLY, IS THERE ELECTRICITY IN OTHER PLACES THAT GIVE US SOME OPTIONS? AND THAT WAS ALONG THAT WAS A STATEMENT AS MUCH AS A QUESTION.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR YOUR LAST QUESTION FIRST, THE LOCATION OF THE ELECTRICAL IS SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

EACH OF THE LOW WALLS THAT YOU CAN SEE ON EITHER THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PLAZA OR THE LEFT HAND SIDE NEAR THE RESTROOM WILL ALL HAVE WEATHERPROOF OUTLETS IN IT. YOU DO HAVE OUTLETS WHERE ALL OF THE STREET TREES ARE LOCATED FOR IF YOU WANT TO INSTALL CHRISTMAS TREE WRAP LIGHTING.

AND THAT WILL ALSO BE THE POINT OF CONNECTION FOR THE FOOD TRUCK HOOKUP.

SO THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A SMALL PANEL TUCKED AWAY INSIDE EACH ONE OF THOSE TREE WELLS WHERE THERE'LL BE AVAILABLE ELECTRICITY.

IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE, I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY THAT'S THAT'S MAYBE A CITY PROGRAMING ITEM IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT FROM PLACE TO PLACE. WHAT WE ARE DOING ON THE LOCATION WHERE IT'S IT'S I GUESS MAYBE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED TO GO IS WE ARE PUTTING IN BELOW GRADE ANCHORS SO THAT THE TREE CAN BE RATCHET STRAPPED TO THE THE PAVING SURFACE WITHOUT HAVING TO USE THOSE BIG CONCRETE.

IT'LL MAKE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT'S LIFE A LOT EASIER IN ORDER TO SET IT UP.

AND IT'LL BE A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, CLEANER WAY TO TO SECURE THAT TREE.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE SIGHTLINES, YOU KNOW, THIS THIS IS THE TREE TYPICALLY GOES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

BUT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO START, I THINK, ALL SAYING OUR GOODBYES TO FOREST STREET AS A AS A LINEAR ASPECT OF THIS NORTH HALF OF THE BLOCK, BECAUSE THE PLAZA IS GROWING AND WE'RE HAVING A LOT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY SPACES. AND THE THE ROAD IS JUST IT'S R.I.P., I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO LOVE IT WHEN WE HAVE IT.

I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC.

WELL, AND WE WERE TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF THE DIFFERENT USES OF THE PLAZA, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE WANTED TO HAVE A PERFORMANCE PAVILION THAT COULD BE USED YEAR ROUND.

OBVIOUSLY PUTTING THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE WOULD BLOCK THAT FROM HAPPENING.

AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO JUST MARRY ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THIS MONEY ON A PERFORMANCE PAVILION THAT IS NOT USABLE DURING THE WINTER BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG TREE RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OR RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. RIGHT. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF JUST THE FUTURE VISION OF THE OF THE USES YEAR ROUND OF THIS SPACE.

I SEE YOUR POINT.

I DO THINK IT WILL BE VISIBLE AS YOU DRIVE UP.

PEOPLE WILL JUST HAVE TO STOP.

SO. WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.

PEOPLE WILL JUST HAVE TO STOP.

ABSOLUTELY. BUT I DO THINK IT WILL BE VISIBLE.

IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO TO TO SEE THAT FROM THIS AERIAL.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE ONE WAY TRAFFIC, I THINK THE TREE WOULD BE VISIBLE.

UM, DRIVING UP BRIDGE STREET, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING TO, TO SEE IT ACTUALLY COMING UP MAIN STREET.

UM, BUT THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET OFF AND YOU WALK AROUND AND HOPEFULLY GET TO ENJOY IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE CONSIDERING A SPLASH WATER FEATURE, WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL WITH THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO BE INTENTIONAL WITH HOW YOU CAN POTENTIALLY PROVIDE SOME SHADE.

I MEAN, THE ARCHITECTS WERE BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL AND MINDFUL OF LOCATION, OF BUILDING AND SHADE AND PERGOLA AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HANG OUT.

AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WENT INTO INTO IT.

AND EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT A WATER FEATURE THERE NOW, WE STILL ANTICIPATE THAT BEING THE CENTRAL AREA WHERE PEOPLE SIT DOWN AND MAYBE ENJOY LUNCH OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD VIEW OF OF THE STAGE.

WE'VE ALWAYS ENVISIONED THIS THIS AREA AS ALSO BEING ORDERED OFF AND MAYBE BE SOMEWHAT OF A VIP AREA.

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I KNOW TYPICALLY IT'S THE OTHER SIDE, BUT WE WERE THINKING THIS AREA COULD ALSO SERVE AS THAT WHEN THE TREE ISN'T THERE.

SO THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE THOUGHT ABOUT LEADING UP TO THAT.

THIS GOD, IF THE STICKER PRICE SHOCKS YOU, IT'S JUST THE COST OF NINE UNFUNDED MANDATE STUDIES THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

YEAH. OKAY.

OR A SIDEWALK DOWN MAIN STREET THAT WE DIDN'T DO.

SO, DR. YOUNG, I WILL SAY THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER FEATURE, I DID HAVE RECEIVED FEEDBACK BOTH IN FAVOR AND AGAINST INCLUSION OF THAT, BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE PRICE ESTIMATE THAT WE RECEIVED, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME MAYBE OTHER ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS JUST A LITTLE MORE THAN WE BARGAINED FOR. ABSOLUTELY.

AND TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, OBVIOUSLY, IN THIS PROJECT.

AND SO I APPRECIATE FREEZER NICHOLS AND APPRECIATE LAGER AND LOOK FORWARD TO A TRANSFORMATIVE ASPECT TO DOWNTOWN.

I DO HAVE TO ADD ON THE WATER FEATURE, ANY TIME THAT WE WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, I APPRECIATED THE FACT THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT RECIRCULATING AND NOT FLOW THROUGH BECAUSE WE ARE IN SOUTH TEXAS WHERE WATER IS A PRECIOUS COMMODITY.

YEAH. AND THAT THAT ESSENTIALLY DOUBLED THE PRICE OF OUR PROJECT BY GOING THAT ROUTE.

YOU KNOW, THE, THE RETURN ON THE WATER SAVINGS AND THE PERCEPTION THAT YOU'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS WITH THE WATER AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, WE JUST WE COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK OUT THAT IT WAS WORTH THAT PRICE TAG.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME, YOU WANT ME TO RELEASE E5? WE HAVE ENOUGH. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION.

WE HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU. I'VE ALREADY SAID I'VE GOT STICKER SHOCK.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT TO SAY.

SECOND, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD ENOUGH TO SAY I MISS ELISE.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF E FIVE SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THANK YOU.

MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, DR.

YOUNG. ALL RIGHT, PASS THE BATON BACK OVER TO YOU.

[6. Appoint a nominee to be considered by the Victoria Central Appraisal D...]

I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS ONE. ON MAY 24TH, I RECEIVED A LETTER.

IT WAS SIGNED BY THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

SHE INFORMED US THAT THERE'S A VACANCY SIGNED MRS SCOTT, BUT THERE'S A VACANCY ON THE BOARD AND BECAUSE THAT VACANCY WAS CREATED BY GENTLEMAN RESIGNING FROM THE BOARD AND NOT FROM A RECALL PETITION OR A RECALL RESOLUTION, WE ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THAT POSITION, ARE REQUIRED TO NOMINATE SOMEONE TO FILL THAT POSITION. THOSE NOMINATIONS ARE WHOEVER WE SELECT WILL GO TO THE CAD BOARD AND THOSE REMAINING FOUR MEMBERS ON THE BOARD WILL VOTE ON THE REPLACEMENT BASED ON THE NOMINATIONS FROM THE TAXING ENTITIES.

SO WE HAVE A RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF US E SIX WITH A BLANK IN IT THAT WE NEED TO FILL OUT A NAME.

AND I WAS GOING TO THROW ONE OUT THERE.

MR.. RICK JONES, NEWLY ELECTED SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER.

I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM, HE'D BE WILLING TO ACCEPT OUR NOMINATION SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO FILL HIM OR FILL HIS NAME OUT ON THIS RESOLUTION.

SO I NOMINATE MR. RICK JONES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? NO. I GUESS SO.

I'M NOT SURE I SHOULD SAY MUCH.

I'M ON THE I'M ON THE BOARD.

THIS IS AN ODD TYPE OF AN APPOINTMENT.

FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE A NAME AT ALL.

WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS TO ALL OF THE TAXING ENTITIES BECAUSE THE LETTER THAT I SENT, I SENT THE SAME LETTER TO EACH OF THE TAXING ENTITIES.

AND SO EACH OF THEM WILL GIVE SOME PROPOSED NAMES.

I JUST HAD THOUGHT IN TERMS OF SOMEBODY REPRESENTING AN ENTITY.

YOU KNOW, PERHAPS HAVING MORE EXPERIENCE IN BEING ON THAT PARTICULAR BOARD.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THIS PARTICULAR POSITION IS ONLY FILLED THROUGH DECEMBER.

AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH OF CASTING VOTES.

SO I DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATE NAME.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO COME UP WITH ONE, ESPECIALLY IN CASE THEY DON'T GET ELECTED.

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I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY MISS SCOTT SERVES ON THAT BOARD AND I THINK IT'S FROM MY STANDPOINT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE ENTITIES PUT PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD WHO ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS RATHER THAN THAN THIRD PARTIES.

AND SO I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT ABOUT THE NOMINEE.

I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO MR. JONES. I WON'T DO MR. LOFGREN, SINCE HE'S NOT HERE.

BESIDES, THEY'RE PART OF THE TAXING ENTITY.

SO THEY ARE. THIS WILL BE THE SOLE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER.

THAT WOULD BE IF HE WAS SO CHOSEN BY THE BOARD, WHO MAY NOT EVEN DECIDE TO APPOINT ANYBODY.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO SO DO WE NEED TO DO BALANCE? DO YOU NEED A MOTION OR PROBABLY NEED A MOTION FOR ESSEX TO APPOINT MR. RICK JONES? SO WE WILL NEED BALLOTS? NO, WE WON'T NEED BALLOTS IF WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT.

I'M JUST IT IS A WEIRD PROCEDURE.

AND SO WE ARE NOT APPOINTING WE ARE NOMINATING IN THE FALL IN DECEMBER, WE WILL APPOINT.

BUT TODAY WE'RE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL APPOINT, WILL NOMINATE, AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON.

THAT'S JUST THAT CLARIFICATION IN DECEMBER.

WHEN WE DO IT, WE WILL NOMINATE AND THEN WE WILL CAST OUR VOTES IN HOPES THAT THE PERSON THAT WE NOMINATED HAS ENOUGH VOTES TO STAY ON THAT BOARD.

HERE. WE'RE JUST NOMINATING.

YES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO NOMINATE RICK JONES, THE SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEE FOR THE VACANT POSITION AT THE VICTORIA CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS. SECOND.

THANK YOU. MOTION IN A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND ALSO THANK YOU TO MR. JONES FOR AGREEING TO BE NOMINATED.

WHEN I CALLED AND I WAS GOING TO ASK, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

BUT LAW FIRM IS A CLOSE SECOND, NOT NOT HERE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPOINTING MR. RICK JONES SAY AYE.

AYE. THOSE OPPOSED.

SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES.

ALL RIGHT. DONE. WITH OUR ACTION ITEMS, WE HAVE CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

LET'S GET MR. GILL A FRESH BOTTLE OF WATER.

IT'S HIS BIRTHDAY TOMORROW, BY THE WAY.

YES. JUNE'S A GOOD MONTH.

YEAH. 19, 20, 21.

THOSE ARE GOOD DAYS, RIGHT? SO HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ALL.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

ALL RIGHT. HERE.

YOU MUST WEAR THIS. NO.

YEAH. OH, WE'VE.

[1. FY2024 Capital Improvement Program (CIP) Update. Ken Gill, Director of...]

THIS IS KIND OF A WRAPPING IT UP, PROPOSING THE 24 CIP.

WHAT WHAT, WHAT OUR PLANS ARE FOR NEXT YEAR OR WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

KIND OF WANT TO GO OVER FOR THE PUBLIC.

WHAT IS THE CAPITAL PROJECT? IT'S PROJECTS THAT ARE OVER $100,000.

USEFUL LIFE, TEN YEARS.

YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A BOND ISSUE TO PAINT YOUR HOUSE.

YOU WANT TO DO A BOND ISSUE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST A LONG TIME.

THAT'S THAT'S A CAPITAL PROJECT.

IT'S MAINTAINING, IMPROVING, BUILDING NEW PUBLIC FACILITIES, BUILDINGS, STREETS, WATER, SEWER, WATER, PLANTS, EVERYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE, TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND OTHER CAPITAL EXPENDITURES.

NOW FOR THE THE KIND OF GOING OVER OUR PROJECTS.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, FOCUS ON THE $91.9 MILLION.

OKAY. NOW, EACH OF THE PROJECTS I KIND OF KIND OF WANT TO GO OVER EACH ONE OF THEM AS A REFRESHER RESIDENTIAL STREET PROGRAM.

I'LL HIT THAT IN A FEW MORE SLIDES FURTHER DOWN TO GO OVER THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

COUNTRY CLUB MILL AND OVERLAY FROM MCGRUDER TO NAVARRO.

THAT'S A MILL AND OVERLAY PROJECT.

TANGLEWOOD PHASE ONE IS FROM MCGRUDER TO NAVARRO.

YES, SIR. NOT ALL THE WAY TO SPRING CREEK? NO, SIR. OKAY.

THAT'S WHY WE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT PATCH IS CUT SMOOTH.

DONE VERY WELL.

YES. TANGLEWOOD PHASE ONE IS THE STREET PORTION, AND COLLEGE PARK IS ALSO THE STREET PORTION.

AND THEN BON AIR IS THE STREET PORTION.

WE WANT TO GET THOSE DONE IN 2024 ADVERTISING BY 2024.

WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO OVERLAP THOSE CONTRACTORS, BUT THERE'LL BE A POINT WHEN WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ADVERTISE, GET THAT PROPOSAL DONE, GET IT OUT, GET A CONTRACTOR SELECTED AS THEY'RE WRAPPING UP.

THERE CAN BE A LITTLE OVERLAP BECAUSE THERE MAY BE A PORTION WHERE THEY CAN START THE STREET WORK WHERE CONTRACTOR IS DONE WITH UTILITY WORK.

THEY MAY BE WORKING ON ANOTHER STREET.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TIME THAT TO KEEP THESE PROJECTS GOING AND KEEP THAT STREET WORK RIGHT BEHIND IT.

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YES, SIR. OKAY.

THE NEXT ONE IS BRIDLE RIDGE RECONSTRUCTION, PHASE THREE AND FOUR.

THAT'S NOT A FULL RECONSTRUCTION.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IS THE STREET PORTION, REPLACE SOME OF THAT CURB AND GUTTER WHERE THERE'S LOW SPOTS OR HOLDING WATER.

BUT IT'S REALLY ATTACKING THE STREET.

THAT IS THE NEXT SECTION OVER AND IT INCLUDES SPUR STREET BRIDLE AND THEN APPALOOSA.

THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION THAT IS I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED CLYDESDALE.

THAT'S THE FURTHEST OFF TO THE RIGHT AND THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF SADDLEBROOK, BUT THAT'S IN THE FUTURE.

THE NEXT ONE IS VISTA DEL SOL.

THAT IS MONTEREY STREET.

GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THAT IS.

IT'S WHERE THE SKATING RINK IS ON SAM HOUSTON, THAT STREET.

THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S BEEN IN THE CIP FOR QUITE A WHILE.

IT ALSO INCLUDES ABBY STREET, TAMPICO AND DEERWOOD.

SOME OF THOSE, AGAIN, THE CURB AND GUTTERS AND RELATIVELY GOOD SHAPE OUT THERE.

ONE OF THOSE STREETS HAS 1,000,001 POTHOLES.

IT'S LIKE POTHOLE ON TOP OF POTHOLES, BUT THE CURB AND GUTTER IS GOOD.

SO WE WANT TO GO IN THERE AND REPAIR THOSE STREETS, RECONSTRUCT THEM.

ON LINGO, DOES THAT INCLUDE.

ANY TYPE OF LAND ACQUISITION? VERY POSSIBLE.

OKAY. WHEN I GET TO THAT ONE, YOU DIDN'T GET THERE YET.

I'M STILL HITTING LONE TREE ACRES.

YEAH, IT'S TBD. TBD.

I THOUGHT I HEARD MAGRUDER.

I'M SORRY. UH, THEN LONE TREE ACRES.

OF COURSE. LONE TREE ACRES, OF COURSE, IS OVER.

TIBILETTI. MONSIEUR HAYEK.

MORRIS. IT'S ALSO INCLUDES THE STREETS, WHAT I CALL LONE TREE ACRE SOUTH, WHICH IS THURMOND, COLLINS AND LULA STREETS.

THOSE STREETS ARE IN BAD SHAPE.

IT'S REDOING SOME OF THAT THAT INTERNAL DRAINAGE.

IF WE HAVE TO DO PIPES AND GRADE THE DITCHES, WE'LL DO THAT AND BUILD THE STREET.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THIS ONE WE GET THE LIME SO GREAT ON THAT STREET.

THAT'S THAT'S A BIG ONE.

IT'S YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT ON GRAVEL BASE.

YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO THAT SUBGRADE.

RESIDENTIAL, AS YOU CAN SEE, WAS 26.9 MILLION.

NOW I'LL GET INTO THE THOROUGHFARES AND COLLECTORS KIND OF GO OVER THOSE MAGRUDER.

THAT'S FROM LINGO LANE TO COUNTRY CLUB RECONSTRUCTION.

IT'S KEEPING IT THE SAME PLUS, PLUS OR MINUS ON THE SAME WIDTH.

WE'LL TRY TO WIDEN IT OUT A LITTLE BIT IF WE CAN, IN THE AREAS THAT WE CAN.

BUT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE CURB AND GUTTER.

IT IS BASICALLY THE STREET LINGO LANE RECONSTRUCTION.

WE'RE WORKING ON DESIGNS ON THAT ONE.

AS FAR AS DO WE WANT TO SHORTEN THAT CURVE A LITTLE BIT, GET IT SMOOTHER AS WE COME AROUND THAT TRANSITION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S TIGHT AND THAT ROAD IS NARROW. SO THAT'S.

AS JESUS MENTIONED, THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON THROUGH THE DESIGN.

WE'VE GOT THAT UNDERWAY.

WE'LL GET THAT COMPLETED AND THEN WE CAN PREPARE AND BRING THAT BACK.

WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AS FAR AS HERE'S OUR PROPOSALS, HERE'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

BUT AND TO FURTHER CLARIFY, MAYOR, YOUR QUESTION, THE BUDGET THAT'S IN THERE FOR LINGO LANE CURRENTLY FOR ITS RECONSTRUCTION DOES NOT INCLUDE A COMPLETE REROUTE. SLIDE WITH ACQUISITION OF ADDITIONAL PROPERTY FOR A MAJOR REROUTE.

SO IF WE DO DECIDE TO REROUTE IT OR ADJUST ITS PATH, THE ACQUISITION PIECE IS NOT IN THERE.

AND IT WOULD PROBABLY UP THE INCREASE OR INCREASE THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING OVER.

DEFINITELY WOULD. RIGHT.

YEAH. YEAH. AND IT WOULD INVOLVE IT'S YEAH, IT'D BE MORE POWER POLES, MORE COMPLEX.

COMPLEX. THEN THE NEXT ONE IS PLEASANT GREEN.

THAT'S A MILL AND OVERLAY, AND THAT'S FROM SOUTH LAURENT TO CALAIS STREET.

DEL MAR DRIVE MILL AND OVERLAY IS FROM NORTH STREET TO PLEASANT GREEN.

ODOM STREET, WHICH IS A CONCRETE STREET.

AND I WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS ONE.

THAT'S FROM PORT LAVACA HIGHWAY TO SOUTH LAURENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT VICTORIA USED BACK IN THE DAY, I'M GETTING TECHNICAL BECAUSE I LIKE THIS PART.

WE USED RIVER, RIVER GRAVEL IN OUR CONCRETE.

WE'VE HAD ONE STREET DOWNTOWN NAMED MILSOM STREETS.

YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON DOWNTOWN.

AND BASICALLY THAT MILLING, THE MILLING COMPANY SAID, I WILL NEVER COME BACK AND MILL ANOTHER STREET.

VICTORIA HE GROUND UP MORE BLADES, MORE BITS THAN HE COULD EVER DO.

WE'RE GOING TO DO SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON RED RIVER BETWEEN MAIN STREET AND NAVARRO THAT WAS OVERLAID PROBABLY 35 YEARS AGO.

WE JUST FINISHED IT TWO YEARS AGO.

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IT'S NOT TOO HIGH.

SO THAT IT'S NOT AN ABRUPT BUMP WHEN YOU TURN OFF THE STREET INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY.

BUT IT JUST SAVES AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY OF HAVING TO MILL THAT OUTSIDE LANE.

VINE STREET.

THAT'S EVERYBODY'S NEAR AND DEAR HEART.

MOCKINGBIRD TO RED RIVER IS RECONSTRUCT THAT AGAIN.

LIME SUBGRADE.

A LOT OF BASS, A LOT OF HOT MIX AND SOME OF THAT AREA.

WE TALKED ABOUT RAISING THAT ROAD UP A LITTLE AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHERE IT FLOODS.

IF WE CAN BRING IT UP EVEN 6 TO 8IN AROUND WEST OUTFALL, THAT WOULD HELP THAT ROAD FROM GOING UNDERWATER AS MANY TIMES AS IT DOES.

MOCKINGBIRD LANE MILL AND OVERLAY IS FROM STOCKBAUER TO LOOP 463.

BEN JORDAN MILL AND OVERLAY IS FROM AIRLINE TO RED RIVER IN FRONT OF THE COLLEGE AND IN LARKSPUR IS FROM NAVARRO TO PLACIDO.

WE HAVE CONTACTED OUR THE COMPANY THAT HAS DONE TESTING IN THE PAST.

WE ALWAYS CALL THEM AHEAD OF TIME.

WE'VE TALKED TO THEM.

THEY'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE STREETS.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE THE OFFICIAL TESTING WHERE THEY TAKE BORES AND TELL US HOW MUCH BASE IS IN THERE.

BUT THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT AND DRIVEN THEM WITH US AND SAID, YES, YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

WE'RE NINE.

YOU KNOW, 85% SURE YOU CAN DO THIS.

THEY'LL IDENTIFY SOME AREAS OF HOW WE DO SOME POINT REPAIRS AND THINGS, BUT WE HAVE CONFIRMED WITH THEM AHEAD OF THIS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOLLOWING THE COST OPTIMIZATION PROGRAM AND THAT WHAT PROCESS WE'RE LOOKING AT CAN BE DONE.

GO BACK TO BEN JORDAN.

WHERE IS THAT? IN FRONT OF THE COLLEGE, RIGHT.

THE PART THAT'S CRACKED UP, THAT'S BETWEEN RED RIVER AND AIRLINE.

IT'S A HOT MIXED STREET NOW.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN MUCH WORSE CONDITION THAN A MILL AND OVERLAY WOULD.

YES, IT DOES.

THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THAT CONSULTANT, THE CONSULTANT.

AND HE'S HE WAS A PAVEMENT ENGINEER IN SAN ANTONIO FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.

HE LOVES HIS STUFF.

WELL, HE CAME OUT THERE AND WE LOOKED AT IT AND HE SAID, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HE SAID, IT'S OKAY.

HE SAID, LOOK AT THE FOUNDATION.

THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE OF SPOTS.

AND I'M GOING TO SAY UP BY COLLEGE, THAT ACTUALLY HAS FAILED.

IT'S GOT CRACKS IN IT, GRANTED THAT.

BUT AS FAR AS IT FAILING, IT'S NOT FAILING, HE SAID.

YOU CAN MILL IT, PUT A SEAL ON IT.

OVERLAY IT, THOSE CRACKS ARE GOING TO COME.

THEY WILL PROPAGATE THROUGH LIKE THEY HAVE ON MAIN STREET, BUT YOU WILL IMPROVE THAT RIDE QUALITY IMMENSELY.

SO IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO MILL AND OVERLAY LIKE WHEEL, MILL IT OUT, MILL IT DOWN, BUT IT'LL IMPROVE THAT RIDE.

ONCE WE MILL IT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT A SMOOTHER SURFACE.

THEY'LL GET A LAY DOWN MACHINE, THERE'LL BE SOME.

THE WORST PARTS IS WHERE THE INTERSECTIONS AND THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CORRECT BECAUSE YOU STILL GOT TO GET THAT TIE IN.

AND THE DRAINAGE, THE OLD DAYS, WHAT THEY DID.

WRONG WAY TO DESIGN A STREET IS THEY MET CENTERLINE CROWNS, WHETHER IT WAS A ARTERIAL TO A MINOR STREET.

THEY MET THE CENTER CROWNS AND THEN THEY PUT DRAINAGE ON EITHER SIDE.

THAT'S NOT DONE ANYMORE.

NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE THE MAJOR STREET, RUN THAT CROWN THROUGH, AND THEN THE OTHER STREETS, THEY'RE STOP STREETS.

YOU CAN MANEUVER THAT, CURVE IT, BUT.

THAT CURB AND GUTTER IS KIND OF LOCKED IN.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KIND OF FOLLOW THOSE RISES.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE AS MUCH OF THAT OUT AS WE CAN, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE THERE.

THAT'S JUST THE 1950S WAY OF HOW THEY DESIGNED BACK IN THE DAY.

KIN ON BEN JORDAN, PAST AIRLINE BEFORE YOU GET TO CRESTWOOD.

SEEMS TO ME THERE'S A BIG HOLE THERE.

AND I KNOW THE STREETS CONCRETE.

AND I REMEMBER THAT BEN JORDAN WAS THE FIRST OR ONE OF THE FIRST CONCRETE STREETS.

THERE IS SOME PAVEMENT.

SOME OF THE MANHOLES HAVE SETTLED AND WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE AS WE GO.

THERE'S ALSO WE'RE WORKING ON THERE'S A SEWER COLLAPSE RIGHT AT POPLAR AVENUE SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.

I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE SEWER LINE FIXED.

IT'S IT'S DRAINING AND WE'RE HAVING TO PUMP IT OUT ONCE ABOUT ONCE A DAY.

BUT THAT'S IN OUR IMMEDIATE NEEDS AS FAR AS WE'RE WORKING ON IT.

I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S IT DRIVEN DOWN.

YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE.

OKAY. UTILITY PROJECTS.

11.7 MILLION.

IT'S THE ASR PROJECT.

WELL, PROJECT THAT'S A PART OF THIS FUNDING AS FAR AS THE UTILITIES GO.

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EMERALD HILLS SANITARY SEWER LINE REPLACEMENT.

EMERALD HILLS IS JADE TOPAZ TOPAZ AREA.

SOME OF THOSE LINES ARE REALLY OLD VINE STREET WATER LINE REPLACEMENT THAT IS FROM TRINITY TO NORTH STREET, NOT IN THE SECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE RECONSTRUCTING.

THE ANTHONY ROAD SEWER LINE.

THAT'S THE DESIGN, AND THAT'S FROM LONE TREE TO US 59.

THAT SEWER LINE IS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THAT LIFT STATION.

IF YOU'LL NOTICE, WE'RE DOING THE ONE ON COUNTRY CLUB RIGHT BY LIFT STATION.

ANYTIME THOSE SEWER LINES, ESPECIALLY THE CONCRETE ONES NEAR A LIFT STATION, THE OFF GASES JUST EAT THOSE LINES UP.

AND THAT'S RIGHT THERE, ANTHONY AND LONE TREE IS RIGHT BY THAT LIFT STATION.

ADDITIONAL HIGH SERVICE PUMP THAT'S RECOMMENDED IN THE WATER MASTER PLAN.

WE WANT TO GET THAT STARTED.

THAT'S A CAPITAL PROJECT.

NORTHEAST WATER LINE, THE REPLACEMENT, THE DESIGN THAT'S FROM HAND ROAD TO ONE LANE STREET.

DAIRY ROAD WATER LINE ABANDONMENT.

THAT IS WHERE THE OLD PLANT FOUR WAS.

IT'S NOT ON DAIRY ROAD.

IT'S IN THE BACK AREA IN AN EASEMENT.

WE JUST WANT TO GET THAT WATER LINE ABANDONED.

GET IT OUT OF SERVICE.

IT'S IT'S AN OLDER WATER LINE.

AND WE COULD DO THAT WITHOUT INTERRUPTION OR ANYTHING TO AFFECT THE CIRCULATION OF WATER.

LED STREET LIGHTING PROGRAM.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE. THAT WOULD BE PHASE THREE.

THAT IS GOING TO BE THE.

FINAL SECTION WITH VICTOR ELECTRIC CO OP TO GET THE REST OF THEIR SYSTEM UP TO LEAD.

WE'VE TALKED TO THEM. WE'VE NEGOTIATING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.

AND IT'S ALSO TO POSSIBLY, IF WE CAN AFFORD IT, TO DO A LIGHTING PROGRAM WHERE WE BRING IN AN EXPERT TO TELL US WHERE OUR DEFICIENCIES ARE.

SO THAT'S PART OF THAT PHASE THREE.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AT OUR ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW AT 45.87 MILLION.

CAN I JUMP BACK TO THE DAIRY ROAD SECTION OF DAIRY ROAD? IS THAT IT'S THE SECTION NORTH OF HOOVER STREET WHERE PLANT FOUR WAS.

THERE'S SOME WATER LINES THAT GO THROUGH THAT IN AN EASEMENT THROUGH THAT, I CALL IT THE PLANT FOUR PROPERTY, THE CORNER OF DAIRY AND HOOVER WOULD BE THE NEXT TO THE HONDA DEALERSHIP. WE DON'T HAVE DO WE HAVE TO GET INTO THAT ROAD BECAUSE WE JUST.

NO, WE DO NOT HAVE TO GET INTO THAT ROAD.

OKAY. LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE OLD PLANT CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? NEXT SLIDE. GILBERT, PUT THIS TOGETHER.

GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR IT.

THIS SHOWS A HISTORY.

NINE YEAR HISTORY, IF YOU'LL SEE.

LOOK AT LOOK AT THE JUMP WE'RE DOING IN 2024.

THAT'S HUGE.

IT'S THE LARGEST EVER ONE YEAR CAPITAL PROGRAM.

BUT THAT GIVES A BREAKDOWN OF EACH OF WHERE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL THOROUGHFARES, UTILITIES.

OF COURSE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING IS BLUE IN THE 2024.

AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROJECTS.

AND ONE OF THE POINTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN GILBERT AND I WERE GOING THROUGH THIS THAT WE FELT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE ON THIS SLIDE.

IS THAT. YES, IT'S A IT'S A LARGE NUMBER FOR THE CAP AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S SKEWED, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING.

BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONVEY THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE.

ALLOCATING THAT MUCH FUNDS TO THE BUILDING.

WE'RE STILL INVESTING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY IN STREETS, WHETHER THAT BE THE RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM OR THE THOROUGHFARE PROGRAM.

AND THIS GRAPHIC VERY CLEARLY SHOWS HOW WE'RE DOING THAT.

AND IT ALSO IS A REMINDER TO US HOW IN FISCAL YEAR 23, IT WAS A BIG YEAR FOR UTILITIES BECAUSE OF JUST THE ORDER THAT WE DO, THOSE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH THE UTILITIES GOING IN IN FISCAL YEAR 23 AND THEN STREETS IN 24.

AND SO, AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH, YES, THE BLUE ELEMENT IS IS A LOT IT'S NOT AT THE SACRIFICE OF KEEPING US ON TRACK WITH OUR GOALS, WHICH KEN WILL GET INTO AS IT RELATES TO STREETS.

IT'S A GOOD SLIDE.

IT POINTS THAT OUT.

YES, IT IS.

IT IS. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU, GILBERT, FOR THAT ADDITION.

NEXT ONE IS CIP PROGRAM.

WE'RE JUST KIND OF GO OVER THIS CDBG MITT.

WHERE IS THAT GOING TO? IT'S GOING TO LOAN THREE ACRES AT 3.9 MILLION.

IT'S GOING TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.

THE HARDING NATSUKI'S HARDING HARDENING AT 5.4 MILLION.

AND THEN THE WATER SKATER PROJECT, THAT'S THE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD SKATER FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SIDE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET TO WATER SIDE.

WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT.

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WE'VE GOT SOME OF THAT SKATER IN PLACE SO WE CAN MONITOR THAT WATER BETTER FROM.

SYSTEM AND FROM IOC WISE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT LEAVES A TOTAL AMOUNT OF 13 MILLION.

AND THEN THERE'S A REMAINING MITT AVAILABLE OF 6.48 MILLION.

WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT BE ALLOCATED TO THE INFLOW AND INFILTRATION PROJECTS.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT STUDY.

AS YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING SMOKE TESTING THAT'S GOING TO IDENTIFY THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK, IDENTIFY SOME PROJECTS THAT CAN REALLY MAKE AN EFFECT AS FAR AS REDUCING OUR I AND I.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO HOLD THAT MONEY BACK FOR RECOMMEND TO HOLD THAT MONEY BACK FOR TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS AS THEY PRESENT THEM IN 2020 EARLY 2024 ON PUBLIC LINES PUBLIC LINES.

RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE SOME LEFTOVER, YOU CAN ALWAYS GIVE IT TO THE RESIDENTIAL.

THAT'S TRUE. I WANT TO KIND OF GO NOW.

I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STREETS.

WE'VE GOT AGAIN, AS JESUS MENTIONED, WE'RE STILL FOCUSING ON STREETS IN 2024.

WE'RE DOING 19 MILES OF RESIDENTIAL, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE OVERALL MAP WHERE THEY'RE AT AND THEN FIVE MILES OF THOROUGHFARES AND COLLECTORS.

THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION THAT OF THE 3.6, 3.363 MILLION.

WE WERE ABLE TO INCREASE THAT A LITTLE BIT AND GET MORE STREETS IN BECAUSE OF THE.

REDUCTION OF THE SIDEWALK.

NOT DOING A SIDEWALK PROJECT ALLOWED US TO ADD SOME MORE MONEY INTO THIS RESIDENTIAL PART BELOW.

IN HIGHLIGHT, IT WAS MOVED TO 2025 AND ALSO AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE ORDER THAT YOU APPROVED EARLIER.

CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.

WHICH MOVED SOME STREETS ORIGINALLY ON THE SCHEDULE FOR 24 TO 23.

AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE, SOME OF THESE ARE SEALS STILL THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO THIS YEAR AND WE WERE GOING TO PLAN TO DO ANYWAY IN 24.

A LOT OF THEM ARE RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME RECLAIMED SEALS.

WE'RE USING A MIX OF EVERY TOOL AVAILABLE.

KEEPING THE COST DOWN, BUT STILL REBUILDING THAT STREET.

AND THAT'S A MAP OF THE STREETS WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR NEXT YEAR.

KEN, CAN YOU GO BACK? YES, SIR. AND ALSO TO CLARIFY SOME OF THE STREETS THAT ARE ON THERE AS RECONSTRUCTION WERE ORIGINALLY NOT PLANNED TO BE RECONSTRUCTION.

CORRECT. AND SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT NOW WE PUT MORE EFFORT, MONEY, ENERGY, ETCETERA, INTO ENSURING THAT THE BASE OF A STREET WOULD WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A SEAL.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HAVING TO MOVE UP SOME STREETS AND NOT HAVE TO.

BUT PART OF THE BENEFIT OF MOVING UP SOME STREETS, MOVING UP TO SOME TO 25 AND ALSO INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF BUDGET GOING INTO RESIDENTIAL STREET PROGRAM, SOMEBODY MIGHT SAY, WELL, HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, IT'S BECAUSE SOME OF THESE STREETS INCREASED IN THEIR COST ESTIMATE BECAUSE THEY HAD TO GO FROM SEALS TO RECONSTRUCTION.

THERE WAS ANOTHER REASON.

I KNOW.

GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD.

LET'S MAKE SURE IT WAS STATED.

NO. GO FOR IT, BRO.

Y'ALL GO AHEAD. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

NOW, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT, AS YOU RECALL, BACK IN DECEMBER, WE MADE A PRESENTATION TO YOU.

THERE WERE SOME STREETS THAT WERE PUSHING, TAKING OFF 23 AND MOVING UP TO 24 BECAUSE TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAGUIRE AND SOME OTHER STREETS, THAT WAS OVER $1.5 MILLION OF STREETS BEING MOVED OUT INTO 24.

SO IN ADDITION TO MISS MR. GARZA MENTIONED ABOUT THE INCREASE IN COST, YOU HAD THAT AMOUNT TO DEAL WITH, WHICH AS A RESULT YOU REQUIRED TO PUSH SOME MORE WORK TO TWO AND 25 WHERE THE FUNDING IS AVAILABLE.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STREETS AND UTILITIES DONE IN DISTRICTS ONE AND TWO, WHICH IS MAKES ME VERY HAPPY.

YES. AND THEY'RE KIND OF SPREAD OUT, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, A LITTLE BIT EVERYWHERE.

SO, MR. GARZA, ARE WE KEEPING UP WITH THE NUMBER OF MILES YOU WANT TO DO EACH YEAR? HE'S GOT A SLIDE ON THAT.

I GOT A COOL SLIDE ON THAT.

I GOT A COOL SLIDE.

ALL RIGHT. THERE'S THERE'S THE MAP OF THE PROJECTS THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL FOR 2024.

PAVING THE WAY TO THE GOAL.

HERE'S YOUR ANSWER. HERE'S THE ANSWER.

THIS SLIDE WAS DEVELOPED BY AVERY.

SO I TAKE NO CREDIT IN THIS.

GOAL WAS 112 MILES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THAT GOAL.

THERE'S THE STREET.

TOTALLY MISSING MUSIC.

2022. WE DID 18 MILES.

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KEN WOULD NOT HAVE HAD DONE.

I WOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS. THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE UP TO 40 MILES.

20. 24.

THAT'S OUR BIG JUMP.

WE GO TO 64 MILES.

AS YOU SEE, WE'RE STILL DOING STREETS.

I DON'T THINK THIS DRAW IS DRAWN TO SCALE.

YEAH, I'LL TALK TO AVERY ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE GETTING 25.

WE FOLLOW THE PLAN. WE'RE AT 85.

IN 26 WE GO TO 105, WHICH I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE MOST WE'VE DONE IN MANY, MANY SIPS OVER THIS OVER FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

WE'RE TRACKING THAT GOAL.

GILBERT'S DOING, OF COURSE, HIS JOB TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO IT.

AND REMEMBER, THE PREVIOUS FIVE YEAR WINDOW HAD 75 MILES.

AND SO THE REASON WHY WE SET THE GOAL AT 112 IS BECAUSE THAT WAS A 50% INCREASE IN THE MILES OF STREETS.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE AT 105 AND THE GOAL IS 112, WE'RE STILL VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THAT.

YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS TO, YOU KNOW, GET CLOSER TO THE 112.

BUT EITHER WAY, I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING A SIGNIFICANT DENT IN OUR STREET PROGRAM WITHIN THIS FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

THE NEXT SLIDE.

AVERY DID THIS ONE.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION ON IT.

THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF STEEL MILL AND OVERLAY AND RECONSTRUCTION.

YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE.

I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. THE MILL AND OVERLAY, THAT'S BEEN A BIG PUSH.

THIS OVER THIS FIVE YEARS.

WE HAVEN'T WE DIDN'T DO A LOT OF THAT WITH THAT MILL AND OVERLAY.

I THINK THE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF VICTORIA ARE GOING TO SEE THE BENEFITS.

WE'RE SAVING THOSE ARTERIALS.

YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH SAM HOUSTON COST BACK IN, WHAT, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO? 17 MILLION.

I DON'T EVEN WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT DUAL WOULD COST.

NOW THAT THAT'S PROBABLY 50 MILLION, JUST THAT PORTION FROM LAURENT TO BUSINESS 59.

SO MILLING AND OVERLAY ARE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABSOLUTELY A HUGE BENEFIT IN FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL SEE IT.

THIS IS BASICALLY A BREAKDOWN OF EACH PROJECT WHERE ALL THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO EACH ONE, BUT YOU'LL SEE IT'S A MIX OF GENERAL FUNDS, CO BONDS, UTILITY FUNDS, UTILITY DEBT CAPACITY, VICTORIA SALES TAX DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

THERE'S GRANT MONEY INVOLVED.

AND THEN THERE'S THE TEXAS TEX DOT OVERPASS FUND.

WE'RE STILL USING.

I THINK WE'RE WRAPPING UP THAT ONE, BUT IT'S OUT THERE.

AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH.

EACH PROJECT IS DEFINED IN HERE.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE LATER.

IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, GO TO THAT.

AND HERE'S THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS THE FUNDING FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S WE ESTIMATED 4.45 .88.

IT'S DRAWING FUNDS FROM EVERYWHERE.

GILBERT'S PULLED EVERYTHING HE CAN PULL.

IT'S GOT TWO FOR SIX.

IT'S ACTUALLY EIGHT FUNDING AREAS THAT ARE IN HERE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO POINT OUT IS SALES TAX.

IT'S AN ANNUAL BUDGET ALLOCATION.

SO EACH YEAR THEY'LL BUDGET THAT ALLOCATION IN FOR THE $10 MILLION.

BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A IT'S A MATCH OF EVERYTHING FROM TECH STOCK FUNDS TO EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF THE HURRICANE HARVEY.

AND IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE, YOU CAN ASK GILBERT OR ASUS ON THAT ONE.

THAT'S THEIR EXPERTISE.

BUT BOTH GILBERT AND I LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS THINKING OR WHAT.

YEAH. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, BUT FEEL FREE TO ADD ON.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE BLUE PORTION FOR CO BONDS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC IS INCLUSIVE, AS IT DESCRIBES THERE.

SOME ALLOCATION COMING FROM THE SALES TAX DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THEM.

IN ESSENCE BEING THAT $10 MILLION.

AND SO BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LEVERAGE THE DEBT OR ISSUE THE DEBT, I SHOULD SAY.

AND SO TECHNICALLY, THE PORTION OF THE DEBT THAT WOULD BE BACKED BY PROPERTY TAX REVENUE IS REALLY LESS THAN MINUS AND SUBTRACT THE SALES TAX DEVELOPMENT PIECE OUT OF THAT.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DEBT IS BEING ISSUED, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PROJECT.

AND WITH IT BEING OVER $40 MILLION, I THINK IT'S ALSO A GOOD STORY TO CONVEY THAT TECHNICALLY, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY HALF OF THAT I'M

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SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.

FEEL FREE TO ADD.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. WE DO. WE DO.

WE DO. PLAN.

I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. NO, GO AHEAD.

WE DO PLAN ON RECEIVED A REALLY GOOD SUGGESTION FROM COUNCILMAN CROCKER ON PUTTING TOGETHER AN FAQ DOCUMENT. I THINK IT WAS YOU.

I'LL TAKE CREDIT. OKAY.

YEAH. AND SOMEBODY ELSE.

I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON PUTTING TOGETHER AN FAQ ONE PAGER ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTER BUILDING BECAUSE WE DO EXPECT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS THIS BEGINS TO BE TALKED ABOUT MORE IN A PUBLIC SETTING.

YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM AS AN EXAMPLE? YOU KNOW, IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT MY PROPERTY TAXES? YOU KNOW, WHY IS THIS MONEY BEING SPENT ON A BUILDING AND NOT ON SALARIES? RIGHT. I MEAN, WE EXPECT A LOT OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, STEMMING FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT BEING BUILT SINCE WE DON'T DO THIS EVERY DAY.

AND SO WE DO PLAN ON PUTTING TOGETHER AN FAQ DOCUMENT.

YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE FLIER EVERY YEAR GOING INTO THE BUDGET.

AND SO A FULL PAGE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, FLIER WILL BE THE ONE PAGER FAQ FOR THIS BUILDING SINCE IT IS SUCH A BIG PART OF NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.

AND SO WE ARE WORKING ON ON THAT.

LAST SLIDE, GUYS.

LAST SLIDE IN, LADIES, WRAP UP PROJECTS BASED ON VESTS.

WE'RE GOING TO GET THESE OUT BEST VALUE APPROACH.

WE WANT TO PREPARE SOME OF THESE PROPOSALS IN SIMILAR METHOD, LIKE IF WE'RE DOING MILL AND OVERLAYS, DON'T JUST DO ONE AT A TIME.

LET'S PUT THEM TOGETHER.

LET'S ATTRACT WE'LL GET GET A CONTRACTOR OUT OF HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO CORPUS THAT DOES THAT'S WHAT THEY SPECIALIZE MILL AND OVERLAYS WE KNOW YOU KNOW LONE STAR IS COMING TO VICTORIA TEXAS THEY'RE FROM SAN ANTONIO.

THEY ARE VERY WELL QUALIFIED.

PUT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER.

IT HELPS US AS FAR AS PROPOSALS, BUT IT ALSO WILL ATTRACT SOME OF THE BIGGER CONTRACTORS IN HOUSE DESIGN.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING ANOTHER ITE.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO IMPROVE OUR IN HOUSE DESIGN AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

THAT'S A BIG PART OF AN ENGINEER WITH THE CITY IS NOT ONLY DESIGNING, BUT THEY GOT TO GET OUT THERE AND LOOK AT ANSWER QUESTIONS, DISCUSS WITH THE CONTRACTOR, FIND OUT NEW INNOVATIVE WAYS TO SAVE MONEY.

GOOD EXAMPLE AVERY'S ITE.

HE WAS A BIG PART IN A MAJOR DESIGN ENGINEER FOR THE SPRING CREEK.

HE DID A GREAT JOB AND HE'S WALKING THROUGH THAT WITH THE CONTRACTOR ASKING QUESTIONS.

THEY HAVE PROBLEMS. HE'S OUT THERE.

THAT'S THE END OF THE CIP FOR 2024 PROPOSED.

ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. INFORMATIVE.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY. HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

TOMORROW. TOMORROW.

TOMORROW? YES. I'LL BE 47.

I THINK HE'S DYSLEXIC.

OH, YOU DON'T LOOK GOOD FOR 47.

JUST LIKE I DON'T LOOK GOOD FOR 30.

MR. NOVOSAD.

[2. City of Victoria HOT Funds Awards Program Update. Joel Novosad, Direct...]

YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANKS Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT.

I HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR THE HOT FUNDS, THE ANNUALS, THE CITY'S ANNUAL HOT FUNDS AWARDS PROGRAM.

AND I WILL, JUST FOR THE MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW THIS, BUT FOR THE FOR THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE VIEWING PUBLIC.

HOT STANDS FOR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

ALL HOTEL ROOMS IN VICTORIA ARE ASSESSED AT 13% TAX, 6% OF THAT GOING TO THE STATE AND 7% OF THAT GOING TO THE CITY.

PER PER STATE LAW, HOT FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED TO PROMOTE TOURISM IN THE CITY AND THE VICTORIA CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES HOW MUCH TO A LOT IN THE PROGRAM EACH YEAR.

SO WHEN I SAY CAN ONLY BE USED FOR TOURISM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, THE STATE LAW ACTUALLY OUTLINES SEVERAL WAYS THAT THAT CAN BE USED.

CONVENTION CENTERS AND VISITOR INFORMATION CENTERS, SUCH AS THE ONE THAT THE CVB OPERATES AT 700 MAIN CENTER.

EXPENSES RELATED TO CONVENTIONS AND MEETINGS, ADVERTISING, SOLICITATION AND PROMOTIONS, PROMOTION OF THE ARTS.

THINGS LIKE PAYING FOR LIVE MUSIC ACTS, SPECIAL ARTISTS, GUEST DANCERS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

HISTORICAL RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION.

SPORTING EVENT EXPENSES.

DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE SUCH AS OUR WAYFINDING SIGN PROGRAM.

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AND THEN TRANSPORTATION OF TOURISTS REFERRING TO ANY KIND OF SHUTTLE BUS, TRANSPORTATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND I WILL SAY THAT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR HOT FUNDS AWARDS PROGRAM, THE MAJORITY OF OUR APPLICANTS AND AWARDEES ARE EITHER IN THE PROMOTION OF THE ARTS OR THE SPORTING EVENT EXPENSES. WE ALSO DO HAVE A FEW TO HISTORICAL RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION.

THE EXPENSES RELATED TO CONVENTIONS AND MEETINGS AND ADVERTISING AS WELL.

WE VERY RARELY HAVE NEVER SEE ANYTHING RELATED TO CONVENTION CENTERS, DIRECTIONAL SIGNS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS.

SO IT'S THOSE TWO ARE THE BIG ONE.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE OCCASIONALLY A FEW APPLICANTS FROM THE OTHERS.

SO JUST SOME TERMINOLOGY FOR THE REST OF MY PRESENTATION.

THE HOT FUNDS AWARD SUBCOMMITTEE THAT'S COMPRISED OF OUR TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT APPLYING FOR HOT FUNDS.

WE REACH OUT TO THEM BEFORE THE FORMATION OF ANY MEETINGS.

ASK WHO IS APPLYING FOR HOT FUNDS, WHO ISN'T, AND THEN THAT SUBCOMMITTEE IS APPOINTED BY OUR BOARD CHAIR, WHO CURRENTLY IS SUE PRUDHOMME OF THE MUSEUM OF THE COASTAL BEND.

THE APPLICATION IS ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT THE OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION SUBMITS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR AN AWARD, A POST-EVENT REPORT.

SO THAT IS THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY SUBMIT AFTER THEIR EVENT.

OUR PROGRAM ONLY REIMBURSES.

WE ONLY PAY IN ARREARS.

WE DON'T GIVE MONEY UP FRONT BEFORE THEIR EVENT.

AND THAT'S IN THE CASE OF THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR EVENT OR THEY DON'T TURN IN A POST EVENT REPORT OR THEIR EVENT DOESN'T PRODUCE ANY HOTEL ROOMS, WHICH OCCASIONALLY DOES HAPPEN.

AND THEN THE UPCOMING AWARDS PERIOD, IT'S ANY EVENT SEASONS TAKING PLACE BETWEEN OCTOBER 1ST, 2023 AND SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024.

SO OUR PROGRAM DOES CORRESPOND WITH OUR FISCAL YEAR.

CURRENTLY. THIS IS HOW THE SCHEDULE OF THE PROGRAM IS STATED.

SLATED APRIL 5TH, OUR HOT FUND SUB COMMITTEE.

HOT FUNDS AWARD SUB COMMITTEE MET FOR SEVERAL HOURS TO DISCUSS DIFFERENT APPROACHES IN THE ONE THAT THEY CAME TO A CONSENSUS ON IS WHAT I'LL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT.

JUNE 2023.

TO COMMUNICATE WITH POTENTIAL APPLICANTS, LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE UPCOMING WORKSHOPS AND THAT THE APPLICATION PERIOD WILL BE OPENING.

IT IS OPEN THROUGH THE ENTIRE MONTH OF JULY.

WE DO HAVE FOUR IN-PERSON APPLICATION WORKSHOPS.

TWO OF THOSE WILL BE IN THE AFTERNOON, TWO OF THOSE IN THE EVENING FOR CONVENIENCE AND AT LEAST ATTENDING.

AT LEAST ONE OF THE WORKSHOPS DOES COUNT TOWARD THE SCORING PROCESS FOR THE APPLICANT.

AUGUST 1ST, 2023, AT THE REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THE ALLOTMENT TO THE AWARDS PROGRAM.

FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT HAS SAT AT $135,000 TOTAL.

AUGUST 2ND THROUGH NINTH REVIEWING AND SCORING OF APPLICANTS.

AUGUST 10TH. THAT DATE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE AVAILABILITY OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.

BUT IT'LL BE AROUND THAT TIME.

AUGUST 18TH WILL BE AN AWARDS AWARDS APPEAL FORM.

LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T GET ANY APPEALS ON AWARDS, SO EVERYBODY WAS PRETTY SATISFIED IN THAT SENSE.

BUT IN SEPTEMBER, FIFTH, CITY COUNCIL AWARDING RESOLUTION OR CONSIDERS A RESOLUTION AWARDING FUNDS.

IDEALLY, THAT WOULD BE AT THAT MEETING.

IT COULD BE AT A SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, IDEALLY JUST BEFORE THE OCTOBER 1ST NEW FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS WHEN WE WOULD WORK WITH LEGAL TO GET THE CONTRACTS OUT TO ALL THE AWARDEES SIGNIFYING THEIR THEIR THE PROGRAM IS NOW UP AND RUNNING.

SO WHO FORMS OUR SUBCOMMITTEE? WE HAVE A GREAT GROUP OF FOLKS.

WE HAVE JAMES REARDON, OWNER OF IN ON MAIN REPRESENTS LODGING ON OUR TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD, RAJ PANCHAL OF THE COMFORT INN AND SUITES, AND BRENDA GUAJARDO OF THE COURTYARD MARRIOTT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THOSE THREE HAVE SERVED FOR QUITE SOME TIME IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES WITH HOT FUNDS AWARDS.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY PART OF THE AD HOC HOT FUNDS AWARDS COMMITTEE THAT WOULD BE PUT TOGETHER EVERY YEAR BEFORE THE BEFORE WE HAD A TOURISM ADVISORY BOARD.

THAT WOULD BE THAT GROUP OF FOLKS THAT COUNCIL WOULD APPOINT IN.

ALL THREE OF THEM SERVED IN THAT CAPACITY.

ROSANNA FRISCH, WHO IS VICTORIA MALL AND SHE SERVED ON THE HOT FUNDS AWARD SUBCOMMITTEE LAST YEAR, AND THEN TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS, BRIAN KEITH AND JOHN ANN WELCH, HAD GREAT CONTRIBUTIONS TO THAT WORKSHOP JUST APPOINTED IN JANUARY.

SO WE DO HAVE A GOOD SOLID GROUP THAT'S ABOUT HALF OF OUR BOARD.

WE HAVE A 13 MEMBER BOARD, SO HALF OF THE BOARD IS INTENDING TO APPLY FOR HOT FUNDS AND ALMOST A WHOLE HALF IS NOT.

SO THAT WAS A GOOD, SOLID GROUP WE HAD FOR OUR SUBCOMMITTEE.

SO APPLICATION, WHAT IS IT USUALLY COMPRISE OF? COMPLETED APPLICATION FORM AN EVENT BUDGET AND THEN JUST HIGHLIGHTING WHERE HOT FUNDS WILL BE APPLIED AND THEN PROVIDING SOME KIND OF DOCUMENTATION FOR HOW THEIR HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS WERE GENERATED.

WE ONLY ACCEPT ONE TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION NOW.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES THAT WE ACCEPT AND DIFFERENT EVENTS USE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.

YOU KNOW, SOME EVENTS WILL USE GUEST BOOK ENTRIES.

THOSE ARE GREAT. IF IT'S AN ATTRACTION THAT'S OPEN MANY DAYS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, SOME EVENTS CAN USE CHECK IN FORMS.

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SOMEBODY COMES, THEY HAVE TO SAY, HEY, I'M A GOLFER, I'M HERE, I'M CHECKING IN.

AND YOU CAN ASK THEM AT THAT POINT, ARE YOU STAYING IN A HOTEL? WHICH ONE ARE YOU STAYING AT? HOW MANY NIGHTS? OR YOU CAN USE SPECIAL RATES.

THAT'S A REALLY GREAT FOR LEISURE EVENTS WHERE IT'S REALLY HARD MAYBE TO GET SURVEYS AND CHECK CHECK INS.

BUT IF SOMEBODY'S COMING FOR A MUSIC FESTIVAL, THEY CAN SAY, HEY, I'M COMING IN FOR THIS MUSIC FESTIVAL.

I HEARD THIS HOTEL HAS A SPECIAL RATE.

THE HOTEL WILL OFFER IT TO THEM, AND THEN THAT SPECIAL RATE COULD BE TRACKABLE.

NOW, LIKE I SAID, ONLY ACCEPT ONE METHOD OF DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE IF YOU ACCEPTED A HOTEL SPECIAL RATE REPORT AS WELL AS A CHECK IN FORM, THERE COULD BE A CHANCE THAT THERE'S OVERLAPPING AND DUPLICATION OF NUMBERS.

BUT WE DO ALLOW MULTIPLE METHODS.

AND ONE MORE THING TO COUNT AS WELL.

WE DO NOT COUNT HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS AT THE ORGANIZATION EVENT OR THE EVENT PAID FOR THEMSELVES OR THOSE BOOKED BY ANYONE COMPENSATED TO BE AT THE EVENT.

NOW WE DO ACCEPT HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS, SAY FROM VENDORS PEOPLE ARE WHO ARE PAYING TO BE AT THE EVENT.

BUT IF SOMEONE IS COMPENSATED OR THE EVENT ITSELF PAID FOR IT, WE DON'T COUNT THOSE ROOM NIGHTS.

I THINK THE WRONG THING. SORRY.

SO HOW DO WE SCORE APPLICANTS? EVEN DISTRIBUTION OF AVAILABLE FUNDS BASED ON THE APPLICANTS ACHIEVING FOUR MARKERS.

THIS IS HOW WE CURRENTLY DO IT.

ATTENDING A WORKSHOP DOCUMENT COMPLIANCE.

SO THEY TURN IN THEIR FORM, THEIR THEIR APPLICATION FORM TURN IN A BUDGET, CREDIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY.

THEIR BUDGET IS HIGHLIGHTED.

THEY SHOW IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR $9,000 IN HOT FUNDS, WHEN THEY HIGHLIGHT THEIR BUDGET OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND HOT FUNDS, IT ADDS UP TO AT LEAST $9,000.

SIMPLE STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN THAT JUST SHOW THAT SHOW US THAT THEY'VE TAKEN THEIR TIME AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FUNDS WILL BE USED AND THEN UTILIZATION OF PRIOR AWARDS. SO IF SOMEBODY'S GOTTEN A HOT FUNDS AWARD BEFORE AND FOR SOME REASON THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR EVENT, THEY DIDN'T TURN IN A POST EVENT REPORT BECAUSE THEY JUST AND THIS IS ONLY FOR THE YEAR BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL DOCK ON POINTS FOR THAT BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT'S MONEY THAT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM ANOTHER APPLICANT.

AND WE'VE WE'VE GIVEN EXCEPTIONS IN THE PAST FOR CASES OF EVENT CANCELLATION RELATED TO COVID AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IF IT'S JUST A CASE OF BAD ORGANIZATION, BAD RECORD KEEPING AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THEIR HOT FUNDS AWARD, THAT'S MONEY THAT SOMEONE ELSE LOST OUT ON.

AND THEN PART TWO, DISTRIBUTION OF THE AVAILABLE FUNDS BASED ON HOTEL ROOM NIGHT IMPACT.

SO WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT EVENT HAD OF THE TOTAL HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS? AND THEN THE POST EVENT REPORT, THEY COMPLETE FORM AN EVENT BUDGET SHOWING THE ACTUAL REVENUES AND EXPENSES.

AGAIN, THE HOTEL ROOM NIGHT DOCUMENTATION FROM THAT YEAR'S EVENT OR SEASON.

AGAIN, WE ONLY ACCEPT ONE METHOD COPIES OF INVOICES, RECEIPTS AND THEN PROOF OF PAYMENT.

SO THAT CAN BE THINGS LIKE CANCELED CHECKS, BANK STATEMENT, LINE ITEMS, OR IN THE CASE OF CASH PAYMENTS.

CITY STAFF WITNESSING THE CASH TRANSACTION AND THEN A MARKETING EXAMPLE RECOGNIZING THE CITY.

WE DO ASK WHY IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO WATCH A WATCH, A CASH TRANSACTION THAT HAPPENS FOR A COUPLE OF OUR APPLICANTS? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHY? BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THEIR METHOD IN THE PAST AND I WANTED TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE EVENTS.

BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S HESITANCY AT THAT, WE COULD LOOK AT REMOVING THAT FROM OUR ALLOWABLE FOR THE NEXT PROGRAM.

I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER NOT DOING THAT.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S DOCUMENTABLE, OKAY, NOT JUST A CASH TRANSACTION.

YES, SIR. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S COUNCIL'S WISH.

WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE THAT IN THE POLICY.

IT'S REALLY, UM, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, YOU KNOW, THE CITIES CAN DO, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY'RE PROVING HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS.

THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW IS BASICALLY SAYING.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OUR PERSONAL PREFERENCES ON, ON HOW THEY PAY AND STUFF, THAT CAN BE UP TO COUNCIL.

ABSOLUTELY. I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING OR WHAT THE OBJECTION IS.

SO CURRENTLY, AS PROOF OF PAYMENT, JOEL LITERALLY STANDS IN A ROOM WHILE SOMEBODY HANDS $14,000 IN CASH TO A VENDOR AS PROOF THAT THAT PAYMENT WAS MADE.

BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME EVENT ORGANIZERS IN TOWN THAT WORK ON A CASH ONLY BUSINESS MODEL.

AND SO THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE PROGRAM HAS ACCEPTED THAT PROOF.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE THERE ARE PROS AND CONS WITH THAT APPROACH.

I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION AROUND CHANGING THAT AS WELL.

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I JUST DON'T I DON'T SEE IT AS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A CITY EMPLOYEE TO GO WATCH A TRANSACTION FOR SOMEONE'S BUSINESS.

TO SAY, OKAY, YEAH.

NOW YOU'RE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE CITY TO HELP WITH YOUR EVENT.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN YOUR EVENT.

YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

IN A FORM THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW.

IT'S NOT FOR THAT EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY TO GO OUT THERE AND WITNESS TRANSACTIONS.

WE JUST NEED DOCUMENTATION OF THE TRANSACTIONS AND WE CAN ABSOLUTELY PUT THAT IN THE APPLICATION AND THE POLICY THIS YEAR AND MAKE THAT A PART OF THE WORKSHOPS AND SAY THIS IS WHAT COUNCIL WANTS TO SEE GOING FORWARD.

SO A HANDWRITTEN RECEIPT FROM THE VENDOR WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? WELL, YOU'D HAVE A CONTRACT AND IT WAS PAID AND HERE'S THE CHECK NUMBER OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? YOU WOULD NEED MISS SCOTT LIKE A CANCELED CHECK OR A BANK STATEMENT LINE ITEM, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST HAVE THE RECEIPT FROM THE VENDOR, THEY COULD JUST WRITE PAID.

YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD WRITE PAID ON THERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE MAYBE NEED TO BE A FURTHER STEP OF VERIFICATION THAT THAT INVOICE WAS ACTUALLY PAID.

SO WHETHER IT'S A CANCELED CHECK, BANK STATEMENT, LINE ITEM, ETCETERA, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT GOING FORWARD.

ABSOLUTELY. SO YOU BASICALLY BE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HONOR A A CASH TRANSACTION, THAT YOU WANT TO BE DOCUMENTED WITH A CHECK? I'M WORRIED ABOUT USING PUBLIC FUNDS AND A CASH ONLY BUSINESS.

WITH NO TRACEABILITY AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC FUNDS THAT ARE COLLECTED AND DISTRIBUTED TO AN EVENT.

HOW COULD YOU EVER GO AUDIT THAT? IF SOMEONE CAME AND SAID, OH, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND AUDIT THE HOT FUNDS.

AND I GUESS THAT'S WHY THE CITY'S BEEN.

BEEN WITNESSING IT FOR THAT REASON.

BUT IS THAT REALLY THE ROLE OF THE CITY? TO GO WITNESS TRANSACTIONS SO THAT LATER YOU CAN GO FIND THEM AND SAY WE'RE DOING AN AUDIT? DID YOU CAN YOU WRITE AN AFFIDAVIT THAT YOU SAW THIS? I JUST THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO GO BACK.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S A GOOD AUDIT TRAIL FOR PUBLIC FUNDS IF IT'S ONLY ON A CASH BASIS.

I THINK THERE'S IT'S OPENS IT UP TO ABUSE.

I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY'S ABUSING IT.

I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T LIKE THE THE.

THERE'S NOT A GOOD TRAIL.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

WELL, ABSOLUTELY, MAYOR.

WE CAN MAKE, IF THE COUNCIL WISHES, WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE POLICY, IS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING RECORDABLE WITH A NO CASH TRANSACTIONS, BASICALLY.

IT NEEDS TO BE BY CHECK OR AND HAVE THOSE OTHER FORMS OF DOCUMENTS WE CAN WORK ON.

WE CAN WORK WITH LEGAL AND PUT SOMETHING IN THAT POLICY GUIDELINES THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

I'M JUST SAYING CONSENSUS. I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF THAT.

DO WHAT I SAID. IF YOU NEED A CONSENSUS FROM UP HERE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, I'M CERTAINLY AND I'M NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO OPERATE ON A CASH BASIS.

I JUST SAY THAT WE'RE USING PUBLIC FUNDS FOR THIS AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A HIGHER STANDARD AND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR MAKING SURE THAT PUBLIC FUNDS ARE USED IN THE PROPER METHOD.

AND IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND DOES A FOIA ON AN EVENT, JUST I MEAN, JUST ANYBODY COULD DO THAT.

HOW DO YOU AND THAT'S AND THAT'S A FAIR POINT.

AND WE CAN YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE WORKSHOPS ARE FOR.

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM PLENTY OF WARNING TO SAY, OKAY, HEY, THIS IS A NEW THING IN PLACE.

I KNOW YOU'RE USED TO MAYBE OPERATING ON A CASH BASIS, BUT FOR AT LEAST SOME OF THE EXPENSES YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO GET HOT FUNDS REIMBURSEMENT FOR, YOU'LL NEED THIS DIFFERENT KIND OF DOCUMENTATION AND DIFFERENT METHOD OF PAYMENT.

AND WE WE CAN DO THAT.

YEAH, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THAT.

I AGREE. OKAY. AND THEN MOVING ON, THE MARKETING EXAMPLE, RECOGNIZING THE CITY.

SO SOME SORT OF FLIER FACEBOOK POST RECOGNIZING THE CITY OF VICTORIA.

EXPLORE VICTORIA, TEXAS.

AND THEN THE AWARDEES I MENTIONED, I MENTIONED THAT EARLIER THAT THERE THEY'RE PAID AFTER THEIR EVENT.

SO NOTES ON THE CURRENT SYSTEM BIG DOWNFALL OF IT IS USUALLY NO APPLICANT GETS TURNED DOWN.

THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO PROVE ROOM NIGHTS FOR THE EVENT SEASON PRIOR TO APPLICATION.

IT DOES HELP IN THE THE CALCULATION AND YOUR REQUESTED AWARD.

BUT WE AND THAT LED TO WE HAD A RECORD OF 27 AWARDEES LAST YEAR.

USUALLY WHEN THE PROGRAM WAS UNDER LEGAL IT'D BE HAVE MAYBE 15 OR SO APPLICANTS.

I DO THINK THAT'S CREDITED TO THE CVB BEING A MORE OUTWARDLY FACING ORGANIZATION AND JUST THROUGH THE OPERATIONS OF OUR BUSINESS COMING INTO CONTACT WITH NEW EVENTS, DIFFERENT EVENT ORGANIZERS, AND YOU SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT WITH THE MEDIAN AWARD AMOUNT DROPPING SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS.

SO WHEN WE MET ON APRIL 5TH, THE PLAN THAT THE.

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AND AGAIN, I'M PRESENTING THIS FOR YOU ALL FOR SAYING THIS WAS THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS COUNCIL'S DECISION ON HOW THIS PROGRAM SHOULD BE STRUCTURED AND HOW WE SHOULD WORK THE PERCENTAGES OR WHATNOT.

BUT AND I CONFERRED WITH JUSTIN VIRGIL OF LA AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO KIND OF SPLIT THE FUNDING BASED ON DIFFERENT KINDS OF CATEGORIES AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF APPLICANTS.

SO GROUP ONE WOULD BE ONE TIME EVENTS, SPORTS EVENTS, THINGS HAPPENING ON A LIMITED TIMELINE FOR SEVERAL DAYS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THE 70% OF THE AVAILABLE FUNDING SAY IT'S 135,000 AGAIN WOULD GO TO THIS GROUP.

IT CAN BE A NONPROFIT OR A FOR PROFIT.

THEY MUST BE ABLE TO PROVE ROOM NIGHTS FOR THE MOST RECENT EVENT PRIOR TO THE APPLICATION PERIOD.

NOW THAT IS A CHANGE THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANTED TO SEE.

YOU HAVE TO PROVE ROOM NIGHTS FOR THE YEAR BEFORE.

IF YOU'RE A BRAND NEW EVENT AND YOU'VE NEVER HAD A HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS BEFORE OR YOU'RE AN EVENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE AND YOU'VE NEVER TRACKED ROOM NIGHTS, WELL GET WITH THE CVB, WE CAN HELP YOU TRACK ROOM NIGHTS AND NEXT YEAR YOU CAN APPLY.

WE WANTED TO REMOVE ANY INSTANCES WHERE NEW APPLICANTS, ESPECIALLY EVENTS THAT MAYBE ARE BRAND NEW.

THERE'S NO PROOF THAT THEY CAN PROVE ROOM NIGHTS.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GET A HOT FUNDS AWARD? IT'S TIME TO TURN IN THEIR POST EVENT REPORT AND THEY PRODUCE NO HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS.

THAT'S FUNDS THAT COULD HAVE WENT TO ANOTHER GROUP THAT HAS PROVEN ROOM NIGHTS AND THEN TAKING THOSE FUNDS AND THE REMAINING TAKING THOSE 70% AND SPLITTING THEM, 50% OF THOSE, THAT 70% IS EVENLY DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN THE ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS.

AND I MENTIONED IT ON THOSE FOUR MARKERS EARLIER, THE DOCUMENT COMPLIANCE, CREDIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, UTILIZATION OF PRIOR AWARD, ATTENDING A WORKSHOP. AND THEN A 50% OF THAT IS DISTRIBUTED BY THE PERCENTAGE OF HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS SHARES.

NOW, HERE'S AN INTERESTING THING TO ADD FOR THIS.

THIS IS HOW WE INTRODUCE A LIMITING FACTOR, IF YOU WILL, INTO THE AMOUNT OF APPLICANTS WE HAVE OR THE AMOUNT OF AWARDEES EXCUSE ME, I SHOULD SAY ONLY THE TOP TEN ROOM NIGHT GENERATORS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR AWARDS.

IF IT'S A LIMITED TIME EVENT, THEY ONLY HAVE A FEW DAYS AND THEY AREN'T IN THE TOP TEN.

AS FAR AS THE ROOM NIGHTS THEY GENERATED THE YEAR BEFORE, THEY'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO TO RECEIVE AN AWARD THAT'S MEASURED BY THE ROOM NIGHTS THE YEAR BEFORE.

THE YEAR BEFORE, YES.

SO IF THE 10TH RANKED EVENT HAD 50 ROOM NIGHTS AND THE 11TH RANKED EVENT HAD 35, THE ROOM, THE EVENT WITH 35 ROOM NIGHTS WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A HOT FUNDS AWARD.

AND AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO TRY TO PUT IN SOME LIMITING FACTORS IN THERE TO REALLY AWARD THOSE GROUPS THAT PRODUCE THE ROOM NIGHTS.

AND SO THE NEXT GROUP WOULD BE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

NOW WE DO RECOGNIZE THE VALUE OF THAT.

OUR PERFORMING ARTS GROUPS THAT ARE CULTURAL ARTS GROUPS, VISUAL ARTS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS YEAR ROUND.

THEY'RE IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE HAVING MULTIPLE EVENTS, MULTIPLE FUNDRAISERS, AND THAT'S VERY VALUABLE TO US AS TRYING TO MARKET VICTORIA AS A TOURISM DESTINATION.

A LITTLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GROUP THAN GROUP ONE, AGAIN, 30% OF THAT AVAILABLE FUNDING, SO SAY 135,000 WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE.

SOME CHANGES. THEY MUST BE A REGISTERED NONPROFIT.

THEY MUST BE AN ORGANIZATION WHOSE PRIMARY GOAL IS TO ADVANCE THE ARTS OR HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROMOTION.

SO IT CAN'T BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT THEIR PRIMARY GOAL, THEIR YEAR ROUND GOAL IS NOT REALLY TO ADVANCE ARTS AND CULTURE.

THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE APPLYING FOR HOT FUNDS AND THEY'RE USING THE MONEY TO PAY FOR A MUSICAL ARTIST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S THAT THIS ORGANIZATION IN AND OF THEMSELVES IS AN ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORGANIZATION.

THEY MUST HAVE A MINIMUM OF TWO EVENTS OR EXHIBITS OR OPERATE ON A CONTINUAL BASIS.

THEY MUST BE ABLE TO PROVE ROOM NIGHTS FOR THE MOST RECENT SEASON.

BUT THERE'S NO MINIMUM, THERE'S NO RANKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

THESE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAT I'M MENTIONING, THAT'S THE LIMITING FACTOR THAT IT MUST BE A NONPROFIT, THAT THEY MUST HAVE A MINIMUM OF SEVERAL EVENTS.

AND THEN LIKE WITH GROUP ONE, THE 50% IS EVENLY DISTRIBUTED BETWEEN ELIGIBLE APPLICANTS AND THEN THE 50% IS DISTRIBUTED BY THE PERCENTAGE SHARE OF ROOM NIGHTS. I'M SORRY I HIT THAT WRONG ONE AGAIN.

AND THEN ADVANTAGES OF THAT APPLIES THE LIMITS IN BOTH METHODS.

THE GROUP ONE AND GROUP TWO TO THE AMOUNT OF APPLICANTS AND THE AWARDEES.

THE AUTHORITIES HAVE TO HAVE PROVEN HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS.

BUT THIS METHOD ALSO STILL HELPS FUND THE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION GROUPS, WHICH HISTORICALLY HAVE HAD FEWER ROOM NIGHTS BUT ARE A YEAR ROUND BASIS, DAY IN AND DAY OUT.

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SO SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT CITY STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED.

ANY EVENT THAT'S PART OF A CITY ORGANIZED MULTI-SPORT EVENT LIKE THE WINTER GAMES IS INELIGIBLE TO APPLY BECAUSE THE CITY IS ALREADY EXPENDING HOT FUNDS TO BRING IN TA'IF.

AND IF YOU'RE A TOURNAMENT ORGANIZER, SAY YOU'RE PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT ORGANIZER FOR TAFT, YOU'RE GETTING THAT MARKETING BOOST FROM THE CITY PROMOTING TAFT.

WE'RE ALREADY SPENDING HOT FUNDS TO BRING IT IN HERE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO ENGENDER JEALOUSY BETWEEN ONE TAFT TOURNAMENT ORGANIZER THAT GOT HOT FUNDS VERSUS ANOTHER ONE THAT DIDN'T. THAT'S A CITY STAFF RECOMMENDED CHANGE AS WELL AS A SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDED CHANGE IS AT ROOM NIGHT.

TRACKING INFORMATION, SURVEYS AND QUESTIONNAIRES CAN'T BE OBTAINED EARLIER THAN THE DATE OF THE EVENT.

CURRENTLY, WE DO ACCEPT DOCUMENTATION THAT WHEN PEOPLE SAY THEY BUY A TICKET FOR AN EVENT, THERE'S A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT SAYS, HEY, ARE YOU STAYING IN A HOTEL ROOM? THEY'LL SELECT, YES, THE AWARDEE CAN TURN THAT IN AND PROVE THAT AS ROOM NIGHT DOCUMENTATION.

WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING, THOUGH, IS YOU THINK ABOUT IT, SOMEBODY COULD BE BUYING THE TICKET FOUR MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE STAYING IN A HOTEL ROOM.

THEY COME TO VICTORIA AND THEY DON'T STAY IN A HOTEL ROOM.

THEY DRIVE BACK THAT NIGHT OR THEY STAY WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

SO THIS WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE TO CAPTURE THAT INFORMATION EITHER AFTER THE EVENT OR HAVE A ON SITE SURVEY, IF SOMEBODY COMING INTO THAT VENUE, THEY BOUGHT A TICKET AND YOU SAID, HEY, ARE YOU STAYING IN A ROOM NIGHT? THEY'RE MORE LIKELY IF THEY'RE IF THEY'RE IN VICTORIA THAT NIGHT, THEY PROBABLY HAVE RESERVED A ROOM.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANTED TO SEE.

AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE GROUP.

AGAIN, IT IS UP TO COUNCIL AS FAR AS THE PERCENTAGES AND HOW WE DISTRIBUTE THOSE FUNDS.

AND I'M WELCOME TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK NOW ON THE THE STRUCTURE CHANGES THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING.

LOOK AT GROUP ONE AGAIN.

SURE. SO IF YOU FALL INTO GROUP TWO, YOU COULD ALSO FALL INTO GROUP ONE.

THE IDEA IS FOR THERE NOT BE DUPLICATION, RIGHT? NO DOUBLE DIPPING. THAT WAS PART OF.

SO IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL FOR THOSE THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO APPLY FOR GROUP TWO TO DO SO BECAUSE THE GROUP ONE IS REALLY GEARED MORE TOWARDS THOSE SPORTING EVENTS, THOSE GROUPS THAT ARE THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING TO PRODUCE MORE ROOM NIGHTS THAN AND THEY'RE OPERATING.

I SAID ON HERE FOR TWO DAYS, THREE DAYS VERSUS THAT GROUP TWO THAT'S GOT MULTIPLE EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

BUT THEY'RE HISTORICALLY THEIR ROOM NIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE LOWER.

SO THE APPLICANT PICKS WHICH GROUP THEY'RE APPLYING TO IF IF, IF, IF IT'S IF IT'S APPROPRIATE.

YES. WILL YOU BE PROVIDING THEM THEN WITH.

HERE'S THE.

HERE'S THE LIST OF.

NIGHT GENERATORS.

AND HERE'S THE TOP 20.

SO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU FALL.

AND THEY TELL YOU GROUP ONE OR GROUP TWO THAT I'LL BE I'LL BE APPLYING FOR THAT ONE UNTIL AND AS AN HISTORICAL DATA IN SAYING THAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE AT A WORKSHOP THAT WE WOULD SHOW LIKE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST AND SAY OKAY HERE'S WHAT IT'S BEEN IN THE PAST.

AND IF YOU THINK BECAUSE IF I WAS SITTING THERE AS A TREASURER OF A NONPROFIT, I'D BE LOOKING AT, OKAY, WE FALL ON THE TOP TEN TONIGHT.

WE WERE NUMBER THREE ON THE LIST.

THERE'S GOING TO BE 70% OF THIS AMOUNT AVAILABLE WE'RE GOING TO GET.

YOU KNOW. A CERTAIN PORTION OF THAT.

AND THEN WE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, TOP.

PERCENTAGE PEOPLE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS MUCH MONEY FOR THAT.

BUT IF I WENT TO THE OTHER ONE, THERE'S ONLY 30% OF AVAILABLE FUNDING AND IT'S GOING TO BE SPLIT THIS WAY.

SO I'M GOING TO COME COME OUT BETTER OFF IN GROUP ONE.

THAT'S WHY I'M GOING FOR WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AS STAFF JESUS, I SUPPOSE.

AND IF WE WANT TO DO THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WITH THE APPLICANT OR WE WANT TO DO THAT PUBLICLY OUT AT THE WORKSHOP IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY, HE HAD DETERMINATION THAT EACH ONE'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEMSELVES.

TO SEE WHICH HOW IT COMES OUT. I MEAN, I THINK WE SHOULD RUN A SCENARIO.

OURSELVES TO KNOW HOW IT COMES OUT.

YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S.

THAT'S NOT HOW I UNDERSTOOD IT.

IF YOU GO TO GROUP TWO.

WE DID THINK OF THE NO DOUBLE DIPPING SCENARIO.

I UNDERSTOOD IT AND MAYBE I WAS WRONG, BUT I UNDERSTOOD IT AS THE GROUP TOO.

WITH THESE ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORGANIZATIONS, THEY WOULD ONLY QUALIFY FOR GROUP TWO.

RIGHT. WE WOULDN'T GIVE HIM THE OPTION.

IT'D BE LIKE, YOU'RE THIS GROUP.

THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR.

RIGHT. LIKE, WE ARE PREDETERMINING IN A WAY THAT SPECIFIC NONPROFITS FALL WITHIN GROUP TWO.

BUT WHAT IF THEY COME OUT AND SAY, BUT IF I WAS IN GROUP ONE, I'D GET MORE MONEY? RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THAT ARGUMENT, BUT I THINK THE INTENTION WAS TO INTENTIONALLY HAVE MOST OF THE MONEY, 70% IN THIS CASE, WHICH THAT PERCENTAGE CAN CHANGE, GEARED MORE TOWARDS THE EVENTS THAT JOEL WAS TALKING ABOUT.

[02:35:07]

I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, JUST READING THROUGH IT, RIGHT.

NON PROFIT OR PROFIT DOESN'T MATTER.

AND THAT'S TRUE. AND NOW WE COULD HAVE THOSE CONSULTATIONS WITH THOSE GROUPS AND SAY, YOU COULD DO GROUP ONE, BUT YOU YOU'RE BASED ON YOUR HISTORIC NUMBERS.

YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE OUT OF THE TOP TEN AND THEN YOU GET NO MONEY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO KNOW.

YEAH, RIGHT, EXACTLY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY TELL THEM.

WELL, WE NEED TO DECIDE, THOUGH, IS IF WE WANT TO PREDETERMINE THAT SPECIFIC NON PROFITS IN THIS CASE, ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORIENTED NON PROFITS ARE ONLY PART OF GROUP TWO.

OR IF WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE CHOICE BETWEEN GROUP TWO AND GROUP ONE, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTOOD THE INTENTION OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS FOR THESE NON PROFITS TO ONLY QUALIFY FOR GROUP TWO, NOT GROUP ONE WAS THE WAY THAT I THOUGHT AND THAT'S THE WAY I HAD ENVISIONED IT AS WELL.

AND THE GROUP IS THAT MAYBE WE'RE JUST NOT STRUCTURING IT OR COMMUNICATING IT THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION.

SO I HAVE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF COMPARING THE VICTORIA SYMPHONY TO THE VICTORIA BACH FESTIVAL.

IS THE BACH FESTIVAL CONSIDERED ONE EVENT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MULTIPLE CONCERTS? AND NO, THEY DO HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THEY HOST AS WELL. THEY ALSO DO HOST A FERRARI.

THAT'S RIGHT. AT CHRISTMAS. OKAY.

YES. SO ALL OF OUR ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION GROUPS, THEY DO HAVE AT LEAST TWO EVENTS.

YES. I WAS SEEING THAT THEY WOULD ONLY QUALIFY TO BE IN GROUP ONE.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. WELL, I HAD THE OPPOSITE QUESTION.

SO TAKE TAKE THE SYMPHONY OR TAKE THE THEATER.

AND WOULD THEY PUT ON MULTIPLE EVENTS? DO THEY GET A CUMULATIVE VERSUS COMPARING IT TO A ONE TIME EVENT WHICH IS LARGER IN SCALE, WHICH BRINGS IN SO MANY? BUT WHEN YOU HAVE 10 OR 12 EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, DO THEY GET TO COMBINE THAT AND COMPETE AGAINST THE SINGULAR EVENT? NO, THEY DON'T GET TO HAVE MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS FOR SAYING THEIR SEASONS.

YES, THEY'RE COMPARING THEIR SEASON VERSUS A SINGULAR.

SO SO CURRENTLY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S.

YEAH. SO CURRENTLY AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, JOE, BUT CURRENTLY THESE ORGANIZATIONS APPLY FOR AN EVENT.

OR FOR A WEEKEND? WELL, YES. SO.

SO THE SPORTS EVENTS, FOR INSTANCE, APPLY FOR AN EVENT, RIGHT? THE ARTS ORGANIZATIONS TYPICALLY APPLY FOR A SEASON FOR THE MOST PART.

NOW, THERE'S A THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

VICTORIA BALLET THEATER USUALLY JUST APPLIES FOR THE NUTCRACKER, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.

WE CAN SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS, SO YOU WOULD TRANSITION TO THIS MODEL OR YOU WOULD BE APPLYING FOR YOUR SEASON LIKE THE SYMPHONY ALREADY DOES AND LIKE THEATER VICTORIA ALREADY DOES. AND SO THAT'S HOW WE AND EVEN WITH ALL THOSE AGGREGATE OF EVENTS THERE, HOTEL ROOM NIGHTS ARE STILL TYPICALLY NOT WHERE SOME OF THESE SPORTS EVENTS ARE GETTING.

IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE PROGRAMING.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO TO WHAT THE REALITIES ARE.

EVEN WHEN THE HOTEL ROOMS ARE CUMULATIVE.

YES. IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF THE REALITY OF THE EVENTS AND HOW THEY TURN OUT.

HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE BECOMES VERY VALUABLE.

ABSOLUTELY. IN COMPARISON, I HAVE NO IDEA.

I MEAN, BUT LET'S HEY, ZEUS MENTIONED WE COULD WE COULD GIVE THEM THAT.

WE CAN GIVE THEM THAT HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE AS A JUSTIFICATION OF WHY WE'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE IN THIS INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM THE OPTION.

WE JUST SAY YOU HAVE TO BE IN THIS.

AND HERE'S WHY. BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO HELP YOU.

WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT.

YES. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TELLING YOU.

YOU NEED TO BE IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S FOR YOUR BENEFIT.

YEAH, IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S WORTH A TRY.

CERTAINLY WE'VE LEARNED A LOT OVER THE YEARS AND IT SEEMS TO BE REFINING IT.

BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT COUNCIL IT'S NOTHING TO VOTE ON TONIGHT.

IF THERE WANTS TO BE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PERCENTAGES, I'VE GOT ALL KIND OF CALCULATIONS I'VE WORKED UP, BUT WE DID WANT TO PUBLICLY PRESENT THIS AT LEAST A GENERAL IDEA OF THE APPROACH AND THEN THE INTRICACIES LIKE THE PERCENTAGES.

AND THAT STUFF CAN STILL BE DISCUSSED IN THE INTERIM.

OKAY. BUT ISN'T IT THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT ULTIMATELY DECIDES WHO'S GOING TO GET WHAT AND WE JUST VOTE ON IT? NO, Y'ALL ULTIMATELY DECIDE.

THE SUBCOMMITTEE CAN RECOMMENDS AND THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT THEY HAVE NO DECISION MAKING POWER.

THEY'LL THEY'LL SIT IN THE WORKSHOPS WITH ME.

WE'LL LOOK THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS, WE'LL DO THE SCORING, WE'LL BRING YOU ALL THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNTS.

AND IF YOU ALL WANTED TO UP HERE, YOU COULD SAY, I DON'T LIKE THAT.

LET'S GIVE $2,000 MORE TO THAT ONE THAN THAT.

AND THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S Y'ALL'S POWER.

THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS NO VOTING POWER, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION COMES FROM THEM.

THE RECOMMENDATION DOES COME FROM GIVEN RECOMMENDATION.

YES. REMEMBER, YOU HAVE TO SPEND 23, YOU KNOW, LOBBYING EFFORT.

YES. YES. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS THE OBJECT OF THE OF HAVING THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS THAT THEY WOULD DO ALL THE DO THE WORK AND CALCULATE IT.

BUT AGAIN, THE POWER IS WITH YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

YEAH. WE JUST DO THE I MEAN, THEY DO THE RECOMMENDATION AND WE JUST VOTE TO APPROVE.

[02:40:01]

I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY TO GO.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE GOING TO BE THOSE LITTLE QUESTIONS.

SURE. LIKE THAT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH, ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

AND WE DEFINITELY NEED TO FINE TUNE SOME OF THIS VERBIAGE.

YOU YOU ALL HAVE BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.

YOU KNOW, SOME GOOD SOME GOOD POINTS TO DO THAT.

AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THAT FINISHES.

THE CITY MANAGER REPORTS.

WHETHER IT BE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[H. Executive Sessions:]

ALL RIGHT, SO AT THIS TIME, WE WILL ADJOURN TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE DO NOT PLAN ON RETURNING FOR ANY VOTES.

AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS TO THE COUNCIL RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THE 20TH DAY OF JUNE 2023 AT 7:41 P.M. AND THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS PURSUANT TO TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 551.087551.072 AND 551.071.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.