Jan 17, 2023 City Council

[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR

TUESDAY, GENERALLY 17, 2023. >> YES SIR. COUNCILMEMBER DUAN CROCKER? HERE. JAN SCOTT? YEAR. -- AND -- CHECK EVERYBODY, THESE RAISE FOR THE PLEDGES.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDE GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AN JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

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[1. Announcements/Reminders:]

[2. Public & Employee Recognitions:]

THIS EVENING'S ANNOUNCEMENTS. >> THANK YOU. THE RECOGNITION IT IS DUE. TRUCK ABSOLUTELY. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, THIS WEEKEND WAS A VERY BUSY WEEKEND, SPECIFICALLY FOR UTILITY CREWS DEALING WITH A 20 INCH WATER MAIN BREAK. IF YOU CAN POP UP THE PICTURES REAL QUICK, AS REFRESHER BY NOW, YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE DID HAVE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BREAK IN A 20 INCH MAIN SATURDAY EVENING AT ROUGHL 7:00 P.M. AT THE INTERSECTION OF -- AN AIRLINE. THE CRUISE HAD THE BRAKE ISOLATED AND MAY WERE BEGINNING TO DIG IT UP. BY 9:00 P.M., CREWS HAD FOUND A WAY TO GET WATER OFF PRESSURE PLANE. A LOT OF RESIDENTS SAW DECREASE WITH IN THAT TIME BETWEEN 7:00 AND 9:00 P.M. KUDO TO SCOTT ADDRESSING THAT IN THAT QUICK MANNER. CREWS WORKE OVERNIGHT, 20 HOURS , TO GET THIS BREAK FIXED. BY NOW, YOU ALSO AWARE THAT WE HAD TO ISSU THE WATER NOTICE THAT EVENING.

EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE WATER PRESSURE RESOLVED VERY QUICKLY, IT DID DROP BELOW THE THRESHOLD OF 20 PSI, WHICH IS THE THRESHOLD THAT IS IN PLACE AND REQUIRES THE LOW WATER NOTICE. WE DID LOSE MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER. W DID DEPLETE WATER TOWER AND ALSO, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT TYPICALLY LEADS TO A LOW-WATER NOTICE AS WELL. AND SO WE OBVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THE STAFF WORKED VERY HARD TO COLLECT THE SAMPLES ON SUNDAY AND WE WERE ABLE TO END THE LOW-WATER NOTICE BY SUNDAY AT ROUGHLY 3:00 P.M. THING, THA WAS ALSO ON TIME THAT THE P■IPE AND EVERYTHING WAS FIXED AND THERE WAS A LEAGUE THAT -- I'M SORRY. WE ADDED THE LOW-WATER

-- >> I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THIN THEY WERE BOILING WATER LONGER THAN I HAD TO.

>> I STILL HAVEN'T -- JUST GETTING. REGARDLESS, CREWS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. THERE WAS A LEAGUE THAT REMAIN AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ASKED TODAY. WE WANTE TO VERY SPECIFICALLY COLLECT AL THE PERSONNEL INVOLVED BY NAME. AUSTIN ANDERSON, DISTRIBUTION AND COLLECTION MANAGER, SANTOS -- WATER JUST A VISION SUPERVISOR, EDDIE GARZA -- UTILITY CREW LEADERS. JOSHUA BLACKMON -- OUR UTILITY MAINTENANCE WORKERS FOR JEFFREY -- LINE LOCATOR. -- THE TREATMENT WATER SERVICE VIPER

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>> THAT. THE BUSINESS ON MY WAY HERE, I HAD TO STOP AND VISIT ON SOMETHING ELSE. I WAS TALKIN TO HIM ABOUT THE WATER LEAGUE .

HE SAID THE PRESSURE WENT DOWN. HE WANTED TO GO TO HIS BUSINES TO SEE IF HE HAD A LEAGUE AND THEN IT WAS SOLVED AGAIN. HE DIDN'T REALLY THINK ANY MORE OF IT. AND I KNOW IT WAS VERY MAJOR FOR US, BUT THEY GOT THE PRESSURE BACK SO QUICKLY THAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW FELT LIKE, OH, TRULY, KUDOS .

>> YEAH, ANYTIME YOU CAN MAKE THAT 20 INCH MAINLINE LOOK LIK

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>> A GREAT JOB BY THE ENTIRE TEAM. EVERYBODY ELSE ON HERE, GREAT JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT COMPLIMENTS FROM RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. IT SHOWS WHAT TYPE OF FIRST-CLASS OPERATION YOU ARE RUNNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> YES MA'AM?

>> I LIVE IN THE AREA SIX YEARS THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE HAVE HAD A BREAK. I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE FRONT FOR THOSE WATER TANKS. LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, THAT WATER LINE, THE PIPE, THE OLD TYPE. HOW MUCH DO WE STILL HAVE RIGHT THERE IN THE AIRLINE

>> KEN, DO YOU KNOW? >> I JUST DON'T WANT ANOTHER

BREAK HERE . >> SURE.

>> WE ARE GOING TO COME AT SOM POINT, WE WILL PRESENT KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE GO FORWARD. SOME THING THAT WE LEARNED. THAT IS ONE OF THEM. WE HAVE ALREADY GOT THE MAP PUT TOGETHER SHOWING ALL OF THE CAST IRON MINES, 12 INCHES AND ABOVE. I CAN SHARE THAT WHE WE GET IT CLEANED UP, BUT WE HAVE GOT THAT BACK TOGETHER. THERE IS QUITE A BIT LEFT

>> OKAY. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE CREWS. I DID STOP AND TALKED TO SOME OF THE GUYS THERE. I TOLD THEM HOW THANKFUL WE WERE THAT THEY WERE OUT THERE WORKING 24/7. SO

THANK YOU AGAIN. >> YEAH, COUPLE DAYS BEFORE THAT, I TOLD RAFAEL DE LA GARZ THIS. THERE WAS A BREAK IN A FIRE HYDRANT LINE. AND THE CREWS WERE VERY RESPONSIVE AND THEY WERE ONLY DOWN FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE HOURS . SIX HOURS, MAYBE. TO REPAIR THAT ENTIRE LINE AND GET EVERYBODY BACK UP THEY GAVE A GOOD ESTIMATE AND THE BEAT IT. VERY IMPRESSED.

>> GIVING KUDOS TO THE CITY , THIS ONE ON THE POWER OUTAGE I THINK LAST WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. IT AFFECTED THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN. AND I CALLED MR. RAFAEL DE LA GARZA'S OFFICE, BECAUSE I DID NOWHERE ELSE TO CALL. THERE REALLY KNEW ABOUT IT, BUT I MENTIONED THE INTERSECTION AT AIRLINE AND STOCK POWER, THE LIGHTS WERE OUT. WITHIN 10 MINUTES, THERE WERE STOP SIGNS OUT THERE. SO I MEAN, THEY WER VERY RESPONSIVE AND I APPRECIAT THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT AT THAT INTERSECTIO AS WELL. BUT YOU KNOW, THEY GO OUT THERE AND DID WHAT WAS

NEEDED. >> EXCELLENT. ANY OTHER ITEMS?

[3. Items from Council:]

BRING UP? >> ONE OTHER KUDO FOR THIS WEEKEND . WITH THE WATER, WE HAD THE TEXAS AMATEUR ATHLETE FEDERATION . I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS CALLED, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF FU AND A LOT OF GOOD ACTIVITY IN TOWN. SO I WANT TO THANK WHOEVE IT WAS AND INVITED ME. SOMEBOD WITH THE CITY. I FELT KIND OF OBLIGATED TO SEE WHAT IT WAS AL

ABOUT. IT WAS GREAT. >> YEAH, IF ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC HASN'T GONE TO SEE IT, I IS FUN TO WATCH. MORE PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO COMPETE AT DIFFERENT EVENTS. THE WHEELCHAI BASKETBALL IS REALLY FUN TO WATCH. I WATCHED SOME PICKLE BALL THIS WEEKEND. I LEARNED THAT I DON'T WANT TO ENTER ANY

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TOURNAMENTS. >>

>> ANYWAY, IT WAS A GREAT DEAL. THERE ARE TWO MORE WEEKENDS COMING UP. ONE IN FEBRUARY AND ONE IN MARCH, SO BE ON THE

[4. Citizen Communication:]

LOOKOUT FOR THOSE TO COME UP. >> OKAY. IF THERE IS NO ONE ELS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WILL GO INTO CITIZEN COMMUNICATION AND HAVE BENJAMIN LOPEZ FIRST.

>> COUNCILMAN, IT WAS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU GUYS AT -- WE DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO EVEN QUALIFY FOR AN APPLICATION LIFE GOES ON. AND IN DECEMBER MY GRANDMOTHER FINALLY DIED IN CALIFORNIA. MY MOM HAD TO GO U THERE AND TAKE CARE OF SOME BUSINESS. I HAD TO -- THE FLOWER SHOP TO THE HOUSE NOW. S I HAVE GOT SOME SHOES TO FILL. AND THE REASON I AM HERE IS BECAUSE JANUARY 4TH , -- PASSED AWAY. FROM THE 2017 FOOD FEST.

THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL, TO ME. WE WALKED EVERYWHERE. SHE WAS ALWAYS THERE WITH ME. -- THE GABLES PROJECT. THEIR DONATION CENTER. I KNOW WE CAN VERY OUR DOGS IN THE BACKYARD. I TOOK HE AND PUT HER IN THAT BE IN SO SH COULD GUARD ME EVERY TIME I WALK INTO THAT OFFICE. EVERY TIME I WALK OUT, I THANK HER FO BEING THERE. I SAID AT THE BUS STOP. LOSING THAT APARTMENT, IT CRUSHED MY LIFE BUT IT DIDN'T CRUSH ME BECAUSE I AM EXCITED STILL LIVE AT MY MOMS HOUSE. SH DOES HER THING AND I DO MY THING. THE LADY OF THE LORD. WANT TO WISH YOU ALL A BLESSED NEW YEAR. THIS IS THE MOST WELL-DRESSED I'VE EVER BEEN HERE. I'M USUALLY COMING FROM THE PARKS OF THE STREETS IN THI TIME, I CAME FROM HOME. IT FEEL GOOD TO CALL VICTORIA HOME AGAIN. I HAVEN'T HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO CALL HOME . BOUNCING AGAIN FOR SIX MONTHS, IT FEELS GOOD TO -- THE THINGS THAT A LOT OF US TAKE FOR GRANTED. I'M STILL LIVING ON MY $10 A DAY AN -- YOU KNOW, JOE'S PIZZA PLACE I FOUND OUT IT HAS A BIG $10 LUNCH SPECIAL. IF I GIVE BACK T MY COMMUNITY, AND I CONTINUE WITH THE -- PROJECT. NO, I AM O SUSPENSION BECAUSE -- TAKE SOM TIME OFF TO HEAL. I THINK I AM FINE. THEY THINK I NEED SOME TIME. THEY THINK I NEED A MEDICATION CHANGE. NO, I JUST NEED TO KEEP PRAYING AND KEEP COMING TO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND SEEING ON TV. KEEP DOING MY PROJECT IN ADORATION. MAINTAIN MYSELF AND GO OUT AT NIGHT. I'M 52 YEARS OLD. I AM NOT 25 YEARS OLD. I'M LOOKING FOR A GAME OF POOL, A SODA. THE NEW DUTCH LENGTH HAS O■PENED P THE NEW -- DUTCH LANES, THE NAME OF SOMETHING PRETTY NEGATIVE OVER THERE. SO BEING AROUND LOCAL PEOPLE THAT LEARN THE HISTORY OF BEING PART OF THEM, IT IS TH GREATEST THING . THAT WAS MY CHRISTMAS PRESENT . MY CHRISTMA PRESENT WAS BEING IN VICTORIA . NOT IN CALIFORNIA HAVING TO DEA WITH THE DRAMA AND REEF OF THE FAMILY LOSING 86 GRANDKIDS FOR THE NYMEX WON'T BE SAFER MY MIND. I WOULD'VE SAID SOMETHING THE WRONG WAY TO THE WRONG PERSON AT THE WRONG TIME. I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT, SO I STAYED AWAY AND I GAVE -- VICTORIA STILL HAD THINGS FOR M TO DO. SO GOD BLESS YOU GUYS.

-- SAYS GOODBYE FOR THE LAST TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MR. LOPEZ. JESSE PEREZ.

>> HELLO, EVERYBODY. HAPPY NEW YEAR . MY NAME IS JESSE PEREZ.

O'CONNOR RANCH. I WAS RAISED A A COWBOY, IS A RANCHER. WHEN I CAME TO TEXAS IN 1972, I NOTICE THERE WAS A LOT OF SPANISH GIRLS. I COME FROM -- THERE WERE NOT THAT MANY GIRLS. BUT ANYWAY, I JOINED THE ARMY. -- 29. I DIDN'T KNOW THE LORD. I HEARD ABOUT HIM. AND THEN I CAME OUT OF THE ARMY, AND GOT MARRIED, YOU KNOW? BUT ANYWAY, I REPEATED -- I BELIEVE RIGHTEOUSNESS EXALTS OUR NATION RIGHTEOUSNESS IS DOING THE RIGH THINGS , WALKING IN ETERNITY. AND I CHOSE TO WALK IN ETERNITY I BELIEVE -- ENCOURAGEMENT TO THE YOUNG MEN AND GIVE THEM HOPE. TELLING THEM THE RIGHT WA TO GO. I AM JUST NOW GOING TO

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AND I WANT TO, I WANT MY GRANDCHILDREN TO BE RAISED UP THE RIGHT WAY. I'M GOING TO BE 69 YEARS OLD PRETTY SOON. I WAN MY CHILDREN TO LEARN THE RIGHT WAY, YOU KNOW? AND SO, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE PEOPLE T HELP -- I WANT TO HELP HER AND HER GROUP COME AGAINST THE CORRUPT BOOKS THEY HAVE AT THE LIBRARY, YOU KNOW? AND WE NEED TO COME AGAINST THAT AND STOP THAT, YOU KNOW? AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD THINGS . I BELIEVE ALL POWER IS IN GOD. ALL POWER IS I GOD. AND I PRAY THAT THE PEOPLE HERE TO DO GOOD, THAT THEY DO GOOD. IF NOT, THE POLICE IS GOING TO GET THEM, THE LAWS GOING TO GET THEM. THANK YOU, OKAY?

>> THANK YOU, MR. PEREZ. JIM HESTER?

>> HELLO, AGAIN. LAST TIME I WAS HERE, I MENTIONED ABOUT TH GOVERNOR OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PAXTON AND WHAT HE WA ASKED BY SOMEONE TO PUT DOWN TH DETAILS OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING IN THEIR PROGRAMS AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

BASICALLY, IT BOILED DOWN TO THIS. WHETHER YOU ARE A PARENT OR WHETHER YOU ARE A NEIGHBOR OR YOU ARE A TEACHER OR WHATEVER, IF YOU DO SOMETHING THAT CAUSES THE YOUNGER PERSON TO BE HARMED, YOU BASICALLY HAV A PROBLEM . THE HARM CAN BE CHEMICAL PROBLEMS. IT COULD BE PHYSICAL CHANGES, WHATEVER. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. BASICALLY, THEY ARE ILLEGAL. I HAD NOT HEARD ABOUT THAT. I GUESS HE CAME OUT WITH THAT STATEMENT IN RESPONSE TO LEGISLATOR ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COMMUNICATION HAPPENED OR CAME OUT, BUT I THOUGHT. MY QUESTIO NOW IS BASICALLY THIS. I WAS TECHNICAL ADVISER, BASICALLY , IN SINGAPORE. I PLANNED AND ONTARIO , ENGLAND, ORANGE , TEXAS OF ALL PLACES, AND NOW IN VICTORIA. BASICALLY, EVERY ONE OF THEM HAD GOVERNMENT OVERSIGH THAT LOOKED AT THEM AND SAID HO ARE YOU MANAGING YOUR SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT? AND I WOULD BE PART OF THOSE MEETINGS AND TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE WERE DOING AND WHAT WE WOULD DO TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. MY QUESTION TO YOU , AND THE E QUESTION IS NOT JUST TO THE LIBRARIANS. WHEN SOMETHING LIK WHAT PAXTON WROTE COMES OUT, HO DO YOU BASICALLY REPLY TO THAT IN TERMS OF TEACHING PEOPLE? HAVING CLASSES TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE LEGAL REPRESENTATION I SAYING IS HAPPENING NOW. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO? I WANT TO FIND OUT THAT SOME TEACHER OR SOME LIBRARIAN OR EVEN MY NEIGHBOR HAD BASICALLY DONE SOMETHING T CAUSE A KID TO BE HARMED. IT TURNED OUT HE CLAIMS HE JUST DIDN'T KNOW THOSE LAWS AND THOSE REGULATIONS . I DON'T KNO WHAT YOU GUYS DO, BUT I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE PAXTON COMES UP THIS DOCUMENT COMES OUT, THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THA WITHIN THE CITY OF VICTORIA TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE IS ACCIDENTALLY DOING SOMETHING TO HARM A KID AND FALL IN A PROBLEM. IT DOES APPLY TO OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT. I HOPE YOU GUYS DO THAT. I DON' KNOW IF IT IS ONCE A YEAR RENEWAL OF EXPLAINING TO PEOPLE, HERE ARE THE RECENT LAWS. VICTORIA IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST AS GOOD AS THOSE LAWS ARE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU . CASEY HARRIS?

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BAUKNIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I LIVE IN VICTORIA WITH MY HUSBAN AND MY THREE CHILDREN. WE WATCHED THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ONLINE AND IT IS OBVIOU YOU GUYS HAVING THOUGHTFUL AND YOU WANT TO GET THE JUVENILE

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LET'S GIVE THEM OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE HEALTHY, MORE HEALTHY, BOTH PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY. SORRY. BACK TO THE POLICY. THI THE DECLINING WHAT HAPPENS TO LYONS INAPPROPRIATE BOOKS WAS DELETED. WHY? WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE BOOKS WITH SEXUAL CONTEN THAT IS ALREADY IN THE JUVENILE SECTION? WIDE AND INCLUDE THE CLEAR DIRECTIVE TO MOVE THEM TO ADULT CELLS? WASN'T THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF ALL THESE UP DATES? FINALLY, THE ONLY OPTION LEFT FOR CONCERNED CITIZENS IS TO PUT IN RE-EVALUATION REQUEST , BUT NOW THERE IS A WAITING PERIOD OF TWO YEARS IF THERE AR MULTIPLE REQUESTS TRY TO SUM IT UP. THE FINAL RESULT OF THESE CHANGES ARE ONE, ANYTHING CAN B PURCHASED FOR JUVENILES UNDER THE PULL OF A CLOSET. TWO. THE CURRENT APPROPRIATE BOOKS DO NO HAVE TO BE MOVED TO THE ADULT SECTION. AND THREE, CITIZENS HAVE TO WAIT LONGER AND LONGER TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS. THAN

YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. HOLLY FISK?

>> GOOD EVENING , CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. DURING THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LIBRARY. IT SEEMS THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT VIEWPOINTS. ONE SIDE I TRYING TO ELIMINATE OR HIDE ANY BOOK THAT DOES NOT MEET THEIR CRITERIA. THEIR CRITERIA SEEMS TO BE CONFUSING, AT LEAST TO THOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE, LIKE ME. WE ALL AGREE THAT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF SPREADING PORNOGRAPHY. WHERE WE DISAGREE IS ON OUR DEFIFINITION OF AN OR FEE. THOSE WHO WISH TO ELIMINATE OR HIDE CERTAIN BOOKS CONFUSE THE ISSUE WHEN MANY OF THE BOOKS THEY FOUND DEDUCTIBLE REFERRED TO LGBTQ+ OR RACIAL THEMES. NOTHING HERE AND USING TERMS LIKE ROAMING. TO ME, THAT IS A CLUE OF WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS TRULY ARE. WE ALSO HEAR FREQUENT BIBLICAL QUOTATIONS. I WILL NOT PRETEND THAT I AM AN EXPERT ON THE BIBLE. I DON'T HAVE TO BE. THE LIBRARY IS A PUBLIC INSTITUTION IT IS NOT A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION. THE LIBRARY SERVE ALL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. NO JUST THOSE WHO ATTEND A CERTAIN CHURCH. I MAINTAIN THAT IS THE DUTY OF PARENTS TO PROVIDE THEIR CHILDREN THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO FUNCTION IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. TOOLS LIKE TRUST, HONESTY, AND RESPECT FOR OTHERS CHILDREN WHO ARE OUT IN THE WORLD WILL MEET ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE. MOST LIKELY, THEY KNOW CHILDREN OF OTHER RACES, CHILDREN WHO COME FROM BROKEN HOMES, CHILDREN WHO HAVE SAME SEX PARENTS, CHILDREN WITH LGBTQ+ FAMILY MEMBERS . WHY SHOULD CHILDREN BE PREVENTED FROM READING ABOUT THESE SAME PEOPLE? THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP OUR COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO ALLOW OUR PROFESSIONAL LIBRARIANS TO DECIDE LIBRARY POLICY. WE SHOULD NOT LEAVE THESE IMPORTANT DECISIONS TO LITURGIS WITHOUT THE TRAINING AND COMPASSION . THEY HAVE A HIDDEN OR NOT SO HIDDEN AGENDA. I SAID EARLIER THAT I WAS NOT AN EXPER ON THE BIBLE. I DO HAVE THIS ONE PHRASE THE KIND OF SUMS THINGS UP FOR YOU. JUST AS I

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HELP OUR COMMUNITY . THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. FISK. BRITT

-- >> GREETINGS, MR. MAYOR BAUKNIGHT AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BRENT AND I LIVE IN VICTORIA COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THE BALE PASSED OUT THREE ITEMS FOR YOU TO REFERENCE . THE BOOK COVER O GEORGE BY ALEX GINO. OPINION NUMBER KP -0401 AND SUMMARY FROM OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL , TIM PAXTON. BULLET POINTS REMOVED FROM THE JUVENILE COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICY. GEORGE , BY ALEX GINO AND THE COVER -- FOR WHAT AGE DO YOU THINK THIS BOOK IS APPROPRIATE? DOES IT LOOK LIKE A PICTURE BOOK FOR A YOUNG CHILD? WOULD YOU EXPECT TO FIND THIS BOOK IN THE SECTIO FOR 8 TO 12-YEAR-OLDS? ACTUALLY, THIS BOOK, GEORGE, IS THE NUMBER ONE MOST CHALLENGED BOOK OF 2018, 2019 , AND 2020 ACCORDING TO THE AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE AN EXCERPT FROM GEORGE, PAGE 51. "SO GEORGE KNEW IT COULD BE DONE . A BOY COULD BECOME A GIRL. SHE HAD SINCE READ ON THE INTERNET THAT YOU COULD TAKE GIRL HORMONES THAT WOULD CHANGE YOUR BODY AND YOU COULD GET A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SURGERIES IF YOU WANTED THEM, AND HAD THE MONEY.

THIS WAS CALLED TRANSITIONING. YOU COULD EVEN START BEFORE YOU WERE 18 WITH PILLS CALLED ANDROGEN BLOCKERS THAT STOPPED THE BOY HORMONES ALREADY INSID YOU FROM TURNING YOUR BODY INTO A MAN. " I DON'T SEND THE PROPOSED JUVENILE COLLECT OF POLICY, TWO BULLET POINTS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE SELECTIO CRITERIA , PART THREE. CONTENT INTRODUCING GENDER DYSPHORIA TO A CHILD, AND CONTENT TELLING THE CHILD TO CONSIDER ELECTIVE PROCEDURES FOR GENDER TRANSITIONING. ADDITIONALLY, UNDER SEVERAL POSITIONS OF THE TEXAS FAMILY CODE, AND CHAPTER 261, QUOTE UNQUOTE, 25 PROCEDURES AND TREATMENTS , WHE PERFORMED ON CHILDREN, CAN LEGALLY CONSTITUTE CHILD ABUSE YOU WILL FIND THIS IN THE SUMMARY PAGES FROM OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL, PAXTON'S OFFICE . THI INCLUDES PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL HARM ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PROCEDURES. MANY UNINTENDED PROCEDURES COME TO THE LIBRARY AFTER SCHOOL TO DO HOMEWORK WHILE THEIR PARENTS ARTWORK. THESE VICTORY OF PARENTS AND CITIZENS RELY TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

HOW MANY OTHER BOOKS IN THE VICTORY LIBRARY WILL STAY ON THE SHELVES OR BE ADDED TO THE FUTURE -- TO A PATH OF WHAT TH STATE OF TEXAS CONSIDERS CHILD ABUSE? WILL OUR COMMITTEE BE HELD LIABLE FOR NOT WAKING UP T THIS RESPONSIBILITY REGARDING THE CHILDREN IN OUR CARE? FREEDOM WITH RESPONSIBILITY IS THE ONLY TRUE FREEDOM. THANK YO FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MR. VAN SICKLE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR BAUKNIGHT, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED CITIZENS ABOUT RE-EVALUATING THE BOOKS IN THE VICTORY LIBRARY CONCERNING OUR CHILDREN AFTER REVIEWING THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, AND SEEING THE PROPOSED JUVENILE COLLECTION DEVELOPMEN POLICY, I WAS DISMAYED TO SEE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WERE NOT MENTIONED. SPECIFICALLY, THE TW BULLET POINTS ABOUT THE CONTEN THAT INTRODUCES GENDER DYSPHORIA ON ELECTIVE PROCEDURES FOR GENDER TRANSITIONING. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, ACCORDING TO TH DIAGNOSTIC AND STATISTICAL MANUAL OF MENTAL DISORDERS, GENDER DYSPHORIA MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. IN MY OPINION,

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I BELIEVE THE BOOKS THAT INTRODUCE A CHILD TO GENDER DYSPHORIA SHOULD BE RELOCATED TO THE ADULT SECTION. IN THE REPORTS I HAVE READ, THEY SAY THAT IF YOU PLANT THE SEED OF TRANSGENDER, PUBERTY BLOCKER, TO 25 CHANGE, WHICH IS GENDER MUTILATION, THE CHILD NOW, BY DEFAULT, BECOMES INQUISITIVE.

THEY LOOK INTO IT AND WILL STAR CONTEMPLATING IT. YOU ARE MOVING SOMETHING THAT CHILDREN DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT TO THE FRONT ROW OF THE BRAIN. THESE BOOKS MAY START IN A BENIGN WAY, AND THEN GROW INTO SOMETHING CANCEROUS. AGAIN, THE CHILD HAS A FORMATIVE MIND. AN NOW THE CHILD IS THINKING THAT THEY MAY BE IN THE WRONG BODY. THAT IS WHAT IS PRESENTED TO THEIR YOUNG MINDS. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, USE COMMON SENSE.

PRESENTING CHILDREN WITH THE BOOKS OF THIS NATURE WILL CAUSE THEIR LITTLE MINDS TO GRASP AN EXPLORE TO THEIR DETRIMENT .

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO PUT THE INNOCENCE OF CHILDREN FIRST IN DECIDING THIS COLLECTION POLICY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME

>> THANK YOU. CATHERINE OLSON? >> GOOD AFTERNOON . GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS . I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY , WHICH MEANS I WIL PROBABLY RUN OUT OF TIME READIN THIS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I WAS RAISED IN A HOME WHERE THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH FOOD THERE IS NOT ENOUGH LOVE, THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH PROTECTION. AND SO CHILDREN TODAY HAVE ENOUGH THINGS TO DEAL WITH WITHOUT AL OF THE CRAZINESS. IT IS REALL SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE EVERY ADULT HERE IS GOING TO ANSWER TO ALMIGHTY GOD OVER. AND WE THINK WE CAN , I HATE THE PHRASE GET AWAY WITH THINGS. BU WE THINK THIS WILL BE OKAY.

NOBODY REALLY SEES -- WE HAVE AN AUDIENCE OF ONE SEES EVERYTHING. AND SO WE JUST NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT SO REASONABLY, WE APPOINTED NEW BOARD MEMBERS AND GAVE THEM A CLEAR DIRECTION. THOSE BOARD MEMBERS WORKED HARD ON OUR BEHALF, AND VICTORIA'S BEHALF. THEY DISCUSSED, VOTED ON, AND APPROVED ELECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICIES THAT WILL BRING CLARIT AND CONSISTENCY TO THE LIBRARY LIBRARIES AND BOOKSTORES ALL ORGANIZE MATERIALS BY CONTENT, GENRE , AND AGE OF THE READER.

THE POLICY PASSED BY THE LABRI BOARD IS THE CONTINUATION OF TH ORGANIZATIONAL EFFORTS THE LIBRARY ALREADY USES . THE ORIGINAL POLICY WOULD SIMPLIFY THE JOBS OF LIBRARY STAFF THAT GAVE THEM CLEAR GUIDELINES AS THEY PURCHASE AND ORGANIZE MATERIALS. THE E LAW CONSISTEN PROTECTS MINORS FROM ADULT MATERIALS, AND RESTRICTS THEIR DECISION-MAKING ABILITY FOR THEIR OWN PROTECTION. THE ORIGINAL POLICY HELPED USE REASONABLE SAFEGUARDS ON THE MATERIALS THAT CITY EMPLOYEES PROVIDE TO CHILDREN AND TEENS. THE ORIGINAL POLICY SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT THE INNOCENCE OF CHILDREN MUST BE RESPECTED AND PROTECTED . IT SHOWED THAT OUR LIBRARY WOULD PUT PARENTS FIRST AND GIVE CHILDREN A SAFE AREA TO BROWSE WHILE THEIR PARENTS SORT THROUGH BOOKS ON HARD TOPICS. AS WAS SAID EARLIER, THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE PARENTS WITH THEM, ARE MORE LIKELY THA ANYBODY ELSE, THEY ARE THE DISENFRANCHISED. NOW THE COMMUNITY CAN ONLY SPEAK ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS ON A BOOK THA IS FOUND TO BE TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE. EVEN 50 PEOPLE IF 50 PEOPLE COME INTO THE LIBRARY AND COMPLAIN ABOUT A CERTAIN BOOK, THAT DOESN'T MATTER. WE GET ONE COMPLAINT.

THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD HAS BYLAWS THAT STATE THAT ONE PURPOSE OF THE BOARD IS TO DEVELOP AND ESTABLISH IMMEDIATE

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>> THANK YOU, MISS OLSON. >> HELLO, MAYOR BAUKNIGHT, AN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM SARAH ZELLER. I'M ONE OF THE NE LIBRARY ADVISER MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON THI AND FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I AM SURE YOU HAVE MET FREQUENTLY OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ALL OF YOUR EFFORT. I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING QUICKLY FOR YOU, JUST IN CASE YOU WEREN'T SURE ABOUT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS.

THE REASON THAT THE BOARD PRESENTED A POLICY TO YOU THAT SAID JUVENILE AND YOUNG ADULTS WHEN ALL OF US USE TERM YOUNG ADULT, WE ARE THINKING SOMEONE COLLEGE AGE OR OLDER. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TERM IS USED IN THE LIBRARY WORLD OR THE LITERARY WORLD . TO READ FROM YOU FROM THE AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATIO WEBSITE. THEY ARE THE LARGEST LIBRARY ASSOCIATION AND THEIR GUIDELINES ARE FOLLOWED BY MANY LIBRARIES. AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION TO FIND YOUNG ADULT AS INDIVIDUALS BETWEEN 12 AND 18 YEARS OF AGE. SO THE REASON THE BOARD WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT TERM, YOUNG ADULT WITH JUVENILE ON THE POLICY, IS THA WE WERE THINKING IN TERMS OF KIDS AND TEENS. PEOPLE UNDER 18 ARE STILL MINORS. THEY ARE STILL UNDER THE PROTECTION AND RESPONSIBILITY OF ADULTS. THAT IS THE REASON THAT WE PUT THOS TWO PARTS TOGETHER. IF WE MAKE THE CHANGE TO MOVE YOUNG ADULT BACK OVER TO THE ADULT SECTION OR TO THE ADULT POLICY, WHAT YO ARE REALLY VOTING FOR IS TO HAV TEAMS AND ADULTS COVERED UNDER ONE POLICY. THAT WOULD MEAN ALL OF THE CHANGES, THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD WATCH FOR FOR SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT, IT WOULD NOT COVER ANY OF THE BOOKS FOR TEENS. ALL OF THOSE BOOKS THAT ARE LABELED YOUNG ADULT, THEY ARE PUBLISHED FOR TEENAGERS , THEY ARE WRITTEN BY AUTHORS FOR THAT AGE GROUP. WIT THE CHANGES ON THE DRAFT THAT I HAVE SEEN TONIGHT , ALL OF THOSE BOOKS WOULD STAY EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE VERY EXPLICIT EXCERPTS READ HERE AT CITY COUNCIL. ONCE YOU HAVE HEARD THAT WERE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION ARE FOUND IN YOUNG ADULT, I WOULD CALL IT TEENAGE, SHELVES. THAT IS HOW THOSE CELLS ARE TREATED IN THE LIBRAR WORLD. ONE IDEA THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD WAS THAT WE COULD PUT A SIGN ON THE SIDE OF THE SHELLS THAT SAYS RECOMMENDED AGES 18 PLUS. THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE HARD TO CHANGE THE HABITS OF TEENAGERS WERE ALREAD USED TO GOING TO SHELVES . ON M WAY HERE TONIGHT, I WAS STOPPED AT A RED LIGHT. I LOOKED AND I COULD SEE THE YOUNG ADULT SOLVES. THERE WAS A GIRL ABOUT 13 OR 14 , AND THERE WAS ANOTHE GIRL WHO LOOKED ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY ADULTS AROUND. SO THEY ARE GOING TO THOSE CELLS . THEY ARE USED TO GOING TO THOSE CELLS. I WOULD SUGGEST WE SELECT TO THEM WITH THE JUVENILE POLICY, AND THINK OF IT AS KIDS AND TEENS . THANK YOU. WE'LL BE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, MISS ZELLER. MISS CINDY -- I CAN'T READ THE LAST NAME. HERMAN? OH, YES. SORRY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT. I WANT TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS I SAID LAST TIME. AS FAR AS , LIK TO KNOW, GOD'S AGENDA IS HURTFU AND MULTIPLY AND REPLENISH THE EARTH. SATAN'S AGENDA WILL STIL DESTROY. WE CAN EITHER AGREE WITH GOD ARE THE ENEMY OF OUR SOULS. THE POPULATION AGENDA HAS MANY FACETS AND REMOVING CHILDREN'S REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS IS ONLY ONE OF THEM. -- IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED TO NEUTER HER UNTIL ALL OF HER ORGANS OR DEVELOPMENT OF THESE CHILDREN WANT TO TRANSITION LATER IN LIFE, WOULD IT BE WISER TO WAIT UNTIL THEIR ORGANS ARE FULLY DEVELOPED AND THEY ARE SURE THI IS WHAT THEY REALLY WANT? WHY WOULD ANYONE AGREE WITH THE CHILD TO MAKE A LIFE ALTERING DECISION THAT HAS SHOWN TO COM WITH A LOT OF HEALTH ISSUES? YO MIGHT AS WELL AGREE WITH YOUR CHILD TO ALLOW THEM TO EAT ALL OF THE SUITES THEY WANT OR TAKE DRUGS OR ALCOHOL JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO. THE STRATEGY OF THE ENEMY IS TO TAMPER IDENTITY. JESUS'S PRESENTATION WAS TO PLACE OUT ON WHAT THE FATHER HAD JUST SAID ABOUT HIM. WHEN I WAS 20, FOR ALMOST A YEAR, I WAS SEEING A MAN WHO WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR, OUTSIDE OF FIVE AND TIMES ARE OUTSIDE DOWNTOWN HOUSTON. HE HAD NO LEG

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IF AS ADULTS THESE CHILDREN TO WANT TO PURSUE SURGERY, THEN THAT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE. TO ADDRESS ANOTHER THING. I HAVE KNOWN YOUNG LADIES , I HAD A FRIEND THAT WAS THAT HAD SEVERA SIBLINGS. BECAUSE HER PARENTS NEVER GAVE HER ENOUGH LOVE, SHE WENT OUT LOOKING FOR LOVE IS A TEENAGER. BY THE TIME SHE DID GET MARRIED, SHE HAD A HARD TIM IN HER MARRIAGE BECAUSE SEX BECAME -- WAS AN OBJECT BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE IT WAS A COMMITMENT. I'VE TALKED TO OTHE YOUNG LADIES WHO WERE MOLESTED AS CHILDREN AND IT MESSED WITH THEIR MIND. THIS IS NOT REALLY ABOUT LGBTQ+ . IS IT JUST ABOU SEX HER CHILDREN AND TRANSITIONING THEM WHEN THEY - TO APPOINT WHERE THE IMPOSSIBL FOR THEM TO HAVE CHILDREN IF THEY WANT TO LATER. THANK YOU

FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. MICHAEL VAN BUREN

>> GOOD EVENING , MAYOR AND COUNSEL. I JUST WANTED TO THAN VICTORIA POLICE DEPARTMENT . THEY GOT A GRAND JURY AND INDICTMENT ON A SEX OFFENDER I THE TRAILER PARK. HE WAS DATIN THE TRAILER PARK MANAGER , AND SHE HAD A FOUR-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER. I DON'T THINK THERE WERE NO LAWS AGAINST THAT. BUT THAT'S SEEMS LIKE IT IS IMPROPE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE SLEEPING, YOU CAN'T BE WATCHING YOUR DAUGHTER AND STUFF. BUT ANYWAY, HE HAS GOT AN ARRAIGNMENT HEARING FEBRUARY I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, FO TAKING CARE OF THE SEX OFFENDER AND EVERYTHING ELSE . THE SAN ANTONIO POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO LOOKED ON HIS FACEBOOK AND SAW SOMETHING TO THE WORDS OF THE FACT THAT I AM PROUD TO BE A PEDOPHILE, YOU KNOW? AND THIS IS A TYPE OF PEOPLE, THE TRAILE PARK OWNER ALLOWS TO LIVE, YOU KNOW, IN THE TRAILER PARK. TO RENT AND, YOU KNOW? I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. BUT IT IS HIS CHOICE. THE ONLY PLACE I KNOW I TEXAS WHERE WE HAVE TO LIKE GIVE A WARNING IF YOU ARE A SE OFFENDER IS GONZALEZ. YOU HAVE TO PUT UP PLACARD THAT , I WAS THE CITY COUNCIL HAD SOME KIND OF LAW WHERE THE SEX OFFENDERS COULD PUT UP PLACARD UP. BECAUS ONE INTO 89 PEOPLE ARE SEX OFFENDERS IN VICTORIA AND VICTORIA COUNTY. SO TAKE 65,000 AND DIVIDE BY 289 , THAT IS HOW MANY SEX OFFENDERS ARE LIVING HERE. AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, WHEN THEY ARE SEX OFFENDERS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO UPDATE THEIR REGISTRY. THIS WA ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T UPDATE HIS REGISTRY. IF HE IS WONDERING WHERE HIS CARS, LAW ENFORCEMENT TOOK CARE OF IT FOR HIM AND EVERYTHING. HE NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS ADDRESS TO THE VICTORIA COUNTY JAIL. WELL

DONE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ULRICH, WITH THA

[D. Consent Agenda:]

>> NUMBER ONE IS THE ADOPTION O THE MEETING OF THE REGULAR MEETING ON JANUARY 3, 2023. THE FIREFIGHTER ASSESSMENT AND PHYSICAL CONTRACT WITH ONE THE CENTERS NOT TO EXCEED $66,000 AND ITEM D 3 IS AN ITEM AUTHORIZED SIGNATORIES FOR THE HURRICANE HARVEY CDBG DISASTER RECOVERY PROGRAM.

>> SO MOVED . >> SECOND .

>> EMOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. ALL

[1. Consider the adoption of Library Collection Development Policies. Jesú...]

THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE? >> AYE .

>> MOTION CARRIES . >> ITEM E 1 IS A CONSIDERATION OF THE ADOPTION OF LIBRARY COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT POLICIES LAST MEETING, A MOTION ON THE TABLE. MRS. SCOTT HAD MADE AND MR. RAFAEL DE LA GARZA HAD SECONDED. SO ARE THERE ANY

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>> THE JUVENILE POLICY RATES NOW.

>> IF EVERYBODY COULD LOOK A THE SCREEN.

>> MAYOR, JUST BRIEFLY. WE THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA T WALK THROUGH THE COMMITTEE WORK FIRST?

>> YEAH, THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. IT IS ON THE SAME PAGE. I HAVE THE ONE IN FRONT OF ME. WITH ALL OF THE MARKUPS ON IT.

>> MAYOR , BRIEFLY, IF I CAN JUMP IN REAL QUICK?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY ON COUNSEL KNOW THAT AFTER LAST MEETING WHEN Y'ALL ELECTED OR SELECTED COUNSEL ME DR. ANDREW YOUNG , -- AND RAFAEL DE LA GARZA , WE DID MEE FOLLOWING THAT . THEY WERE ALL THREE PRESENTED WITH SOME ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE , AND THINGS TO CONSIDER. THE DRAFT IN FRONT OF YOU THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ARE WHAT THEY, THE CHANGES THAT THEY MAD THAT EVENING THAT THEY AGREED ON. I DO HAVE A HARD COPY OF EACH OF THEM FOR Y'ALL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT JUST SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO WRITE ON. THA WILL MAKE IT EASIER, I CAN HAND IT TO OFFICER COLLINS TO PASS OUT TO Y'ALL?

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> I HAVE GOT ONE. YEAH.

THANK YOU.

SO IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH THAT >> I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING AGAIN. I DO HAVE TH REDLINE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS SENT TO ME. SO TH FIRST ONE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. THE PURPOSE OF THI POLICY IS -- IT WAS CHANGED FROM AN AUNT. SO THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF INTELLECTUAL FREEDOM. AND THEN ADDING TO IT WAS AND THE GENERALLY ACCEPTED COMMUNITY STANDARDS FOR VICTORI RESIDENTS.

>> THAT WAS MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT WAS A CHANGE WHEN I MADE WHEN CRAFTING IT. IT MADE MORE GRAMMATICAL SENSE THAN THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. SO THAT WAS NOT COMMITTEE CHANGE. THAT WAS JUST A GRAMMAR CHANGE FOR THAT POINT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THAT WAS ADDING A BULLET POINT, THE LAST BULLET POINT. IT IS JUST A BULLET POINT, NOT THE VERBIAGEGE. AND THEN WE GO TO THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE COLLECTION DEVELOPMENT ON PAGE ONE STILL. IT WAS CHANGED ON THE SECOND LINE. ENLIGHTENMENT. SO AFTER ENLIGHTENMENT, IT PEOPLE HE STATED TO SATISFY THE CURIOSITY OF A COMMUNITY OF CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS POINT THAT WAS STRUCK OUT. WE GO DOWN TO THE FOURTH LINE AT THE END, THE CHOICE OF LIBRARY MATERIALS BY USERS IS AN INDIVIDUAL MATTER.

IN THE LAST SENTENCE WAS ADDED RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE READING AND VIEWING OF MATERIALS FOR CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS, LESS WITH THE PARENT OR GUARDIAN. OKAY.

>> BEFORE THAT, THERE WAS ANOTHER LINE ITEM.

>> AFTER ENLIGHTENMENT, THERE WAS A SENTENCE, THERE ARE SOME WORDS IN THERE THAT SAID TO SATISFY THE CURIOSITY OF THE COMMUNITY OF CHILDREN AND ADOLESCENTS THAT WERE STRUCK

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IS THAT JUST HOW THOSE THINGS ARE CONSIDERED EXPLICIT AND THE THERE'S ALSO A COLON AFTER THAT

>> IT IS EXPLICIT AND THEN I THINK IT IS, THAT IS TO MODIFY EVERY ONE OF THOSE WORDS. EXPLICIT ILLUSTRATIONS,

EXPLICIT -- >> REPRESENTATIONS. OKAY.

THAT'S WHY IT'S THERE. >> THAT IS ACCURATE, YES.

>> OKAY, INCLUDED BUT NOT LIMITED TO , AND THIS IS -- I'M SORRY. I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THESE HERE. THE LAST TWO BULLET POINTS WE HAD LAST TIME. THE CONTENT THAT INTRODUCES AND PROMOTES GENDER DYSPHORIA OR MAY CAUSE A CHILD YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OF AGE TO QUESTION IF THEY HAVE GENDER DYSPHORIA, OR CONTENT THAT ENCOURAGES A CHILD YOUNGER THAN 18 YEARS OF AGE TO CONSIDER ELECTIVE PROCEDURES FOR GENDER TRANSITIONING, INCLUDING REASSIGNMENT SURGERIES , REMOVA OF OTHER HEALTHY BODY PARTS, ADMINISTRATION OF PURITY INDUCING DRUG'S , OR PHYSIOLOGIC DOSES OF TESTOSTERONE OR ESTROGEN. THOSE TWO WERE TAKEN OUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE TAKE THEM OUT, THAT WE FEEL LIKE THE REST OF THE POLICY COVERS THOSE TWO ITEMS.

>> I DON'T THINK IT DOES. THE GENDER DYSPHORIA.

>> IT WAS WITH THE PENAL CODE, WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION OF THING WERE COVERED BY THE PENAL CODE. WE WERE SAYING WE ARE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE PENAL CODE. I WAS THINKING THAT MIGHT BE WHY

IT WAS OKAY TO TAKE THAT OUT. >> EXACTLY. THAT WAS THE REASON. I DON'T SEE ANY REASO SUCH AS CHEMICAL MESSAGES TO BE REITERATED IN THIS POLICY LIKE THE BOARD SUGGESTED. IT I

NOT GOING TO HURT. >> I AM NOT SURE I AM FOLLOWING

>> BECAUSE OF THE PENAL CODE? >> I AM SAYING THAT THOUGHT --

>> THE REASON WE DON'T NEED TO REITERATE, BUT IT IS NOT GOING

TO HURT IF WE DO. >> WHAT IS REGULATION?

>> BY RECOGNITION OF THE DISCUSSION AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING IS THAT THOSE TWO ISSUES. THOSE WERE THE ONES THA WERE NOT SUPPORTED BY -- THAT THE INCLUSION OF THOSE WOULD ACTUALLY BE A VIOLATION OF STAT AND -- LAW THAT APPLIES TO THI AREA. SO THE CONCERN THERE AND THE DISCUSSION AROUND THAT WAS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE WITHIN OR OUTSIDE OF THE PENAL CODE . THE QUESTION IN THE DISCUSSION, AS I RECALL IT, WAS WHETHER OR NOT INCLUDING THOSE WOULD VIOLATE -- LAW TO THESE TYPES OF , MY UNDERSTANDING FRO THAT DISCUSSION AND THE DISCUSSIONS IS THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS THAT, YES, THEY WOULD VIOLATE LAW THAT APPLIES TO THESE SITUATIONS.

>> WE DID COMMUNICATE THAT DURING --

>> CORRECT. >> WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A THE LAST EXECUTIVE MEETING OR COMMITTEE BOARD MEETING . THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. IS HE CORRECT?

>> THAT WAS CORRECT IN THE CONVERSATION. THAT IT COULD.

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>> THAT IT MAY? DO WE HAVE AN ABSOLUTE ON THAT?

>> AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NO, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ABSOLUTE ON

THAT. >> SO I THINK , LET ME SAY THIS IN THE DEFENSE . YOU ARE ASKING FOR A YES OR NO, BLACK OR WHIT ANSWER ON A GRAY AREA THAT IS SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION BY THE JUDICIARY. AND THE OPINION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I WOULD BE BASED ON HER INTERPRETATION OF CASE LAW THAT MAY NOT FALL UNDER THIS EXACT SAME -- AND APPLYING HER LEGAL KNOWLEDGE AND APPLYING THE WHOL REASON THIS CASE IS TO THIS -- THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT INCLUSION OF THOSE TWO BULLET POINTS WOULD VIOLATE EXISTING CASE LAW. CORRECT ME IF I HAVE

MISSED -- >> NO, THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. AN COUNCILMEMBER YOUNG AND PARKER CORRECT ME IF I AM YOUNG. THE OTHER PART OF THAT CONVERSATION WAS THAT THE LARGER CITY COUNCI CONVERSATION THUS FAR HAS BEEN THE IDEA OF SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT. AND THAT THOSE TWO POINTS TOOK A STEP OUT OF THOSE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS. THAT WAS AN ATTEMPT BY THE COMMITTEE TO STAY ON THAT TRACK OF MAKING SURE THAT THESE SEXUALLY EXQUISITE CONTENT WAS NOT IN THE SECTION. YOU ARE CORRECT, THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

>> I THINK THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT DEALT WITH WHAT WE HEARD CONSISTENTLY , AT LEAST WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM UP HERE WAS WE WERE CONCERNED ABOU THE CONTENT MORE THAN THE CONCERN NECESSARILY ABOUT SUBJECT MATTER. AND THAT THE OTHER BULLET POINTS DON'T SPECIFICALLY WITH CONTENT. AND NOW WE ARE MOVING INTO SUBJECT MATTER. THAT WAS A CONCERN FOR WHETHER OR NOT WITH THE PRESIDENT WOULD APPLY TO THAT DIFFERENTLY THAN IT WOULD TO THE OTHER BULLET POINTS. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE DISCUSSION WAS THAT, YES, IT WOULD. IT WAS A SUBJECT MATTER RELATED AND NOT CONTENT RELATED AS THESE OTHER BULLET POINTS SPECIFICALLY .2.

>> FROM THOSE TWO BULLET POINTS CAN YOU BOIL IT DOWN TOGETHER AND IT IS OFF-THE-CUFF CONTEN THAT INTRODUCES OR PROMOTES

NEGATIVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES? >> SAY THAT AGAIN?

>> SO THAT INTRODUCES OR PROMOTES UNTIL HEALTH ISSUES.

WHAT WE CONSIDER WASTE UPON THAT PERSON? SO THAT IS JUST

PLAYING DEVILS ADVOCATE HERE. >> I APOLOGIZE. THE PENAL CODE THAT WASN'T THE REASONING BEFORE. THAT IS KIND OF MY REASONING RIGHT NOW IS THAT IF THAT TOPIC IS COVERED BY THE PENAL CODE , THEN WE HAVE ALREADY GOT THEM IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TOPIC IS , I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE AUDIENCE BROUGHT IT UP AND I AM LOOKING AT LOOKING AT THIS ATTACHMENT AND IT IS CHILD ABUSE. SO I AM JUST BRAINSTORMING. WHICH I SHOULDN'T BE DOING. BUT PARAGRAPH TWO WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE PENAL CODE, CAN RESOLVE THIS ISSUE BY REFERENCING CHILD ABUSE OR IN ADDITION TO VIOLATIONS OF THE PENAL CODE THAT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO INCORPORATE CHILD ABUSE? I KNOW THAT IS HITTING

EVERYBODY REALLY COLD. >> AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE GENERAL OPINION THAT IS BEING REFERRED TO, IT'S REFERRING TO PARENTS WHO ACTUALLY HAVE ALLOWED SOME SORT OF MEDICAL PROCEDURE -- IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING AND DOESN' REFERENCE THE IDEA OF THE PROVIDING OF INFORMATION THAT IS ABOUT IS IT, CAN IT BE CONSIDERED CHILD ABUSE IF A PARENT ALLOWS A MINOR UNDER THE AGE OF 18 TO HAVE A GENDER REASSIGNMENT SURGERY OR TAKE WARMERS OH DO SOMETHING THAT ALTERS THEIR ABILITY TO REPRODUCE WHEN THEY BECOME AN ADULT. IT IS NOT -- SO IT'S NOT TOO DIFFERENT THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS NOT CONSIDERED UNDER THE PENAL CODE CHILD ABUSE TO ALLOW A CHILD TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION IT IS THE PARENT'S ACT OF ALLOWING THEM TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING MEDICAL THAT COULD PU THAT UNDER --

>> SO MY IDEA WON'T WORK? OKAY.

>> THE PHYSICAL ACT. WE KEEP GOING ROUND AND ROUND ON THIS.

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>> IT WASN'T LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE A BOOK IN THIS SECTION THA WOULD GLORIFY A SERIAL KILLER RIGHT? THAT IS NOT IN THE POLICY THOUGH. BUT WE'LL KIND OF KNOW THAT IS IN ORDER OF MENTAL HEALTH AND PROBLEMS WIT THAT INDIVIDUAL. THE COMMUNIT STANDARD ISSUE, THE SAME MENTA HEALTH TYPE OF MENTAL ISSUE

THAT COVID SIX FALLS UNDER? >> HOW MANY BOOKS DO WE HAVE

RELATED TO THIS TOPIC? >> TO EVEN HAVE A PROBLEM?

>> CORRECT. >> I DID ASKED THE QUESTION , ARE WE LOOKING FOR SOLUTION TO PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE? I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOM REGISTRATION OR SOME LEGAL STUFF, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG MISS ALLISON LACEY?

>> OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE FACING THIS ISSUE. THERE ARE FOUR CASES THAT ARE GOING ON A TEAR THAT CAN PERHAPS GIVE US SOME CLEAR DIRECTIVE IN THE FUTURE. AS TO WHAT IS OR IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE OF THESE SORTS OF THINGS, ESPECIALLY IN THE JUVENILE SECTION.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, SPECIFICALL -- THE SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM, FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WE ASKED STAFF WAS, YOU KNOW , HOW MANY BOOKS DO WE HAV IN THE JUVENILE SECTION OR IN THE LIBRARY THAT PROMOTE THESE TYPES OF MEDICAL PROCEDURES THAT WERE COVERED IN THE BULLET POINT? MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CURRENTLY.

>> IN THE JUVENILE SECTION? >> IN THE JUVENILE SECTION, YES SECTION, WHICH IS NOW -- AN 18 AND UP.

>> THAT WAS BROUGHT UP , OVER 1 YEARS OLD.

>> 12 TO 18 YEARS OLD? >> 18 PLUS.

>> OUR DEFINITION. >> YAK.

>> THIS POLICY IS GOING TO BE REVIEWED EVERY TWO YEARS,

CORRECT? >> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FO THE LIBRARY. I'M NOT SURE HOW OFTEN. IT IS EVERY W

>> I THINK WE ARE AT THREE YEARS?

>> PRAYERS? >> FIVE YEARS.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS THREE YEARS ?

>> FOR THE POLICY REVIEW. OR TH BOOK REVIEW?

>> NO, NO, NO. >> LIBRARY STAFF, LIBRARY STAFF HAS A MASTER SCHEDULE I KNOW O IN THE REVIEW POLICIES. BUT HONESTLY, THAT CAN ALWAYS BE REVIEWED. SO IN TERMS OF WHETHE YOUR QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE T WAIT TWO YEARS TO CHANGE THIS POLICY, THE ANSWER IS NO. THE ELEMENT WHERE THE TWO YEARS HAS COME IN, AND THAT IS IN QUESTION, IF YOU WILL, IS FOR THE RE-EVALUATION PROCESS. NOT FOR THE REVIEW OF THE ENTIRE

POLICY. >> OKAY, I WOULD THINK THAT IN ORDER TO GET THIS THING GOING AGAIN AND MOVING IT FORWARD, THAT WE GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND CHANGE IT, WE CAN COME BACK AND CHANGE IT. BUT WE HAVE HAD THIS ITEM ON THE COUNCIL FOR AT LEAST EIGHT MONTHS, PEOPLE. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD

>> FOR MY STATEMENT, WHAT IS IMPORTANT GOING FORWARD IS , I WAS THE, WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. MULTIPLE SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. I THINK WHATEVER POLICY WE PUT IN PLACE , I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT IT IS CLEAR FOR OUR STAFF. JUST WHAT IT IS. BUT ALSO, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE LAW AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS. YOU KNOW, TO DO OTHERWISE, I THINK WOULD, YEAH, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PERFORMING OUR DUTIES WITHIN TH LAWS THAT APPLY. IF THAT CHANGES SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD THEN THE LAW CHANGES. AND CERTAINLY, FROM MY STANDPOINT, AM UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING -- THIS VIOLATES THE EXISTING LAW. I HAVE A HARD TIME DOING THAT. WHETHER WE AGREE AT THIS

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>> RIGHT NOW, WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND CITIES THAT ARE LOOKING AT THIS POLICY , THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME CHANGE COMING UP. SO I KNOW WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYBOD AND EVERYTHING. AND KIND OF WAI FOR WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. BU

WE NEED SOMETHING IN PLACE. >> JUST A SMALL CORRECTION, COUNCILMEMBER RAFAEL DE LA GARZA.

>> I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND, YES.

>> THE COURT INTERPRETATION OF CASE THAT YOU HAVE CITED TO US BEFORE. I THINK. THAT LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE TWO BULLE POINTS COULD BE CHALLENGED UNDE THAT. AND USED AS PRECEDENT.

>> THE SUPREME COURT CASE -- >> YES, SIR.

>> BUT THERE IS NO PRECEDENT YE SENT ?

>> THE PRESIDENT IN THIS SPECIFIC ITEM, NO. BUT --

>> NO, BUT I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE .

>> SO THE LAW CHANGES, WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE IT OUT?

>> YES, SIR. WE CAN ALWAYS ADD IT IN.

>> YAK. >> WE CAN LEAVE IT IN, BUT IF THE LAW CHANGES, WE CAN TAKE IT OUT, ALSO. BECAUSE THERE IS NO -- ACCORDING TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.

>> I AGREE WITH MISS JOSEPHINE SOLIZ THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. ONE THAT HAVE HAD THAT I HAVEN'T SETTLED LOUD , BECAUSE I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT IF WE PUT THINGS IN HERE AND THEN THAT THEY ARE CHALLENGED AND THEN WE CAN ENFORCE OUR POLICY. I THINK WE NEED A PROVISION IN HERE THAT IF WE ARE PART OF THIS POLICY I STRUCK, THAT THE WHOLE THING IS

NOT STRUCK. >> THAT IS APPLICABLE TO LOSS, ISN'T IT? CAN WE PUT IT IN HER ANYWAY?

>> A -- CLASS? >> YOU CAN. I DO KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE TREMENDOUSLY EFFECTIVE IN A POLICY THAT IS JUST A POLICY. IT IS GOING TO BE THE ACTIONS OF THE LIBRARY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT ARE GOING T BE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GOING TO BE CHALLENGED AND PUT IN PLACE. SO BASICALLY, WE WOULD JUST CHANGE THE POLICY IF THERE WAS CHALLENGE? OKAY.

>> OKAY, SO HOLDING THAT THOUGHT, OKAY? LET'S GET THROUGH THE OTHER COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT THERE WERE. I DON'T KNOW , YOU ALL CAME UP WITH TWO YEARS WAS ONLY LAST REAL CHANGE THAT THE COMMITTEE CAME UP WITH, CORRECT?

>> IF YOU GO BACK UP TO THE SECTION WE WERE JUST TALKING

ABOUT. >> OKAY.

>> THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A CLAUSE THAT SAYS, CURRENTLY ITEMS THAT FALL INTO THE CATEGORY OF WILL BE SHELVED IN THE ADULT SECTION OF THE LIBRARY, AND ARE STILL AVAILABL FOR CHECKOUT FOR THE PUBLIC . THAT WAS STRUCK BY THE

COMMITTEE. >> OH. I'M PRETTY SURE W

>> BUT WE MOVED THAT, CORRECT? BECAUSE WASN'T IT IN A BETTER

PLACE? >> IT'S SAID DIFFERENTLY, BUT BASICALLY, IT SAID IN A DIFFERENT SECTION. IN THE SECTION PLACEMENT. BELOW. WHERE IT HAS THE CLAUSE , AT TH BOTTOM. SO THE RESPONSIBILITY I RESPONSIBLE FOR AGE APPROPRIATENESS. DISCUSSION WAS THAT THAT SENTENCE ENCAPSULATED THE IDEA OF WHAT THEIR PREVIOU SENTENCE WAS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SINCE IT WAS ALREAD IN THE POLICY, TO LEAVE THAT ON

STRUCK. >> AND TO MY RECOLLECTION AS WELL. I KNOW ONE THING WE TALKE ABOUT AT THE TIME. TO KEEP IN MIND, WE ARE DRAFTING THIS POLICY BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW THE CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES TO BE THIS ISSUE IS ONE THAT IS IN FRONT OF US. THIS POLICY WILL B IN EFFECT FOR MULTIPLE YEARS.

AND SO YOU ARE DRAFTING IT, NOT ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF USING AS A GUIDELINE FOR PURCHASE OF OTHER BOOKS AND MOMORE RESOURCES FOR THE LIBRAR THAT IS WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR, INITIALLY. BUT ALSO, THE DUAL PURPOSE OF PLACEMENT WITHIN THE LIBRARY. OF WHERE THINGS ARE GOING IN THE LIBRARY IT IS AN ONGOING POLICY. THAT MEANS IF THIS POLICY DOESN'T GET REVISED FIGHTERS ON THE ROAD, SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, YOU WANTED TO APPLY TO THE SITUATION THAT EXISTS AS IT IS BEING APPLIED. I KNOW THAT IS NOT VERY ELOQUENT. IT MAY BE APPLIED IN THE FUTURE, IN A CONTEXT, OTHER THAN THE CONTEXT WE ARE ADOPTING IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT ISSUES W ARE FACING. AND SO WE ARE TRYIN TO DRAFTED AS A POLICY THAT

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LONG-WINDED EXPLANATION . >>

>> THE QUESTION GOT BROUGHT UP THAT WAS ADDRESSED, BUT IT WAS ADDRESSED IN A BETTER, THE PLACEMENT.

>> YES. >> AND THE LAST CHANGE AT THE BOTTOM WAS THE ADDITION OF TH CITY COUNCIL HAVING FINAL CONSIDERATION ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOOKS.

>> WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME, YEAH

>> AND THEN THE REMOVAL OF RETENTION TWO YEARS AND NOT WHE

YOU'RE ? >> THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THREE YEARS AND WENT DOWN TO ONE YEAR AND THAT IT WAS SETTLED ON TWO

YEARS. >> OKAY.

>> CAN WE GET SOME CLARIFICATIO ON THAT?

>> YES. >> SOMEONE CHALLENGES A BOOK TODAY. SO IT CANNOT BE CHALLENGED AGAIN FOR TWO YEARS?

>> BASED OFF OF THE DECISION TIMEFRAME. SO AS AN EXAMPLE, TH BOOKS THAT WENT THROUGH THE RE-EVALUATION PROCESS THAT THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD CONSIDERED TO SUPPORT THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR'S POSITION. THAT DECISION WAS MADE IN DECEMBER OF 21. IF IT IS TWO YEARS, THOSE BOOKS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE RE-EVALUATED AND TEL DECEMBER OF 2023.

>> SO I GUESS -- >> SO IT IS BASED OFF OF WHEN

THE FINAL DECISION IS MADE. >> SO UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT, IT WAS -- IT DIDN'T MATTER IF THEY GOT 50 COMPLAINTS. WITHIN THOS TWO YEARS. WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT THE TWO YEAR TIME LIMIT?

>> TO GO THROUGH THEIR FORMAL RE-EVALUATION PROCESS .

>> I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND ON YEAR.

COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDED FORM. AND FROM THEN, LET'S MAKE

AMENDMENTS TO IT. >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, ONE OTHER QUESTION. THERE IS BEEN A LOT O DISCUSSION ABOUT EXPLICIT. I'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF EMAILS ABOUT EXPLICIT. COULD THE COMMITTEE

GIVE US -- ON THAT? >> YOU PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER EXPLANATION IN THE LEGALESE . THAT IS WHY I'M LOOKING AT YOU.

>> THE DISCUSSION AT THE TIME, AS I RECALL IT, WAS THAT THE WA IT WAS DRAFTED WITHOUT EXPLICIT WAS THAT IT REFERRED TO IMAGES, ILLUSTRATIONS, REPRESENTATIONS DISCUSSIONS OF ASEXUAL CONTENT AND THAT WAS IT. IT DIDN'T HAV ANY MODIFIER OR ANY ADJECTIVE THERE. WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS LET'S SAY THAT YOU HAD A BOOK THAT MENTIONS ONE OF THESE THINGS. IT MENTIONS IT IN PASSING, BUT IT IS NOT NECESSARILY DESCRIPTIVE OF A SPECIFIC ACT. IT JUST MENTIONS THAT AN ACT OCCURS. THAT IS REALLY NOT WHAT THE FOCUS HAS BEEN FROM UP HERE IN TERMS OF THE CONTENTS AND THE GRAPHIC PICTURES WHERE WE SAW THE EXPLICIT DESCRIPTIONS OF SEXUA ACTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS BY PUTTING EXPLICIT IN THERE IS THAT GOT TO THE HEART OF WHAT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN. MOST OF THE ISSUES AND THE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN, WHICH WAS THE GRAPHIC NATURE, THE DETAILED IMAGES , THE DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS , VERSUS JUST A PASSING REFERENCE THAT COULD B CONTAINED IN A BOOK. AND SO IT WAS MORE TARGETING THE SPECIFI THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN THE SUBJECT OF THE COMPLAINTS. AND

THAT SEEMED TO DO THAT. >>

>> IT IS IT SUBJECTIVE OR OBJECTIVE?

>> I THINK EXPLICIT IS NO MORE OBJECTIVE THAN MANY OF THE THINGS. NO MORE SUBJECTIVE THAN MANY OF THE THINGS . CERTAINLY, THAT IS A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAV ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ONE PERSON

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>> THAT IS SUBJECT AND NOT OBJECTIVE.

>> SO PUTTING IN OBJECTIVE , WOULD THAT BE BETTER? SECOND SE OF EXPLICIT, YOU PUT DESCRIPTIVE? IS THAT WHAT YOU'R

SUGGESTING? >> CERTAINLY, WE CAN ALL

CONSIDER THAT . >> I AM FINE WITH THAT WAS IT.

THINK WE ARE -- I THINK EXPLICIT COVERS IT. WHATEVER YO PUT. IF YOU PUT SIGNIFICANT, THAT IS STILL A JUDGMENT. I

THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON. >> AGAIN, IT IS MY SUGGESTION THAT WE SUBSTITUTE IN THE COMMITTEE'S VERSION. AND THAT ENTERTAINING THE MOTIONS TO AMEND IT.

>> THAT'S FINE. LET'S PUT IT I FIRST.

>> I MOVE THAT WE SUBSTITUTE -

>> I WILL SECOND . >> OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION .

>> YES? >> GOING BACK TO THE FIRST TIM THAT WE STARTED TALKING. YOU KNOW, OPENED UP THE MOTION.

>> SUBSTITUTING THIS VERSION FO THE ONE WE HAD PUT ON THE TABLE THIS WILL NOW BE THE ONE ON TH TABLE.

>> THE AMENDED MOTION. >> TO VOTE ON THAT .

>> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION?

>> THAT IS WHERE I AM -- >> THIS WOULD BE A MOTION TO AMEND THE REGULAR MOTION BY SUBSTITUTING W

>> THE ANSWER IS YES. >> OKAY, THAT IS ALL HE WANTED

TO HEAR. >> AND THEN ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS WE HAVE TO VOTE ON BEFORE TO GET BACK TO THE

ORIGINAL. >> OKAY.

>> IF THIS PASSES THE SUBSTITUTE VERSION.

>> SO WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE TABLE?

>> AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER ONE.

>> OKAY, AND THEN -- >> SO THIS IS A MOTION THAT IS ON THE FLOOR TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL MOTION BY MS. JAN SCOTT TO SUBSTITUTE THE COMMITTEE'S VERSION FOR THE ON WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING. WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE?

>> AYE . >> THOSE OPPOSED?

>> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE 6-1. NOW WE HAVE THE COMMITTEE'S VERSIO

ON THE TABLE. >> TO PROPOSE THAT WE ADOPT THE COMMITTEE'S VERSION BECAUSE WE -- IS IT ON THE FLOOR NOW?

>> YOU CAN MAKE YOUR -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO -- THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. IF YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT PAGE THREE. IF YOU LOOK AT SELECTION PLACEMENTS .

VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY STRESSE AND STRIVES TO MAINTAIN AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH ALL CITIZENS ARE WELCOME.

EXCLUDING BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY COLLECTION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, INCLUDING PREGNANCY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, DISABILITY, OR AGE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. I NEED A SECOND . IF YOU WANT THA

BEHIND THE PENAL CODE >> I WANT THAT BEHIND THE APPEA

COURT. THE SECTION PLACEMENT. >> OKAY.

>> MARK, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SPEA MORE INTO THE MICROPHONE IN

GENERAL. >> THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT ME T

REPEAT? >> SHIRT.

>> DPO EXPRESSES TO MAINTAIN AN INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH ALL CITIZENS ARE WELCOME. EXCLUDING BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY'S COLLECTION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, RELIGION , SEX, INCLUDING PREGNANCY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR GENDER IDENTITY , NATIONAL ORIGIN, DISABILITY OR AGE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION ANY SECOND?

>> I'VE A QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE .

>> OKAY. WAIT, WAIT. >> TO HAVE A MOTION ?

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>> WE HAVE A MOTION BEING MADE. CIRCUIT HAS TO BE SECONDED.

>> SO DO I HAVE A SECOND ON ADDING THIS VERBIAGE? THAT

VERBIAGE TO THAT? >> I SO SECOND POINT

>> OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION. THE VERBIAGE NEEDS TO INCLUDE, IS THAT ANYWHERE IN THE TEXAS PENAL CODE 23.24, OR THE CITY

CODE SECTION 15-5? >> IS THAT LANGUAGE IN EITHER

OF THOSE CODE SECTIONS? >> YES PITTSBURGH OR IS IT COVERED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES

CONSTITUTION? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> NOT UNDER --

>> SO IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO ALONG THOSE LINES -- I WOULD ARGUE AND I WOULD HOLD AGAINST THE AMENDMENT INCLUDING THAT IT

IS ALREADY COVERED. >> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDING -- YES, SIR

>> IT MAY BE UNDERSTOOD AND AS FAR AS SEXUAL CONTENT IS UNDERSTOOD, I THINK IT SHOULD BE PLACED IN. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE WHOLE COMMUNIT THAT THAT BE IN THE POLICY.

THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP FOR I

>> IT SEEMS TO ME, IF IT IS ANYWHERE, IT SHOULD BE IN THE ADULT AND YOUNG ADULT SECTION. CIRCUIT SHOULD BE THERE TOO.

>> BUT I DON'T THINK WE EVEN HAVE A PLACEMENT. THAT IS YOU.

FLIP IT INTO. I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN BOTH POLICIES.

>> WHERE THERE IS A PLACEMENT.

>> I REMEMBER THE MAYOR TALKIN AT THE LIBRARY BOARD MEETING AND EMITTED ESPECIALLY THERE W DID NOT WANT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST DIFFERENT PEOPLE. THAT WAS ALL ABOUT SEXUAL CONTENT.

THIS STATES THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST CERTAIN PEOPLE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE POLICY. I

UNDERSTAND IT'S -- >> I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE POLICY IS DOING, THAT IS I WENT TO ALL OF THESE LINKS AND EVERYTHING AND ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN THERE. FROM TROUBLE SPEAKER? I MEAN, I

[2. Resolution to support and pursue the joint sponsorship of the Victoria...]

[1. Downtown Entertainment District and Amplified Sound Ordinance Update. ...]

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DIFFERENT FROM TWEETERS? >> YES.

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>> WHAT ARE THE DECIBELS IN THE HOUSE WHERE THE WINDOWS WER

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>> IF WE DO IT FROM THE SOURCE, WE WOULDN'T BE WORRIED ABOUT

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THE 60 ANYMORE. >> THAT'S TRUE.

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>> THE 90 IS IF YOU CAN EXPERIENCE HEARING LOSS IF YOU

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>> THE TROUBLE I HAVE AT THE SOURCE IS IT IS HOW FAR THE

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AND SO BECAUSE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN DO. IT IS NOT BASED OFF THE SOURCE VERSES OF IT WAS BASED OFF THE SOURCE, SOMEBODY COULD CALL AND THE POLICE DOESN'T HAVE TO TALK TO ANYBODY. AT THAT POINT, THEY CA SHOW UP IN MAJOR AT THE SOURCE WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO DEAL WIT ANYBODY. AND SO THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE

ENFORCEMENT PART. >> WHEN YOU ALSO CONSIDER THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE MIXING BOARD IF YOU WILL. KIND OF THE -- I CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT LEVELS WHEN I TALK GO UP AND DOWN. IF YOU'RE AT THE POINT OF SOUND MIXING, YOU CAN ALSO PROBABLY TAKE A LOOK AND SAY, YOUR BASE IS TOO HIGH. YOU NEED TO BRING IT DOWN. THAT IS AN IDEA. A THOUGHT.

>> THAT EVERYBODY HAS A MIXING BOARD.

>> NO. >> I WOULD LIKE US TO SEE US G TO THE SOURCE. I THINK I WOULD RATHER SEE 80, WHICH IS 10 TIME

LESS THAN 90. >> 90 FOR DOWNTOWN IS TOO HIGH

205 CAME IN AT 91. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I TRUST THAT

READING. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I TRUST HER

READING. >>

>> AS A SINGLE DATA POINT, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING A LOT OF THE OTHERS . AND IF I BELIEVE THE 551.

>> I WILL SAY THAT THE WAY THAT WE DID IT OR AT LEAST HOW I DI IT, I HELD IT OUT FOR 10 SECOND AND I TOOK THE HIGHEST NUMBER.

AND JERRY JAMES WAS THE ENTERTAINMENT THAT NIGHT. THERE WAS ONE POINT . I REMEMBER IT WAS A JOHNNY CASH SONG. IT HIT 91. THAT WAS THE HIGHEST . TYPICALLY, THEY WERE --

>> YEAH, TAKE THE AVERAGE OR SOMETHING OF THEM

>> I THINK -- >> NO JOHNNY CASH SONGS.

>> I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SOURCE BUT I THINK IT'S THE VIBRATION BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THIS ON PRESSURE METERS .

>> RIGHT, RIGHT NOW I HAVE ADDING IN SOME CONTENT ON VIBRATIONS. RESEARCHING THE SOUND PRESSURE METER. REVISIT THE HOURS FOR THE DOWNTOWN , NO TO COINCIDE WITH THE LICENSE , AND THEN ALSO, 80 DECIBELS AT THE SOURCE .

>> THAT IS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT?

>> ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. >> BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE PRESSURE FOR THE ORDINANCE , I GENERAL.

>> WELL, WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT ON THE POINT OF SOURCE , THERE IS A DESIRE TO CONSIDER THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE TO BE THE SOURCE, NOT JUST ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. SO WE WOULD NEED SOME TIME TO KIND OF JUST LOOK AT, THAT IS WHAT THE MAYOR

VERBALIZED. >> BUT NOT 80 ALL OVER TOWN.

>> NO. WELL, I HEARD THE RESIDENTS DOWNTOWN HAVE AN 80 DECIBELS SOURCE. AND THE ONES AROUND FOR DOUG . I AM IN FAVOR

OF 60 DOWNTOWN. >>

>> WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT WHERE THINGS ARE LOUDER AND MORE HAPPENING . UNFORTUNATELY, THE

RESIDENTS DOWNTOWN -- >> RIGHT. KEEP IN MIND WE ARE CHANGING TO THE SOURCE, RIGHT? SO THAT 60 NUMBER IS NOT BASED OFF OF SOURCE, RIGHT? THE HAIRDRYER EXAMPLE. ABSOLUTELY, YOU HAVE THAT HAIRDRYER RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR EAR, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR ANYTHING. BUT IF THAT HAIRDRYER IS 10 FEET AWAY, IT IS NOT GOING TO SOUND AS STRONG.

>> TRUE. >> HENCE, THE FOCUS ON THE

SOURCE. >> WITH THE SUPPLY, I KNOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- BUT WITH THIS APPLY TO IF YOU HAD OUTDOO DINING ON THE SIDEWALK? THE SPEAKERS . WOULD IT APPLY TO

THAT AS WELL? >> ABSOLUTELY, YES.

>> SO LET'S YOU HAD THREE OR FOUR RESTAURANTS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT ARE ALL PLAYING MUSIC AND ALL HITTING THE SAME DECIBELS. I AM THINKING WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR THAT, ALTHOUGH EACH ONE OF THEM MAY COMPLY, YOU GET THE COMBINATION OF ALL OF THEM IS WHAT YOU ARE HEARING. THAT IS GOING TO BE,

DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THOSE TOPICS BUT IT SEEMS TO ME YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SOURCES THAT ARE ALL HEADING ABOVE LEVEL. WHAT YOU ARE HEARING IS GOING T

BE LOUDER. >> WELL, THE OTHER PROBLEM AT THE SOURCE, IF IT IS IN THE ROOM, LIKE IF IT IS IN A CLUB, THAT IS PRETTY SOUNDPROOF . I DON'T CARE HOW LOUD IT IS INSID

THERE. >> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A

COMPLAINT THEN. YEAH. >> LIKE, I REMEMBER THERE USED TO BE A CLUB OVER IN THE SHOPPING CENTER BEHIND

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CLOSED, IT WASN'T SO BAD. >> I AM SURE IT WAS OVER --

>> WITH ANY MEASURING, YOU WOUL HAVE A COMPLAINT AND YOU WOULD

MEASURE THE SOURCE OF THAT. >> RIGHT, YEAH.

>> DANIELLE WILLIAMS, THIS ORDINANCE HER PROPOSAL IS FOR GOING TO THE SOURCE AND NOT , WHAT IS THE OTHER ONE? AT THE READING? NOT THE SOURCE, BUT THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. SO ACCORDING TO DEPUTY CHIEF JAMISON, HE WOULD HAVE TO GO T THE ORIGINAL PERSON THE CALLS I IN. HE WOULD JUST GO TO THE SOURCE? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> CAN WE PUT IN THERE FOR THA NEIGHBOR THAT HAPPENS TO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THAT IT NEITHER HIGHER THAN 80 AT THE SOURCE OR 60 AT THE RECEIVER? ALL RIGHT. AND THEN YOU HAVE BOTH COVERED. YOU CAN TAKE THE READING WHEREVER ELSE. BUT THEN THE CONTINUAL THING, NOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE

NEIGHBOR. >> YES, IF I MIGHT SPEAK. WE MIGHT STILL LOVE TO HAVE THE POINT OF THE COMPLAINT. I THINK BECAUSE THAT WAY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE PERSON WAS COMPLAINING, WHAT IS THE, TAKE THE DECIBEL READING AT THEIR LOCATION. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE BOTH, IF POSSIBLE.

>> OKAY. DANIELLE WILLIAMS, QUESTION. IN ALL OF YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU LOOKED AT OTHE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS , AND THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAD DECIBEL READINGS, AND THINGS OF THAT.

DO ANY OF THE OTHER ENTITIES DISCUSS VIBRATION AND DID THEY HAVE ANY REGULATION TO THAT AS WELL? I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS JUST A TOPIC THAT IS UNIQUE TO VICTORIA.

>> I DID NOT SEE ANY VIBRATION ORDINANCES THAT I REVIEWED, OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD BACK IN 2015.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO BE CLEAR. I DON'T WANT TO UP THROUGH THE REST OF THE CITY. WE HAVE NIGHTCLUBS ALL OVER TOWN THAT ARE ADHERING TO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. WHY WOULD WE RAISE

IT FROM 60 TO 80? >> YOU'RE NOT. IT IS STILL 60 LIKE IT IS IN THE COLD RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING WOUL STILL BE 60 WHERE THE SOUND IS RECEIVED AND 80 AT THE SOURCE.

>> BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT , THIS DISCUSSION STARTED AS THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND THE ORDINANCE FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT. WE EXPANDED IT TO TAL ABOUT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE

ENTIRE CITY. >> BECAUSE THEY WOULD'VE BEEN I CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER. THE SOUND ORDINANCES.

>> IS THAT A PROBLEM? THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT? IT HAS UPPER ASPECTS TO IT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CARRY BEVERAGES OUTSIDE AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. IT IS AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT . WE ARE CREATING A DIFFERENT, I DON'T KNOW. YOU MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE

WITH ME. >> I LIKE HAVING THE OPTION FOR THE SOURCE OR RECEIVING POINT YOU'RE NOT REALLY CHANGIN

THE REST . >> I GUESS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADDING SOURCE, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO FROM 60

TO 80. >> THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED -- WITH THE CURRENT CODE, IT DOESN'T DEAL WITH SOURCE AT ALL

>> AND IT IS GOING TO BE, IT IS GOING TO BE 80 AT THE SOURCE AN SAY 50 IT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT AND IT IS 70 AT THE RESIDENT. 8 IS NOT , IT IS TOO HIGH AT THE SOURCE. THEY WILL HAVE TO TURN IT DOWN BECAUSE IT IS 70 AT THE RESIDENCE. THEY NEED TO TURN THE VOLUME DOWN AT THE SOURCE. BUT IT GIVES THE OFFICERS THE ABILITY, LIKE HE SAID, TO DO BOTH MEASUREMENTS, IF THEY NEED TO. 80 STILL CAUSES A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT IS NOT COMPLYING WIT

THE 60. >> I AM GOING TO HAVE TO THINK

ABOUT IT. >> OKAY. GOOD THING WE ARE NOT

VOTING TONIGHT. >>

>> THAT WOULD ALSO HELP THE POLICE OFFICER, BECAUSE IT WOUL BE -- HE WOULD HAVE TO THINK WHERE AM I? HOW WE THINK. I

DON'T KNOW. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE

SOMEWHERE IN THIS, OR NO? >> GREAT JOB!

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>>THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK.

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>> MR. GILL? >> NO PUN INTENDED. THANK YOU

FOR THE FEEDBACK. >>

>> GOOD EVENING. WE ARE GOING T GO PRETTY QUICK. GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE MAIN EVENT WE HAD JANUARY 7TH. REAL QUICK . IT WA HIGH INTENSITY. SHORT DURATION. WE DID GOOD. VICTORIA DOES GOOD. LOW INTENSITY, LONG-DURATION, COULD BE THE SAM 25 YEAR STORM. WE HAD ALL THOSE. WE JUST DON'T LIKE THOSE SHORT, FAST, HARD RAINS. THIS IS WHERE WE RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS AND COMPLAINTS. RECEIVED SOME NEWS MEDIA COVERAGE THAT SHOWS YOU SOME OF THE LOCATIONS SPORADIC ACROSS TOWN. ON THE RIGHT IS INNOVATION MAP THAT WAS DONE AND THE MASS COMPLAIN UPDATE. THAT IS A GREAT TOOL THAT WE USE THAT CONFIRMED A LO OF THESE DRAINAGE AREAS THAT AR RECEIVING COMPLAINTS. THEY CONFIRMED IT. THE HOT SPOTS IS THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP. YOU WILL SEE THE BRIGHT YELLOW AND SOME RED. THAT IS WHERE THERE WERE HIKES. WE KNOW THAT , IT MODELE OUT AS BEING A CONCENTRATED AREA. THESE ARE SOME OF THE SPECIFICS . WE GOT SOME PICTURE FROM THE NEWSPAPER. THIS IS RED RIVER HEIGHTS. THIS HAS BEEN WILSON, RED RIVER, JERRY, -- I GOES ALL THE WAY , EVEN AFFECTING SAM HOUSTON AND RIO GRANDE STREET. SO AS LONE TREE CREEK GETS UP, IT BACKS UP AND THAT HYDRAULIC GRADE LINE BACKS IT ALL THE WAY UP RED RIVER AL THE WAY TO BEND WILSON. SO IT HAS BEEN IN ISSUE FOR MANY YEARS. IT IS IN OUR MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS. ESTIMATED COSTS OF 18 MILLION BECAUSE OF HOW FAR YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWNSTREAM TO GET

THAT GRADE LINE REDUCED. >> THIS IS THE BOX UNDER RED

RIVER? >> YES. THAT IS THE ONE. THE NEXT ONE IS MAYFAIR TERRACE. THIS IS -- LONE TREE AREA.

RIGHT WEISSMAN CROSSING. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WAS STUDIED IN TH MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN AND IT WAS AGAIN WE STUDIED I THINK AROUN 2012. AND NOW ANOTHER INDEPENDENT STUDY WAS DONE IT.

SEVERAL HOUSES ARE IMPACTED DURING THESE HARD RAINS. THE ESTIMATED COST OF 8 MILLION FO THIS PROJECT. IT IS GOING TO INCREASE GOING UP AND IN ON TH SIDE STREET. THE NEXT ONE IS KIND OF A NEW ONE FOR US BECAUS IT IS A RELATIVELY NEW STRUCTURE. THAT IS THE -- UNDERPASS. THE PUMP STATION IS A TEXTILE FACILITY. FOR SOME REASON, THIS THING HAS BEEN GETTING AFFECTED MORE RECENTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BECAUSE O THE POWER ISSUE THAT IS GOING T IT, BUT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE TO HARDEN THE PUMP STATION , THE ELECTRICAL PANEL, AND POSSIBLY PUT A GENERATOR IN POINT ESTIMATED COST IS 1.5 MILLION. AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE TEXTILE.

WE ARE IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY

THIS THING KEEPS TRIPPING OUT. >> DID THEY GET THAT IN THE

CLEANED UP? >> YES. YES, WE CLEANED OUT THE INLETS . BUT REMEMBER? THEY BUILT UP THE ASPHALT?

>> YES. THEY DID MILL SOME OF THAT OUT FOR THAT STILL MAY BE AN ISSUE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS. WHEN THIS THING BACKS UP, HAVE SEEN IT. IT IS STILL. IT I NOT TRAINING AT ALL SO THAT MEANS THAT PUMP STATION IS OUT. SO WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE LOCAL DISTRICT OFFICE. TO HELP THIS THING. THEY DON'T LIKE GOING OUT THERE EITHER WHEN THA RED LIGHT IS ON. THE NEXT ONE, CIMMARON AREA. AGAIN, THIS WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN. IMPROVEMENTS TO THE STORM SEWER ON AIRLINE AND INTO CIMMARON NEIGHBORHOOD. I WANT TO NOTE. THIS ONE IS 4 MILLION. A LOT OF THESE DRAINAG COMPLAINTS IN AREAS THAT WERE DEVELOPED POINT 1978, PRE-1980 THAT WAS OUR FIRST MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN. WE CHANGED A LO OF THINGS. WHERE WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, WE STARTED NEW PROCESSES, NEW CALCULATIONS. A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE LITERALLY DONE BEFORE THAT MASTER DRAINAGE PLAN. THAT FIRS ONE. NEXT ONE. A COUPLE OF BRONSON TERRACE. WE HAD SOME ISOLATED AREAS IN THERE.

IMPROVED STORM SEWER SYSTEM AN THE DATES FOR THE ESTIMATED COS OF 3 MILLION. ERIE LANE, THE SIDEWALK FLOODED. AGAIN, THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE DOWNSTREAM. IT HAS GOT A LOT OF BRUSH IN IT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED. ALL THE WAY TILL LONE TREE CREEK. THAT

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>> A GOOD CLEANING? >> YES. YES. IT DOES HELP.

STREET SWEEPING . AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO START THAT . THE STREE SWEEPER IS GOING TO HELP KEEP THAT DEBRIS OUT OF THE INLETS.

I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A BIG PLUS AND IMPROVE THE CAPACITY WITH THE GUTTERS AND THE STREET, THE DRAIN GUTTER.

RITUALLY, WITH IN THE CONCRETE LINE CHANNELS. FOR INSTANCE, TH ONE UP NORTH IN FRONT OF THE MALL AND SOME OF THOSE GOOD REA TO GET IN THE AND CLEAN THOSE OUT AND SCRAPED THEM UP.

CONCLUSIONS? WE GOT THE HIGHLIGHTED AREAS WHERE THERE MAY BE MORE AS WE, YOU KNOW, AS WE HEAR FROM CITIZENS. DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN CONFIRMED THOSE FLOODING PATTERNS WE SAW. WITH THE FLOOD INNOVATION MAP. OUTFALLS AND MAJOR CREEKS ARE EXPERIENCING SILTATION, REDUCING FLOW CAPACITIES AND AFFECTING THAT HYDRAULIC GRADE LINE. THAT BRINGS THE ISSUE OF FUNDING MECHANISMS , WHICH ARE DRAINAGE ASSESSMENT FEES .

DRAINAGE IMPACT FEES OR OTHER MECHANISMS. AND MY LAST SLIDE, I'M GOING TO LET JESUS TALK. TH TIMELINE.

>> SURE, THANK YOU . SO OBVIOUSLY, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT ARE VERY COSTLY, RIGHT? IF YOU ADD ALL THOSE UP, THAT WAS CLOS TO $50 MILLION IN IMPROVEMENTS WE KNOW THE DRAINAGE MASTER PLA ACTUALLY HAD OVER $200 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS IN IT. WE KNOW THAT IS EXPENSIVE, EVEN THOUGH STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN FINDING CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO BE BETTER AT MAINTENANCE, YOU MAY RECALL THA LAST YEAR, WE PURCHASED A NEW VACUUM TRUCK . WE DIDN'T GET RI OF THE OLD ONE. WE KEPT IT SO THAT COULD BE FOCUSED BY STREET CREWS TO DO SOME OF THE CLEANOU AIM PERMITS THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE. WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN FIT HOWEVER, IN THE ABSENCE OF HAVING A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE, EVERYTHING RELATED TO STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE COMPETES WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. THINK OF OUR TWO MAJOR SOURCES OF REVENUE BEING THE GENERAL FUND. WHICH ARE THE SEALS FOR PROJECTS AND IN THE UTILITY FUND WHICH IS TH REVENUE BOND THAT WE ISSUED FOR UTILITY PROGRESS BUT EVERY YEA WE GO THROUGH THE CIP PROCESS AND RIGHTFULLY SO, WE PRIORITIZ STREET AND UTILITIES, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDE MORE 24/7, 365 IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR CITIES TO HAVE -- FOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS FOR THE METHOD IN WHICH THEY DO THAT IS THE STORMWATER FEE. OUR DRAINAGE MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDE THAT WE EXPLORE THAT OPTION AND DURING THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE AR BEGINNING THE PROCESS TO HIRE FIRM THAT IS NOT ONLY GOING TO COME IN AND ASSESS POTENTIALLY ESTABLISHING A STORMWATER FEE, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT OUR WATER AND SEWER RATES . WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE LOOKED AT COLLECTIVELY AND TOGETHER BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT THESE AND SILOS WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS AS WE ARE FINALIZING TH RFQ CURRENTLY. WE WILL ISSUE THE RFQ IN MARCH. AND WE EXPECT THAT SOMETIME IN MAY, WE WOULD BE READY TO AWARD THE CONTRACT WITH THE COMPANY POINT THEY CA START THE PROCESS AND LOOKING A THAT. IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE COMPLETED IN TIME FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE SCHOOL YEAR 2024. BUT MY GOAL IS THAT HOPEFULLY, WE CAN WRAP THAT STUDY UP BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR SO HOPEFULLY GOIN INTO SPRING OF 2024, AND GOING IN THE CONVERSATIONS FOR FY 25 WHICH WE ADOPT IN THE SUMMER OF 2024, WE CAN HAVE, HOPEFULLY, A EDUCATED CONVERSATION ABOUT TH STORMWATER FEE. BUT IT WILL TAK TIME, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT THAT AND TO DEVELOP THAT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT INCLUDING PROJECTS IN THE CIP. SOME OF THE LONE TREE DRAINAGE PROJECTS NOW AND TO CONTINUE TO THE BEST WE CAN WIT THE STREET CREWS AND OTHERS ON

DAILY MAINTENANCE. >> CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE?

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RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AT ALL? >> SOME OF THE AREAS, IT IS WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT POINT THE ARE CLEANING THOSE AND THEY ARE HELPING US. SUCH AS PARTS OF LONE TREE CREEK THAT ARE HELPING. AND THEY DO ROUTINE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE. WE DO HAV A CONTACT . BUT SOME OF THOSE O THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN, NO, IT IS NOT IN THAT DRAINAGE DISTRICT.

>> ANY OF THOSE CIMMARON ? >> IT IS, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON NOT INSTALLATION IMPROVEMENTS . THE ARE FOCUSING ON THE LARGER CREEKS AND OUTFALLS FOR THAT I BEEN HER MAIN FOCUS. NOT CLEANING OUT STORM SEWERS OR

DRAINING ROADSIDE DITCHES. >> WE CAN VISIT WITH THEM BECAUSE I KNOW 60% OF THE REVENUE COMES FROM --

>> VERY TRUE. >> AND IF RESIDENTS AREN'T HAPPY WITH THEIR -- WITH HOW THEY ARE TAXED. THAT MEANS YOU

PAY FOR YOUR ACREAGE. >> RIGHT . YEAH, I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION A LOT WITH THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THERE MAY BE TIME TO GET BACK IN FRONT OF THEM AND START DISCUSSING OTHER

OPTIONS. >>

>> I'VE HEARD ANYWHERE FROM FOU INCHES UP TO SIX INCHES. 3 TO INCHES WAS THE AVERAGE IS WHAT HEARD FOR THAT WAS IN AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS TIME. AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

>> YOU KNOW THAT I CONTACTED YOU. I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY SOM PEOPLE IN MOSS WOULD APARTMENT COMPLEX. THEIR PARKING LOT FLOODED ALSO. COULD YOU KIND O ADDRESS OR EXPLAIN WHAT YOU HAVE EXPLAINED TO ME ABOUT THAT

>> YES, AND THAT ONE, I DID ACTUALLY PULL THE PLANS OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. IT WAS BUIL IN 75, I BELIEVE, 78. LOOKING A THE PLANS, THEY HAD VERY LIMITE INTERNAL DRAINAGE BUT I THINK THEY HAD THREE UNITS IN THE WHOLE COMPLEX. IF THEY DID DO, THEY SHOWED ANOTHER SITE PLAN WHERE THEY ADD A COUPLE MORE.

THERE ISSUE WAS THE ELEVATION OF THE PARKING LOT AT THE DRIVEWAY IS SUCH THAT THERE IS NO OVERLAND RELIEF. IN OTHER WORDS, WE TRY TO GET OUR STREET WHERE IT GETS SIX INCHES DEEP, IT WILL CRACK OVER A GO TO THE NEXT EDITION. GET SIX INCHES AN IT KEEPS THAT DEPTH AT SIX TO EIGHT INCHES. PRIMARILY, WE DID THAT FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES BUT WE WANT TO GET THOSE IN. THAT ONE, IT JUST BUILDS UP. IT CAN' OVERLY RELIEVE OUT INTO THE STREET. THAT IS WHAT IS CAUSING THAT PARKING LOT. THE SOLUTION TO IMPROVE THE STORM DRAINAGE INTERNAL IS PROBABLY THE EASIES THING THEY COULD DO. OR REVISE SOME OF THEIR PARKING LOT AND MAYBE MAKE A COUPLE OVERLAND RELIEF AREAS. CUT IT DOWN A BIT

>> ALL PRIVATE. ALL RIGHT , THANK YOU.

[H. Executive Sessions:]

>> NEXT IS EXECUTIVE SESSION.

>> YOU HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS FOR US ?

>> IN EXECUTIVE SESSION? >> YES.

>> YES, WE WILL DO THAT AT CITY HALL.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL RESERVES INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION . WE ARE NOT INTENDING TO COME BACK.

>> THE CITY COUNCIL RECESS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THE 17TH DAY OF JANUARY OF 2023 . -- FIVE OF 1.072, 55 -- .071 .

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