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[A. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.

WE EXPECT ONE MORE MEMBER TO BE HERE.

IF WE HAVE ONE MORE MEMBER, WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROCEED, SO SOMEBODY TELL SOME JOKES OR SOMETHING.

(LAUGHTER) THAT IS WHAT I FIGURED.

>> OOH. >> WE WILL HAVE TO... SO WHAT IS EVERYBODY DOING FOR THANKSGIVING? TRAVELING? OWL OF... OUT OF TOWN?

>> WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE. WHICH I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT.

>> AWESOME. PERFECT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING... I HEAR THE DOOR.

>> HEY, JUSTIN. HOW ARE YOU DOING, SIR?

>> HERE WE GO. >> HEY, JUSTIN.

>> HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING TODAY? >> GREAT.

YOU ARE THE MAGIC NUMBER. >> NICE.

YOU ARE THE QUORUM. WE HAVE TO GET YOUR, GOT TO FETE YOUR SIGN-UP. WE WILL BE READY TO GO.

ALL RIGHT. QUORUM IS PRESENT.

WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER FOR REAL.

WE HAVE ONE MORE MEMBER COMING IN NOW.

WE ARE BEYOND QUORUM. SO FIRST I'LL ASK FOR ANY CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION CAN DO SO NOW. I DON'T SEE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT, BUT I'M ASSUMING THE DOOR IS UNLOCKED.

>> YES IT IS. >> IF THEY WERE HERE, THEY WOULD

BE UPON US. >> OKAY.

[1. Adoption of Minutes]

WE WILL MOVEN TO AGENDA ITEM C. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING. WHICH WAS ON OCTOBER 10.

THEY ARE ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET.

>> I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

>> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED?

>> OKAY. THE MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED.

WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE AGENDA TODAY.

BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I GUESS JASON, YOU ARE GOING TO

[1. Mosquito abatement]

START US OUT. TALKING ABOUT MOSQUITO

ABATEMENT. >> YES, SIR.

WELL, GOOD EVENING. HI.

I HOPE Y'ALL ARE DOING WELL AND I HOPE Y'ALL ARE ENJOYING THIS CHANGE OF WEATHER. THAT WE HAVE.

ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED DURING LAST MONTH'S COMMISSION MEETING WAS MOSQ MOSQUITO... A MOSQUITO POWER POINT OR UPDATE. I MENTIONED TO Y'ALL THAT LAST YEAR, WE PRESENTED SOMETHING TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING OUR MOSQUITO ABATEMENT PROGRAM WE HAD IN PLACE.

SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.

THE CITY OF VICTORIA MOSQUITO UPDATE.

AGAIN, THIS IS FROM JUNE OF 2021.

SOME OF INFORMATION ISN'T AS RELEVANT AS IT WOULD BE TODAY.

IT IS REALLY GOING TO BE MORE ALONG THE DATES AND WHAT WE HAD DONE AT THAT TIME. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET RIGHT INTO IT. WE WILL CHAT ABOUT THE HABITAT AND THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE MOSQUITOES.

THE REPRODUCTION AND THE HUNTING, IF YOU WILL.

THAT THEY GO THROUGH. THE MOSQUITO ABATEMENT TOOLS THAT THE DEPARTMENT USES. OUR ABATEMENT PROGRAM AND THEN AGAIN, THAT SEASON UPDATE WAS FOR JUNE OF LAST YEAR.

WE CAN TOUCH ON THAT, AND WE CAN TOUCH ON A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE DID THIS YEAR. WHICH WAS MINIMAL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. NONETHELESS, I DO HAVE THE HABITAT ANT THE LIFE CYCLE FOR YOU.

THE HABITAT THAT THE MOSQUITOES ABSOLUTELY LOVE AND I THINK EVERYBODY THE RELATE TO THIS AND UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT STAGNANT WATER. RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES, WE TALK ABOUT HEY, DUMP OUT YOUR TIRES.

YOUR POTS AND ALL SORTS OF REALLY, YOU KNOW, FUN THINGS THAT COLLECT WATER. THE LARVAE, THE HABITAT RANGE FROM MARSHES, FRESHWATER, TREE HOLES, DITCHES, CAR TIRES, YOU NAME IT. ANYTHING REALLY THEY CAN JUST HAVE THAT... HAVE THOSE EGGS DROPPED INTO THAT WATER TO BE ABLE TO CLING ON TO SOMETHING. THE ADULT MOSQUITOES, THEY DO HIDE IN TALL GRASS. THEY HIDE IN SHRUBS.

THEY HIDE ANYWHERE THEY CAN UNTIL IT IS READY TO EAT.

THE LIFE CYCLE THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE WITH THE MOSQUITOES ARE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. IT GOES FROM A TO A LARVAE TO A PUPA. THEN THE ADULT EMERGES.

THEY END UP WITH THE ADULT BITING MOSQUITOES.

HEY, HOW ARE YOU DOING? GOOD.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ADULT BITING MOSQUITO.

WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE HERE IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO HOW DO THEY REPRODUCE? WELL, THEY REPRODUCE BUT THEY HAVE A HUNDRED EGGS EVERY TIME THEY REPRODUCE.

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IT IS A CONTINUOUS CYCLE TO TRY TO MITIGATE OR AT LEAST REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MOSQUITOES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY.

THE ADULT MALES, THAT I DO FEED ON THE NECTAR.

THE FEMALES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OUT SEEKING BLOOD.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY BITE YOU.

ALL FEMALES. SO AFTER THE FEMALES, YOU KNOW, SENSE OUT THEIR BLOOD AND HONE IN ON YOU, THEY WILL LOOK FOR A SOURCE TO LAY THE EGGS. THE EGGS, FROM EGGS TO ADULT, THEY TYPICALLY TAKE ANYWHERE FROM EIGHT TO TEN DAYS.

THEN OF COURSE, THE BREEDING CAN OCCUR WITHIN 28 HOURS AFTER THE ADULT EMERGES. IT IS A CONTINUOUS PROBLEM THAT WE SEE. WE DO TRY TO... WE WILL GO INTO A COUPLE OF THINGS HOW WE TRY TO MITIGATE THEM.

THE HUNDREDING THAT TAKES PLACE WITH THE MOSQUITOES, THIS IS GOING TO DEPEND ON THE TYPE OF MOSQUITO THAT ARE OUT THERE.

THERE IS TYPICALLY TWO DIFFERENT TYPES.

WE HAVE THE GENUS OF 80S. THEY TEND TO BE MORE ACTIVE DURING THE DAY. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE TEND TO GET CALLS, OBVIOUSLY, DURING THE DAYTIME ON.

THOSE MOSQUITOES, THEY TYPICALLY RANGE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THEIR HOMESTEAD AND GO OUT ABOUT 200 METERS FROM WHERE THEY LAY DOWN. THE OTHER GENUS IS THE ONE THAT TYPICALLY COME OUT AT NIGHT. THEIR FEEDING RANGES GO OUT FURTHER. FROM 200 METERS.

THEY GO OUT TO ONE MILE. SO THAT IS LOT OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT TARGETING SOME AREAS THAT WE HAVE WITH SOME OF THE TRAPS. AND THEN REALLY FOCUSING ON THOSE AREAS SO WE CAN SPRAY... SPRAY THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS.

INSTEAD OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY.

SOME OF THE MOSQUITO ABATEMENT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, THE FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE LEFT-HAND SIDE.

THOSE ARE MOSQUITO DUNKS. OR LARVAE DUNKS.

THOSE ARE GOING TO BE PUT OUT BEFORE IT GETS TO THE ADULT STAGE. SO REMEMBER THAT, LIFE CYCLE THAT I WAS TELLING YOU ABOUT. THAT IS WHERE THOSE LITTLE CUBES WOULD... BLESS YOU. WOULD MITIGATE ANY KIND OF FUTURE BITING MOSQUITOES. SO THOSE TABLETS OR THOSE DUNKS GET PUT INTO THE STAGNANT WATER. AND IT IS... TOES ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL-GRADE.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS YOU CAN BUY AT YOUR LOCAL HARDWARE STORE. SOME STORES HAVE DUNKING TABLETS THAT YOU CAN PUT INTO WATER. THAT WILL HELP ELIMINATE THEM.

THAT IS THE BIGGEST SOURCE WE WANT TO GO AFTER.

THE LARVAE. ONCE WE GET TO THE NEXT STAGE WHICH IS THE ACTUAL SPRAYING OF THE MOSQUITOES, THAT IS JUST KNOCKING DOWN THE ADULTS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.

IT IS NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE LARVAE SIDE.

WE HAVE TO DO THAT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE HARSH CHEMICALS.

THOSE ARE NON-TARGETED CHEMICALS.

THEY REALLY HIT ANYTHING. THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE SPRAY AFTER THE SUNSET. LATER AT NIGHT.

THIS CAN LITERALLY KILL THE BEE THAT IS WE HAVE AND THE POLLINATING BUGS AND INSECTS. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

WE ARE TRYING TO TARGET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THOSE BITING INSECTS. THOSE NUISANCE INSECTS.

THE NEXT TWO PICTURES ARE OF THE HERBICIDE, IF YOU WILL, OR THE SPRAYING EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE. SO THE SECOND PICTURE IS SPRAYING ATTACHMENT OR... IT IS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

AN ULTRA LOW VOLUME SPRAILER. THAT SETS IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. IT HAS A GAS TANK.

A PLACE FOR THE CHEMICALS. WE PUT OUR CHEMICALS IN THERE.

THE FOLKS DRIVING THE VEHICLE. THEY CAN TURN IT ON AND OFF FROM THE INSIDE OF THE CAB. THAT IS THAT THIRD PICTURE.

YOU SEE A YELLOW BOX, IF YOU WILL.

THAT HAS LITTLE BUTTONS ON IT. THAT IS WHERE THE OPERATOR TURNS ON AND OFF THAT SPRAY EQUIPMENT. THAT EQUIPMENT IS CONSTANTLY RUNNING. WHENEVER THEY FLIP ON THE SPRAY, THAT IS WHEN THAT SPRAY COMES OUT.

YOU CAN SEE A MONITOR THAT IS ON THAT THIRD PICTURE.

THAT IS A REALLY COOL SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.

A GPS SYSTEM. THAT ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THE TRUCK AROUND EVERYWHERE THAT IT GOES. THAT PICTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOME GREEN LINES.

OVER, LIKE, SOME DARKER LINES. HELP ME WITH THIS ONE, KIMBERLY.

THE GREEN LINES ARE WHERE WE HAD SPRAYED AND WHERE OUR EQUIPMENT OPERATOR OR OUR OPERATOR HAD TURNED ON THE SPRAYING EQUI EQUIPMENT. ANY TIME WE TURN IT OFF, IT STILL CAPTURES IT ON THAT RIGHT-HAND PICTURE.

ON THAT MAP. IT IS JUST A DARKER COLOR.

SO YOU CAN SEE, LIKE, MAYBE THERE IS A DEAD-END ROAD WHERE THEY GO DOWN. WITH THE SPRAYER OFF.

THEY GET DOWN TO THAT ROAD. THEY TURN ON THE SPRAYER.

THEN THEY START SPRAYING ON THE WAY OUT.

AND SO RIGHT? DID I GET THAT RIGHT?

>> YUP. >> COOL.

WE ARE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A, WHETHER OR NOT THE OPERATOR

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ACTUALLY SPRAYED. OR IF WE GET A CALL IN AND YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, I NOTICE Y'ALL WERE SPRAYING AND YOU DIDN'T SPRAY DOWN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE CAN PULL THIS AND SAY YES, WE DID.

OR NO, WE DIDN'T. IT JUST REALLY HOLDS US ACCOUNTABLE, TOO. TO MAKE SURE T THAT WE ARE NOT OVERSPRAYING OR PUTTING OUT ADDITIONAL PRODUCTS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE. ANY QUESTIONS YET? OKAY. FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN, KIMBERLY.

SO THIS IS AN AREA... I WANTED TO DOUBLE-CHECK.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE STILL USE AQUA-REZULIN.

IT IS A RESTRICTED-USE PESTICIDE.

MEANING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO SPRAY IT.

YOU KNOW, MR. AND MRS. SMITH... BLESS YOU.

CAN'T GO TO HOME DEPOT OR TRACTOR SUPPLY AND PURCHASE THIS. YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS. I MENTIONED EARLIER IT IS A NON-SELECTIVE, WHICH MEANS IT KILLS EVERYTHING.

SO EVERYTHING THAT IT TOUCHES, IT KILLS IT.

WE WERE SPRAYING AT THE MAXIMUM LIMIT ALLOWED.

AND PART OF WHAT I HAVE UP HERE IS WE CANNOT RE-TREAT MORE THAN ONCE IN THREE DAYS. ANY TIME THAT WE DO OUT TO SPRAY, WE LITERALLY CAN'T SPRAY AGAIN FOR THREE MORE DAYS.

THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE LABEL THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

THAT IS ON THE SHEET. SOME OF THE VARIABLES THAT WOULD MITIGATE US OR ALLOW US TO NOT GO BY THAT THREE-DAY RULE WHICH MEANS WE COULD GO IN THERE AND SPRAY THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES IN A WEEK, IT HAS TO BE A STATE-APPROVED NATURAL DISASTER.

WE HAVE TO BE IN RECOVERY EFFORTS.

THE HURRICANE OF 2017 WOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIME EXAMPLE OF.

THAT OR DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF DISEASE IN ANIMALS, HUMANS, OR VECTOR MOSQUITOES. THAT GOES BACK TO THE REASON WHY WE STARTED THIS ABATEMENT PROGRAM AND WHY WE WANT TO START TRAPPING. WE CAN IDENTIFY THOSE MOSQUITOES THAT HAVE DISEASES. THAT WE WOULD NEED TO REDUCE FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. SO OUR MOSQUITO ABATEMENT PROGRAM, WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, AND REALLY, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO GUIDELINES, QUITE HONESTLY, WHAT WE WERE DOING IS WE WERE BEING REACTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AS IT RELATES TO THE MOSQUITOES.

FOR INSTANCE, WE WERE WAITING ON PEOPLE TO GIVE US A PHONE CALL OR FOR OUR STAFF TO GO OUT AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING BIT UP OVER HERE. WE ARE GETTING BIT UP OVER HERE.

WE WOULD PLUG AWAY ON A MAP. AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO GO HERE AND SPRAY OR THERE AND SPRAY.

OR THEY ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE. WE ARE GOING TO SPRAY THE BHOAL CITY OUT. RIGHT? AND WE DIDN'T HAVE REALLY ANY KIND OF GUIDELINES, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THAT. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE CREATED THIS MOSQUITO MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT TALKS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, THE MOSQUITOES. IT TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING AS IT RELATES TO TRAPPING AND SPRAYING. AND IT IS ON-LINE AS WELL.

I BELIEVE. AND SO THE COMMUNITY DEFINITELY HAS ACCESS TO THIS. I THINK IT IS, LIKE, A TEN-PAGE DOCUMENT. IT ALSO OUTLINES WHAT OUR LEVELS OF REACTION ARE. SO YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, IF WE IDENTIFY AN AREA THROUGH A TRAPPING SYSTEM WHERE WE SEE A PARTICULAR DISEASE, WE ARE GOING TO GO OVER THERE, SPRAY THAT CERTAIN AREA. WE ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH COMMUNICATIONS AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A DISEASE IN YOUR AREA THROUGH A BLOOD-BORNE PATHOGEN. OR I'M SORRY.

THROUGH A MOSQUITO. YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO SPRAY AND HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP REDUCE, YOU KNOW, THE MOSS TITO POPULATION IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT? JUST REALLY, REALLY TRYING TO GET THOSE TRAPS OUT AND WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE LOCATIONS OF THE TRAPS. THEY ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IT IS REALLY GOING TO BE TRIAL AND ERROR. AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE COLLECTED THEM AND WHERE WE PLACE THEM THE NEXT TIME.

>> YES. ONE OF THE THINGS WITH, LIKE, WHERE WE ARE IDENTIFYING WHERE THE TRAPS ARE GOING.

THERE IS SO MUCH CITY PROPERTY AROUND VICTORIA.

WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE IT AS WELL. IF WE ARE GETTING MORE... A HIGHER CALL VOLUME IN A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE CITY THAT ISN'T WITHIN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS OF THOSE PHONE CALLS, WE CAN MOVE THAT TRAP OVER TO THERE. SO WE CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF MOSQUITOES ARE THERE AND IF THERE ARE ANY KIND

OF DISEASES. >> SO AGAIN, THIS WAS LAST YEAR.

LAST JUNE. SO AS OF LAST JUNE, YOU KNOW, WE SPRAYED THE CITY I THINK, FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES.

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AT THAT TIME, WE PUT OUT A HUNDRED DIFFERENT LARVICIDE TABLETS. WE WERE GETTING A FAIRLY DECENT AMOUNT OF RAIN DURING THIS UPDATE.

I CAN TELL YOU THIS YEAR, IT HASN'T BEEN AS BAD.

I THINK I CAN LET KIMBERLY SPEAK IT TO.

SHE CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN I HAVE.

THAN I. CAN WE DIDN'T SPRAY FOUR TIMES THIS YEAR. WE SPRAYED ONLY ONCE OR TWICE.

KIMBERLY CAN KIND OF TALK TO THE REST OF IT.

>> YES. SO WITH THAT INTEGRATED PLAN THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE SHARE WITH YOU ALL LAST YEAR, IT SHOWS THE SPECIFICATIONS OF WHEN WE SPRAY, SO IF WE DON'T MEET THAT MINIMUM ACCUMULATION OF RAINFALL, THEN WE DON'T GO OUT TO SPRAY.

THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WERE EXPECTING THE RAIN IS FALLING, WE NEED TO SPRAY. AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

WE NEED, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL INCHES OF ACCUMULATED WATER IN ORDER FOR THOSE MOSQUITOES TO LAY EGGS THAT JASON WAS TALKING ABOUT. BECAUSE IF YOU GO OUT AND SPRAY, THE MOSQUITOES CAN BUILD UP RESISTANCE TO THAT CHEMICAL, AND THEN WE HAVE TO SWITCH CHEMICALS OR YOU KNOW, SAME THING LIKE, WITH PEOPLE. HOW THEY SAY DON'T TAKE, YOU KNOW, MEDICATION JUST BECAUSE. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TO MOSQUITOES. YOU KNOW, IT KILLS OTHER INSECTS AS WELL. AND WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD UP THAT TOLERANCE. THERE IS A LOT OF CITIES MOVING AWAY FROM SPRAYING. EVEN AFTER ACCUMULATION OF

RAINFALL FOR THOSE REASONS. >> ALL RIGHT.

ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT I WILL MENTION IS WE DID UPDATE OUR MOSS KEY MAP... MOSQUITO MAP.

THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, AGAIN, THE PAPER AND PENCIL. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, COLORING, YOU KNOW, COLORING ON A MAP AND SAYING OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN FIT INTO A TWO-HOUR TIME FRAME. AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, WE WORKED WITH GIS.

OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENT. AND CAME UP WITH A BETTER MAP.

CAME UP WITH A CLEANER MAP. I CAN TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THAT I HAVE KIND OF CHALLENGED THE TEAM IS WHY CAN'T WE SPRAY ALL NIGHT? I MEAN, THERE IS NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS US FROM SPRAYING ALL NIGHT LONG. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT WE CURRENTLY DO IT, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE TRUCKS WITH THE SPRAYERS. WE END UP BRINGING IN OUR TEAM FOR TWO HOURS, THREE HOURS? ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO KNOCK OUT ONE OF THESE SECTIONS. SO TO SPRAY IS ENTIRE CITY OUT, IF IT HAD TO COME TO THAT, YOU ARE TALKING THREE DAYS BEFORE THE ENTIRE CITY WAS SPRAYED OUT. IF WE ARE CONTINUING TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME, YOU KNOW, WAY OF DOING THINGS.

VERSUS CAN WE JUST TAKE AN ENTIRE DAY OR AN ENTIRE NIGHT AND SPRAY THE CITY? THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. AS FAR AS JUST TRYING TO GET DOWN A BETTER EFFICIENCY FOR THE WAY THAT WE SPRAY.

>> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE STARTED WORKING ON BUT WEREN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, LUCKILY, DUE TO THE LACK OF RAINFALL, SORT OF THING. REALLY CREATING THOSE LARVICIDE MAPS. FINDING THOSE AREAS THAT HOLD THE WATER. WE DID NOT RECEIVE A LOT OF RAIN. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO SURVEY A LOT OF VICTORIA TO SEE WHERE THERE IS STANDING WATER.

WE CAN BE MORE PROACTIVE WITH LARVICIDE WHICH TAKES WAY LESS MANPOWER THAN IT DOES TO SPRAY THE WHOLE CITY, AS JASON WAS

TALKING ABOUT. >> YES, SIR.

>> IF YOU DID THE WHOLE THING IN ONE NIGHT, HOW MANY MAN HOURS DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO SPRAY?

>> WELL, THIS HAS 18 ZONES. IT TAKES ABOUT TWO HOURS FOR EACH ZONE. YOU ARE LOOKING AT 36 HOURS JUST

IN SPRAYING. >> RIGHT.

>> IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE CHEMICAL FILL-UP AND THE FUEL AND PREP AND POST WORK, I WOULD SAY... I MEAN, YOU ARE PROBABLY

LOOKING AT 45-50 HOURS MAX. >> AND WITH THE TWO-HOUR TIME SHIFTS, YOU KNOW, YOU ALLOT FOR GOING OUT, COMING BACK IN, DO DOING, YOU KNOW, THE CHANGING OF THE SHIFTS.

THAT TAKES TIME. THAT IS, LIKE, 15-20 MINUTES.

>> DO YOU EACH... >> RIGHT.

>> DO YOU HAVE THE TIME ADJUSTED AT NIGHT SO YOU... DO YOU SPRAY AROUND DUSK AND DAWN? BECAUSE YOU WANT TO AVOID OTHER INSECTS AND SPRAY AT NIGHT WHEN YOU CAN HIT THOSE INSECTS THAT ARE ACTIVE AT NIGHT? DO YOU NEED TO... CAN YOU REALLY USE ALL NIGHT IS GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING.

CAN YOU TAIL OFF BEFORE DAWN AND START A LITTLE BIT LATER?

>> YES. SO I MEAN, WE CAN GO OUT AND SPRAY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW. WE COULD PROBABLY GO OUT THERE

AT, LIKE, 8:00 AND SPRAY. >> I KNOW IT IS DARK FOR HOURS

NOW. >> RIGHT.

YEAH. TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WANT TO GO 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR AFTER SUNSET AND START SPRAYING

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AND STOP ABOUT THE SAME TIME. 30 MINUTES TO AN HOUR BEFORE.

TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF WIGGLE ROOM.

>> AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE BEES TO GET HOME AND IN THEIR BEDS SAFE AND SOUND SO THEY DON'T GET SPRAYED, THERE IS A LOT LESS PEOPLE OUT AT THAT TIME.

THERE IS NOT PEOPLE RUNNING OR CYCLING AS MUCH.

WE DON'T WANT TO SPRAY THEM WITH CHEMICALS.

MOST OF THE MOSQUITOES ARE OUT AT NIGHTTIME.

THAT WAS THE FINAL PIECE. THERE IS JUST A LARGER POPULATION OF MOSQUITOES AT NIGHTTIME VERSUS DAYTIME.

WE ARE ABLE TO GET MORE OF THE POPULATION.

>> YUP. >> YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT ONE SPECIES THAT IS MORE ACTIVE DURING THE DAY.

ARE THEY ALSO ACTIVE AT NIGHT? DO WE NOT USE SPRAY TO CONTROL THAT? THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF

MOSQUITO? >> SO THEY ARE JUST NOT AS ACTIVE IS MY UNDERSTANDING. WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY OF THEM.

THE POPULATION IS LESS. YOU STILL WILL GET THOSE BITING MOSQUITOES DURING THE DAYTIME. IT WON'T BE AS... YOU KNOW, IT WON'T BE AS ANNOYING, IF YOU WILL.

AT 7:30 AT NIGHT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SPRAY, DO THEY PUT THE DUNKS OUT?

HOW DO Y'ALL DO THAT? >> SO...

>> I'M SORRY. >> HOW DO YOU PUT THE DUNKS?

>> CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT, WOULD YOU?

>> WITH SLING-SHOTS IS MY FAVORITE FORM.

I CAN'T THROW VERY FAR. THAT IS THE NEXT BEST.

I JOKE. BUT I DON'T.

SERIOUSLY, IT IS MULTIPLE... YOU HAVE TYPICALLY TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN A VEHICLE. AND YOU DRIVE AROUND AND YOU SAY LOOK, HERE IS A BIG POOL OF STANDING WATER.

YOU ESTIMATE THE SIZE OF THE POOL.

BASED ON WHAT TYPE OF LARVICIDE YOU ARE USING, BECAUSE THERE IS ALL DIFFERENT SIZES, THERE IS, LIKE, THE GRANULES AND THEN YOUR TABLETS. IT WILL DEPEND UPON HOW MANY TABLETS YOU PUT IN OR IF YOU SHAKE THE GRANULES IN THERE.

FOR REALLY LARGE BODIES OF WATER, LIKE THE PONDS AND STUFF YOU CAN'T GET INTO, YOU SLING-SHOT IT.

IT WAS REALLY FUN. >> YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT IT IF YOU DON'T GO AND DO IT.

RIGHT? KIMBERLY WENT OUT AND USED HER

SLING-SHOT TO THROW... >> I BORROWED KIM'S.

YEAH. >> SHE CAME PREPARED.

>> BUT YEAH. LIKE KIMBERLY HAD MENTIONED, WE TRY TO BE PROACTIVE WITH THE LARVICIDING.

THAT IS THE FIRST STEP. ANY KIND OF STAGNANT WATER THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE THOSE DUNKS.

THOSE DUNKS ON HAND. BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS. IT IS REALLY JUST GETTING THE TEAM ON TOP OF IT AND REALLY TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE WITH IT.

>> CAN YOU USE THOSE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY?

>> YES. >> DO YOU ASK PERMISSION?

HOW DO YOU DO THAT? >> WE ONLY USE THEM ON CITY PROPERTY. THEN WE REALLY ENCOURAGE AND RECOMMEND HOME OWNERS OR RENTERS IF YOU ARE USING THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN GO OUT TO ANY OF, LIKE, THE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORES AND GET MOSQUITO DUNKS. THEY LOOK LIKE DOUGHNUTS.

THEY ARE, LIKE, THIS BIG. YOU CAN BREAK THEM APART INTO THE APPROPRIATE SIZE THAT YOU NEED.

LIKE, IF YOU JUST DO NOT HAVE TIME TO CLEAN OUT YOUR GUTTERS, BUT YOU KNOW YOUR GUTTERS ARE, YOU KNOW, BREEDING MOSQUITOES, YOU CAN BREAK UP THE DUNKS AND PUT PIECES IN THERE.

INSTEAD OF PUTTING A WHOLE DUNK IN THERE.

THAT IS ONLY IF IT IS CLOGGED UP.

IF IT IS MOVING WATER, MOSQUITOES WILL NOT BE LAID THERE. SO ONLY STAGNANT.

>> WELL, PART OF THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE IS ACTUALLY GOING OUT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER SITES TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY MAY BE SEEEEING. SO I KNOW YOU RECENTLY RAN INTO THAT. RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU... CAN YOU PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE?

>> WE WERE GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM A SPECIFIC AREA.

WE HADN'T HAD ANY RAIN IN A WHILE.

I MEAN, WE KEPT GETTING PHONE CALLS.

WE WENT OUT TO THE AREA FROM THE LADY THAT CALLED.

AND WE DROVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WALKED THAT STREET.

TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY MOSQUITOES WERE BITING US.

THERE IS, LIKE, ALL SORTS OF REALLY... YOU LEAVE THE DOORS OPEN. WHEN YOU GET BACK IN, YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY MOSQUITOES HAVE COME INSIDE THE TRUCK.

THERE IS ALL THESE REALLY NEAT LITTLE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO TEST HOW MANY MOSQUITOES ARE IN THE AREA.

WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? AND THEN WE ALSO SURVEYED THE AREA AS WELL. WHERE IS THERE, LIKE, BIG CHUNKS OF PROPERTY? WE LOOK AT AERIAL MAPS.

YOU KNOW, WHO HAS POOLS? WHO HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR STANDING WATER? THEN WE REALLY TRY TO PINPOINT WHERE IT IS. THEN WE CAN HELP GO AND EDUCATE AND YOU KNOW, WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT TO BE, LIKE, HEY, THERE IS A LOT OF DEBRIS. THERE IS CLOGGED STORM DRAINS.

THINGS LIKE. THAT THEY LIVE IN THE STORM DRAINS. THERE IS A LOT OF FACTORS THAT WE LOOK INTO. WE ARE LIKE DETECTIVES.

IT IS SO COOL. SO TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

>> BASICALLY, YOU ARE ABLE TO FIND A SOURCE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO PUT A SOURCE FOR STANDING WATER.

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>> NOT REALLY. THERE WAS, LIKE, A BIG FIELD.

IT WAS A POTENTIAL BY A STORAGE UNIT.

A BUNCH OF STORAGE UNITS. THAT HAD THE POTENTIAL TO

POSSIBLY BE HOLDING WATER. >> A SUSPECT.

>> WE DIDN'T... THERE WASN'T REALLY MOSQUITOES OUT THE.

WE DIDN'T GET BIT UP A LOT. >> OH.

>> REALLY ANY. BECAUSE WHAT IS IT? FIVE OR SIX MOSQUITO LANDS IN A PERIOD.

YOU GET TO STAND OUT THERE AND BE THE TESTER.

WE WEREN'T... THERE WAS NO MOSQUITOES IN THE TRUCK OR ON US. WE DID NOT RUN INTO THAT SAME PROBLEM. WE WERE, LIKE, WE THINK IT IS THIS FIELD BY THIS STORAGE UNIT, BUT WE DIDN'T COME ACROSS ANY MOSQUITOES. WE WALKED.

WE DIDN'T SEE ANY WATER. >> WHAT IT ALLOWS US TO DO IS MAKE CONNECTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEY SEE US GOING OUT THERE. THEY CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR TEAM. AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE MAY BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY, SOMETIMES WE MAY NOT.

YOU KNOW, A SOURCE OF THE MOSQUITO BREEDING.

AND SO YOU KNOW, I HAVE HAD OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE WORKED BEFORE... IT HAS COME OUT THE OTHER WAY.

WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ON SOME OF THE WEEDY LOTS BEHIND THIS RESIDENT'S HOUSE.

AND THAT IS WHERE HER ISSUES WERE COMING FROM.

FROM THE NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND AT LEAST BE ABLE TO BE THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND LET THEM KNOW THEY HAVE THAT AVAILABILITY.

>> AWESOME. WELL, I'LL END IT WITH THE

MOSQUITO. >> RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT IS REAL ARE INTERESTING.

>> IT REALLY IS. YES.

IT REALLY IS FASCINATING. EVEN, LIKE, THE TRAPS, THE WAY YOU HAVE TO DO SOME OF THE TRAPS... SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAPS. WE HAVE A TRAP WITH THE STANDING WATER TO WHERE YOU ARE GETTING THOSE FEMALE MOSQUITOES TO COME IN. AND THEN WE HAVE THE LIGHT TRAP WHICH YOU CAN... THAT IS NIGHTTIME.

OVERNIGHT. YOU CAN DO JUST THE LIGHT.

BUT WHEN WE TESTED IT, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE LIGHT ATTRACTS ALL

INSECTS AT NIGHTTIME. >> YOU ADD IN THE DRY ICE ELEMENT, IT HAS THAT... THE SUBLIMATION OF THE DRY ICE RELEASE IT IS CARBON DIOXIDE. THAT ATTRACTS THE BITING MOSQUITOES. THE FEMALE MOSQUITOES LOOKING FOR THE HOST FOR BLOOD. IT MIMICS THAT.

YOU GET WAY MORE INFLUX OF FEMALE MOSQUITOES THAN YOU DO

ALL THE OTHER INSECTS. >> THAT IS WHAT YOU USE.

DRY ICE AS BAIT. THAT IS GREAT.

>> WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? >> THERE IS, LIKE, WEBINARS AND EVERYTHING ON THIS STUFF. IT IS CRAZY.

I LOVE IT. >> YEAH.

>> WOW. VERY INTERESTING.

WE ARE GOING TO NERD OUT ON PARKS AND REC AS MUCH AS

POSSIBLE. >> I LOVE IT.

>> GIVE US THE PLATFORM. >> IT IS GREAT.

YEAH. IF I'M EVER HUNTING MOSQUITOES, I'LL REMEMBER DRY-ICE. AWESOME.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> YEAH.

IT IS ALWAYS FUN TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, IT HAS BEEN A YEAR, TOO. IT IS GOOD TO GET BACK OUT IN

FRONT OF EVERYBODY. >> I HAD A CALL RECENTLY ABOUT THAT. I'LL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK.

[2. Parks & Recreation department updates]

ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT UPDATE?

>> AWESOME. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND RUN THROUGH THIS. PARKS AND RECREATION DIVISION AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. I WANTED TO SEND.

THIS I THOUGHT THIS WAS A COOL PICTURE.

WE GET TO GO TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES AT TIMES.

JUST REALLY DEPENDING ON THE YEAR.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I LOVE WHAT YOU DO AT RIVERSIDE PARK.

>> YOU LIKE THAT? THOSE CONSERVATION AREAS.

RIGHT? >> WORKING OVER THERE.

>> WE WERE KIND OF ABLE... WE MOVED A LOT IN OCTOBER.

YEAH. AS FAR AS CONFERENCES ARE CONCERNED. WE HAD FOLKS THAT WENT TO NRPA.

THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION.

WE HAD OUR SPORTSTERS. A MANAGER WENT TO A SPORTS CONFERENCE IN FLORIDA. AND THEN I WAS SELECTED TO GO TO PARKS AND RECREATION SUMMIT IN TUCSON.

THAT IS A PICTURE OF TUCSON, ARIZONA FOR YOU.

IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE, IT IS A PRETTY COOL SPOT.

I WAS ABLE TO CHECK OUT THE TRAILS THAT THEY HAVE.

I THOUGHT ABOUT BIKING. AND ALL SORTS OF STUFF.

I REALLY HAD MY MIND GOING. IT WAS A REALLY FUN CONFERENCE.

I WAS ABLE TO... IT WAS A CONFERENCE WHERE WE HAD 50 DIRECTORSSSISTANT DIRECTORS FROM ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT WERE ABLE TO MEET AND JUST CHAT FOR TWO DAYS ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES AND SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE GOING ON WITH PARKS AND REC. WITHIN THE PARKS AND RECREATION

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INDUSTRY. AND SPECIFICALLY, WITHIN THEIR CITY. SO ANYWAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF A COOL PICTURE. I DIDN'T HAVE PICTURES OF STEVE HOLDING UP A BIG TROPHY LIKE LAST MONTH.

>> I COULD HAVE. >> OH, WELL, SEE IN.

>> BECAUSE STEVE AND I WENT TO A COASTAL PRAIRIES CONFERENCE IN CLEAR LAKE. AT THE END OF OCTOBER.

KIM AND STEVE WERE THE FIRST AND THIRD MOST INTERACTIVE PARTICIPANTS ON THE CONFERENCE APP.

SO STEVE IS NOW A STATE CHAMP OF ENGAGEMENT FOR THE COASTAL PRAIRIE CONFERENCE. AND KIM CAME IN THIRD.

TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT UNTIL RIGHT NOW.

SHOUT-OUT TO THEM. STEVE VERY COMPETITIVE.

>> YES. OKAY.

WE WILL GET INTO PARKS AND REC. II WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE PARK'S MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT WE WERE TAKING PLACE.

ACTUALLY, SOME OF THIS STUFF WILL BE ON THE PROJECT SIDE AS WELL. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE RENOVATIONS OF TED B REID. THEY REMOVED THE OLD PLAYGROUND.

THE COMPANY CAME IN AND THEY INSTALLED THIS NEW EQUIPMENT THAT YOU SEE ON THE TOP RIGHT-HAND CORNER.

AND THEN THE PARKS MAINTENANCE DIVISION HAS BEEN GOING IN AND KIND OF CLEANING OUT, DOING SOME SMALL STUFF FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO COME BACK IN AND PUT THE WOOD FIBER IN.

THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING PRETTY HARD ON THAT.

PROBABLY A GOOD COUPLE OF WEEKS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS ABOUT THE R.V. PARK, YOU MAY SEE A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE. WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE R.V. PARK. REMEMBER, WE SHUT IT DOWN AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER. WE OPENED IT BACK UP ON NOVEMBER 1. WE MADE SOME CHANGES.

WE DID SOME UPDATES. WE ADDED SOME WOODEN POSTS TO THE LEAK ELECTRICAL BOXES. WE RENOVATED THE OLD BOXES AND UPDATED THOSE. WE PLANTED SOME TREES.

OVER AT THE R.V. PARK. WE HAVE REMOVED... WE CLEANED UP A LOT. WE ARE STILL AWAITING SOME SIGNS TO COME IN. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADD THOSE TO THE PARK AS WELL. PART OF THE... THE BIGGEST PART OF IT WAS THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

BEFOREHAN, PEOPLE COULD JUST GO UP TO THE R.V. PARK.

IT WAS A SELF-PACED STATION. IT WAS A TRUST SYSTEM.

PEOPLE EITHER PAID OR THEY DIDN'T.

WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH THAT. THE BIGGEST CHANGE RIGHT NOW IS PEOPLE HAVE TO COME TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION OFFICE.

FIRST. BEFORE THEY GO TO THE R.V. PARK.

THEY CAN GO TO THE PARK, BUT ALL THOSE SPACES, ALL THE ELECTRICAL BOXES ARE LOCKED. NOBODY CAN JUST... I MEAN, THEY CAN BREAK INTO THEM IF THEY WANT TO.

YOU HAVE TO TRY AT LEAST. SO WHAT THAT HAS DONE IS IT HAS HELPED US OUT. WE ARE ABLE TO CAPTURE MORE INFORMATION FROM THE GUESTS THAT WE HAVE AT THE R.V. PARK.

WE HAVE ALSO BEEN ABLE O'COMMUNICATE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND INTERACT WITH THEM MORE, TOO.

IT IS INTERESTING. F I HEARD TWO ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS TALKING TO A COUPLE OUT AT THE R.V. PARK TO MAKE PAYMENT. WE HAVE THE INTERACTION NOW.

THAT IS REALLY COOL. IF YOU GO BY THERE, THE R.V.

PARK HAS GOTTEN A FACE-LIFT. AND SO I HOPE YOU GO BY AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND YOU GO, YEAH, JASON.

THEY DO A GOOD JOB. WE DID GOOD.

>> AND PUBLIC WORKS... >> I'M SORRY.

PUBLIC WORKS SHOUT-OUT. >> YEAH.

THEY. >> KIM: OUT AND THEY FILLED A BUNCH OF POT HOLMES AND LEVELED SOME OF THE STUFF.

WHILE IT WAS CLOSED. HUGE DEAL.

THANK YOU, PUBLIC WORKS. >> YUP.

>> IS THERE ANY PLANS FOR A REST ROOM OR SHOWER HOUSE THERE AT

THE PARK? >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I THINK WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR, LIKE, WORKSHOP AND WE START TO TALK ABOUT SOME CIP PROJECTS, LET'S LOOK AT THAT.

BECAUSE THAT IS AN AREA THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE MASTER PLAN.

ABOUT UPDATING THAT. LET'S CONTINUE THAT

CONVERSATION. >> DID Y'ALL PUT A LOCK ON THE

DUMP STATION? >> NO.

WE REMOVED THE BIG ONE AND MADE IT A SMALLER DUMPSTER.

PART OF WHAT WE WANTED WAS TO HAVE THE DOORS OF THE TOP LO

LOCKED. >> NO.

THE DUMP STATION FOR THE R.V.S. >> OH, THE DUMP STATION.

I GOTCHA. I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING NOW.

THE OTHER DUMP STATION. OKAY.

NO, MA'AM. WE HAVEN'T LOCKED THAT UP.

THAT IS A GOOD POINT, THOUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY... WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.

>> THERE IS A FEE ON IT. >> YEAH, YEAH.

WE NEED TO ALSO DO A BETTER JOB OF JUST POLICING IT.

THAT WAS CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE PARKS DIVISION FOR THE WEEKENDS. THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

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I'LL MAKE SURE WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

LET'S SEE. SPLASH PADS, WE CLOSED THEM DOWN. WE CLOSED THEM AT THE END OF OCTOBER FOR THE SEASON. AND SO YEAH.

>> CAN WE BACK UP TO TED B REED? >> SURE.

>> THAT PLAYGROUND IS SUPER DUPER AWESOME.

RIGHT NOW, EVEN IN ITS CURRENT STATE OF UNFINISHED, IT IS

AMAZING. >> THANK YOU.

>> DO YOU HAVE A FINISH DATE? I KNOW THE RAIN COULD BE MESSING

WITH YOU ON THAT. >> YES, MA'AM.

WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE IT OPEN BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER. HOPEFULLY, IT IS GOING TO BE SOONER THAN THAT. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE SHOOTING FOR. THE END OF THIS MONTH.

>> ALSO I NOTICED ON THE HANDBALL COURT, YOU NOW HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS "RACQUETBALL" AND HANDBALL COURT.

IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE IT MORE RACQUETBALL FEASIBLE?

>> IT IS TERRIBLE TO PLAY RACQUETBALL.

THAT BALL GOES OVER ALL THE TIME.

YOU CAN'T PLAY OFF THE BACK WALL FOR NOTHING IN THERE.

>> I COMPLETELY AGREE. >> I DIVE WHEN I PLAY HANDBALL.

I GO RIGHT INTO THAT SIDEWALK. (LAUGHTER).

>> ALSO THERE, USED TO BE DOORS ON THERE.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE SEEN DOORS THIS WEEK.

ON THE COURT. >> I HAVE NEVER SEEN DOORS

THERE. >> YEAH.

I HAVEN'T EITHER. THERE USED TO BE DOORS THERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE.

I TOOK SOME PICTURES OUT THERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.

I COULD HAVE SWORN THERE WAS DOORS.

>> OKAY. >> SO IS THERE ANY POSSIBLY...

POSSIBLE WAYS OF RAISING THAT BACK WALL?

>> HAS THE REALLY THE ONLY FREE RACQUETBALL COURT IN TOWN.

>> YEAH. >> OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER SOMEWHERE AT THE Y. THAT IS THE ONLY OTHER PLACE I

KNOW TO PLAY. >> YEAH.

I'M NOT SURE HOW HIGH WE WOULD NEED TO... I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE STANDARDS FOR THOSE. WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET IT TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OR ADEQUATE

LEVEL. >> YEAH.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE OTHER WALLS THAT ARE REAL HIGH THERE.

>> OKAY. >> THE BACK WALL IS THE SHORT

WALL. >> YEAH.

WE WILL LOOK INTO IT. FOR SURE.

LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT AREA, TOO. AND ALL THE UPDATES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON AT TED B REED. OKAY.

>> JASON, BACK TO THE R.V. PARK. OFF MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT POLICY. DID YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND POSSIBLY CHANGE THE FEE STRUCTURE AND THE DURATION

OF THE STAY? >> YES.

SO THE FEE STRUCTURE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CHANGE COMPLETELY YET. I WAS ABLE TO TALK WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR, AND WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. I THINK IT IS A MATTER OF TAKING IT TO COUNSEL AT THIS POINT. SO YES, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE FEE STRUCTURE. WHAT WAS YOUR OTHER QUESTION?

I APOLOGIZE. >> LENGTH OF STAY.

THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THAT. >> YES.

SO WE HAVE... WE LOOKED AT IT. WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT TOO HARD. THERE IS STILL 30 DAYS.

WE STILL HAVE THE... THE DEPARTMENT STILL HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVER OR GIVE A WAIVER TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO STAY LONGER. IS FROM A RECOMMENDATION THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE AS FAR AS LENGTH OF STAY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE?

>> I DEFER TO ASHLEY. DO YOU KNOW?

>> WELL, I THINK... I MEAN, I'M GOOD WITH 0 DAYS AS LONG AS IT'S NOT... 30 DAYS. DID YOU CHANGE YOUR PROCEDURES AND POLICIES FOR THE PEOPLE STAYING THERE? NO MORE COUCHES. NO MORE VEHICLES.

THINGS LIKE THAT. >> RIGHT.

YES. SO YES.

WE DID. WE DID CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. TO KIND OF CLEAN IT UP, IF YOU WILL. PART OF IT, TOO, IS THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON WITH OUR PARKS TEAM RIGHT NOW. REALLY HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT STUFF? OVER THE WEEKENDS.

AND THEN AFTER HOURS. AND SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. I THINK SO FAR, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES WITH IT. NOT THAT I HAVE BEEN AWARE OF.

>> IF I EVER SEE ANYTHING ON THE WEEKEND, I'LL CONTACT Y'ALL.

>> OKAY. WELL, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ON STAFF THAT WORK ON THE WEEKENDS.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

HOW WE CAN USE THOSE FOLKS TO KIND OF BE THE SECURITY, IF YOU

WILL, TO AN EXTENT. >> THEY DO A GOOD JOB ON THE

WEEKENDS. >> THEY DO.

>> I MEAN, THEY ARE BY THEMSELVES.

>> YUP. >> THEY DO A GOOD JOB.

EDUCATE ME, I DON'T KNOW. THE 30 DAYS IS TO ATTRACT WINTER

TEXANS? >> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE 30 DAYS WAS TO REDUCE THE POTENTIAL FOR LONG STAY.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE FOR FOUR MONTHS THAT IS IN THE R.V. PARK. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE ASKING?

>> WELL, I WAS THINKING THE 0 DAYS WAS A LONG TIME.

I'M THINKING NOW, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE R.V. PARK, THE NUMBER OF SLOTS THERE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW COULD WE USE THOSE SPOTS REALLY TO PROMOTE AND SUPPORT SPORTS TOURISM AND EVENTS.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW OFTEN DO PEOPLE REALLY STAY 30 DAYS? IS THAT 0-DAY ALLOWABLE STILL A CURRENT NEED?

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>> RIGHT. WELL, I COULD SAY THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FEES, THAT MAY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT STAY THAT LONG-TERM. THAT 30 DAYS.

GOING FROM $12 TO POTENTIALLY $20 A NIGHT MAY BE ENOUGH OF AN IMPACT FOR THEM TO MOVE. THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THAT WE DEAL... I THINK WE DEAL A LOT WITH, FROM WHAT I GET, PEOPLE THAT COME HERE FROM OUT OF TOWN TO WORK.

THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE HAVE THAT... YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE END UP AT? WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO COMES IN FROM OUT OF TOWN. THEY MAY LEAVE ON THE WEEKEND.

THEY WANT TO LEAVE THEIR CAMPER THERE.

THEY ARE NOT THERE. PER SE.

BUT IT IS STILL BEING RESERVED. SO I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THAT 30 DAYS WAS THERE. TO HELP KIND OF WITH THAT CONCERN. WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS SPORTS TOURISM.

>> COULD THEY CHECK OUT FOR A DAY AND THEN RETURN FOR ANOTHER

30 DAYS? >> THEY CANNOT STAY... I DON'T KNOW THE RULE EXACTLY. IT IS NO MORE THAN 30 DAYS WITHIN A SIX-MONTH TIME PERIOD. RIGHT? YOU GET TWO MONTHS BASICALLY OUT OF THE YEAR THAT YOU COULD STAY

AT THE R.V. PARK. >> IF YOU ARE TRYING TO UTILIZE IT FOR SPORTS TOURISM, WE FOUND THAT IT IS MOSTLY BOOKED THE WHOLE TIME. IT IS NOT AVAILABLE.

DURING, LIKE, THE VICTORIA OPEN IN FEBRUARY AND OTHER TOURNAMENTS I COULD SPEAK TO. AS FAR AS OTHER EVENTS, I DON'T

KNOW. >> I GUESS WHERE I'M LANDING IS WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OR THE MISSION OF THE R.V. PARK? IS IT TO PROMOTE PARKS AND REC? I MEAN, IT IS UNDER YOUR DEPARTMENT. I GET.

THAT IT IS TO PROMOTE THE CITY? YOU SAID PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE TO WORK HERE. TO ME, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN SUPPORTING PARKS AND REC. AGAIN, LIKE, WHAT IS THE MISSION OF IT, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT?

>> LIKE A TOURIST ATTRACTION MAYBE?

>> I'M WONDERING HOW WE GOT THERE.

BECAUSE THIS IS JUST COMING UP. THE PAST FEW MEETINGS.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FEES AND DURATION AND ALL OF THAT.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

BECAUSE WE DON'T... A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE HAVE THOSE SAME QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE PURPOSE? HONESTLY. YOU KNOW, THE MASTER PLAN, YES, IT IDENTIFIES IT AS BEING AN AREA, OBVIOUSLY, FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND RECREATE AND STAY. IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT EXPANSION IN THE MASTER PLAN. HOW FAR DO WE WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT? WHAT IS THE TRUE PURPOSE OF IT? I THINK THAT IS JUST A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AS A GROUP TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE US A BETTER DIRECTION ON WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AT THE R.V. PARK.

>> I AGREE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. PROVIDING AN R.V. PARK FOR HOUSING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

IN MY MIND. >> SURE.

>> I THINK IT COULD DEPEND ON THE WORK YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT INTO IT AT THAT MOMENT ALSO. SO IF YOU ARE JUST... YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE GOING ALL OUT AND SAYING IT IS FOR SPORTS, BUT THEN, YOU ARE LIKE, WE ARE KIND OF QUICHING IT ON THE BACK RIGHT NOW FOR SOME SORT OF PASSIVE MONEY COMING IN, WE ARE JUST PUTTING SMALL WORK INTO. YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT IS JUST DIFFERENT BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO AT THAT MOMENT.

>> SURE. >> THOSE 30 DAYS ARE GOOD IF WE ARE NOT PUTTING, LIKE, A BUNCH OF MARKETING AND WORK INTO SPECIFICALLY MAKING IT FOR SPORTS TOURISM.

OR THEN IF YOU ARE, LIKE, OKAY, WE ARE GOING ALL-OUT FOR SPORTS TOURISM, YOU MIGHT APPROACH IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE,

THEN. >> RIGHT.

>> FOR SPORTS, YOU WOULD BE STAYING THREE TO FIVE DAYS MAYBE. A MAX.

FOR THE... >> YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN THE...

HOW MUCH HAVE THEY BEEN ASKING? ARE THEY CALLING AND ASKING A LOT TO STAY THERE? ARE THEY EVEN INQUIRING ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW?

>> RIGHT. YEAH.

I WAS THINKING KIND OF THE SAME THING.

THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. YOU KNOLL, MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO... WE NEED TO IDENTIFY SOME SPORTING EVENTS THAT COULD BRING IN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL R.V., YOU KNOW, GUESTS. AND REACH OUT TO THEM.

TO SEE IF THAT COULD BE AN OPTION FOR THEM.

LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE GOLF TOURNAMENT THAT WE HAVE IN FEBRUARY. YEAH.

WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

I MEAN, IT IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KEEP HAVING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT INFOR INFORMATION... WOULD THAT HELP AT ALL? IF WE WERE TO REACH OUT TO SOME SPORTING EVENTS? THE LARGER ONE THAT IS WE HAVE IN RIVERSIDE PARK AT LEAST TO

START WITH? >> THEY CAN PRE-BOOK.

IF IT IS AVAILABLE. THEY CAN PRE-BOOK.

>> IT GOES BACK TO WHAT IS THE MISSION OF THE R.V. PARK.

>> YEAH. >> THAT IS THE THING THAT IS BAFFLING TO ME. WHY DO WE HAVE THIS THING? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS? I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT.

>> I DON'T. >> IT ALMOST NEEDS ITS OWN

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PERSON AND AN OFFICE OVER THERE TO GIVE IT ALL THE ATTENTION.

>> I AGREE. >> I HAVE THINK INCREASING IT, THOUGH, FROM $360 A MONTH TO $600, IT WOULD DETER A LOT OF LONG-TERM STAYS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT.

SO I THINK THAT THAT IS ONE GOOD THING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED MONTH-STAYS.

TWO-WEEK STAYS MIGHT BE GOOD ENOUGH.

>> YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, COMMISSIONER REPKA.

PRE-BOOKING. WITH OUR NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO.

GET THE PARK ON-LINE. TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST PREBOOK ON-LINE. THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WE HAVE COMING INTO THE OFFICE.

SO MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WHERE WE PREBOOK AND WE HAVE CERTAIN BLOCKS, IF YOU, WILL THAT ARE OUT. BUT YEAH.

WE CAN DEFINITELY... I CAN PUT THIS ON A LINE... NEXT AGENDA IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE

WORKSHOP. >> AND IF WE GET A PARK HOST,

THAT WOULD BE GOOD THERE, TOO. >> HOW MANY SPOTS ARE THERE?

>> 18. >> OKAY.

NOT A LOT. >> NO.

>> OKAY. >> USUALLY GET PACKED? I MEAN, HAVE YOU EVER KNOWN IT... YES?

SELLOUT. >> USUALLY BOOKED.

TOTALLY. >> OKAY.

>> WE ALSO HAVE A SLIDE COMING UP THAT IS GOING TO SHOW WHAT THE LAST THREE YEARS OF THE R.V. PARK HAS LOOKED LIKE.

>> OH, WOW. >> PERFECT SEGUE.

>> STAY TUNED. >> SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. REALLY.

IF THERE IS, IF THERE IS... DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THIS ON A WORKSHOP? WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE VISION FOR

THIS, FOR THE PARK. >> YES, PLEASE.

>> OKAY. OKAY.

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION, JASON. >> YES, SIR.

>> WE TALK ABOUT HOW MANY DAYS YOU CAN STAY.

>> YES, SIR. >> YOU KNOW, MAYBE I MISSED IT.

WHEN DO YOU COLLECT? BEFORE OR AFTER THEY LEAVE?

>> SO THEY COLLECT BEFOREHAND. THEY WILL COME IN.

THEY WILL TELL US HOW LONG THEY PLAN ON STAYING.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THE NEW POLICIES THAT WE UPDATED.

>> I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT SOME LEAVE WITHOUT PAYING.

OR SOME DON'T PAY. >> RIGHT.

>> MAYBE PAY BEFORE YOU LEAVE. IF THEY STAY FOR A WEEK, PAY FOR A WEEK. THEY STAY A WEEK AND ONE DAY,

THEN WAIT A MINUTE. >> RIGHT.

AND PART OF US HAVING THE NEW POLICY AND HAVING THEM COME IN, WE ARE ABLE TO GET A BETTER CONTACT INFORMATION THAN WHAT WE

HAD BEFORE. >> WITH THE LOCKS AS WELL.

SINCE THE ELECTRICAL BOXES ARE LOCKED, PEOPLE CAN STILL PULL UP ON THE WEEKENDS OR AT NIGHT. UNLESS THEY CUT THE LOCK, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PLUG IN.

IT IS NOT VERY ENJOYABLE. >> THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WORKING WITH THE FRONT DESK STAFF AND PARK STAFF.

FRIDAY AFTERNOON, THERE IS A LIST THAT IS GIVEN TO THE PARK STAFF THAT SAYS, THESE ARE OUR TENANTS.

THE R.V. GUEST THAT IS WE HAVE. HERE ARE THE SPACES.

THEN OVER THE WEEKEND, IF THEY SEE ANYTHING THAT POPS UP THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THAT SHEET, THEN THEY LET THAT ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT KNOW AFTER THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW,

GOTTEN SOME INFORMATION. >> AND YOU COME IN ON A WEEKEND?

>> AS OF RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN. THERE WON'T BE ANY ELECTRICITY.

YOU HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

>> YOU BOOK 48 HOURS IN ADVANCE, THOUGH.

>> IF WE HAVE, LIKE, IF WE KNOW AHEAD OF TIME AND THEY ARE ABLE TO PAY AHEAD OF TIME, WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY GO OUT

THERE AND LOCK THE BOX. >> THAT IS PART OF, AGAIN, WORKING WITH BETTER COMMUNICATION WITH THE FRONT DESK AND PARKS. .

>> Y'ALL GET ANY LEFTOVER TREES OR ANY OF THAT DONATED TO Y'ALL OR ANYTHING? WE SHOULD LINE THAT ENTIRE ROAD AND BLOCK ALL THAT SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO SEE IT AS THEY GO DOWN THAT ROAD. THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE.

IF WE COULD HAVE TREES WHEN YOU ARE DOWN THERE.

>> MORE TREES, YES. >> TREES, VINES.

FENCING. SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT PRETTY.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ALL YOU SEE IS R.V.'S.

THAT IS NOT PRETTY. LIKE, WHEN I GO CAMPINGS, I WANT

TO CAMP IN THE WOODS. >> RIGHT.

RIGHT. >> I'M NOT SURE IF THEY DO, TOO.

>> WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT IN, I THINK, SIX TREES.

LAST THURSDAY. I THINK IT WAS.

LAST WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY. WE DID ADD A COUPLE MORE TREES TO IT. YEAH.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN A TREE GETS TAKEN DOWK, THEY OWE ME THREE.

ROLANDO HAS NINE THAT HE OWES ME RIGHT NOW.

OTHER BYE, WITH PARKS MAINTENANCE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING IS REVIEWING THE PLAYGROUND SAFETY INSPECTIONS. THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST KIND OF KICK BACK UP AGAIN LAST WEEK.

OH, I FORGOT. THE DUCK POND.

FISH REMOVAL. HOW COULD I FORGET THAT? (LAUGHTER) WE HAD A REALLY GREAT FISH-FRY.

NO. I'M KIDDING.

YOU SEE THE PICTURE OF THE TWO TEAM MEMBERS.

THOSE GUYS. OOH.

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LITERALLY, THERE IS NOTHING TOED PALE.

THEY WERE LITERALLY PUSHING THEMSELVES THROUGH THE MUD.

THEY GOT ABOUT A HUNDRED FISH FROM THE MAIN DUCK POND AREA.

WE MOVED THEM OVER TO THE SECONDARY POND.

THAT IS ON THE GULF COURSE. ... GOLF COURSE.

THE TURTLES FOLLOWED. THE GEESE FOLLOWED.

WE ARE GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS ON PARKS MAINTENANCE? OKAY.

AND KIMBERLY? >> SO ON THIS SLIDE, WE HAVE SPORTS FACILITY RENTALS FROM THE LAST THREE YEARS.

THE THREE FISCAL YEARS. OCTOBER 1-SEPTEMBER 0.

IT KIND OF SHOWS WHERE WE ARE AT.

FOR LAST YEAR. THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION LAST MONTH ABOUT OUR NUMBERS. WE WERE, LIKE, LET'S JUST SHOW

HELP THE ALL. >> THE NUMBERS ON THE TOP INCLUDE THE TOURNAMENT? NOT THE TOURNAMENTS.

THE REGULAR LEAGUES PLAY, LIKE THE LITTLE LEAGUE AND... THAT PLAY REGULARLY. VERY O'THESE JUST TOURNAMENTS?

>> SO THIS SHOULD BE ALL FIELD RENTALS THAT WE HAVE REGARDLESS.

REGARDLESS IF IT IS A PRACTICE, A GAME OR A TOURNAMENT.

IDEALLY, IT SHOULD SHOW ALL OF THEM.

I DON'T THINK IT IS, THOUGH. BUT THAT IS WHAT OUR SOFTWARE SYSTEM SAYS. AND WE NEED TO USE IT.

. >> SO I SEE THE BIGGEST CHANGES BETWEEN 21 AND 22. WELL, YOU HAVE THAT GIANT 31 AND 57. 31 RENTALS OF THE STADIUM.

BASEBALL AND 57 FOR THE BASEBALL FIELD.

WHAT IS THE BIG... YOUR CURVE JUST WENT... YEAH.

>> WHAT WAS THAT? (LAUGHTER).

>> LITERALLY. >> THAT IS A REALLY GREAT

QUESTION. >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

>> YEAH. WE PULLED THOSE NUMBERS.

OUR SUPERINTENDENT SAID THE SAME THING.

ALL RIGHT. THOSE NUMBERS NEED TO BE HIGHER,

I THINK. >> YEAH.

>> IT GOES BACK TO... WE ARE USING DIFFERENT SOFTWARE SYSTEMS. PART OF WHAT WE ARE REVAMPING CURRENTLY IS OUR RECREATION SOFTWARE WHICH WOULD CAPTURE A LOT OF DATA, TOO. WE WILL HAVE BETTER INFORMATION,

HOPEFULLY, IN FUTURE MONTHS. >> YEAH.

I KNOW THAT THE SPORTS PLACES... IT GETS CROWDED.

>> IN '21, WE WERE STILL DEALING WITH COVID.

ANYWAYS, THIS IS INTERESTING. >> BUT THE SPORTS WAS ONE THING THAT WAS STILL ALLOWED TO GO, OUTDOOR SPORTING TOURNAMENTS.

THOSE WERE STILL... THOSE WERE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD THE

GREEN LIGHT DURING COVID. >> DID THEY PLAY BASEBALL STILL?

>> YES. THIS NEXT ONE I FEEL MORE

COMFORTABLE WITH. >> FORGET THAT OTHER SLIDE WE JUST SHOWED YOU. FOCUS ON THIS ONE.

>> MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT. SO THESE ARE THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS OF THE PAVILIONS, GAZEBOS, R.V. PARK.

THAT SHOWS THE NUMBER RENTED. FOR EACH PLACE.

FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR. >> THERE IS THE R.V. PARK.

>> MM-HMM. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEARD WITH THE R.V. PARK WAS THERE WAS A LOT.

>> PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT TO BE STAYING THERE.

BECAUSE OF JUST THE WAY IT WAS PERCEIVED.

THE LAST FEW... LIKE, PRIOR TO OCTOBER.

SO REALLY THAT SUMMER MONTH AND INTO THE BEGINNING OF FALL, WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T WANT TO COME AND STAY THERE. I THINK THAT REALLY IMPACTED OUR

RENTALS AS WELL. >> THEN YOU ALSO SEE AN UPTICK WITH COVID. PEOPLE WERE, I THINK, MOVING AROUND TO FIND... A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE ON THE ROAD.

>> I'M NOT SURE. >> READY TO GET BACK OUT.

>> THEY WERE. YOU COULD WORK REMOTELY.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS WHAT I REMEMBER WALKING BY DURING COVID. THAT WHOLE YEAR.

IT WAS BOOKED A LOT. MORE.

>> IS THE RIVERSIDE PARK PAVILION BY THE DUCK POND? AND THEN WHAT IS THE MULTI-USE PAVILION?

WHERE IS THAT? >> OVER AT COMMUNITY PARK IF THE. OVER BY THE YOUTH SPORTS COM COMPLEX. PICKLEBALL COURTS.

>> BACK COURTS. >> THANK YOU.

THE BASKETBALL COURTS. >> WITH THE COVER ON TOP.

>> OKAY. >> YES.

IT IS, LIKE, TECHNICAL TITLE, THE MULTIUSE PAVILION.

THE BASKETBALL COURTS. >> THE R.V. PARK NUMBERS, ARE

THOSE NIGHTS? >> MM-HMM.

>> OKAY. >> IT IS ABOUT 50% USED.

>> THE IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PROVIDE TO YOU ON A QUARTERLY BASIS? WOULD YOU JUST PREFER TO HAVE IT

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AT THE END OF THE YEAR? I KNOW THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT RENTALS. EVEN MONTHLY.

WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. >> PERSONALLY, EVERY SIX MONTHS MAYBE. I MEAN, I THINK EVERY MONTH IS A LOT OF WORK. QUARTERLY.

I DON'T KNOW WE WOULD SEE THAT MUCH CHANGE.

BUT MAYBE AT THE SIX-MONTH MARK. I COULD LIVE WITH ANNUALLY.

SO... >> US WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU THE DATA THAT YOU WANT TO SEE.

>> PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO USE THE PAVILIONS AS NEEDED.

RIGHT? USUALLY, IF PEOPLE WANT THE PAVILION, THEY ARE ABLE TO BOOK ONE.

RIGHT? >> MM-HMM.

>> WHAT IS THIS SLAB CALLED BETWEEN THE BALLPARK AND THE REST ROOM? THAT IS NOT ON HERE.

>> THE SPECIAL EVENTS AREA IS NOT LISTED ON HERE.

I'M NOT SURE WHY IT DOESN'T. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BECAUSE THE WAY OUR SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY SET UP TO WHERE IT IS BLOCKED.

WITH THE USE OF THE RIVERSIDE STADIUM.

I THINK THAT IS QUITE BIZARRE AS WELL.

THAT WILL BE FIXED IN OUR NEW SOFTWARE SYSTEM.

>> EVEN THE AMPHITHEATER WAS USED A LOT LAST YEAR.

VERSUS YEARS PAST AND THIS YEAR. >> THANK YOU, VICTORIA COMMUNITY

THEATER. >> YEAH.

RIGHT? OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? WE WILL LOOK AT... I MEAN, IF THERE IS OTHER HEAD NODS OR DIRECTION, WE WILL KEEP THIS FOR A YEARLY UPDATE. UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED.

COOL. AND KIMBERLY?

>> ALL RIGHT. RECREATION PROGRAMS AND EVENTS.

SO OCTOBER WAS A REALLY GREAT MONTH, AND NOVEMBER, WE ARE EXCITED FOR IT. IT IS A LOT OF PLANNING IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER. WE STILL HAVE OUR TENNIS CLINIC.

SENIOR CRAFTER NOON. WE WILL FINISH UP ADULT SOFTBALL AND KICKBALL. LAST WEDNESDAY, WE DID TREE-PLANTING AT THE R.V. PARK. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL.

AND THEN COMING UP, WE DO HAVE A TENNIS GAME DAY ON A WEEKEND.

WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. WE ARE HOPING FOR A NICE TURNOUT FOR ALL THOSE KIDS WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THE TENNIS CLIN TICK LAST FEW MONTHS. WE HAVE A YOUTH HUNTING PROGRAM NEXT TUESDAY. WE HAVE CHRISTMAS ON THE SQUARE FRIDAY DECEMBER 2. AND THEN WE HAVE CHRISTMAS PARADE OF LIGHTS SATURDAY DECEMBER 3.

EACH PERSON SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A HANGER FOR YOUR CAR.

THAT WILL GET YOU V.I.P. ACCESS ON FOREST STREET FOR THE PARKING FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. PLEASE PUT THAT ON YOUR REAR-VIEW MIRROR. HANG THAT THERE.

THAT WAY, RYAN WHO WILL BE WORKING THAT BARRICADE W WILL EASILY LET YOU IN. YOU CAN SEE MISS JESSICA IN THE V.I.P. AREA. SHE WILL HAVE HOT CHOCOLATE AND COFFEE. AND COOKIES.

AND GREATNESS FOR YOU. YOU ALL THERE AS A BIG THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT, BEING ON OUR COMMISSION.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE

PROGRAMS OR EVENTS? >> WE ARE... ALEX, ONE OF THE COORDINATORS, HE HAS GONE OFF TO SEE... TO SEEK OTHER DREAMS AND AMBITIONS. WE ARE DOWN A REC COORDINATOR RIGHT NOW. WE ARE HIRING.

>> OKAY. >> TO LET Y'ALL KNOW.

>> IN REGARD TO THE ARBOR TREE PLANTINGS, ARE Y'ALL ONLY DOING AT THE R.V. PARK? SIX TREES?

IS IT GOING TO BE A BIG ROLLOUT? >> SO THIS YEAR, IT WAS JUST AT THE R.V. PARK. FOR TEXAS ARBOR DAY.

NEXT YEAR, WE WILL DO SOMETHING BIGGER.

YUP. >> IT WAS A VERY LAST-MINUTE...

WE WEREN'T REALLY PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING FOR ARBOR DAY.

AND ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS NAST WE HAD WITH THE R.V. PARK WAS, HEY, WE NEED TO PLANT SOME TREES ANYWAY.

AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE SPONTANEOUS, WELL, HECK, LET'S ROLL IT INTO A QUICK ARBOR DAY. WE PUT SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA THE DAY BEFORE, I THINK. WE WEREN'T EXPECTING ANYTHING MAJOR. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE WERE PLANTING TREES. AND WE HAVE THE CROSSROADS THAT CAME OUT WITH THE VIDEO CAMERA. OR, LIKE, THE LOWEST PROMOTIONS THAT WE HAVE EVER PUSHED OUT. WE GOT... YOU KNOW, THE TV STATION THERE. BUT NONETHELESS, I MEAN, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. QUOTE, UNQUOTE.

IT WAS REALLY JUST TRYING TO GET THAT DAY RECOGNIZED IN SOME WAY,

SHAPE, OR FORM. >> ARE YOU GOING TO DO A BIGGER PLANT, LIKE, IN APRIL? LIKE, THROUGHOUT THE PARKS?

>> NO. WE WON'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE NEXT ARBOR DAY AS FAR AS, LIKE, A LARGE TREE-PLANTING.

WE WILL DO THE ONE-OFF TREE PLANTINGS HERE AND THERE.

LIKE I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER, THEY WILL DO SOME TREE-PLANTINGS THIS WINTER. NOTHING SIGNIFICANT.

MILNOT UNTIL NEXT FALL. >> ARE THERE STILL TREES

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LEFTOVER FROM THE LAST PURCHASE THAT AREN'T PLANTED YET?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> NO.

WE EITHER PLANTED THOSE OR... I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE GOT RID OF THOSE. OR HAD THEM ADOPTED.

BY FOLKS AT OTHER EVENTS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON RECREATION? NO?

>> NEXT MONTH WE WILL HAVE THE NUMBERS OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS WELL. FOR REC PROGRAMS. LIKE, THE NUMBER OF TEAMS, PARTICIPANTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> ONE PART OF... ONE THING I DID WANT TO MENTION TO YOU, AND IT WILL BE COMING OUT THROUGH COMMUNICATION AND EMAIL IS WE DO PLAN ON HAVING SOME RIBBON-CUTTINGS AND RIBBON-CUTTINGS AND GROUND-BREAKING CEREMONIES FOR THE DOG PARK AND TED B REED. WE HAVE THEODROS B REED SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 2 AT 9:00 A.M.

WE HAVE A DOG PARK GROUND-BREAKING CEREMONY SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 7 AT 2:00 P.M.

ALL OF THE INFORMATION WILL BE COMING OUT TO YOU VIA EMAIL AND WE WILL SEND OUT A CALENDAR INVITE AS WELL.

BUT ANYWAY, I WANTED TO THROW THAT ON YOUR RADAR SINCE WE ARE

TALKING RECREATION AND EVENTS. >> ON THIS SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE, ON PROGRAMS AND EVENTS, DIDN'T YOU HAVE A PICKLEBALL TOURNAMENT OR PICKLEBALL CLINIC?

PICKLEBALL SOMETHING GOING ON? >> NOT RECENTLY.

THERE WAS ONE OVER THE SUMMER. I BELIEVE.

>> THERE WAS A BIG ONE A WEEK OR TWO AGO.

IT WAS A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION, I THINK.

>> Y'ALL DID HAVE, LIKE, A PICKLEBALL INSTRUCTION THING.

I REMEMBER THAT. >> THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS NOT

RUN BY US. >> IN REGARD TO THAT PICKLEBALL COURT, IS IT A NEW THING? IS IT A REFUNNISHED...

REFURBISHED AREA? IT IS REALLY NICE.

IT IS REALLY NICE. >> THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

-THANK YOU. >> I DON'T WANT TO SAY UP-AND-COMING SPORT. IT IS DEFINITELY RIGHT THERE IN YOUR FACE. THAT PICKLEBALL.

>> IT IS HERE. >> IT IS CATCHING.

>> IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD PUT SOME PICKLEBALL AT THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN? LIKE TRACY OR TED B REED? IT IS BECOMING MY FAVORITE PARK. IT IS SO COOL.

IT IS SO AWESOME. >> IT IS A REAL ARE GREAT PARK.

NICE LITTLE WALKING TRAIL. GO GET ICE CRIME AFTER WARDS.

I LOVE ICE CREAM. >> YOU HAVE EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE. RIGHT?

>> YEAH. >> YES, MA'AM.

WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THROWING

SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS UP THERE. >> I MEAN, ISN'T IT REALLY JUST REFURBISHING. YOU HAVE TENNIS COURTS AT TRACY RIGHT NOUGAT. LIKE, FOUR.

YOU COULD MAKE FOUR COURTS OUT OF ONE TENNIS COURT.

MAYBE ONE OF THOSE COURTS COULD BE TRANSFORMED.

THAT WOULD BE SUPER AWESOME. YOU WOULD GET A LOT OF PLAY OUT

THERE. >> THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE DOING.

MAKING THEM, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO PLAY FOR BOTH.

TO TRULY MAKE THOSE MULTI-USE COURTS AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT COLOR LINES ON THERE. AND TEMPORARY NETS AVAILABLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.

>> I LIKE THAT... MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, IF THEY DO ANOTHER BASKETBALL COURT OR SOMETHING, I THINK WE DO HAVE THAT PAVILION.

ONE THING THAT PUTS A LOT OF GUYS OFF IS THE DAMAGE TO THEIR KNEES FROM PLAYING ON THE CONCRETE.

FROM JUMPING UP AND DOWN WITH BASKETBALL.

THIS IS IN THE FUTURE. HAVING SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT FLOORING, LIKE THEY DO ON THE TENNIS COURTS.

YOU KNOW, HAS THAT DIFFERENT FLOORING.

YOU KNOW? >> RIGHT.

>> AND I THINK THEY COULD EVEN DO IT OVER EXISTING CONCRETE.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE INSIDE A BUILDING OR ANYTHING.

BUT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FLOORING FOR BASKETBALL COURTS.

SIMILAR TO, LIKE, THEY WOULD DO ON A TENNIS COURT.

>> OKAY. >> I THOUGHT I WOULD THROW THAT

OUT THERE. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TRANSITIONING SOMETHING THAT IS EXISTING ALREADY. THEY HAVE THOSE FLOORS THAT GO ON THE EXISTING CONCRETE THAT WE HAVE OUTDOORS.

>> OKAY. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

WE DEFINITELY HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT PLAY BASKETBALL.

YOU KNOW? AND I THINK THAT IS THE BIGGEST ONE THAT WE HAVE. AT THE COMMUNITY PARK.

YEAH. WE CAN LOOK AT ALL OF.

THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT FLOORING AND SOME PICKLEBALL COURTS. AT LEAST INCORPORATING PICKLEBALL INTO THE CURRENT TENNIS COURTS THAT WE HAVE.

ABSOLUTELY. >> MAYBE STRIPING THAT

RACQUETBALL COURT AT TED B REED. >> YEAH.

WE HAVE THAT ON THE NOTES, TOO. OKAY.

AWESOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON RECREATION? PROGRAMS OR EVENTS? NO? ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL GET INTO THE DOMESTIC GE AND COMMUNITY CENTER REAL QUICK.

THEN CHAT ABOUT PROJECTS. SO HERE ARE THE OCTOBER STATS.

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OCTOBER IS GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN LAST OCTOBER. BECAUSE WE HAD THE FLOODING GOING ON LAST OCTOBER. WE HAD THE PARK CLOSED DOWN FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR A WEEK AND A HALF.

BUT NONETHELESS, THIS OCTOBER, THEY HAVE DONE REALLY WELL.

YOU CAN SEE THE YEAR TO DATE SALES IS 106,000.

WE HAD 11 TOURNAMENT ROUNDS. 3,100 TOTAL ROUNDS AT THE COURSE. SOME OF THE LARGER EVENTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN NOVEMBER, ARE RIGHT THERE LISTED ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. THE YOUTH HUNTING PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE. THAT IS GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE GOLF COURSE FOR ONE FULL DAY. BUT THEN WE WILL BE OPEN BACK UP THAT FOLLOWING DAY. THE YOUTH HUNTING PROGRAM IS ONLY GOING TO AFFECT US FOR ONE DAY AT THE COURSE.

HERE IS ALL THE REALLY GOOD NUMBERS.

THE GOLF COURSE STATS, SO WE HAVE THE GOLF ROUNDS ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. OCTOBER, AGAIN, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE COURSE, YOU KNOW, OPENED UP THE ENTIRE MONTH VERSUS CLOSING IT DOWN FOR THE FLOOD.

AND THE GOLF REVENUES ARE GOING TO BE THE SAME.

JUST BECAUSE OUR FISCAL YEAR STARTED IN OCTOBER.

EVERYTHING IS STARTING BACK OVER AGAIN.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GOLF COURSE?

>> JASON, WHAT IS THAT BIG JUMP BETWEEN THE END-OF-YEAR ROUNDS FOR '21 TO '22? IS THAT FROM 1945 TO AROUND...

>> SURE. THAT IS OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR

VERSUS OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. >> OH, THAT IS NOT YEAR TO DATE

ON THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN? >> I'M SORRY.

FAR RIGHT COLUMN. YEAH.

THE ROUNDS YEAR TO DATE, I APOLOGIZE.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE LPT EVERY OCTOBER 1, OUR FISCAL SHEET STARTS OVER AGAIN. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING OFF OF

BY THE YEAR TO DATE ROUNDS. >> IT IS THE SAME MONTH.

>> OH. BECAUSE WE STARTED OVER.

>> IT STARTS OVER. YEVMENT YUP.

LAST YEAR, I THINK WE WERE AT, LIKE, 32,000.

OR 31,000. SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE FOR THE YEAR. .

>> ALL RIGHT. >> YES, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE GOLF COURSE? OKAY. COMMUNITY CENTERS HAVE BEEN DOING REALLY WELL. WE HAD 12 NON-CITY FUNCTIONS...

YESSMENTS. >> HOW LONG WAS THE GOLF COURSE

CLOSED LAST YEAR? >> I BELIEVE TEN DAYS.

I BELIEVE TEFN DAYS. I CAN DOUBLE WHICH HAVE CHECK

THAT FOR YOU. >> IT WASN'T THE ENTIRETY OF

OCTOBER. >> NO, SIR.

ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF, IF I CAN REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

>> COMMUNITY CENTER. WE HAVE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF EVENTS COMING IN, INTO THE COMMUNITY CENTER AGAIN.

WHICH IS GREAT. A LOT OF EVENTS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, SOME WEDDINGS AND SOME OTHER RANDOM EVENTS.

IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, WE HAD 12 NON-CITY FUNCTIONS TAKING PLACE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WE HAD FIVE EITHER CITY MEETINGS OR TRAINING. WE HAD ONE RECREATION PROGRAM THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE TOTAL OF 18 RENTALS THROUGHOUT THE MONO-OF-OCTOBER. ... MONTH OF OCTOBER.

SPORTS TOUR TOUR INCH: REALLY QUICKLY, SPORTS TOURISM HAS B BEEN... WE ARE GEARING UP FOR NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVE HAD 51 SPORTING EVENTS OR TOURNAMENTS HELD IN 2022 AS IT RELATES TO SPORTS TOURISM. WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE WINTER GAMES OF TEXAS. THIS YEAR, WE ARE LOOSHING AT HAVING SOME DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

ONE OF THEM THAT MICHELLE HAS BEEN WORKING ON IS ARCHERY.

HOPEFULLY, THAT WILL BE REALLY COOL.

WE ARE TRYING TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL SPORTS, SPORTING EVENTS TO THE WINTER GAMES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SPORTS TOURISM HAS BEEN WORKING ON PRETTY HEAVILY IS THE PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES ASSESSMENT.

AND SO WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THAT GROUP LAST WEEK. KIND OF REFINING THE SCOPE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH JOE AND HIS TEAM PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH SO. AGAIN, THAT RECREATION FACILITIES ASSESSMENT IS GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE FACILITY THAT IS WE HAVE. AS IT RELATES TO SPORTS.

THAT WE OWN AS A CITY. GOING TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION ON ANY IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS COMPANY IS ALSO GOING TO BE DOING A MARKET STUDY IN FINDING ANY GAPS OR JUST FINDING OUT WHAT THE MARKET LOOKS LIKE HERE IN VICTORIA AS IT RELATES TO THE SPSPORTS TOURISM INDUSTRY.

AND GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF THE MARKET STUDY AS WELL AS OFF OF OUR FACILITIES ASSESSMENT.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT FACILITIES ASSESSMENT TO KICK OFF. HOPEFULLY, BY THE END OF THE YEAR. WE WILL BRING ALL THE STAKE

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HOLDERS, YOU AS A COMMISSION INVOLVED WITH THAT AS WELL.

TO THE TABLE. YOU KNOW, TO CHAT WITH THE CONSULTANT. ONCE THEY GET GOING, AND THE FIRM IS ROCKING AND ROLLING, WE ARE LOOKING AT THREE TO FOUR MONTHS UNTIL IT IS COMPLETED. I WOULD SAY BY APRIL OF NEXT YEAR, WE WILL HAVE A FACILITIES ASSESSMENT IN OUR HANDS.

>> THE COMMUNITY CENTER ARENA WILL BE ON THE AGENDA.

>> THE COMMUNITY CENTERS, ALL OF THAT AS WELL.

>> CAN I GIVE THEM A PLUG REAL QUICK? JOE IS THE PERSON THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH FROM THE SPORTS FACILITIES NETWORK. MICHELLE AND I MET HIM AT A CONFERENCE BACK IN MAY THAT WE ATTENDED.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY LIKED ABOUT THIS COMPANY WAS THAT THEY LOOK AT PARKS AND RECREATION AS A WHOLE.

A LOT OF THE WORK THEY DO IS WITH PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENTS. THEY LOOK AT OUR FACILITIES AND REALLY DOING A 365-DAY A YEAR MODEL.

HOW CAN WE USE IT WITH THE COMMUNITY? AND THEN HOW CAN WE USE IT FOR SPORTS TOURISM AS WELL? THEY BRING A LOT OF THAT PARKS AND RECREATION PHILOSOPHY AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY AND HOW TO BEST PAIR WIT TOUR TOISM GET THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY LIKED. BECAUSE IT FELT LIKE THEY REALLY UNDERSTOOD OUR WORK. AS PARKS AND RECREATION PRACTITIONERS. A LITTLE PLUG ON THE SPORTS FACILITY NETWORK AND WHY WE CHOSE THEM.

>> YUP. EXCITED FOR THEM TO GET ROCKING AND ROLLING. SO...

YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS ON SPORTS, TOURISM, OR COMMUNITY CENTER? SORRY.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO SKIP OVER COMMUNITY CENTER.

>> WELL, IT SEEMED LIKE IF THE COMMUNITY CENTER WOULD GET GEARED TOWARD RODEO, YOU WOULDN'T BE HOSTING MONSTER TRUCKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE ARENA, RIGHT?

>> AS MULS USE AS WE CAN GET THEM.

>> SUPPOSEDLY, THEY NEED A SPECIAL GROUND TO RUN THE HORSES

ON. >> THE PROBLEM WITH OUR ARENA IS IT IS TOO NARROW. IF IT WAS PUSHED OUT FURTHER, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE TEAM ROPING AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, WE CAN'T DO THAT. IT IS TOO TIGHT.

BUT YES. PART OF THE FACILITY'S ASSESSMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE X, Y, AND Z.

>> OR MAYBE YOU NEED A WHOLE DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR A RODEO.

>> THAT COULD BE. THE RECOMMENDATION.

I'M AS EXCITED TO SEE IT AS YOU WERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE.

>> ALL THE SURROUNDING TOWNS HAVE BIG RODEO.

WE DON'T. >> RIGHT.

RIGHT. YEAH.

WE HEAR THAT A LOT, TOO. RODEO IS BIG.

WE HEAR THAT A LOT AS WELL. >> IT REALLY... THE GOOD FACILITIES LIKE IN JACKSON COUNTY OVER THERE.

>> THAT IS THE THING. IS THERE A NEED, THEN, IF WE HAVE REALLY GREAT ONES IN SURROUNDING COUNTIES THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED REGULARLY? LIKE, I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A WANT FOR IT AND A NEED? I MEAN, WE HEAR ALL THE TIME THAT WE NEED CONCERT VENUES. WE HAVE AN AMAZING ONE RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, AND THEY ARE NOT SELLING OUT.

>> WELL, ACTUALLY, STRAITER HALL IS MORE LIKE OF A BAR CONCERT VENUE THAN A REAL CONCERT VENUE. LIKE CONCRETE STREET AMFY FEETER. THE SOUND FOR THE BIG BANDS.

THEY ARE NOT BRINGING IT. THAT IS MY EXPERIENCE.

I LOVE STRAITER HALL. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

AS FAR AS BIG CONCERTS, THE SOUND JUST ISN'T THERE.

>> THAT IS WHY THE... THAT IS WHAT THE FACILITIES ASSESSMENT WILL HELP US WITH. AND THE MARKET STUDY AS WELL.

THAT MARKET STUDY IS GOING TO SAY, IS THERE A NEED FOR IT OR NOT? WITH THE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE? HOPEFULLY, WE WILL BRING IN SOME GROUPS, THE RODEO DEMOGRAPHIC. YOU KNOW, MY GUT FEELING IS MORE THAN LIKELY, YES, WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED SOME KIND OF A RODEO AREA OR AT LEAST AN ARENA. I HAD THE SAME ISSUES WHEN I W WAS... PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE TWO HOURS TO GO TO GONZALEZ.

WE HAD AN ARENA. IT WAS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.

LIKE, YOU ARE NOT KEEPING IT UP TO PAR.

RIGHT? AND SO THAT IS WHAT THAT FACILITIES ASSESSMENT WILL HELP US WITH.

YES, THERE IS A NEED. YES, WE HAVE IT HERE.

YOU ARE NOT DOING WHAT YOU NEED TO TO BRING IN THE PEOPLE.

OR IT COULD BE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE.

AND THEY SAY, NO. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A NEED FOR IT IN VICTORIA. THEY CAN CONTINUE TO GO TO GONZALEZ. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS GOING TO HELP US WITH. IDENTIFY THOSE ISSUES.

>> YOU KNOW, ANOTHER KEY POINT TOO IS VICTORIA HAS LOTS OF PROFESSIONAL RODEO FOLKS THAT COME FROM HERE THAT ARE

PROFESSIONAL RODEOERS. >> RIGHT.

>> WE HAVE THE LIVESTOCK. >> I LIKE RODEOS.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS. IF THERE WAS A NEED WHEN WE HAVE

GOOD ONES LIKE IN ED THAT. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> IT IS A VALID POINT. >> YEAH.

>> IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY COME. RIGHT?

>> SO I HEAR. .

>> MAYBE THAT IS A ROLE THE PARKS COULD PLAY.

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FACILITATING SOMEONE ELSE TO COME DO IT.

BECAUSE IT IS A NEED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THE VENUE TO ATTRACT THE PROMOTER TO COME.

>> THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. MAYBE THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO MAKE A VENUE IN VICTORIA.

>> RIGHT. IF PERHAPS IF THEY WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE NEED IT OR WHATEVER.

>> MY BROTHER-IN-LAW HAS A RODEO ARENA IN HIS BACKYARD.

LIKE, YEAH. THERE IS PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WOULD TAKE AN INTEREST IN THAT. IN BUILDING THAT PROJECT.

>> AWESOME. YUP.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? COOL.

WE GO INTO THE PROJECTS. FUN STUFF.

SO I'M... I HAVE TWO OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UP HERE. I'M GOING TO VERBALIZE THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON. ONE OF THEM IS THE GOLF COURSE PATH. IT IS GOING TO BE A REROUTE.

I DIDN'T HAVE A PICTURE OF IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ONE. BECAUSE OF THE DUCK POND AND THAT LOOP THAT IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE DUCK POND NOW, WE HAVE TO SHIFT T-BOXES OVER ON THE GOLF COURSE.

THAT WAY, WE HAVE LESS GOLF BALLS TRYING TO COME INTO THE PATHWAY OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THAT LOOP.

AND SO THAT IS AN ITEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE CURRENTLY WORKING ON OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

WE JUST OPENED UP THE BIDS FOR THAT PROJECT LAST WEEK.

YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD, HOPEFULLY, WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

AND SO THAT IS GOING TO GO HAND IN HAND WITH THIS PROJECT.

THE DUCK POND PROJECT. AND THE GOLF COURSE PROJECT IS ABOUT 70,000 ROUGHLY. SO THIS IS THE DUCK POND.

WE ARE ALREADY ROCKING AND ROLLING.

OCTOBER 25, HERE ARE SOME PICTURES.

THIS IS BEFORE THEY REALLY STARTED TO PUMP DOWN... WELL, THEY DID START ACTUALLY PUMPING DOWN THE POND AT THIS POINT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT PICTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

WHERE THE OLD DOCK WAS AT. THAT IS WHERE THE WATER LEVEL USED TO BE. THAT IS WAY PAST THAT.

THAT IS A PICTURE OF THE DUCK POND.

AS OF OCTOBER 25. WE MOVE FORWARD TO NOVEMBER 4.

TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THIS IS AT.

THIS IS THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE DUCK POND.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE RIGHT.

THE SMALLER SECTION, IF YOU WILL.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT EXCAVATOR IS AT.

THERE IS A LITTLE PATHWAY. THAT IS SOMETHING THEY ARE EXITING OUT OF THE POND WITH THE DUMP TRUCKS.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT TRUCKLOADS OF DIRT COMING OUT OF THIS DUCK POND. THEY WILL BE PLACED ALL OVER THE PARK. WE HAVE A LOT OF DIRT.

THAT IS COMING OUT OF THERE. ONE OF THE THINGS, BEFORE I FORGET, THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THIS NEXT SLIDE IS THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS A PICTURE OF... THAT KIND OF SHOWS THAT MEDIAN OF THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DUCK POND. THE LEFT SIDE IS WHERE WE REMOVED ALL THE WATER AND GOT RID OF THE FISH.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH WE DRY THAT OUT.

IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO RAIN WHICH IS GREAT.

THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF SLUDGE ON THAT... IN THAT DIRT.

WHAT WE ARE GOING TO END UP DOING IS TAKING THAT SLUNG AND MAKING IT... I DON'T WANT TO SAY MOVE IT DOWN TO PEBBLE BEACH.

WE WILL DUMP IT CLOSE TO THE PEBBLE BEASM AREA.

WHERE THAT PAVILION IS AT. TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF MUD THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ON THE ROADWAY.

IF WE WERE TO TAKE IT FROM THIS LOCATION TO THE LOCATION WHERE THEY ARE DUMPING CURRENTLY. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MITIGATE THE AMOUNT OF MUD THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ON THE ROADWAY.

IN THE PARK. I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT. IF YOU DO SEE MUD... THE IDEA IS THAT OBVIOUSLY, WHENEVER IT DRIES OUT, WE CAN EITHER ADD SOME MORE TOPSOIL AND COVER IT UP OR WE CAN JUST SPREAD IT OUT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT YOU MAY BE SEEING SOME MUD ON THE ROADWAYS, BUT IT IS ALL GOING TOWARDS THE PEBBLE BEACH AREA. SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF NOVEMBER 9. NOT TOO LONG AGO.

THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU MAY FIND INTERESTING IS RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE BASE MATERIAL. THAT IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE WALL IS AT AND THE FOUNDATION FOR THE VERTICAL WALL.

SO WE HAVE EROSION CONTROL. THEN WE WILL HAVE THE SIDEWALK ON TOP OF. THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE ALL THE WAY AROUND UNTIL YOU GET TO A POINT WHERE YOU SEE THOSE THREE GUYS AND THE VESTS DOWN THERE. BASICALLY BENDING AROUND THAT CORNER. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS JUST... YEAH. ANOTHER PICTURE OF THEM CLEANING UP THE POND. AS OF RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING IS ON SCHEDULE. THEY ARE STILL LOOKING AT

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OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR TO BE COMPLETED.

REALLY THEY ARE ROCKING AND ROLLING.

I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THIS?

. >> ARE YOU DOWN TO THE GOOD DIRT

YET? >> WE ARE GETTING THERE.

YEAH. THE ONE ON THE RIGHT-HAND...

WELL, THE SMALLER OF THE TWO PONDS, YES, WE ARE TO THE GOOD DIRT. AND WE ARE SPREADING THAT...

AGAIN, WE ARE SPREADING THAT THROUGHOUT THE PARK SYSTEM.

WE HAVE SOME GOOD DIRT AVAILABLE.

COOL. >> DID THE ZOO GET THE PEBBLES FROM THE PEA GRAVEL FROM TED REED? DO YOU KNOW? DID THEY END UP GETTING ANY OF

THAT? >> NO.

>> WE HAVE SOME IF M THEY NEED ? >> I TOLD STEVE REACH OUT.

I WILL FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT. >> WE WILL BE DOING IT, TOO FOR SOME OF THE DIRT FOR THE BACK AREA.

>> AWESOME. >> YEAH.

BECAUSE THERE IS TONS OF IT. HERE.

AND THEY NEED A TON OF IT. >> YOU STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT SCHEDULE FOR BUILDING THAT HILL IN FOX'S BEND?

>> YES, MA'AM. ONCE WE HAVE SOME OF THIS DIRT, AGAIN, ONCE WE HAVE THAT GOOD DIRT, WE WILL DROP A COUPLE LOADS OFF AT THAT LOCATION. ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE DUCK POND? COOL. NEXT ONE IS TED B REED.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF OCTOBER 26. I THINK IT WAS DAY TWO WHEN THEY WERE OUT THERE. THOSE FOLKS ARE ROCKING AND ROLLING. NOVEMBER 3, I ADDED THE FOGGINESS. BUT YES.

IT DOES LOOK GOOD. IT WAS ALL INSTALLED, I BELIEVE, BY THE STATE RIGHT HERE NOVEMBER 3.

SOME ISSUES THAT WE WERE HAVING IS THE STAFF NEEDED TO COME BACK IN AND RAISE SOME OF THE LOWER AREAS UP.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE 12 INCHES OF THE WOOD PIPER,... THE WOOD FIBER, THE MULCH THAT IS COMING IN.

WE HAD TO CREATE... WE HAD TO ADD IN SOME LOW AREAS.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD.

AGAIN, LOOKING TO HAVE THIS OPEN BY, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THIS MONTH. THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER.

BEFORE WE HAVE THAT RIBBON-KUFTING.

>> IS THE FINISHED PRODUCT ON SITE RIGHT NOW?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> IT SEEMS LIKE REGULAR WOOD.

IT DOESN'T SEEM SPRINGY. >> IT IS.

IT IS. THAT IS THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.

THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN THIS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS THAT WE HAVE. THEY HAVE THE POURED-IN PLACE RUBBER MATERIAL IN OTHER PARKS. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING FOR

IT. >> I EXPECTED THE WOOD FIBER TO BE MORE SPONGY, THOUGH. IS THERE GOING TO BE A SPONGY

MEMBRANE UNDER IT? >> IT WILL BE SPONGY.

YOU WILL FEEL IT WHEN YOU GET ON THIS NEW PLAYGROUND.

IT WON'T HAVE THE... IT WILL STILL... IT WON'T BE AS FIRM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> RIGHT NOW IN THE MOUNTAIN THAT IT IS IN, IT SEEMS LIKE

REGULAR WOOD FIBERS. >> RIGHT.

>> SOMETHING YOU WOULD PUT IN THE FLOWER BED.

>> RIGHT. >> NOT TO FALL AND PLAY ON.

>> YEAH. WHEN YOU GET IT A FOOT THICK, THOUGH, THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME GIVE TO IT.

>> OKAY. >> IT WILL GET COMPACTED.

OUR TEAM WILL HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND ADD IN SOME MULCH AS IT STARTS TO DEPLETE. YES, MA'AM.

>> IT IS LOOKING VERY AWESOME. I'M VERY IMPRESSED BY THIS

PLAYGROUND. >> I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. >> WITH THAT TYPE OF WOOD FIBERS, THAT IS STILL THE POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE TO CHANGE IT OUT. IF THERE WAS MONEY IN THE BUDGET

LIKE THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> IT IS NOT SOMETHING GLUED OR RESIN TOGETHER.

IT IS ALL LOOSE. >> CORRECT.

>> YES, SIR. >> IT IS A GOOD CHOICE FOR A

SURFACE FOR THE PLAYGROUND. >> SO YES.

WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS.

AGAIN, THAT TED B REED RIBBON-CUTTING WILL BE DECEMBER 2 AT 9:00 A.M. WE WILL HAVE THAT SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY. BUT THESE ARE THE BIGGEST PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON IN THE PARK SEASONAL RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY, RIFF CY. DUCK POND.

ONE ITEM THAT I WILL MENTION TO YOU, IS THE DOG PARK.

I DON'T HAVE THE SLIDE ON IT. WE ARE TAKING... WE DID PUT IT OUT FOR BID. THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

WE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF BIDS. WE SCORED THOSE BIDS.

WE ARE PLANNING TO TAKE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO THE CITY COUNCIL TOMORROW. AND HOPEFULLY, WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.

THAT CONTRACT IS GOING TO BE WITH A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OUT OF THE SAN ANTONIO AREA. WE HAVE USED THEM BEFORE.

THEY CAME IN AND ACYED US WITH SOME ITEMS AT THE SOCCER FIELD.

WHEN THAT WAS GETTING BUILT. WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM.

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HOPEFULLY, THE CITITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE CONTRACT TOMORROW.

AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH BRINGING THEM DOWN HERE AND GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETINGS AND ALL THAT FUN STUFF. AND GET THEM ROCKING AND ROLLING IN DECEMBER. THE PROJECT IS SIX MONTHS.

WE WILL BE LOOKING AT HAVING THAT COMPLETED, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR.

YEAH. THAT IS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. ONE ITEM WITH THE DOG PARK THAT I DID WANT TO BRING UP FOR A QUICK DISCUSSION, IS THE HOURS OF THE DOG PARK. WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT THAT AT OUR COMMISSION LEVEL. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THE HOURS FOR THE DOG PARK.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT, JUST KEEPING IT AT THE... THE SAME AS RIVER

CY. >> YEAH.

I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS RIVERSIDE.

>> WE HAVE LIGHTING. WE HAVE LIGHTS THERE.

IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CLOSE AT DUSK.

IF WE HAVE LIGHTS. IN THE PARK.

SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. IF THERE IS ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMISSION, AS FAR AS THE PARK HOURS FOR THAT.

>> WE HAVE DELINQUENT DOGS HANGING OUT THERE LATE AT NIGHT.

WE MAY HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. UNTIL THEN...

>> DEPENDS ON THE DAMAGE. >> OKAY.

>> IF IT IS WELL-LIT, IT WILL BE GOOD.

>> OKAY. >> OUT THERE AT NIGHT.

SAFE. >> YES.

SUMMERTIME AT NIGHT, NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET IN BY, YOU KNOW, 8:30. YOU HAVE FOLKS THAT MAYBE WORK LATE OR THEY WANT TO TAKE THEIR DOG OUT AT 9:30 OR 10:00.

OKAY. WELL, WITH THAT, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

FOR ME. >> THAT SPRING TOY.

RIGHT THERE. I SO HOPE ONE DAY WE CAN FIND AN ADULT ONE WITH A STRONGER SPRING ON IT.

THAT ONE KIND OF BENDS OVER WITH BIG PEOPLE.

I WOULDN'T KNOW BY EXPERIENCE. I'M JUST SAYING.

(LAUGHTER). >> GOTCHA.

OH. JUST IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING, A REMINDER ABOUT JANUARY. WE HAVE THE WORKSHOP.

WE WILL HAVE THAT AT THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES. AND YEAH, THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY.

PERFECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU GUYS VERY, VERY MUCH.

TONIGHT. >> YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

[E. FUURE AGENDA ITEMS:]

FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO PUT ON

THE AGENDA? >> THAT WOULD BE ME.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE NEXT MEETING.

SORRY. I JUMPED THE GUN ON THAT.

JUST THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE

NEXT MEETING. >> CAN WE DO THAT?

>> YES, SIR. ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAKE ROOM. >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD. WELL, IF THERE IS NOTHING FURTHER FROM THE COMMISSION, WE WILL BE ADJOURNED.

>> ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.