>> BEGIN IN JUST A MOMENT. >> ALL RIGHT, GOT TO BE EFFICIENT. [A. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] >> I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, CITY COUNCIL MEETING TUESDAY, OCTOBER 19TH. IF YOU WOULD, MS. HILLBRICK DO THE HILL BRICK. >> AT THIS TIME, IF YOU'LL JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOLLOWED BY A MOMENT OF SILENCE. PLEASE REMAIN STANDING AS WE PREPARE OUR HEARTS AND MINDS WORK. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. >> AND JUST FAIR WARNING, NEXT MEETING WE'RE GOING TO START THE TEXAS PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SO MAKE SURE Y'ALL GET YOUR WORDS STUDIED AND READY TO GO. [1. Announcements/Reminders:] GY J WHICH IS OVER THERE. >>> WELCOME, MR. GARZA DO YOU HAVE AN NOUNSMENTS AND/OR AND/OR REMINDERS. >> WE HAVE A DOCUMENT COUPLE OF ANNOUNCEMENTS. FOR THOSE ANNOUNCEMENTS I'M GOING TO ASK CHIEF FOX TO COME UP. >> , THE CITY'S HOSTING IN THE COMING WEEKS, THIS WEEK, ACTUALLY ON WEDNESDAY WILL BE HOSTING OUR SECOND ANNUAL FLU CLINIC FOR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. THAT WILL BE IN QUEEN CITY PARK IN 20 A.M. TO 12 P.M., NO QUALIFICATION NECESSARY THIS YEAR. THIS IS FOR ANY AGE 6 MONTH AND OLDER. FREE FLEW CLINIC TOMORROW STARTING AT 10 A.M. AND LATER, FIRST PART, NOVEMBER WE'LL BE HOSTING OUR 150TH CELEBRATION FOR THE VICTORIA FIRE DEPARTMENT. GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1871. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT EVENT ON NOVEMBER 6TH, WHICH IS A SATURDAY FROM 12 TO 4. IT WILL BE A GREAT FAMILY EVENT. A LOT OF FUN THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO LIKE A POP-UP PARK, AND POP-UP ZOO, AND SNOW CONES CONED HISTORYIBAL EXHIBITS, AND ANTIQUES PHOTOS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S HISTORY. WE HOPE THE PUBLIC WILL COME OUT AND YOU ALL HAVE AN AN INVITATION FOR THAT EVENT AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. >>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> THOSE ARE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS WITH HAVE FOR THIS EVENING. [2. Public & Employee Recognitions:] SO WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND A PLAQUE TONIGHT. >>> THE FIRST PROCLAMATION IS FOR FRIENDS OF THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LINE BRING RAY PROCLAMATION HONORING THEIR 50TH ANNIVERSARY. >>> SINCE THE MID1850S, THE VICTORIA'S LITERARY SOCIETY WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY FOUNDED ON JULY 27TH, 1971, HAVE CARRIED THIS TRADITION FOR 50 YEARS THROUGH ITS VOLUNTEERISM, ADVOCACY, AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY, WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY BELIEVES THE LIBRARY IS THE CORNERSTONE OF OUR COMMUNITY PROVIDING ALL FOR OPPORTUNITIES ENGAGE IN LIFELONG LEARNING AND LITERACY. WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY UNDERSTAND THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF WELL-FUNDED LIBRARIES AND IMPLEMENTED TRIANNUAL BOOK SALES TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR CRITICAL PROGRAMS AND SERVICES SUCH AS THE VICTORIA LIBRARY SUMMER READING PROGRAM. WHEREAS THE FRIENDS OF VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY HAS VOLUNTEERED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF HOURS, HOSTED WORLD RENOWN AUTHORS AND MAINTAINED 100 DEGREES OF MEMBERS TO COSTER A LOVE OF THE LIBRARY AND LITERACY IN ALL FORMS IN SUPPORT OF OUR LIBRARY AND STAFF WHEREAS THE CITY OF VICTORIA WISHES TO THANK THE FRIENDS OF THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY WITH ONGOING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE LIBRARY AND LOOKS FORWARD TO ITS CONTINUED EFFORTS TO SUPPORT LITERACY PROGRAMS AND ROARS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. NOW THEREFORE I JEFF BALK KNIGHT PROCLAIM TO BE FRIENDS OF THE IN VICTORIA, TEXAS AND URGE EVERYONE TO JOIN THE FRIENDS OF THE VICTORIA PUBLIC LIBRARY DURING THIS SPECIAL ANNIVERSARY YEAR. >> GO AHEAD. >> OKAY, MY NAME IS DIANA SNEED AND I'M THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE FRIENDS OF THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY AND I WANTED TO SAY 50 YEARS AGO A GROUP OF LIKE MINDED INDIVIDUALS CAME TOGETHER TO FORM THE FIRST FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY HERE IN VICTORIA AND THEIR MISSION WAS TO ADVOCATE AND SUPPORT THE LIBRARY. FAST-FORWARD 50 YEARS, WE STILL HAVE A STRONG GROUP. 318 CURRENTLY, THAT ARE PROVIDING THIS ADVOCACY AND SUPPORT TO OUR LIBRARY. [00:05:05] EVEN THROUGH THE TOUGHEST OF TIMES THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, THE LIBRARY WAS STILL OFFERING PROGRAMS AND SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY TO PROMOTE LITERACY AND ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS MOST DIFFICULT TIME. SINCE MAY OF THIS YEAR, WE HELD OUR FIRST BOOK SALE AFTER THE PANDEMIC. WE WERE ABLE TO DONATE 480 HOURS SINCE THEN TO THE LIBRARY AND HAS PROVIDED FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR OVER 75 PROJECTS FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES. SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GO TO THE LIBRARY, TAKE PART IN ALL THE WONDERFUL ACTIVITIES THEY HAVE THERE. AND BECOME A MEMBER OF THE FRIENDS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. >> THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU Y'ALL FOR Y'ALL'S SERVICE AND Y'ALL'S PROMOTING OF THE LIBRARY, MUCH APPRECIATITY THE NEXT PROCLAMATION IS FOR NATIONAL PARMSY WEEK WHEREAS PHARMACISTS ARE IN COMPLEX MEDICATIONS AND WHEREAS PEANS AND HOSPITALS AND OUTPATIENT CLINICS RECEIVE BETTER CARE WHEN FARMSEYS ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN MEDICATION MANAGEMENT DECISIONS. AND WHEREAS PHARMACISTS DIRECT INVOLVEMENT AND PATIENT CARE HELPS REDUCE UNNECESSARY COSTS AND BURDEN ON THE HEALTH SYSTEM AND WHEREAS THE PHARMACIST AND PHARMACY TECHNICIANS PRACTICING IN THE ACCUTE, THE AMBULATORY CARE AND RETAIL PHARMACY SETTINGS OF VICTORIA, TEXAS CONTRIBUTE TO THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF OUR CITIZENS AND WHERE THE ASTAMERICAN SOCIETY OF HEALTH SYSTEM PHARMACIST AND THE TEXAS PHARMACY ASSOCIATION HAS CLEARED OCTOBER 17TH, 2021 AS PHARMACY WEEK. OFFICIALLY DECLARE OCTOBER 17TH THROUGH WITH 23RD, 2021 AS THE NATIONAL PHARMACY WEEK. THIS PROCLAMATION WAS REQUESTED BY RICKY LENS IS WAS UNABLE TO ATTENDS DUE TO HIS WORK SCHEDULE BUT ASKED EVERYONE FOR HONORING THEIR PROFESSION. AND LAST BUT NOT AT LEAST WE HAVE A PRESENTATION OF PLAQUE OUTGOING BOARD OR COMMISSION MEMBERS. MR. DENSE HAS SERVED ON THE BOARD SINCE ITS CREATION IN 2003 MR. DENS, THE CITY OF VICTORIA APPRECIATES YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. [APPLAUSE] >> ONE MORE PLAQUE, ONE MORE PLAQUE FOR DELETE S PRESENTATION WOULD BE FOR FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER TOM, HE, TOO, SERVED ON THE CREATION IN 2003 AND WE DO APPRECIATE HIS WILLINGNESS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. AND WE WILL PRESENTING HIS PLAQUE AT A LATER DATE. HE WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT BUT DID ASK THAT I EXPRESS HIS THANKS FOR THE RECOGNITION. >> THANK YOU, MS. HILBRICH. [3. Items from Council:] >> TOM? >> NOW WE HAVE ITEMS FROM COUNCIL, ANYBODY LIKE TO KICK IT OFF? GO AHEAD. >> I HAVE TWO ITEMS. COULD WE RAISE THE SPEED LIMIT ON PLACIDO BEN INDIVIDUALEZ? NOBODY GOES 35. NOBODY GOES 40, ACTUALLY, BUT 40 WOULD BE A BETTER SPEED LIMIT. THERE IS NOT ANY -- THERE IS ONLY TWO STREETS OFF OF PLACIZO BEN INDIVIDUALEZ. >> WE COULD LOOK INTO IT BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A SPEED STUDY. THE SECOND THING IS, I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE OPENING UP APPLICATIONS FOR THE CITIZEN'S ACADEMY. >> YES, SIR. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT. >> DELETE S THE PEOPLE OUT THERE ON TV LAND. >>> TV LAND, OKAY, SO WITH OUR NEWSLETTER WE DID ANNOUNCE THE APPLICATION FOR CITIZENS ACADEMY IS OPENING UP. THAT WE ARE SHIFTING IT FROM EIGHT SESSIONS TO FOUR SESSIONS AND WILL BE DURING THE DAY AND THOSE START ON JANUARY 13TH. PEOPLE CAN VISIT, RESIDENTS CAN VISIT OUR WEBSITE WHERE THEY CAN DIRECTLY LINK LINK TO THE APPLICATION. WE WILL ONLY BE ACCEPTING 20 APPLICANTS OR PARTICIPANTS, I SHOULD SAME AND CITIZENS ACME IS ONE -- ACADEMY IS ONE OF THREE WE OFFER, WE OFFER POLICE ACADEMY AND FIRE ACADEMY AS WELL. AND AS YOU KNOW WE RECOGNIZE INDIVIDUALS THAT PARTICIPATE IN ALL 3. BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT TACKLES ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH OUR GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE, FINANCES, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, PUBLIC SAFETY AND IS A GOOD PROGRAM FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO REALIZE WHAT WE DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT. AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, SERVE AS A GOOD FOUNDATION FOR RES DEPOSITS TO BECOME MORE INVOLVED WITH BOARDS AND ADMISSIONS AND ULTIMATELY RUN FOR OFFICE. ASHLEY AND HER TEAM HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF REVAMPING THAT PROGRAM AND THAT CONTINUES. WE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE OUR WEBSITE TO FIND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT AND SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION, AGAIN THAT PROGRAM BEGINS IN JANUARY AND WE'LL BE SPREAD OUT OVER FOUR SESSIONS [00:10:03] THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> DR. YOUNG? MR. SCOTT? >> SO I HAVE ONE LISTED. SPEED BUMP POLICY TO DISCUSS IT. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS HAD THE TIME TO LOOK THROUGH IT. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT FALL UNDER STEP 2 ELIGIBILITY. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD IF I COULD DISCUSS. >> FOR THE FOLKS IN TV LAND WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THIS AS COMPARED TO A SPEED BUMP. >> WE DO HAVE THE SAME FEW SLIDES THAT WE WENT OVER AT THE WORK SHOP IF COUNCIL THINKS IT IS APPROPRIATE TO RUN THROUGH THAT QUICKLY. >> YOU BET. >> OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH AND I'LL CHANCE YOUR QUESTION IN HERE. THERE WE GO. WHAT ARE SPEED HUMPS? THEY'RE RAISED AREA THIS THE STREET TO REDUCE SPEED. THEY'RE TYPICALLY 12-FOOT LONG AND KIND OF JUDGE THAT, IT IS A 12 FOOT WIDE. A SPEED BUMP ARE TYPICALLY A FOOT WIDE AND SIX I WAS HIGH AND DONE MOSTLYSH INVARIABLY IT A SPEED HUMP IS TO REDUCE THE SPEED. THEY'RE EDGE TO EDGE, 3 TO 4 INCHES HIGH. WHEREAS A SPEED BUMP MAY BE SIX INCHES HIGH. AND THOSE ARE ABRUPT IN NATURE. THESE ARE, AGAIN, IT IS THE WIDTH THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE. WHERE? TYPICALLY ONLY IN RESIDENTIAL. THEY'RE PLACED ON STREETS WITH A QUARTER MILE CONTINUOUS LENGTH, MEANING THE STREET IS AT LEAST A QUARTER MILE LONG. IT MAY HAVE SIDE STREETS COMING INTO IT WHICH YOU WOULDN'T PUT THE SPEED HUMPS A THE INTERSECTION, BUT IT COULD BE AWAY FROM THAT, BUT YOU WANT THEM ON A STREET THAT IS LONG ENOUGH. REGULATORY SPEED LIMIT OF 30 MILES PER HOUR, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL, AND NOT LOCATED AT DRIVEWAYS OR INTERSECTIONS. AND ON THOSE DRIVEWAY THINGS, IT COULD BE DIFFICULT IF YOU HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NARROW LOTS AND WIDER DRIVEWAYS. THINGS TO CONSIDER PETITION I LOOKED AT A LOT OF SPEED POLICIES ACROSS THE STATE AND NATION AND CONSISTENT WITH TWO THIS THIRDS OF THE HOUSEHOLDS AND THAT IS DONE THROUGH A PETITION. MINIMUM, 85TH PERCENT I'LL OF THE ED PERCENT TILE S SOME DON'T EVEN HAVE A SPEED LIMIT DESIGNATION THEY JUST IF IT IS A REQUEST THEY GET TWO-THIRDS BUT A LOT OF THEM, MOST OF THEM DO HAVE A SPEED, YOU KNOW, DO A SPEED STUDY AND DETERMINE IS SPEEDING REALLY AN ISSUE, TRAFFIC COUNT OF AT LEAST 500 A DAY MULTIPLE SPEED HUMPS YOU WOULD WANT ON A LONG STRETCH OF A STREET. FUNDS, AGAIN, YOU GO WITH A CONTRACTOR, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACTORS THAT DO HOT MIX IN VICTORIA, SO WHAT WE SUGGEST IS IF WE HAVE A LOT OF THEM IS TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO GET BIGGER BANK FOR THE BUCK AS THEY INSTALL THEM, AND IN HOUSE IF WE HAD JUST A FEW HERE AND THERE WE COULD DO THOSE IN HOUSE, TAKES ABOUT TWO DAYS TO INSTALL AND THERE IS ALSO STRIPING AND SIGNAGE INVOLVED WITH SPEED HUMPS AND THAT IS IT FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST PER SPEED HUMP? MATERIALIZE YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY 1,000 BUT TO BRING IN A CONTRACTOR DOWN WITH TIME, LABOR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 4, 5,000 IF YOU CAN GET A LOT OF THEM THEY'RE DONE BY HAND TYPICALLY, ALL HAND RAKED, HAND DUMPED AND NO MACHINE THAT ACTUALLY LAYS IT. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE SIGNAGE AND STRIPING THIS. >> THE SIGNAGE AND STRIPING $400 A SIGN WHICH WOULD BE AT LEAST A SIGN AT THE SPEED HUMP, MAYBE ONE BEFORE TO ADVANCE IT AND STRIPING COULD BE DONE AT MINIMAL. >> I HAVE FOUR THINGS I WANT TO BRING UP. >> SURE. >> I BROUGHT UP AT A PREVIOUS MEETING IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD LOWER THE SPEED LIMITS TO 25 AND TEXAS LAW WON'T ALLOW IT. THEY WOULD LIKE VICTORIA TO ASK OUR STATE LEGISLATURES AT THE NEXT SESSION TO TRY AND GET SOMETHING THROUGH. IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BEFORE AND NEVER GOT TO THE FLOOR. THE OTHER THING IS I THINK WE [00:15:03] NEED TO ASK MAYOR PRO TEM SOLIZ MADE THE POINT WHEN WE WENT TO THE AN NATIONAL CONTROL THING A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE VERY COME POLICE DEPARTMENT TARRY OF THE CITY WE WANTED THEIR OPINION, I THINK WE COULD SHOULD GET THE OPINION FROM CITIZENS WERE THIS IS NEEDED? WHERE WE HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM AND SPEED PROBLEM, WE MAY KNOW ABOUT SOME BUT MAY NOT KNOW ALL OF THEM. >> DOES THAT NOT ALREADY BE ADDRESSED IN THE PETITION PORTION OF THIS? >> IT IS, IT IS, BUT LET ME GET MY NEXT TWO POINS. THE LAST POINT IS, I THINK YOU SHOULD TRY STOP SIGN, SOMEONE IS GOING TO SAY, NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT USED TO THE STOP SIGN BUT QUEENS WAY RUNS OFF OF SALEM ROAD INTO CASTLE HILL, THERE ARE STOP SIGNS ALMOST EVERY TWO STREETS BLYTHE ROAD, TWO STREETS THAT RUN INTO PRIVATE ROAD IF YOU PUT TWO STOP SIGNS ON THERE YOU WOULD SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC AND ALSO PROBABLY SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WOULD GET OFF OF BLYTHE ROAD, THAT IS THE SAME WITH THE SPEED BUMP, I THINK YOU NEED TO WORK AT STOP SIGNS. THEY'RE A LOT CHEAPER IF YOU PUT THEM UP YOU CAN ALWAYS REMOVE THEM. >> DOESN'T THE TRAFFIC CODE DICTATE WHEN THEY A STOP SIGN NEEDS TO BE PLACED? >> I DON'T KNOW, SOMEBODY SHOULD TELL ME, THAT I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE A STOP SIGN APPEARED ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE THE OTHER DAY AND I ASKED THE CITY ENGINEER, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN AND HE TOLD ME THAT MY NEIGHBOR HAD REQUESTED IT. >> YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS THAT? >> YES, PLEASE. >> JUST DON'T DIG YOURSELF INTO A BIGGER HOLE. >> STOP SIGNS BY MUTCD SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR SPEED CONTROL. IT IS VERY SPECIFIC IN THE MANUAL. THE TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES AND THE REASON THAT IS IN THERE IS YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A DRIVER, DRIVING DOWN STREET THAT IS A THROUGH STREET -- AND YES THERE ARE SOME -- QUEENS WAY WOULD BE ONE THAT IS POSSIBLE COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIVE DOWN A STREET THAT IS TYPICALLY HAS THE LARGER VOLUME AND PUT UP A RANDOM STOP SIGN, IT IS AN UNEXPECTED DRIVER THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO EXPECT AND THAT GOES BACK INTO THE MUTCD AS FAR AS SAFETY, YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING UP IN A ROADWAY OR TRAFFIC THING THAT IS GOING TO BE UNEXPECTED OR POSSIBLY CAUSE DANGER TO THE OTHER DRIVERS THAT ARE AROUND THERE. THE INCIDENT AT -- >> WOULD A SPEED HUMP -- WOULD YOU EXPECT A SPEED MUMP YOU WENT DOWN ROAD ALL OF A SUDDEN ANY MORE THAN A STOP SIGN? >> THOSE ARE SPEED REDUCTIONS. THE STOP SIGN, YOU ARE ACTUALLY STOPPING TRAFFIC. >> YOU ARE. >> IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY MUTCD. THEY -- THEY DON'T RECOMMEND THEM BUT THEY'RE IN THE MANUAL. >> I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT JUST FOR SPEED CONTROL, I'M RECOMMENDING IT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM YOUING IT AS A CUT-THROUGH IF IT TAKES MORE TIME TO GO DOWN A STREET I'M LESS LIKELY TO CUT THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT -- YES, IT WILL SLOW PEOPLE DOWN BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO STOP AT THE STOP SIGN. IT IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT THAN IF YOU PUT A SPEED HUMP THERE, THAT WOULD BE UNEXPECTED, TOO IF I WENT DOWN BLYTHE ROAD AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE IS A SPEED HUMP IT WOULDN'T BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A STOP SIGN. I THINK STOP SIGNS SHOULD BE TRIED IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, THEY'RE A LOT CHEAPER AND CAN BE REMOVED AND YOU CAN SEE IF THEY CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERN VERY EASILY. >> I UNDERSTAND. BUT AS CITY ENGINEER AND LOOKING AT THE MANUAL AND RESAWING THOSE, WE'VE GOT TO -- REVIEWING THOSE, WE HAVE TO BE REAL CAREFUL WHERE THEY GO. IF IT UNEXPECTED AND A THROUGH STREET THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRIVING ON AND THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN SEE A STOP SIGN WHETHER FLASHING OR BIG AND LARGE, IT IS AN UNEXPECTED DRIVER EXPERIENCE AND THAT CAN LEAD TO ACCIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T SEE IT, THEY RUN IT. OR THEY DON'T EXPECT IT AND THAT IS WHY IT IS VERY WELL SPELLED OUT, IT SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR SPEED CONTROL. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL ADDRESS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS WE AS STAFF CAN GET DIRECTION/CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL AND WHAT IS THE PROBLEM STATEMENT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE WITH ANY OF THIS? >> BECAUSE THE SOLUTION WILL LOOK DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHAT THE PROBLEM STATEMENT IS. IF THE PROBLEM STATEMENT IS TRYING TO REDUES SPEED WELL, THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SOLUTION WILL RANGE FROM LOWERING THE SO SPEED LIMIT TO POTENTIAL SPEED HUMPS AND OTHER THINGS. IF THE PROBLEM STATEMENT IS [00:20:02] TRYING TO REDUCE THE VOLUME OF VEHICLES USING A STREET AS A CUT-THROUGH, THAT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM. OUR UNDERSTANDING LEADING UP TO TODAY'S CONVERSATION WAS THAT THE PROBLEM STATEMENT WAS THE FIRST WHICH WAS TRYING TO REDUCE THE SPEED OF VEHICLES DRIVING THROUGH STREETS AND IT COULD BE FOR A DIFFERENT REASON, COULD BE BECAUSE THEY'RE CUTTING THROUGH, COULD BE YOU KNOW, NEIGHBOR WITH THECA MARE RE-- CAMARO GOING DOWN STREET, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO GET SOME OF THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. >> FOR ME IT IS THE REDUCTION AND SPEED BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TRY AND STOP THE CUT-THROUGH ON SOME OF THESE ROADS, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO WORK. >> IT IS STILL PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING CHANGE THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS PEOPLE USE TO STAY OFF OF MAJOR THOROUGHFARES OR IF YOU FAKE COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE AND SPRING CREEK THERE IS REALLY NO WAY TO GET TO NAVARRO GOING TO IF LIGHT BY MOCKINGBIRD AND THE LOOP IT BECOMES A NATURAL CUTTHROUGH IT HAPPENED WHEN K-MART STARTED ASK IN THE OLD LOCATION, IT WAS USED THAT WAY, BUT EVERYBODY TOOK A RIGHT WHEN THEY CAME OFF OF SPRING CREEK THERE IS NATURAL TRAFFIC FLOW THAT I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO SOLVE WITH ANY TYPE OF SPEED HUMP OR OTHER TYPE OF POLICY WITHOUT PUTTING IN OTHER ROADS OR GATE THINGS OR MAKING THEM ONE WAY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE I THINK IT CREATES A MUCH LARGER SOLUTION SET IF THAT IS THE PROBLEM Y'ALL WANT TO GO AFTER. FOR ME IT WAS REDUCTION IN SPEED. >> I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A POLICY FOR SPEED HUMPS BUT LOOK AT EVERY SITUATION AND SEE IF THERE IS ANOTHER WAY WE CAN SOLVE THE SITUATION IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE SPEED. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE IT WAS TO AVOID A SCHOOL ZONE, THE ROAD IS TOO ROUGH NOW AND THERE IS A MEDIAN ON NAVARRO SO WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC ANYMORE, YOU CAN'T CUT THROUGH. SOME -- I THINK EVERY SITUATION NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THIS OPTION, BUT SOMETIMES ONE IF I WAS GOING FIX GUY GRANT I WOULDN'T PUT A STOP SIGN, I -- I MEAN KING ARTHUR, IT WOULD BE QUICKER TO GO THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE, I THINK EVERY SITUATION -- WE NEED TO HAVE THIS POLL CIRCUMSTANCE I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT EVERY SITUATION AND WE KNOW SOME SITUATIONS, BUT WE NEED TO ASK THE CITIZENS OUT THERE IF THERE ARE OTHER SITUATIONS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. >> I DISAGREE IT IS JUST ANOTHER TOOL WE HAVE, AND I THINK WE RELY ON OUR ENGINEERS AND THE DATA AND STUDIES THAT SAYS THIS IS THE BEST TOOL FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION, WHEREAS ANOTHER TOOL MAY BE BETTER SUITED TO ANOTHER LOCATION YOU KNOW, I AGREE THE POLICY SHOULD BE IN PLACE TO GIVE US AN ALTERNATIVE ANYWAY ONCE WE KNOW MORE ABOUT IT, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, BUT YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE IT, THEN WE NEED TO SAY, WHERE DO WE UTILIZE IT BEST. >> DO YOU HAVE A FEEL FOR TRAFFIC COUNTS THROUGH THIS RESIDENTIAL AREA NOW? WOULD ANY OF THEM QUALIFY WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE NOW AT 500 VEHICLES AND 85TH PERCENT I'LL SEEMS HIGH, IF I'M LIVING IN A NEIGHBORHOOD I WOULD BE TERRIFIED IF 85% OF THE VEHICLES ARE SPEEDING. >> AND THAT IS ONE OF THE ISSUES, THAT IS ONE OF THE AREAS TO DISCUSS, THE SPEED HUMPS, I CAN THINK OF A FEW STREETS THAT THAT THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SOME EXCEEDING OF TRAFFIC, BUT AS FAR AS VOLUME, THERE ARE SOME STREETS AND I'LL JUST THROW THIS ONE OUT MESQUITE THAT GOES BETWEEN NAVARRO AND LAWYERECT A STRAIGHT SHOT. THAT IS ONE IT IS EXPECTED. IT IS WIDE AND I WOULD VENTTUARY TO GUESS THAT YOU COULD TAKE A SPEED, YOU KNOW, CHECK THE SPEEDS THE VOLUME DEFINITELY I BET IS OVER 500. BUT THERE ARE SOME STREETS YOU MENTIONED GUY GRANT, THAT DOESN'T CLASSIFY AS A RESIDENTIAL STREET WE'VE GOT TO LOOK, REMEMBER IT IS RESIDENTIAL ONLY AND THAT IS A KEY POINT TO MAKE THAT SOME OF THOSE STREETS YOU'RE RIGHT, MAY NOT HAVE THE 500 CARS AND THAT IS WHY A LOT [00:25:06] OF CITIES WILL DO A SPEED STUDY TO A IT IS AMOUNT. >> IT WAS KING ARTHUR I WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S TRUE, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. IT WAS KING ARTHUR. >> I NOTICED IN THE DRAFT POLICY THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF CURB AND GUTTER STREETS VERSUS I GUESS OPEN DITCH STREETS WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN CONSTRUCTION OF THE SPEED HUMP ON THOSE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES? >> IT IS EASIER ON CURB AND GUTTEDDER, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DEFINED SPACE WITH OPEN DITCH SECTION. YOU PUT IT OUT SO FAR AND YOU'VE GOT TO GET IT TO THE EDGE AND THAT IS GOING BE HARD TO BUILD. IT CAN BE DONE, IT IS JUST, YOU DON'T WANT THOSE CARS GOING OFF, TRYING TO MISS THE SPEED HUMP AND GO INTO THE ROADWAY, THEY'RE DONE, I'M NOT GOING SAY THEY'RE NOT. >> DOES IT CHANGE EITHER YOUR INITIAL COST OR MAINTENANCE COST? >> NO, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE, THEY'RE NARROWER SO THEY WOULDING THERE COST A LITTLE BIT ON MATERIAL. >> OKAY. >> WHEN YOU DID A STUDY ON BLYTHE ROADS. DID YOU MEET THE 500 CRITERIA? >> I BELIEVE IT DID. >> IT WAS THE SPEED THING IT DIDN'T MEET. >> I HAVE TO GO BACK. I KNOW I'VE SEEN IT, BUT I DID NOT TAKE A SPECIFIC LOOK AT IT. >> I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH MORE TIME ON THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC ARE Y'ALL OKAY IF WE CONTINUE WORKING ON IT? I WOULD SAY IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE ON THIS MR. GARZA WOULD BE OKAY COLLECTING THEM? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT A PROPOSED SET OF CHANGES MAYBE NEXT TIME. >> IN FAVOR. >> I WAS JUST GOING SAY I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE SPEED HUMP ORIGINATED BY THE FOLKS THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO RANDOMLY GO OUT AND SAY, OH, LET'S PUT A SPEED HUMP HERE BUT IS SOMETHING THAT IS DRIVEN BY THE RESIDENTS ASKING FOR IT AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO STRESS. >> WE COULD, THOUGH. SO THE CITY COULD ALWAYS PUT ONE IN, INITIATE IS PROBABLY THE BETTER WORD. THE CITY CAN INITIATE. LET'S LOOK AT HAVING A SPEED HUMP HERE, BUT THERE ARE WAYS AROUND THAT, BUT, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS CENTERED AROUND RESIDENTS BEING SUPPORTIVE OF IT. >> PRIOR TO THE CITY JUST DOING THAT THEMSELVES, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD ASK THOSE RESIDENTS ANYWAY AND GET A THUMBS UP. >> I GUESS MY POIN IS THE CITY CAN INITIATE THE POLL DELETE S PROCESS. >> THAT PROCESS DOES INVOLVE THE CITIZENS BEING AWARE OF IT. >> QUESTION RIGHT. >>> THERE WON'T BE AN ASPHALT TRUCK OUTSIDE ANYBODY'S HOUSE TOMORROW. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY, GREAT, THANK YOU Y'ALL FOR THE DISCUSSION, ANYBODY HAVE ANY ITEMS FROM COUNCIL? THEN WE'LL GO INTO CITIZENS' [4. Citizen Communication:] COMMUNICATION. AND I HAVE MR. VON DERRA. >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO-TEM. THERE IS A LOT OF ILLEGAL DUMPING WHERE I LIVE. THEY'RE NOT DONATING THIS STUFF TO CHARITY THERE IS A CHARITY BOX, THEY'RE ILLEGAL LE TRUMPING TRASH THERE ARE THREE MAT TASSES AND BEER CANS AND THROW MASK. WE HAVE PEOPLE USING DRUGS ILLEGALLY THERE AND IT JUST CONTINUES AND CONTINUES, I SAW ONE PERSON DUMP SOME LEGAL STUFF IN SOMEONE'S TRAILER HOUSE AND WITHIN AN HOUR I TOOK CARE OF IT AND CALLED HIS PROBATION OFFICER AND WITHIN AN HOUR SHE CALLED HIM AND HE TOOK CARE OF IT. BUT, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF CODE ENFORCEMENT COULD PUT SOME MOTION DETECTORS AND TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM OR MAYBE SOME POLICE COULD PATROL IT AND MAYBE ARREST SOMEONE, GIVE THEM A TICKET. THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE OVER THERE USING DRUGS. THERE IS -- SO IT IS A FAMILY DOLLAR -- IT IS ON NORTH BEN JORDAN, EAST NORTH STREET BISECTS IT. A FIREFIGHTER WITH A NICE BRICK HOME THERE. THERE IS A CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET AND I SOMEONE COULD DO SOMETHING. IS THIS IS NOTHING NEW THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON THE LAST THREE YEARS AND THE MANAGER OF FAMILY DOLLAR, HE HAS DONE NOTHING SO FAR, YOU KNOW AND IT CONTINUES TO GET WORSE AND WORSE AND THERE IS ACTUALLY MORE PICTURES , BUT THAT IS JUST YOU KNOW, START OF THE PROBLEM. [00:30:05] BUT I WAS HOPING MAYBE SOMEONE COULD HELP WITH THAT. AND THANKS FOR ANIMAL CONTROL FOR GIVING ME DOG TRAPS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DOGS THEY'VE COME AND CAUGHT AT THE TRAILER PARK, THANKS AND HAVE A GOOD DAY, APPRECIATE IT. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> DR. SHOOK, GOOD TO SEE YOU. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU KEEP IT TO THREE MINUTES IF POSSIBLE. >>> LET'S SEE, THREE MINUTES, YES. >> I LIVE IN VICTORIA AND HAVE 64 YEARS AFTER 33 YEARS BEHIND LECTERNS AND COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. AND I WANTED TO ASK DID YOU DECIDE TO GIVE THE MEMBERS A COPY OF THIS NEW STATE LAW? THE ONE I SPOKE TO YOUR SECRETARY ABOUT AND SHE SAID YOU WOULD DOWNLOAD IT AND HAVE YOU READ IT? THEY DON'T HAVE A COPY IN OTHER WORDS. OKAY. >> WELL, THREE MINUTES IS NOT GOING TO WORK, IS IT BY ANY MEANS. WE HAVE HERE A NEW STATE LAW. IT IS CALLED HB 2497 AND I THINK YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU W MR. GWOSDZ WITH COPIES. THAT IS JUST A NUMBER. THE NAME OF THE BILL FOR YOU AND ME IS PROJECT 1836. I HAVE MADE A CUE NOTE IN WATCHING THE CLOCK. MADE A FEW NOTES FROM IT. I MAKE NO ATTEMPT TO READ IT. IT IS COMPREHENSIVE. IT IS MEANT TO APPLY TO ALL CITY, COUNTY, VICTORIA INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THEIR AGENCIES. >> SO IT IS COMPREHENSIVE IN TERMS OF WHOM IT IS AFFECTED BY. DID I SAY COUNTY AS WELL CURRENTTY AND CITY. SPECIFIC TERMS AS FAR AS THE CITY IS CONCERNED IT IS GOING TO HAVE IS GOING HAVE A MAJOR EFFECT ON THE TOURIST PROGRAM ON THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM. AND THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, BY THE WAY, BUT THAT IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. >> IS MY TIME UP IN. >> YES, SIR, IT IS. >> YES, SIR, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT LB2497 FROM THE REGULAR SESSION. >> IT IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO SEE. >> VERY INTERESTING. SORRY I CAN'T HELP YOU. >> THANK YOU, DR. SHOOK. >> ALSO HAVE TONIGHT, DR. BOB AGAIN FROM UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON, VICTORIA. WELCOME. >> I WILL BE VERY BRIEF, I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUSY AGENDA BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T COME ON THIS NIGHT WHEN YOU'RE GOING BE TAKING A FINAL VOTE OF THE BEN WILSON PROJECT TO EXPRESS THE APPRECIATION AND THANKS TO THE UNIVERSITY, IF YOU'VE BEEN ON OUR CAMPUS RECENTLY, YOU SEE THAT WE ARE BEGINNING TO DEVELOP A TRUE CAMPUS FEEL, BEN WILSON PROJECT WILL ALLOWS TO COMPLETE THAT AND IT LITERALLY COULD NOT BE DONE WITHOUT YOUR COOPERATION, WE APPRECIATE VERY MUCH YOUR WILLING TO PARTNER WITH US AND WE PLEDGE THAT WE WILL BE GOOD PARTNERS. IT HAS TAKEN A WHILE, I THINK WE STARTED THIS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO BUT IT WON'T TAKE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS BEFORE I AND I REALLY [00:35:06] APPRECIATE ALL YOU'VE DONE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, DOCTOR. >> SO THAT IS IT FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER NOTICES. SO WE'LL CLOSE CITIZENS' COMMUNICATION AND GO INTO ITEMS [C. Items with Public Hearings:] OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, ITEM C1 POLICE. >> ITEM C1 IS AN ORDINANCE READOPTING AND AMENDING CHAPTER CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES RELATING ANIMAL AND FOWL. >> THANK YOU, MR. GWOSDZ HAS A SHORT PRESENTATION FOR US. >> YES, SIR, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I JUST DOWNLOADED THE BILL DR. SH SHOOK WAS REFERRING TO. >> TONIGHT, WE'RE HEAR FOR THE SECOND READING OF THE READOPTION OF THE CITY'S ANIMAL CODE, IT IS MY GOAL TONIGHT TO FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT WE ARE -- THAT CAME UP AT THE LAST MEETING THAT NEED IF YOU WILL CLARIFICATION OR DISCUSSION RATHER THAN THE ENTIRE CODE AS A WHOLE REMEMBER WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POIN ASK WE'RE AT THE SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING OF IN ORDINANCE, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE HAD A LOT OF GROUND COVERED LEADING UP TO THIS POINT. THERE IS ONE NOTE I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THE NOVEMBER 2ND FINAL READING THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THAT IS THAT SENATE BILL 5 WHICH IS THE BILL THAT WE -- GOING BACK TO HISTORY -- HAVE TO DO WITH TETHERING DOGS, WE INCLUDED IN OUR ORDINANCE. >> THE GOVERNOR THEN VETOED IT AND THEN ASKED FOR IT TO BE BROUGHT BACK. IT HAS NOW SENATE BILL PASSED OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE. THE LEGISLATURE ADJOURNED TODAY AFTER SENDING THAT BILL TO THE GOVERNOR. THAT BILL MIGHT BE SIGNED INTO STATE LAW BEFORE WE MEET FOR THE THIRD READING OF THIS ORDINANCE. BEFORE F SO I WILL BRING YOU AN AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THAT OUT OF OUR COAT SO WE WILL NOT BE DUPLICATING STATE LAW AT THAT POINT JUST A NOTE FOR FUTURE. OTHER THAN THAT I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN FINALIZE ALL OF THE TEXTUAL DECISIONS TONIGHT SO THAT ON THIRD READING WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT NIGHT. HOPEFULLY THE THIRD READING IS AN ADOPTION OF WHAT WE DECIDED AT THIS POINT. BUT THERE IS STILL A CHANCE TO MAKE REVISIONS ON THIRD READING IF YOU DESIRE. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THE TETHERING RULE IS NOT GOING TO BE IN TONIGHT'S CHANGES, RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT, IT IS NOT IN TONIGHT'S CHANGES BECAUSE IT IS STILL UP IN THE AIR AT THE STATE LEVEL, ANIMAL CONTROL HAS ASKED THAT WE DO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR LOCAL CODE IN CASE IT DOES NOT PASS AT THE STATE LEVEL. BUT IF IT DOES PASS AT THE STATE LEVEL, I'M GOING TO STRIP IT OUT SO WE'RE NOT SIMPLY DUPLICATING STATE LAW. >> ALL RIGHT. >> AT THE LAST MEETING, REMEMBER, WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CHANGE TO REQUIRE ANIMALS THAT ARE IMPOUNDED TO BE HELD AT LEAST FIVE BUSINESS DAYS, AND REMEMBER THAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL, THE HEALTH DIRECTOR FROM THE COUNTY DISCUSSED IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE ON THE OPERATIONS AT ANIMAL CONTROL SUGGESTING THEY WOULD HANDLE THOSE IMPACTS BY SWITCHING TO A MANAGED INTAKE PROCESS. AT THAT MEETING THERE WAS NO MOTION BY COUNCIL TO CHANGE OR MOVE AWAY FROM MY RECOMMENDATION, HOWEVER THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM DR. YOUNG TO GO OVER THE SURVEY RESULTS THAT LED TO THAT REMMATION. I BROUGHT THAT DATA BACK HERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS IS QUESTION 2 FROM THE SURVEY AND THE SMALL GREEN PAR IS THREE CALENDAR DAYS, THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION THE SMALL BLUE BAR, THREE BUSINESS DAYS IS WHAT WAS IN OUR PRIOR CODE MY RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THAT BLUE, LIGHT BLUE BAR, FIVE BUSINESS DAYS. AND I JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL ON THAT DISCUSSIONGY WANTED TO ADD IF IT IS 51% FOR 5 YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS AT 7.3 AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER YOU EVEN LONGER. SO CERTAINLY LESS THAN FIVE DAYS WAS VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE. >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS AS THREE DAYS, ONLY BECAUSE I THINK WE DO MORE HARM BY MOVING IT TO FIVE DAYS IN OPERATION OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT EXTRA AMOUNT OF DOGS. THEY SAY AFTER THE THREE BUSINESS DAYS NOW, THAT IS WHEN ANOTHER SHELTER WOULD COME OVER AND LOOK AT THE ANIMALS THAT [00:40:03] HAVE CLEARED THAT 3-DAY HURDLE AND BECOME POSSESSION OF THE COUNTY AND AT THAT TIME, THEY CAN TAKE THE ANIMAL, BUT THERE IS ANOTHER FEW DAYS IT TAKES TO ACTUALLY GET THE ANIMAL TRANSFERRED OUT IN ESSENCE, IT IS THEY SAID AT LEAST A WEEK PROBABLY FIVE BUSINESS DAYS, SIX BUSINESS DAYS BEFORE ANIMAL LEAVES TO GO TO A SHELTER OR DETERMINATION FROM THE SHELTER IN CASE THEY HAVE TO PUT THE ANIMAL DOWN. I THINK THAT THERE IS -- I KNOW IT DOESN'T ALLOW MORE TIME FOR THE OWNER OF THE PET TO COME CLAIM THEIR ANIMAL BUT THAT WIN DOE IS GOING TO GET PUSHED FURTHER THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO KEEP THAT MANY ANIMALS, AND I THINK IT IS A BETTER ROUTE IF WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS SOME WAY TO INCREASE CAPACITY AT ANIMAL CONTROL. IN THE MEANTIME, KNOWING IT IS AN ISSUE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST THROWING THIS IN THE COUNTY'S LAP AND SAYING, Y'ALL DEAL WITH IT NOW. >> ARE YOU TALKING THREE CALENDAR DAYS OR THREE BUSINESS DAYS. >> BUSINESS DAYS. >> BUSINESS DAYS. OUR ORIGINAL DRAFT WAS THREE CALENDAR DAYS. >> THE CURRENT CODE IS THREE WORKING DAYS, BUSINESS DAYS, SAME THING AND OUR RECOMMENDATION INITIALLY WAS TO CHANGE THAT TO CALENDAR DAYS THAT WAS CLEARLY A MISTAKE ON OUR PART. >> IN BEING A GOOD PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY, I THINK IT IS FAIR TO GIVE THEM TIME TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES ON CAPACITY AND NOT JUST DUMP IT IN THEIR LAP AND CREATE A WHOLE MESS FOR THEM. >> I AGREE. I GREAGREE. NOW IF THEY EXTENDS THEIR HOURS WE CAN COME BACK AND REVIST IT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT -- AND IT IS NOT A CONVERSATION FOR US UP HERE TO HAVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE MUCH BEARING ON IT OTHER THAN WE'RE COUNTY TAXPAYERS BUT WHAT IS THE ENDS GAME AND THEIR SOLUTION TO THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT DOES ULTIMATELY FALL ON THEIR LAP I THINK WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE ENDGAME? THEY MEET THE DEMANDS OF THE CITIZENS AND THE PETS AND ANIMAL HERE IS IN THE COUNTY. >> I AGREE WITH THAT WHAT I HEARD AND PERHAPS I HEARD WRONG BUT WOULD LIKE CLARIFICATION IS THEY DON'T HAVE CURRENT CAPACITY BUT HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE TEMPORARY CAPACITY AS NEEDED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS INVOLVED IN MAKING TEMPORARY CAPACITY, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THEY'RE COMPLETEDLY FULL, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS GOING BECOME AN ISSUE ON THE THREE DAYS, FIVE DAYS I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT SITUATION BEFORE MAKING DECISION. >> ALSO IF WE MAKE OTHER CHANGES DISCUSSED ABOUT IF ANIMALS ARE BEING IMPOUNDED THAT THEY COULD BE IMPOUNDED AT A VET, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHETHER THAT WOULD GIVE THEM SOME CAPACITY AS WELL. >> MR. GONZALEZ SAID LAST TIME THEY WERE ALREADY HOLDING UP FIVE DAYS. >> NA IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO AND WHY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. >> I THINK THE CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN, FIVE BUSINESS DAYS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE. >> TWO THINGS I'LL TOUCH ON. DAVE GONZALEZING, PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR, WE'RE PREPARED TO ADAPT OUR PROCESSES TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL OBVIOUSLY WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH, SO I MEAN, THE MANAGE INTAKE WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE FIVE DAY WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FOR THE MOST CASE WE TRY TO DO, THERE IS A LITTLE MORE THAN THREE DAYS HOLD ON THAT. BUT WE'RE MAINTAIN TO AGAIN, THAT PROCESS IS TO, WHATEVER COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH. >> MR. GONZALEZ IN YOUR OPINION IF WE GO WITH THE FIVE DAYS IS IT GOING LENGTHEN RESPONSE TIME? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. >>> FIVE BUSINESS DAYS THE CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN. >> IT WILL LENGTHEN RESPONSE TIMES BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO KEEP THE ANIMALS IF YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM UP? >> IT WILL JUST BE THE LONGER HOLD, YES, MA'AM, A LONGER HOLDS AND LONGER STAYS WITHIN THE FACILITY AND THEN IT WILL CAUSE ESSENTIALLY A BACKLOG ON THE CALL VOLUME THAT SOUR PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THAT. >>> THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE YOU SAID THAT YOU ALREADY HOLD FOR FIVE DAY AND THEN YOU THE SHELTERS COME IN. >> AGAIN, TOUCH ON THE PROCESS AS FAR AS. >> THERE IS NOTHING GOING TO [00:45:01] CHANGE. >> NO, THERE IS GOING BE A CHANGE BECAUSE YES, WE DO CURRENTLY HOLD FOR FIVE DAYS THAT IS OUR AVERAGE LENGTH OF, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING EXTEND AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY, SOMEWHERE 10 TO 12 DAYS THE LIGHTNING AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY FOR FIVE DAYS INCLUDESES THE TIME FOR ANOTHER FACILITY TO COME IN, ANOTHER RESCUE TO COME IN, VIEW THE ANIMALS AND GET THE ANIMALS OUT. THIS ALSO, AGAIN, MOVING TO A FIVE DAY IS ALSO GOING TO PUSH BACK THE TIME BEFORE THE ANIMAL CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ADOPTED A CITIZEN CANNOT AND ADOPT AN ANIMAL FROM OUR 50 UNTIL AFTER FIVE DAYS IS UP THAT IS OUR CONCERN, WE ARE HOLING IT A FIVE-DAY CURRENTLY, A MOVING IT TO A STRAY HOLD YOU'LL PUSH IT TO A 10 TO 12 DAY HOLD. IT IS GOING TO EXTENDS THE AMOUNTED OF TIME THE ANIMAL IS THERE. AND BEGUN, IT IS ALSO GOING TO TAKE LONGER BEFORE THEY'RE EVEN FABLE FOR ADOPTION THROUGH OUR FACILITY AS WELL. >> JUST Y'ALL'S PROCEDURE, THE WAY Y'ALL CO IT, THOUGH. >> NO, ONCE YOU MAKE THE ORDINANCE, THAT IS A FIVE-DAY STRAY HOLD, YOU CANNOT ADOPT THAT ANIMAL OUT UNTIL AFTER THE FIFTH DAY. THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS GIVING A CITIZEN FIVE DAYS TO COME AND CLAIM THEIR ANIMAL, SO YOU CAN'T PROCESS AN ADOPTION YOU CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THE ANIMAL DELETE S MAL. >> AND ANOTHER 10 DAY. >> POTENTIALLY COULD, ALREADY HOLDING IT A 3 DAY AND WE'RE ALREADY HAVING AN AVERAGE LENGTH OF STAY OF FIVE YOU'RE GOING TO EXTEND OUT THAT T AMOUNT OF TIME THE ANIMAL WILL BE THERE. THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, YOU HAVE TO GIVE TIME FOR THE OTHER PROCESSES TO TAKE PLACE, YOU HAVE TO ALLOW FOR RESCUES TO COME IN AND ALLOW CITIZENS TO COME IN AND ADOPT. SO THOSE ANIMALS ARE V TO BE GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND IF NOT, THEN THAT IS LIKE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO WIND UP HAVING TO EUTHANIZE EVERYTHING AT THE ENDS OF THE FIFTH DAY WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO DO. >> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SAYING THAT. >> WE'RE NOT SAYING THATETHER. >> I AAM NOTETH BUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE ANIMALS. >> AFTER THREE DAYS. >>> YEAH, SOMETIMES THAT RESULTS UNFORTUNATELY INTO THE EUTHAN AIZ ASIA OF ANIMALS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN CLAIMED WITHIN FIVE DAY. >> THAT IS WHY WE WANT TO MOVE TO FIVE BUSINESS DAYS. >> THAT COUNCIL'S CHOICE IF YOU CHOO TO DO SO, WE WILL BE PREPARED TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO ADAPT TO THAT. >> TO ME THIS ISN'T A DECISION ON NUMBER OF DAYS BEFORE AN AN MALGETSUTH ANIZED IT IS NUMBER OF DAYS COUNTY CAMP TAKE POSSESSION TO TRY TO PLACE THE ANIMAL. THEY CAN'T PLACE THE ANIMAL AT ALL. IT IS A RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER, I WOULD EXPECT THEY CAN MAKE IT WITHIN THREE BUSINESS DAYS TO CLAIM THEIR ANIMAL. WHAT ARE THE EXTRA TWO DAYS GOING TO GIVE THE PET OWNER, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, GIVING EXTRA DAYS TO THE PET OWNER. >> WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT? >> BECAUSE OF THE DOWNSTREAM CONSEQUENCES AND I DON'T KNOW THIS QUESTION REALLY LAYS OUT THE ENTIRE ISSUE BECAUSE IT IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SAYS BECOMES THE FULL OWNER, ANIMAL CONTROL COMES THE FIRST OWNER OF THE ANIMAL AND RESPONSIBLE FOR DISPOSITION DEPENDS ON HOW YOU THINK OF THE WORD DISPOSITION IS THAT EUTHANASIA? COULD BE, COULD BIT FINDING ANOTHER HOME FOR THE ANIMAL? ALL THE OPTIONS ARE STILL THERE, ALL I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GOING HAVE LONGER RESPONSE TIMES AND CREATE MORE PROBLEMS GOING FORWARD IF WE GO WITH THE FIVE BUSINESS DAYS AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING TO WHAT SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER, TWO EXTRA DAYS TO GET YOUR ANIMAL. >> LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE BEING IN AN ACCIDENT AND IN A WRECK, THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. BEING IN A HOSPITAL THREE OR FOUR DAYS AND THEY GET OUT ON THE FOURTH OR FIFTH DAY, THE COUNTY HAS CHOSEN CHOSEN TO EUTE THE ANIMAL BECAUSE THE THREE DAYS IS UP. >> IT COULD BE IN THE HOSPITAL FOR SIX DAYS, YOU CAN I MEAN YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE. MOST RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS WOULD CALL RIGHT AWAY, I WANT MY PET BACK. IF YOU CALL THREE DAYS BEFORE YOU GO CALL ABOUT YOUR PET, I WONDER ABOUT YOU TO BEGIN WITH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YOU SHOULD BE WATCHING YOUR PET. >> YOU KNOW IT IS KINDS OF THERE IS A AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE IN HERE AS WELL AS A PRACTICAL ISSUE, AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT ANIMAL CONTROL TAKES CONTROL OF THE ANIMAL AND CAN HAVE OTHER FOLKS COME AND ADOPT IT AFTER THE THREE DAYS WHICH KEEPS THEM WORKING I THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE REACTING TO, IS WE DON'T WANT [00:50:02] THE ANIMAL EUTHANIZED AFTER THREE DAYS, PEOPLE WERE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH FIVE. AND I'M WONDERING WHETHER THAT IS WORKABLE THAT IT BE THAT THEY HOLD IT FOR THREE DAYS, BEFORE IT BECOMES THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY CANDIES POSE OF BUT THAT THEY CAINT EUTHANIZE IT FOR ANOTHER TWO, IS THAT AT ALL WORKABLE? >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE OF THAT SECTION, IT IS PROPOSED TO READ ANIMALS IMPOUNDED SHALL BE KEPT FOR NOT LESS THAN FIVE DAYS UNLESS EARLIER CLAIMED BY THEIR OWNERS. IT DOES NOT SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ITS IS POSSIBLE WE COULD CRAFT LANGUAGE THAT SAYS AFTER THREE DAYS THE ANIMAL IS AVAILABLE, IS TO BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION AND AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER FIVE DAYS. OR PERHAPS WE WOULD SAY THAT THE COUNTY BECOMES FULL OWNER AFTER THREE DAYS SO LONG AS THEY DON'T EUTHANIZE AFTER FIVE, AT THAT POINT WHAT ARE YOU DOING AFTER THE FOURTH AND FIFTH DAY, NOW THE COUNTY IS THE OWNER OF THE DOG. IF THE OWNER COMES TO RECLAIM THEIR DOG, IT IS NOT THEIR DOG AGAIN JO THEY CAN ADOPT IT. >> THEY CAN GO TO THE ADOPTION PROCESS, THAT IS A VERY GOOD IDEA. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION. >> PLEASE. >> SINCE WE UP HERE DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROCESS IS WHEN YOU ASKED THIS QUESTION TO THE PUBLIC, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE PROCESS AND WHY WERE THEY QUESTIONING THE SAME FIVE DAYS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE PROCESS. WE'RE QUESTIONING WHY FIVE DAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND. SO I THINK WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION IN THE SURVEY, PEOPLE MISUNDERSTOOD AND THOUGHT, OKAY, THREE DAYS. BOOM, MY DOG IS DEAD. BUT IT IS NOT, YOU'RE EXPLAINING IT DIFFERENT NOW SO, FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES I EXPECT DLIEFTION THE PURPOSE TO ADDRESS THE FIVE DAYS INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING THREE DAYS, BOOM, YOU'RE DEAD. I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT HERE AND WE'RE ALL KIND OF GETTING EMOTIONAL AND STUFF, WHEN WE DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT WAS GOING TO BE THREE DAYS AND FIVE DAYS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL WE HEARD IS WHAT THE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT AT THE TOWN HALL MEETING, OKAY. AND THEY WERE EMOTIONAL JUST AS WE ARE HERE. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO -- IF YOU'RE GOING TO WITH 3 DAYS OR FIVE DAYS WHATEVER, EXPLAIN WHY THE 3 DAYS IS IMPORTANT VERSUS THE FIVE DAYS AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THIS IS -- THEY'RE GOING ROUND AND ROUND. WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO THE ANSWER. >> AND I THINK PART OF WHAT WEIGHED IN ON FIVE DAYS VERSUS THREE DAYS AND RIGHTFULLY SO IS COMPLAINTS ABOUT HOURS. AND THAT WHERE I'M LOOKING AT FROM THE STANDPOINT PEOPLE ARE SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING HAVE LIMITED HOURS AND I CAN ONLY COME WHEN I'M AT WORK I HAVE TO MAKE ARRANGEMENTS I A DELETE S AM NOT OPPOSED TO GIVING PEOPLE TWO DAYS TO GET THERE TO SAVE THEIR PET. >> IF WE'RE GOING REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DAYS AND STAY WITH LIMITED HOURS, I CAN UNDERSTAND ANSWERS THAT SAYS FIVE DAYS AND IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. THAT IS A REAL THING THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY AND TIME TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE REDUCED HOURS WITH THEIR OWN WORK HOURS. >> DIDN'T THE COUNTY DISCUSS THAT YESTERDAY? THEY PULLED FORWARD THE HIRING OF ANOTHER PERSON OUT THERE TO GO TO EXTENDED HOURS? >> WE WERE MOVING THE HIRE. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DISCUSS AT SOME POINT EXFENDING HOURS ONE DAY A WEEK AND POSSIBLY SATURDAYS AS WELL BUT THAT WOULD BE FOR ADOPTIONS ONLY AND RECLAIMS. >> IS THERE A PROCEDURE WITH THE PHONE? IF I CALL AND SAY, LITTLE SPARKY HAS BEEN MISSING AND CALLING TO SEE WHETHER YOU'VE GOT LITTLE SPARKY THIS IS WHAT HE LOOKS LIKE AND YOU SAY, YES, WE'VE GOT LITTLE SPARKY AND I SAY I CAN'T GET THERE FOR FOUR DAY, WOULD YOU SAY, SORRY, AND I KNOW I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. >> NO, WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT CALL. AND WE WORK WITH THOSE CITIZENS THAT HAVE THOSE ISSUES, WE WORK WITH THEM ANY WAY WE CAN TO GET THEIR PETS BACK TO THEM ANYBODY WHO CALLS AND SAYS I THINK MY ANIMAL IS THERE, WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME IN. THE LIMITS HOUR DOGS AFFECT THAT. WE DO, OF COURSE, THERE IS A WEBSITE THAT IS UP THAT POSTS EVERYTHING THAT IS IN OUR FACILITY IS AVAILABLE TO BE SEEN. WE'VE ALSO WE'RE ALWAYS UNLIKE A LOT OF COUNTY OFFICES, WE'RE OPEN THROUGH LUNCH, THAT IS ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT US, DURING YOU'RE LUNCH HOUR THE YOU'RE ABLE TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK. ANY TIME SOMEONE CALLS AND SAYS THEIR ANIMAL IS THERE WE WORK WITH THEM IN ANY WAY WE CAN FOR GET THOSE PETS BACK TO THEM. AND WE'VE HAD, I THINK JUST THE OTHER DAY SOMEONE SAID I THINK MY ANIMAL WAS THERE IT WAS FIXING TO BE ON STRAY HOLD AND HELD EXTRA DAYS TO MAKE SURE [00:55:04] THEY HAD THE ABILITY TO COME IN FOR THEIR PET. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. GONZALEZ. >> YOU'RE CHANGING THE HOUR AND ADD MORE PEOPLE. ISN'T THAT GOING TO TAKE COUNTY COMMISSIONER COURT APPROVAL? >> IT GOT APPROVED MONDAY. >> MR. GONZALEZ, IF WE STAYED WITH THE THREE BUSINESS DAYS, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THIS COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH ANIMAL CONTROL POLICIES SAYING WE WILL NOT EUTHANIZE BEFORE THE FIFTH BUSINESS DAY THE ANIMAL HAS BEEN HERE? EVERYBODY OUGHT TO HAVE DEPOSITION THERE FOR DANGEROUS DOG OR DISEASE. >> IT WOULD BE POLICY OR CODE AS QUELL AND CITY OR COUNTY TOTAL. WE COULD ABSOLUTELY REVIEW THAT FOR SURE. THAT IS SOMETHING I'M OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT WE CAN DO. >> I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE THE ISSUE IN A WAY THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, RIGHT? 35 BUSINESS DAYS TO RECLAIM YOUR PET AND NOT UNTIL THE FIFTH DAY WOULD BIT EUTHANIZED SO YOU STILL GET THE FIVE DAYS SEEMINGS LIKE A LOGICAL COMPROMISE. >>> THAT WOULD BE 6 DAY YOUTHAN -- EUTHANIZED. >> IF YOUR ANIMAL IS ADOPTED OUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE RECORDS AND KNOW WHO GOT THE DOG AND THEN YOU CAN GO AND TALK TO THEM AND SLING IT OUT WITH THEM, I GUESS. >> WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT, I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE IF THERE WOULD BE ANY ISSUES ON THAT ENDS. >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. I WANTED TO ADDRESS MS. SCOTT'S COMMENT. THAT HAS HAPPENED IN OTHER CITIES. IT HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC IN OTHER CITIES WITH DOGS WERE ADOPTED OUT AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OWNERSHIP LAWSUIT BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY OWN A DOG. THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE GENESIS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SHORTENING THE TIME LIMIT MAKING IT CLEAR THE HOLIDAYS DON'T APPLY. THAT WAS WHY WE INITIALLY PROPOSED SHOREDDENNING IT. OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT LIKE OUR THAT IDEA AND I DO NOT PROPOSE SHORTENING IT BUT THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. >> DO YOU FIND THAT AS A REASONABLE COMPROMISE? >> NO. >> NO, I WANT THE TO STICK WITH THE FIVE BUSINESS DAYS CITIZENS OF VICTORIA HAS SPOKEN. ALL THESE IF, ANDS AND BUTS PROBABLY WON'T HOLD UP IN A CURT OF LAW IF SOMETHING COMES UP WITH THESE EMOTIONS AND IT MAKES THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE HARDER TO UNDERSTAND. THE MORE IFS ANDS AND BUTS YOU PUT IN HERE THE MORE CONFUSION THERE IS, IT IS IT SHOULD BE CUT AND DRY. >>> WANT TO TAKE VOTE AND RAISE OF HANDS. WHO IS FOR CUT AND DRY. >> I DON'T LIKE THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECT THAT IT DOES. AND IS A DIFFICULT POSITION. STAFFING AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND BUILDING OF OUR FACILITIES. SO THAT IS KIND OF THE UNIQUE POSITION WE'RE IN. >> IF I MAY JUST INTERRUPT. I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. AS A PROCEDURAL QUESTION, HAVE WE A COMMOTION A SECOND ON THE FLOOR? WE'RE IN JUST THE DISCUSSION PHASE? SO A FORMAL AMENDMENT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT. ONCE THIS REPORT IS FINISHED AND YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING, REMEMBER THAT I DO HAVE A SLATE OF AMENDMENTS I AM PROPOSING THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I WANT TO POINT OUT A FORMAL AMENDMENT AND VOTE COULD BE TAKEN ONCE THIS ITEM IS ON THE FLOOR FORMALLY. >> I'M THINKING WE HAVE CITIZEN THAT COMES TO US AT ALMOST EVERY MEETING TELLING US THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE STRAY DOGS IN HIS AREA AND APPRECIATES ANIMAL CONTROL COMING AND WHAT THE FIVE DAYS IS GOING DO IS SAYING ANIMAL CONTROL HAS TO COME. THAT IS -- I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN YOUNG, IT IS THE DOWNSTREAM THAT CONCERNS ME. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ONTO THE NEXT ITEM AND DO A MOTION WHEN IT COMES TIME. >> THE NEXT TOPIC HAS TO DO WITH CHICKEN COOPS, SPECIFICALLY WEREN'T THE CHICKEN COOP SHOULD BE BEHIND A SCREENING FENCE. THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MOVING CHICKEN COOPS FROM YARDS AND THN ARISES BULLET C THAT CHICKEN COOP SHALL NOT BE VIS FRILL A PUBLIC STREET. COUNCIL WOMB DELETE S WOMAN SCOTT LOOKED INTO SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. SINCE LAST MEET I HAVE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT THE CITY CODE [01:00:03] RELATED TO FENCES, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL FENCES. I HAD A SITDOWN WITH JULIE FULGUM WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCREENING FENCE REGULATION AND THE SHORT VERSION OF THAT STORY IS THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL FENCE REQUIREMENTS ALREADY THAT ADDRESS SOME OF MS. SCOTT'S CONCERNS THEY CANNOT BE PLAYED OF PLYWOOD IS OR CORE GATED STEEL. HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL FENCE STANDARD THAT REQUIRES THOSE FENCES FOR BE OPAQUE SO THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE. IT IS LEGAL TO USE HURRICANE FENCES, CYCLONE FENCES IN THE CITY. NOR DO WE HAVE A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT ON FENCES IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A FENCE REQUIREMENT ADDED TO THIS IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CROSS-REFERENCE AND INCLUDES ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE. THE PROPOSAL THAT I HAVE IN THE SLATE OF AMENDMENTS LOOKS LIKE THIS SUBSECTION C WOULD NOW SAY THE & THE RUN SHALL EACH BE KEPT BEHIND A 6-FOOT HIGH OWE MAKE SCREENING FENCE THAT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 21-104, THE RESIDENTIAL FENCE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CODE OR OTHERWISE NOT VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC STREET. AT THE RISK OF MAKING THIS A CONTENTIOUS DISCUSSION, YOU MAY READ THAT AND THINK TO YOURSELF IF IT IS BEHIND A FENCE OR NOT. THAT ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME THING AS NOT BEING VISIBILITY FROM A PUBLIC STREET. AND SO THERE IS SOME ROOM FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT POINT. BUT I THINK THIS LANGUAGE ADDRESSES MS. SCOTT'S CONCERN. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? THAT IS IN THE SLATED OF AMENDMENTS, I THINK THAT IS AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THE SECOND AMENDMENT BEING PROPOSED HAD TO DO WITH A QUESTION FOR MR. CROARK, A DISCUSSION HOW THE NUISANCE ORDINANCE IN THE CITY CAN BE USED TO RESTRICT THE NOISE OF CHICKENS. I WENT BACK AND PULLED UP -- I SAID I WOULD BRING BACK A COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION. THERE ARE THREE SECTIONS IN OUR CITY CODE THAT DEAL WITH NOISE REGULATION. THE FIRST IS CONDITIONS AND ACES THAT CONSIDERED TO BE PUBLIC NUISANCES. THE OTHERS ARE PRODUCED BY ENTERTAINMENT GROUP. THAT WILL BE YOUR LARGE STEREO EQUIPMENT OR NIGHTCLUBS. AND THE THIRD IS SOUND FROM AM PLYIFYING DEVICES IN VEHICLES. THAT WILL BE YOUR THUMPING CARS AND OTHER LOUD STEREO EQUIPMENT IN CARS THE SECOND AND THIRD OF THOSE PROBABLY DON'T APPLY TO CHICKEN EXCEPT FOR FRIDAY KARAOKE NIGHTS. LET'S FOCUS ON THE FIRST OF THOSE WHICH SAYS, THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND ACTS AMONGST OTHERS ARE HEREBY DECLARED PUBLIC NUISANCES. THERE ARE 20 ITEMS ON THE LIST AND ITEM 20 IS NOISE. AND THE RELEVANT PART FOR THIS DISCUSSION IS ALLOWING TO BE MADE ANY NOISE WHICH EITHER ANNOY OR DISTURB A PERSON OF NORMAL SENSIBILITY. IF YOU HAVE CHICKENS IN YOUR YARD AND THEY'RE LOUD AND ABOUT AN DISMOIG DISTURBING YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT IS A NUISANCE UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE. AND NUISANCES ARE CLASS C MISDEMEANORS THEY CAN BE PROSECUTED ADDRESS CRIMES. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD USE THE CRIMINAL CODE THE CITY CODE, CRIMINALLY TO TRY TO ENFORCE THAT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO KEEP THEIR CHINGS QUIET NOW PLEASE DON'T ASK, SOMEHOW THAT GOING TO KEEP THE CHICKEN QUIET, BECAUSE I THINK THE ONLY ANSWER TO THAT IS DON'T HAVE CHICKENS. NEVERTHELESS FROM A CODE STANDPOINT, I THINK THIS DOES ADDRESS THE REQUIREMENT THAT CHICKENS NOT BE SO CLOUD AS TO -- LOUD AS TO ANNOY YOUR NEIGHBORS. I'M GLAD MR. CROCKER ASKED THE QUESTION. YOU WILL NOTICE THIS IS IN SECTION 10-20, IN CHAPTER 10 OF THE CITY CODE. AND THE ANIMAL CONTROL DIVISION CHARGED WITH ENOTHERS FORCING CHAPTER 4 -- ENFORCING CHAPTER 4 OF THE CITY CODE NOT 10. IF YOUR DISTURBED NEIGHBOR PICKS UP THE PHONE AND CALLS ANIMAL CONTROL BECAUSE CHICKENS ARE MAKING THE NOISE. ANIMAL CONTROL WILL BE CORRECT WHEN THEY SAY THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO PUT ANIMAL CONTROL IN THAT POSITION. WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR CITIZENS THAT THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE ISSUES RELATED TO ANIMAL CONTROL. AND I THINK WE NEED TO EMPOWER ANIMAL CONTROL TO RESPOND IN THOSE SITUATIONS. I AM RECOMMENDING THAT WE TAKE THIS LANGUAGE FROM CHAPTER 10 UPDATE IT TO MODERN LEGAL STANDARDS AND INCORPORATES TO CHAPTER 4 ADDING IT TO THE STAPLE PLACE, THAT FOWL SHALL BE KEPT IN A MANNER TO PREVENT ANY NOISE THAT WOULD UNREASONABLY DISCOMFORT OR ANNOY A PERSON OF NORMAL SENSIBILITIES. ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL? ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. THESE ARE MUCH EASIER THAN THE ONE I WASN'T MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON. [01:05:02] >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THOUGH. >>> YES, MA'AM. >> DOGS BARK. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT CHICKENS CAN'T CLUCK CORRECT. >> IT IS A LEGAL OF NOISE. WITH THIS ORDINANCE WE'RE STILL ALLOWING CHICKENS IN THE CITY LIMITS AND. >> THAT IS CORRECT, YES. >> SO LONG AS THOSE CHICKENS ARE NOT KEPT IN A WAY TO ANNOY AND DISTURB YOUR NEIGHBORS ON A REGULAR BASIS, RIGHT. AND TO BE CLEAR IF THIS WERE TO BE USED THROUGH THE CRIMINAL PROCESS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FINE FOR THE OWNER OF THE CHICKENS. WE WOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THE CHICKENS EVEN AT THAT POINT. >> ING THAT BE -- THAT BEING THREE DAYS OR FIVE DAY? >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON. THIS THE S A PURPOSE IF THIRD IN A SLATE OF AMENDMENT BUT BEING BROUGHT BY ANIMAL CODE. I'LL LET CHIEF ANIMAL OFFICER JOSE FLORES PRESENT THIS ONE. >> SO THIS ONE IS, THIS REALLY JUST BRINGS OUR DANGEROUS DOG REGULATIONS IN LINE WITH THE COUNTY AND WHAT THE COUNTY REQUIRES FOR THE OWNERS DANGEROUS DOG SHALL RESTRAIN THE DOG ON HAND HELD LEASH NO LONGER THAN SIX FEET OWNER TO A DANGEROUS DOG TO THEM IT IS STILL THEIR PET. THIS ALLOWS THEM TO STILL BRING THEIR PET OUT OF THEIR ENCLOSURE, PLAY WITH THEM, TAKE THEM, THEY CAN TAKE THEM WITH THEM OUT AND ABOUT BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT ON A SHORT LEASH AND MISSLED AND REALLY TO ALLOW THE OWNER TO KEEP THIS PET AS A PET, THAT IS HOW THEY VIEW THEIR ANIMAL. >> AND WHO DEEMS THE DOG DANGEROUS AGAIN? ITY CAN GO SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS, ANIMAL CONTROL CAN DO A DEEMING OF A DOG AS DANGEROUS WHICH AT THAT POINT THE OWNER DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPEAL TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT OUR DETERMINATION OR IF A COMPLAINT IS MADE BAY CITIZEN, THEY CAN MAKE THAT COMPLAINT DIRECTORY TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND THE COURT WOULD THAN PROCESS OF DEEMING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. >> ONCE A DOG BITES SOMEONE, THAT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY DEEM THEM, A DANGEROUS DOG. >>> NO. >> AS I SAID THAT IS THE THIRD OF THE SLATE OF AMENDMENTS FOR TONIGHT. AND FINALLY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESENTATION BY MR. KLIM AT THE LAST MEETING I WANTED TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS THERE WERE SEVERAL THINGS HE BROUGHT UP AND I WANT TO RUN THROUGH THEM QUICKLY. THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH THE ELECTION A SECTION OF STATE LAW THAT SAYS IT DOES NOT APPLY IN THE CITY OF OUR SIZE UNLESS WE CHOOSE TO ELECT TO BE GOVERNED BY THAT SECTION AND WE'VE DONE SO IN OUR CURRENT CODE AS WELL AS THIS PROPOSAL THAT SECTION ALLOWS A CITIZEN TO FILE DIRECTLY WITH MUNICIPAL COURT IF THEY ARE THE VICTIM OF A DANGEROUS DOG, IF THEY WANT THE COURT TO DETERMINE THAT AS DOG IS A DANGEROUS DOG, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO ANIMAL CONTROL FIRST THEY CAN COME DIRECTLY TO MUNICIPAL COURT AND MR. KLIMT'S CONCERN IS IF WE WERE DON'TING THE ENTIRETY OF THE DANGEROUS DOG SECTION AND WE WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THAT. THE REST OF THE CHAPTER, 822 REGARDING DANGEROUS DOG IS STATE LAW AND DOES APPLY IN A CITY OF OUR SIZE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE MADE THIS DESCRIPTION. THE SECOND CONCERN HE HAD TO DO WITH THE FLEEFTION MAKES IT ELLEGAL TO FEED BIRDS OR SQUIRRELS IN THE PARK. IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAINTAIN OR KEEP A DANGEROUS OR VICIOUS ANIMAL. A WILD ANIMAL IN THE CITY LIMITS AS A PET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING WILD ANIMALS AS WETS, I BELIEVE I WAS ABLE TO ALLEVE AYEIATE HIS CONCERN CONCERNS I TALKED FOR A CITY PROSECUTOR AND SHE ASSURES ME SHE HAS NO DESIRE TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE FOR FEEDING DUCKS, KILLS -- DRUCKS SQUIRRELS OR BIRD. >> EMPOUNDMENT FOR ANY OFFENSE THIS IS A POINT THAT MR. KLIMT MADE, HE'S CORRECT, OUR CODE SAYS AN ANIMAL IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE CAN BE IMPOUNDED BY ANIMAL CONTROL AND THAT THAT CAN ULTIMATELY LEAD TOUTH ASIA OF THAT ANIMAL. I TOLD HIM THIS IS AN AREA WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISAGREE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE IMPOUNDMENT OF AN ANIMAL IS AN EFFECTIVE METHOD OFN FORCING OUR CODE I [01:10:02] DID TELL HIM I WOULD ENTERTAIN EXCEPTIONS HE WANTED TO PROFOES THE CODE AND HE E-MAILED ME BACK LATER TO SAY HE THOUGHT THIS EMPOUNDMENT REQUIREMENT SHOULD APPLY WHEN THEY HAVE BITTEN A PERSON. IF A DOG IS SIMPLY RUNNING THROUGH THE CITY AND ANIMAL CONTROL NEEDS TO PICK UP THAT ANIMAL, FOR THE ANIMAL'S SAFETY AND TO RETURN IT BACK TO ITS OWNER, WE NEED THE ABILITY TO IMPOUND THAT I'M JUST GOING HAVE TO DON'T DISAGREE WITH MR. KLIMT AT THIS POINT. ALTERNATIVE IMPOUNDMENT IS AN IDEA HE BROUGHT UP THAT I'M GOING AGREE WITH HIM ON. I DO NOT HAVE AN AMENDMENT PROPOSING THIS TONIGHT, I'M INTERESTED IN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ABOUT WHETHER YOU'RE INTERESTED IN US DOING SOME ADDITIONAL WORK TO FLESH THIS IDEA OUT. THE CONCEPT IS THIS, OUR CODE SAYS IF A DOG IS PICKED UP FOR A RABIES HOLD, THAT DOG CAN BE HELD BY ANIMAL CONTROL FOR THE TEN DAYS OR AT A LOCAL VET THAT MEETS THE PROPER REQUIREMENT. THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE PLACE TO HOLD THE DOG. THE SAME IS NOT TRUE IF THAT DOG IS BEING IMPOUNDED BECAUSE THEY'RE A DANGEROUS DOG, BUT HAVE NOT BITTEN SOMEONE SO WHY DON'T WE CREATE IN OUR CODE AN ALTERNATIVE IMPOUNDMENT MECHANISM THAT PROVIDES A WAY FOR THAT DOG TO BE HELD ELSEWHERE, IF THE OWNER DESIRES, AND IF THE OWNER IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. LIKEWISE, OUR CODE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR HUMANE EUTHANASIA. SO WHY DON'T WE CREATE A FLOAFTION OUR CODE THAT ALLOWS AN OWNER OF A DOG THAT HAS BEEN ORDERED HUMANELY EUTHANIZED TO TAKE THAT DOG TO A VET OR SOME OTHER LOCATION OTHER THAN ANIMAL CONTROL. THAT IS JUST A CONCEPT, WE HAVEN'T FLESHED IT OUT YET, IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK. IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN ME PURSUING THAT CONCERTIFICATE I RECOMMEND WE DEVELOP A TASK FORCE AND INCLUDING LOCAL PET AND ACTIVE COMMUNITY AND WE STUDY THE ISSUE AND BRING BACK A PROPOSAL AT ANOTHER DATE SO THAT IT DOESN'T HOLD UP THE ADOPTION OF ANOTHER CODE. CONSIDERING THE HOLIDAY WOULD BE AFTER THE NEW YEAR BUT I'M INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK IS THAT A CONCEPT YOU WANT ME TO PURSUE? >> I'M VERY INTERESTED IN IT. >> I WOULD LIKE THAT LOOKED INTO, DEFINITELY. >> SEEING A LOT OF HEADS AROUND THE ROOM, WE DO NOT HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE SLATE FOR TONIGHT TO CONSIDER THAT. BUT WE WILL LOOK INTO IT FURTHER. >> WOULD THAT HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEM THEY'RE HAVING WITH TOO MANY DOGS AT THE POUND? >> I THINK IT WOULD HAVE A VERY SMALL IMPACT, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT DOGS THAT ARE HELD UNDER A DANGEROUS DOG DESIGNATIONS IF NOT STRAYS THAT HAVE BEEN PICKED UP. IT IS PROBABLY -- BECAUSE IF THE DOG IS STRAY, THEY'RE GOING PICK IT UP, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY FURTHER IMPOUNDMENT AT THAT POINTSH. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> FINALLY, MR. KLIMT BROUGHT ANOTHER GREAT POINT, THAT IT INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST FECES, BUT DROOL AND SPIT AND URINE AS WELL AND WE DO NOT REQUIRE NOR SHOULD WE REQUIRE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW AROUND THEIR DOGS AND POP UP DROOL BEHIND THEM. THAT WAS NOT THE POINT OF THIS CODE. I DO HAVE AN AMENDMENT IN YOUR SLATE TO CHANGE THE WORD IT TO ONLY "FECES". THAT BEING SAID THAT IS MY SLATE AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER WHAT'S THAT YOU HAVE OR THAT CITIZENS HAVE BROUGHT TO YOU, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME. >> DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GWOSDZ AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO LET HIM REST HIS FEET FOR A MINUTE AND OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. OKAY. >> OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE MR. KLIMT, ESQUIRE WITH US TONIGHT. >> FIRST AND FOREMOST AS THE CITY ATTORNEY ASPECTLY POINT OUT, HE CALLED ME AS SOON AS THE OFFICE OPENED THE NEXT DAY, WE MET AND SPENT ON HOUR GOING OVER SUGGESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DISAGREED AS STRONGLY AS HE THINKS. I THINK WE AGREED ON QUITE A BIT. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH SEVERAL ISSUES. THE -- AND I WANT TO JUMP INTO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AS HE SAID BROUGHT TO YOU SINCE YOU'RE WEIGHING THE 5, VERSUS 3 DAYS. DO REMEMBER MR. FLORES AT THE LAST READING TOLD EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THE AVERAGE RESPONSE TIME FOR AN OWNER TO PICK UP THEIR DOG WAS FIVE TO SIX DAYS [01:15:07] YOU ARE LITERALLY PUTTING IN A HOLD PERIOD HALF ADDRESS LONG AS ANIMAL CONTROL TELLS YOU THEY KEEP IT TAKES TO GET THE OWNERS TO COME IN. SECONDLY AND MORE, I'LL GO INTO THIS, THAT IF IT IS AN OWNER/SURRENDERCH IT IS THREE DAYS AND THROWS THE FIRST ONES THEY TAKE BACK BECAUSE THEY CAN EUTHANIZE THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START ON THAT ONE DPOAPT SAY THOSE ARE THE DOGS AND THE ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING SOMEONE AND ARE ABLE TO BE DOMESTICATED INTO A GOOD HOME PROBABLY FASTER THAN ANYWHERE OF THE OTHERS IF YOU -- AND I UNDERSTAND THE BACKLOG, BUT FIRST OF ALL IF YOU LOOKED AT THE VICTORIA ADVOCATE, WHICH I DO EVERY MORNING. I'M SURE THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. THE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING DIDN'T ADD A PERSON TO ANIMAL CONTROL. ANIMAL CONTROL -- THEY DID ADD IT BUT THEY DID IT BECAUSE FIVE PEOPLE ACCORDING TO THEM WERE OUT SICK AND THEY NEEDED TO ACCELERATE THE ADDITION. SO IT IS NOT THAT WE'RE GETTING MORE HELP, IT IS THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH A TEMPORARY TIME THAT BEING AHEAD DELETE S SAID, MANAGED -- I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT, MANAGED INTAKE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN VICTORIA TEXAS. YOU DON'T GET TO SAY THAT WELL IF WE HAVE TO KEEP THEM LONG EVER WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM HERE. IN CASE THE COUNCIL ISN'T AWARE, THE BUDGET FOR AN MALCONTROL SEVERE $600,000. IN FACT, OVER 820,000 WITH THE VEHICLES THEY'RE GETTING, BUT THE OPERATING BUDGET IS OVER $600,000 WITH NOW 11 PEOPLE WORKING THERE. INYOU'DING A FULL-TIME POSITION OF AN ADOPTION SPECIALIST. NOW WHY IS THAT A PROBLEM IT MAKES ME THINK OF THE DIVORCED FAMILY AND YOU HAVE A MOM AND DAD AND ASKING WHO IS IN CONTROL? YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION THAT I WILL TELL YOU AND I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF HERE WITHOUT IT, I HAVE THE HIGHEST ADMIRATION FOR DAVID GONZALEZ. HE HAS BEEN DEALING WITH THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF I CAN ONLY FATHOM WHAT HE HAS HAD TO DO AND SHE TO BE COMEMEDDED FOR IT. THIS IS NOT EVEN IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS WHAT WE'VE HAD TO PUT INTO WITH COVID. BUT IT STILL COUNTS. AND WHAT YOU HAVE IS A DIVISION THAT IS FUNDED AND HIRED BY THE COUNTY AND OWNED BY THE COUNTY WITH RULES BY THE CITY. AND AS COUNCILMAN YOUNG SAID WHO IS IN CONTROL? WHO IS ON FIRST SO YOU'VE GOT A $650 BUDGETED DIVISION FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD TO PUT IT AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE THE COUNTY HAS ANIMAL CONTROL RULES AS WELL. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ORDINANCES. WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHY I BRING THIS UP SO STRONGLY IS I DON'T SEE A COMMISSIONER HERE. THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS ALMOST EVERY VICTORIA PERSON. IF IS A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON HAVE THE FACILITY TO DO THEIR JOB, THEN THE COMMISSIONER NEEDS TO ADDRESS THAT. IF IT IS A SITUATION WHERE WHERE 11 PEOPLE AND 600,000 WHERE $530 IS SALARIES IS NOT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES VICTORIA NEEDS, THE COMMISSIONERS NEEDS TO ADDRESS IT. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY CAN'T. I'M SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU ORDINANCE YOU'RE PASSING GIVING CONTROL TO AN ORGANIZATION YOU DON CONTROL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE PARADOX THERE. THAT BEING SAID, ALSO, MR. GWOSDZ DID MISS MY IMPOUNDMENT A LITTLE OFF THERE. WHAT I ASKED FOR DOESN'T TAKE BUT ONE SENTENCE. IF A DOG IS IMPOUNDED AND AN OWNER OR ANYWHERE ELSE FOR ANY REASON, REMEMBER, WE HAVE IN THERE, ANIMAL CONTROL MAY IMPOUND FOR ANY VIOLATION. IT DOESN'T SAY FOR RABIES FOR DANGEROUS, IT SAYS FOR ANY VIOLATION AND I UNDERSTAND HIS CONCERN AND I'M GOING TO SPOT HIM THIS ONE IF YOU'RE GOING HAVE THAT IN THERE YOU NEED A QUALIFYING SENTENCE, JUST BECAUSE THE OWNER SHOWS UP AND HAS BEEN IMPOUNDED DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT TO HIM THE OWNER MAY ELECT TO HAVE THE ANIMAL IMPOUNDED. IF I'M WILLING TO PAY FOR IT, NUMBER ONE IT AL BELIEVEIATES, I KNOW WHY THEY WOULDN'T WANT THE DO IT BECAUSE IT ALLEVIATES THE OVERCROWDEDNESS AND NUMBER TWO, I SLEEP A LOT BETTER. IT DOESN'T TAKE MONTHS TO I DO. IT IS ONE SENTENCE THAT QUALIFIES IT AND THAT WOULD BE [01:20:02] WHAT I ASKED TO BE PUT IN THERE. I DO HAVE STRONG FILINGS ON THE FIVE DAYS BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN STATEMENTS WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THESE ANIMAL, IT IS NOT -- AND IT IS NOT AN US AGAINST THEM, I CAN'T BE WITH ABOUT MALCONTROL. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN ADOPTION SPECIALIST, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT MANY COME IN IF AN OWNER COMES IN AND SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONTACT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CHANGES CITIZENS WANT TO SEE. THEY WANT TO SEE A PET-FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU'RE NOT WORRYING ABOUT, MY CAT GETS OUT AND BY THE TIME I THINK TO CALL, FOR INSTANCE AND I HATE TO GO BACK TO IT WAS IT GAUGE WITH HIS DOG THAT POOR BOY HAD NO IDEA WHAT THE LAW WAS OR WHAT TO DO. AS A RESULT A DOG DIED THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE. HE HAD NO IDEA. IT IS DIFFICULT FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT AND THEN TRUST THAT THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO WORK. THEY'RE LOOKING TO YOU AND TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WORKS. THE OTHER PROPOSAL I HAVE WHICH I'M GOING REITERATING AND APPROACH THE COMMISSIONERS IS AT A CITIZEN'S COMMITTEE WHICH INCLUDES A LICENSED VETERINARY I YAIAN, PEOPLE FROM RESCUE, ANIMAL PEOPLE, EVEN CONTROL ARE MUTT TOGETHER THE SAME AS PARKS AND REC, SAME AS THE BILLING COMMISSION, AS AN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL OR ANIMAL SITUATION IN VICTORIA. YOU CAN'T DO IT. BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK FOR YOU. THE COUNTY CAN WITH YOU. AND I'M GOING BE APPROACHING THEM WITH THE SAME IDEA THAT THE TWO OF YOU WORK TOGETHER TO APPOINT -- IT COULD EVEN BE SIX PEOPLE, 7 PEOPLE, THREE FROM EACH AND ONE VET IN THE MIDDLE OR SOMEONE IN THE MIDDLE SO THAT THE THING IT WILL ACCOMPLISH THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, IT WILL RESTORE THE FAITH AND TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEIR ANIMALS ARE GOING BE PROTECTED AND THIS JUST ISN'T A, WELL, IT IS A KILL FACILITY, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP MANAGE WHATEVERT IT WAS CALLED MANAGED INTAKE, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO KILL DOGS I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS THAT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS IT. IF IT TAKES MORE OF A FACILITY, THAT IS A CONVERSATION I'M ABOUT TO HAVE WITH FOUR PEOPLE, MAYBE FIVE. SO WITH THOSE THOUGHTS AS WELL AS THE ONE TONIGHT I WOULD URGE YOU TO KEEP IT AT FIVE DAYS AT THIS POINT BASED ON THEIR OWN STATEMENT AT THE LAST MEETING I HATE TO SAY IT IS EASY TO SAY THE OWNERS SHOULD JUST SHOW UP. ONCE THE ANIMAL IS PUT DOWN, YOU CAN'T UNDO IT. THIS IS AN EMOTIONAL THING. FOR MANY OF YOU WHO GREW UP HERE, 30 YEARS AGO WE HAD THE SAME ISSUES WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE. I HELP WRITE THE ONE THAT IS UP THERE. AND WE GOT THROUGH THAT. I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THE EFFECT, THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECT ISN'T THAT ANIMAL PATROL WILL BE BACKED UP OR ANIMALS WILL DIE. THE DOWNSTREAM IS VICTORIA WILL LOSE ALL FAITH ANDUS FROM THAT THEIR ANIMALS ARE PROTECTED AND BEING TAKEN CARE OF. IT AND DURING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY I'VE TALKED TO EVERY RES SKEW TALKED TO THE VETS, EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD TO WORK WITH YOU AND WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE THIS WORK. THIS IS ONLY THE START OF IT. SO WITH THOSE IN MIND AND I THINK I COVERED ALL OF THEM. I DO WANT TO THANK MR. GWOSDZ BECAUSE HE DID GO OUT OF HIS WAY FOR US TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND I THINK HE'S DONE AN EXEMPLARY JOB. >> THERE, MR. KLIMT. ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING WHO HADN'T FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD? COME ON. >> WE DO LIKE OUR REMARKS LIMBED TO THREE MINUTES. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> MY NAME IS APRIL BUTLER THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF FOLLOWING MR. KLIMTIST AND THAT IS A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW. HE SPEAKS ELOQUENTLY AND WITH THE OUT MOST RESPECT FOR EACH OF YOU. HE IS PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS AS AM I. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS EXPAN ON SOME OF THE THINGS HE DISCUSSED AND DO THAT FROM A VERY LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE. LET ME START WITH SAYING THAT I, TOO, RESPECT ANIMAL CONTROL, I [01:25:07] KNOW DAVID VERY WELL, HE HA A VERY DIFFICULT JOB. I WILL FOLLOW THAT WITH SAYING, THAT I WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR THE LAST MEETING SO I WATCHED IT ON YOUTUBE. IT WAS DISHEARTENING WHEN YOU ASKED HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DAVID HAD AND HE HAD TO TURN TO SCOTT AND JOSE TO DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF TEAM MEMBERS HE HAD. I WOULD EXPECT THAT ANYBODY THAT IS IN CHARGE OF A TEAM WOULD KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY HAD ON THEIR TEAM. THE SAME HAPPENED WHEN YOU ASKED HIM THE PROCESS FOR INTAKE AND WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE. HE DEFERS TO HIS TEAM. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, HE'S THE LEADER. BUT IT SAYS SOMETHING TO ME WHEN YOU REFER TO THEM A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WHEN THEY DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THEIR SUBJECT MATTER. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT -- FIRST LET ME THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER DELAGARZA I THINK YOU CAST ELOQUENTLY SPOKE TO THE PUBLIC. YOU HAD OVER HOW MANY RESPONSES, 11,000 RESPONSES? TO THE POLL? THAT SAYS SOMETHING, AND I THINK THOSE COMMENTS SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO GREAT CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU'RE SITTING AT COUNCIL AND MAKING DECISIONS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY. I WANTED TO READ JUST A COUPLE OF QUOTES. BECAUSE WE REFER TO ANIMAL CONTROL AS SUBJECT EXPERTS I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO DIMINISH ANIMAL CONTROL, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR THESE QUOTES. "VICTORIA ANIMAL CONTROL IS GOING TO EUTHANIZE 20 DOGS, PUPPIES INCLUDED. THEY GIVE US RESCUES ONLY A 24 HOUR NOTICE TO DO SOMETHING. DOES THIS MAKE YOU MAD? IT SHOULD. RESCUES TIME AND AGAIN HAVE MADE EFFORTS TO PROVIDE FUNDS, DONATIONS TOOLS AND RESOURCES. NONE OF IT IS EVER PUT TO USE. THIS IS NOT A FIRST, IT IS A WEEKLY EVENT. "SECOND QUOTE THESE ARE ALL FROM DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS" TODAY -- THIS WAS THREE DAYS AGO -- "A VOLUNTEER TOOK HER LARGE TRAP TO HELP TRAP A DANGEROUS DOG THIS DOG CHASES CHILDREN AND OTHER PEOPLE'S SMALL PETS. TWO VOLUNTEERS CAUGHT FIVE DOGS. WHEN THEY CALLED VICTORIA ANIMAL CONTROL ON FRIDAY THEY WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE AT LEAST MONDAY BEFORE THEY COULD COME OUT AND PICK UP THE DOGS. CONSTABLE MEYER STEPPED IN. MADE A PHONE CALL TO VAC AND VAC SHOWED UP IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES SO WHEN A CITIZEN CALLED THEY DIDN'T RESPOND. IT TOOK CONSTABLE MEYER BECOMING INVOLVED. SINCE VAC DOESN'T WANT TO DO THEIR JOBS, VOLUNTEERS WILL. THIRD. "TODAY I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL OF A DOG APPEARED TO BE DYING ALONG A CITY ROAD. SHE TOALD CALLED ANIMAL CONTROL AND SAID THEY WOULDN'T COME SINCE IT WAS AFTER HOURS. A DPD REACHED OUT TO VAC WHO POSTED THIS QUOTE, THE RESCUE WAS TOLD THEY WILL ONLY RESPOND TO A DOG CALL AFTER HOURS IF THERE IS HUMAN AGGRESSION. SO WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE TRICKLEDOWN IF THREE DAY VERSUS THE FIVE DAY, THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING NOW. THINGS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE. WHAT THE COMMUNITY SEES ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE UNLESS THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. AND PROVIDING THAT STRUCTURE FOR THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A VOICE IS GOING CHANGE. THOSE ARE THREE DIFFERENT QUOTES FROM THREE DIFFERENT RESCUES WHO WORK WITH ANIMAL CONTROL AND GO OUT THERE AND TAKE THE DOGS THAT NO ONE ELSE WILL TAKE, THREE DIFFERENT RESCUES IF YOU GOOGLE IT, YOU WILL FIND COMMENT AFTER COMMENT AFTER COMMENT IF YOU GO READ THE REVIEWS YOU'LL SEE THE REVIEWS THAT ARE VERY DEROGATORY. WE CAN'T CHANGE IT UNLESS YOU ON THERE THE COMMUNITY AND YOU TAKE THE COMMUNITY'S ADVICE EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE PICTURES HERE I CAN PASS OUT TO YOU, HAVE ONE LITTLE ON MY TIME, I DON'T KNOW YOU'D REALLY WANT TO SEE THEM. >> THIS IS A YARD. THIS OVER HERE IS A LITTLE MILK CRATE. THIS IS THE MILK CRATE UP CLOSE. THERE WERE TWO PHONE CALLS TO ANIMAL CONTROL ASKING THEM TO [01:30:09] GET THE PUPPY LEFT OUTSIDE FOR DAYS UNDER THIS MILK CRATE. THEY DIDN'T RESPONDS ANIMAL CONTROL SHOULD NOT BE YOUR GO-TO FOR SUBJECT MATTERS. IT SHOULD BE RESCUES AND YOUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS. AND BEGIN TO MAKING MOTIONS AND DISCUSSION. >> WE NEED A MOTION ON THE TABLE FIRST SO WE CAN AT LEAST AMEND OR MAKE A MOTIONS TO AMEND OR PASS IT AS IS OR DECLINE IT AS IS. >> I MOVE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE. SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND AMEND IT. >> I SECOND IT. >> MOTION AND SECOND. HAVE THE ITEM ON THE TABLE, SO LET'S GO THROUGH THE EASY ONES FIRST. MR. GWOSDZ'. AND THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE IN YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT FOR 452A2C TO REPLACE OR OTHERWISE WITH AND? >> TO DO WHAT TO REPLACE "OR OTHERWISE" THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE RED WITH "AND?". >> I'VE JUST GOT IT ON THE SCREEN NOW FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING ON T HAVE THE OTHER OTHERWISE, THE REASON I HAVE IT WRITTEN AS AN OR AND OTT AN AND IS BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THERE ARE SECTIONS OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT DO NOT HAVE FENCES CURRENT WILL I AND SO IF YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE IS NO FENCE, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY REQUIRING AN OWNER TO PUT UP A FENCE IN ORDER TO SCREEN THE CHICKENS FROM PUBLIC VIEW. THERE MIGHT BE PLACES AVAILABLE WITHIN THAT YARD SUCH AS BEHIND A HOUSE WHERE IT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF BEING SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW THAT IS THE REASON IT IS WRITTEN AS AN OR. >> WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE CITY WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED A FENCE OR NOT. >> NO, SIR. I'M PROVIDING AN OPTION SO THAT SOMEONE DOES NOT HAVE TO BUILD A FENCE IF THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE ONE. >> IT IS POSSIBLE SOMEONE COULD HAVE A BIG CHICKEN COOP OR SOMETHING IN THE BACK OF THEIR HOME AND HAVE A BIG YARD SO THAT IT IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. AND IF WE CHANGE THAT TO AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A FENCE. >> YEAH, I THINK THE OR OTHERWISE MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THERE COULD BE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THE CHICKEN COOP IS INVISIBLE BECAUSE OF SOME OTHER PARTITION OR SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK THE KEY THERE IS NOT VISIBLE FROM A PUBLIC STREET THIS GIVES DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES TO GET THERE WHICH MAKES SENSE TO ME. >> I AGREE. >> SO EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH AMENDMENT 1. SO LET'S GO THROUGH THEM BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION. TO AMEND. AMENDMENT 2, PREVENT A ANNOY WIN WITH NORMAL SENSIBILITIES. THE LEASH REQUIREMENTS SO YOU CAN TAKE YOUR DANGEROUS DOG OUT FOR A WALK. I'M GOOD WITH THAT, OTHERWISE THERE IS NOT AN OPTION AND NUMBER FOUR, PRETTY EASY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS A HAVE A MOTION. AND THEN WE'LL TACKLE THE DAYS A SEPARATE MOTION. >>> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED. I SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THESE ARMY? >> OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. MR. GWOSDZ SLATE OF AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED ALL PASSED AND NOW IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE THREE VERSUS 5 OR THERE IS NO MOTION IT DIES. >>> RIGHT IN THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED IT IS 5. >>> YES, MA'AM. >> FIVE BUSINESS DAYS RIGHT NOW. SO THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A MOTION AMENDMENT, RIGHT IF WE LEAVE IT AT 5. >> IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT AT 5 NO ONE HAS A MOTION THEN WE'LL LEAVE IT AT 5. [01:35:05] >> KEEP IT AT 5. >> ALL RIGHT, GOOD. >> NO MOTION TO AMEND SO WE HAVE AN AMENDED MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO APPROVE THE SECOND READING OF ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCE. ALL KNOWS FAVOR SAY AYE. THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. ALL RIGHT. >>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. FOR THE THIRD READING WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES AND SO I DON'T INTENDS TO POST IT AS A PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN UNLESS YOU REQUEST IT. SO I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. HOWEVER, IF WE DO NEED TO MAKE THE CHANGE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE AT THE LEGISLATURE IF THE GOVERNOR SIGNS THAT BILL IT WOULD BE APPROACH E PROPRIATE TO POST IT A AS PUBLIC HEARING SO THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK UP ON THAT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU MR. GWOSDZ. >>> AGAIN, ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVE IMPOUNDMENT/EUTHAN AIDSIA. >>> YES, I WILL BRING THAT BACK AS DELETE S AT A LATER DATE LIKELY AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. WE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE OF VETS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IS A WORKABLE PLAN FOR THEM. I'VE ALSO SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE COMMITTEE AS CITIZENS. AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO ANNOUNCE ANY OF THAT YET, OF COURSE, BUT, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT, ONTO THE THE [D. Consent Agenda:] CONSENT AGENDA. >> ITEM D1 IS ADOPTION OF MINUTES OF THE WORK SESSION ON SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2021 AND THE REGULAR MEETING ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2021. ITEM D2 IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING CONTRACT RENEWALS FOR WW SERVICES, LAWN STAR YARD CARE AND GROUND EFFECTS FOR THE MOWING OF CITY-OWNED PROPS AND CUMULATIVE AMOUNT OF $268,502. ITEM D3 IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CHANGE TO VICTORIA FARMER'S MARKET 2021 MARK RULES AND GUIDELINES. ITEM D4 IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING TWO -- THE PURCHASE OF 2, 2023 AUTOCAR ACX64'S WITH HEIL DURA PECULIAR PYTHON 28 CUBIC YARD REFUSE FUSE COLLECTION BODIES OF CHAST AGE AUTOCAR IN AMOUNT OF $739,487. >> AND D5 IS DETERMINE TERMINATION OF PEOPLEFUND RELIEF. >>> ALL KNOWS FAVOR SAYA THOSE [1. Award the 2021 Rehabilitation and Overlay Project (Woodway Ph. III and...] OPPOSE SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRIES. ITEM E1. >> ITEM E1 IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING THE 2021 REHABILITATION AND OVERLAY PROJECT WHICH IS WOODWAY PHASE 3 AND BRIDLE RIDGE PHASE 2 TO BRANNAN PAVING IN AMOUNT OF $2,404,566. >> HE'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? AGAIN, IT WILL BE TESTED BEFORE WE DO IT. IF THE BASE. >>> THIS IS RECONSTRUCTION. >> I'M SORRY, THIS IS NOT THE -- I SAW SEALED, COMPETITIVELY SEALED PROPOSAL THAT TRIGGERED MY HEAD. THANK YOU. >> I WANTED TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION. DO THEY HAVE ANYMORE PROJECTS GOING ON AT THIS TIME? I'M TALKING ABOUT BRANNAN PAVEING. >> YES, THEY HAVE CRESTWOOD AND THAT IS THEIR LARGEST ONE, BUT IT IS KIND OF A DIFFERENT PROCESS, DIFFERENT GROUP THAT IS WORKING ON ON THAT. >> I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. GILL? MOTION IN ORDER? >> I MOVE WE ADOPT THIS ITEM. >> I'LL SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL KNOWS FAVOR SAY AYE THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. [2. Adoption of 2021 Downtown Master Plan. Danielle Williams, Executive Di...] THANK YOU. ITEM 2. >>> A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE 2021 DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN. >> SO FOR THIS ITEM, STAFF IS ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL AS JAN SPARKS WITH FREEZE AND NICHOLS NO RELATION TO LITTLE SPARKY. WE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS PLAN SEVERAL TIMES, SO WE'LL TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED TONIGHT. >> ANYBODY LIKE TO. >> I MOVE WE ADOPT. >> MOTION ON THE FLOOR? >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. >> I JUST TWOOND SAY A COUPLE OF THING, THANK YOU, JAN, THIS IS GREAT. IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. WHILE WE KNOW WE CAN'T ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING IN THE NEXT YEAR, IT GIVES US SOMETHING TO STRIVE FOR THE YEARS TO COME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKELE LOW HANGING FRUIT WITHIN THIS PLAN AND MAKING THIS MASTER PLAN COME TO LIFE. IT WILL TAKE 10, 15 YEARS TO MAKE IT COME TO LIFE. BUT GIVES US GOOD DIRECTION AND THANK YOU MS. WILLIAMS. >> THANK YOU, DAN EL. >> A LOT OF BUZZ AROUND TOWN ABOUT IT. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR [01:40:03] SAY AYE, THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. THANK YOU. >> ITEM E3 IS A RESOLUTION [3. Approval of design for the Ben Wilson Street Corridor Project. Ken Gil...] APPROVING THE DESIGN FOR THE BEN WILSON STREET CORRIDOR PROJECT. >> MOVE WE ADOPT. ITEM E3. >>> SECOND. >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE NICK WITH OUR CONSULTANT, HE'S GOING TO GO THROUGH A BRIEF PRESENTATION. >> THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD BEFORE HE STARTS FOR SOME CONTEXT. EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, I SHOULD SAY ATTENDS OF THE PROCESS FINALIZING THE AGREEMENT WITH THE PROJECT, COUNCIL UNDER FORMER MAYOR MCCOY, THERE WAS LANGUAGE ADDED THAT WOULD REQUIRE THIS STEP WHICH WAS BRINGING THE FINAL DESIGN TO COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION. THE REASON FOR THAT IS CENTERED AROUND THE QUESTIONS HAD ABOUT DRAINAGE. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF SLIDES ADDED TO THE PRESENTATION YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE PACK THEAT SPECIFICALLY HIT ON DRAINAGE SINCE WE KNOW THAT WAS A BIG DRIVER BEHIND ADDING THIS STEP IN THE PROCESS. >> SO MY NAME IS NICK, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THE BEN WILSON STREET PROJECT. THIS PROJECT STARTED ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2015. THE BEN WILSON STREET CORRIDOR STUDY. THE LAST UPDATE COUNCIL RECEIVED WAS BACK IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. WE WERE BETWEEN DELETE S BETWEEN 50 AND 90% DESIGN AND WE APPROVED AN AMENDMENT FOR A LARGER TOWER DESIGN. SO GOING TRY TO RUN THROUGH THESE QUICK. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION SO IF I DON'T HIT ON A QUESTION YOU HAVE WE'LL HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS. THERE IS REALLY NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM THE LAST STRIP MAP YOU SAW IN APRIL. THE DESIGN IS A ROAD DIET AND CONVERT FROM A FIVE-LANE ROADS WAY TO A 3-LANE ROADWAY FROM AIRLINE ROAD TO RED RIVER STREET. THAT SEGMENT IS GOING TO INCLUDE A FULL DEPTH RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BASE MATERIAL. THERE ARE 8-FOOT-DELETE S WIDE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY AND INCLUDES IMPROVEMENT TO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM INCLUDING NEW SERVICES TO RESIDENTIAL AND THE BUSINESSES ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY. CITY HAS BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH THE BROWNSON TERRACE ASSOCIATION AND MOVING DOWN THE ROAD TO THE INDUSTRY THE NORTH INDUSTRY, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE THE PROJECT WILL INCLUDE ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, IT WILL INCLUDE A RAISED CENTER MEDIAN. WE WILL BE ADDING A NEW PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON SIGNAL, IN ADDITION TO THE SIGNAL THAT IS ALREADY THERE. SO THERE WILL BE TWO PEDESTRIAN HYBRID SIGNALS. AND THREE CROSSING LOCATIONS. AND THOSE SIGNALS WILL BE COORDINATED TOGETHER. MOVING DOWN TO THE CENTRAL PART OF CAMPUS. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FOCAL POINT OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE A NEW TOWER THAT IS GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE BY THE HORSESHOE. AND THEN ON THE SOUTH CAMPUS ENTRANCE THERE AT RED RIVER STREET CONTINUING DOWN THE LANDSCAPED AREA THERE WILL HAVE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEW STEM BUILDING AND ALSO WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH UHV NEW HEALTH AND WELLNESS BUILDING THAT IS GOING TO GO IN ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE RED RIVER INTERSECTION AS WELL. DRAINAGE ISSUES, WE OVERALL DRAINAGE IS CONSTRAINED ON THE STREAM OF THIS PROJECT. THE DOWNSTREAM RECEIVING ENDS OF THIS PROJECT. THE SYSTEM THAT DRAINS INTO RAILROAD DITCH VIA RED RIVER AND OUTFALLS AT DEL MAR IS AN UNDERSIZED SYSTEM. AND IT IS INCLUDED ON THE CITY'S MASTER PLAN TO UPGRADE THAT SYSTEM, BUT THAT IS NOT INCLUDED WITH THE PROJECT. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. THE ELEVATIONS ALONG BEN WILSON STREET ARE LOW-LYING IN SOME AREAS. THE SPINE ROAD THAT RUNS THROUGH CAMPUS SITS ABOUT TWO FEET LOWER [01:45:03] THAN THE INTERSECTION OF RED RIVER AND ABOUT FOUR FEET LOWER THAN THE INTERSECTION OF AIRLINE. AND SO IT IS A BALL-SHAPED ROADWAY AND THAT IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS THAT WATER TENDS TO POND DURING HEAVY RAIN EVENTS. TOUCHING ON THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THE DRAINAGE, SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, WE'RE ADDING A NEW 36-INCH TRUNKLINE SHOWN IN RED ON THIS SLIDE. THE TWO BLUE LINES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY, THOSE ARE GOING TO REMAIN SO WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE CAPACITY TO THE PROJECT. WE'RE ALSO GOING BE TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE EXISTING LINES. WE'RE GOING TO BE CLEANING THEM. WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ADDITIONAL MAN HOLES FOR FUTURE CITY MAINTENANCE ACCESS AND WE'RE GOING BE IMPROVING ANY SPOT REPAIRS NEEDED TO THOSE LINES TO HELP IMPROVE WHAT WE CAN WITH THE SPECK PROJECT ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE OR HAVE BEEN UNDERTAKEN BY THE UNIVERSITY INCLUDING THE NEW PARKING LOT AND THE NEW STEM BUILDING BEING TWO OF THE MOST RECENT IMPROVEMENTS HAVING INCLUDESSED RETENTION POND DESIGN AND UHV IS DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO MITIGATE, THE RETENTION PONDS HAVE LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF. >> NEXT THREE SLIDES SHOW DIFFERENT RENDERED VIEWS OF THE CLOCK TOWER, THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED IN APRIL TO GO FROM ABOUT A 20-FOOT TOWER TO A 50-FOOT TOWER THESE ARE THE FINAL RENDERED IMAGES OF THE POWER IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. TO BE CLEAR IT IS NOT A CLOCK TOWER. >>> IT IS NOT A CLOCK TOWER. WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS IMAGE IS WHAT DRIVERS WILL SEE NORTH AND SOUTHBOUND AS THEY WILL SEE A UHV LOGO, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO FACE NORTH AND SOUTH. WHAT IS GOING TO FACE EAST AND WEST IS GOING TO BE AN LED DISPLAY PANEL INSTEAD OF A CLOCK FACE. >>> WITH THE TIME? >> GET TO CLASS, GET TO CLASS. >> THAT PAN LEGAL SUBJECT TO ORDINANCES WITHIN THE CITY AS FAR AS ANIMATIONS NOT ALLOWED AND ALL THAT STUFF? >> GREAT QUESTION. THE UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON AS A STATE AGENCY IS EXEMPT FROM A LOT OF REGULATION THAT THE CITY CAN IMPOSE AS YOU KNOW, WE AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENTITY CANNOT IMPOSE OUR WILL ON THE STATE. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE I BELIEVE THEY ARE PROBABLY EXEMPT FROM OUR SIGN REGULATION. >> EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ON OUR ROADWAY. >> YES, SIR. >> NOW, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENTS ASIDE, AS A REGULAR STORY QUESTION, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE IT. >> BUT THOSE FACES ARE NOT FACING THE STREET, BECAUSE THIS ISN'T A 4-WAY STREET. THERE IS A I GUESS A DRIVEWAY COMING OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY AND MAYBE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, BUT IT IS REALLY THE UHV IS WHAT IS VIS FRILL THE STREET AND THE TV SCREEN YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE DORM STORY OR LIBRARY OR STEM BUILDING, I WOULD GUESS. >> REQUEST YES, MA'AM, DIGITAL BILLBOARDS ARE NOT ILLEGAL IN THE CITY. THEY SIMPLY HAVE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT HOW OFTEN THEY CAN CHANGE WHAT IMAGES CAN BE, HAS TO BE TALENTIC IMAGES, THERE ARE BRIGHTNESS REQUIREMENTS IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A DIGITAL BILLBOARD ON THE OUR TOWER AND COMPLY WITH THE CITY RELATION. >> SO THERE WAS A QUESTION LAST MEETING ABOUT THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER. THE HEIGHT THAT YOU SEE HERE, IT IS BETWEEN 45 TO 50 FOOT ALL THE. THE HEIGHT OF THOSE LED PANELS IS APPROXIMATELY 32 TO 38 FEET ABOVE GROUND LEVEL. I KNOW THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE HEIGHT. WHAT YOU SEE ABOVE THE SIGNS IS A -- YOU SEE THE ROOFTOP WITH THE FIBERGLASS WINDOWS INSIDE THOSE WINDOWS WILL BE LED LIGHTS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE PROGRAMMED BY THE UNIVERSITY THEY'RE INTENDED TO PRODUCE MORE OF A SOFT GLOWING LIKE, NOT A HARSH BRIGHT LIGHT AND THOSE WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THE LED PANELS, UHV WILL BE THE ABILITY [01:50:08] TO REMOTELY PROGRAM THOSE LIKES SO THAT WHETHER THERE BE A SPECIAL EVENT OR SOME OTHER EVENT THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THOSE LIGHTS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT THE LED PANELS, THOSE ARE DYNAMIC DISPLAYS LIKE YOUR TELEVISION, THEY CAN EITHER DISPLAY A STATIC IMAGE OR THEY CAN DISPLAY A DYNAMIC MESSAGE IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO THAT. >> AND I DO KNOW IT IS UHV'S INTENTION TO COMPLY WITH OUR OR SOME OF THE ITEMS IN OUR ORDINANCE. I THINK ONE OF YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION, ONE OF YOU HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION BEFORE. AND SO IT IS DEFINITELY THEIR INTENT TO NOT CAUSE ANY ISSUES. SO IT IS THEIR INTENT TO BE IN ALIGNMENT OF WHAT OUR ORDINANCE IS ANYWAY. >> APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR US TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE IN THE REST OF THE CITY. >> HERE IS ANOTHER IMAGE THAT SHOWS ONE OF THE STUDENT DROP-OFF AREAS WITH THE SHELTER THAT WILL ALSO SERVE THE TRANSIT STOP THERE IN FRONT OF VICTORIA. UHV AND THEN THIS FINAL AERIAL IMAGE SHOWS THE TOWER LOOKING SOUTH TOWARDS RED RIVER STREET. AND ONE THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE ROADWAY WILL TRANSITION FROM ASPHALT TO CONCRETE HERE AT THE CENTER PART OF CAMPUS THAT DECISION WAS MADE TO IMPROVE FUTURE MAINTENANCE, FOR THE CITY. AND NOT TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE UNIVERSITY WHEN THAT ROADWAY DOES NEED EVENTUAL MAINTENANCE. >> ON BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH ENTRIES THERE WILL BE CAMPUS ENTRY MARKER SIGNAGE. THOSE WILL BE THOSE SIGNS WILL MATCH THE BRICK PATTERNS OF THE TOWER. THEY WILL INCLUED LIGHTING THAT IS EMBEDDED INTO THE PEDESTAL BASE OF THOSE TOWERS. AND THEN THERE IS AN UPDATED FLY-THROUGH VIDEO SEE IF THIS WILL PLAY AND THIS STARTS AT THE NORTH END AND ENDS AT THE CENTER OF CAMPUS. >> REMINDS ME HOW MANY YEARS THAT VEGETATION, 10 OR 15? THAT THIS IS TAKING TO ACCOUNT. >> GOOD POINT. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE LANDSCAPE WILLING LOOK LIKE ON DAY ONE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY HAD SOME YEARS TO MATURE. BUT WE DID INCLUDE SOME LARGER PLANT MATERIAL, LARGER TREES WITH THIS PROJECT, SO THAT IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, SMALL TOO SMALL RIGHT OFF THE BAT. SO THAT IS ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND. BUT YES, THIS IS NOT DAY ONE OF THE PROJECT THIS IS MORE OF A MATURE LOOK AFTER A FEW YEARS GROWTH. >> THE SCHEDULE, WE ARE EXPECTED TO ADVERTISE THIS PROJECT FOR BIDS NEXT MONTH IN NOVEMBER, ANTICIPATED TO REVIEW THE BID AND SELECT A CONTRACTOR BY THE END OF THE YEAR. ONCE THE CITY AND UHV EALLTHOSE BIDS, WE'LL WORK TOWARD RECOMMENDING CONTRACT FOR APPROVAL EARLY NEXT YEAR. NOTICE TO PROCEED IN MARCH AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING OBTAIN A 14-MONTH CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. WITH THAT OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS. >> BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. >> YEAH. >> IT IS, IT LOOKS VERY NICE. >> NICE DESIERNTION I WISH WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STICK WITH THE CONCRETE. THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD AT 15 FEET ALLOWS EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO PASS, DOES IT. >> THERE ARE SEVERAL TURNOUTS IF YOU NOTICE GO TO THE BUS LANE YOU CAN GET TO THE SIDES OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE. >>> DUE TO THE RELATIVE SHORT DISTANCES OF THESE MEDIANS, THE BUS TURNOUTS, THE INTERSECTIONS WILL ALLOW PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR VEHICLES TO PULL OFF EMERGENCY VEHICLES PASS. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION CONCERNING THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS WHY WAS THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM PICKED OVER A TRADITIONAL TRAFFIC LIGHT? YESTERDAY I SAW TWO VERY CLOSE CALLS, OUR STUDENTS WERE ALMOST HIT BECAUSE THE DRIVERS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT SYSTEM. [01:55:02] >> THESE ARE WHAT IS CALLED A PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON SYSTEM, THE SAME SYSTEM OUT THERE CURRENTLY, WE'RE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ONE WITH A NEW CROSSWALK HERE. THEY HAVE A HIGHER COMPLIANCE RATE, NOT -- I COULDN'T SAY A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO WANT TO PROVIDE A STOP CONDITION FOR STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO CROSS THE ROAD. ONE BENEFIT OF THIS PROJECT IS THE CROSSING DISTANCE IS SHORTENED DRAMATICALLY CURRENTLY THEY'RE CROSSING FIVE LANES OF TRAFFIC. NOW THEY'RE ONLY CROSSING ONE LANE BEFORE THEY CAN REFUGE IN THE MEDIAN AND CROSS THE SUCCEED LANE. SO THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BECAUSE STUDENTS MAY FEEL THAT THEY CAN CROSS WITHOUT THE ASSISTANCE OF THE LIGHT AT THAT SHORT OF A DISTANCE. >> THOSE AREN'T ELEVATED BY ANY -- THE DESIGN DOESN'T LOOK LIKE LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE RAMPS ENTERING THE CROSSWALK ON THE STREET WHERE I'VE BEEN ON OTHER CAMPUSES AND DRIVING THROUGH THE CROSSWALKS ARE ELEVATED TO THE LEVEL OF THE SIDEWALK OR SHORTLY LESS SO THAT EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING OVER THAT IT IS REALLY A CROSSWALK THEY'RE CROSSING. >> THESE CROSSWALKS IN THE ROADWAY ARE NOT ELEVATED THEY WILL HAVE SPECIAL THERMO PLASTIC WILL BE MARKING THOSE CROSSWALKS THAT WHOLE DESIGNATE THOSE AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VISIBILITY THERE WILL BE PEDESTRIAN SIGNS THAT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VISIBILITY THEY WILL BE MARKED VERY WELL AND ALSO BE LIT, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE I HAVE LIGHTNING BOTH APPROACHES. >> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION ON THE LIGHTS WHERE THE CROSSINGS ARE GOING BE FOR THE STUDENTS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE FIVE LANES NOW, WILL THEY LOWER THE AMOUNT OF TIME THOSE LIKES STAY RED? RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE RUNNING THE LIGHTS WHEN THEY START BLINKING. >> SO THE WAY A PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON WORKS AND THERE WILL BE A NEW SIGN THAT WILL BE INSTALLED ON THESE IS THE SOLID RED INDICATES THE STOP CONDITION. THE FLASHING RED INDICATES THAT IF THE CROSSING IS CLEAR, DRIVERS MAY PROCEED. AND THAT WILL BE A NEW SIGN WITH THAT INSTRUCTION THAT WILL BE MOUNTED ON THE MAST ARM TO GIVE DRIVER, BECAUSE THERE IS CONFUSION. WHEN IT GOES THE FLASHING RED, SOME PEOPLE WILL GO, SOME PEOPLE WILL STAY STOPPED AND SO THERE WILL BE A NEW INSTRUCTION TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE DRIVER THAT IF THE CROSS SAN JUAQUIN CLEAR THEY MAY PROCEED ON THE FLASHING RED. >> I THINK IT GETS CONFUSING BECAUSE OF SCHOOL BUSES WHICH WE'RE ALL USED TO HERE. >>> I'VE SEEN THEM RUN THOSE LIGHTS WHEN THEY'RE BLANKING. >> YOU'RE ALLOWED TO WHEN THEY BLINK. >>> IT IS CONFUSING BECAUSE THE GUY BEHIND YOU COULD BE HONKING AT YOU AND JURY STOPPED THERE. >> IF YOU GET THERE EITHER AFTER THE YELLOW IS FINISHED OR, YOU KNOW WHEN IT HAS BEEN RED AND FLASHES RED, I FOUND MYSELF WONDERING IF IT IS GOING TO TURN RED AGAIN OR WHAT IT IS GOING TO DO. THAT SIGN WILL HELP. >> AND I WAS GOING THE ASK ON THE FENCE GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE AIRLINE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OFFENSES, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THAT ONE UNIFORM FENCE? >> WE INTENDED TO MAKE IT ALL UNIFORM AND ACTUALLY BRING THAT INTO THE CITY PROPERTY, IN ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT HAVE MULTIPLE FENCES. YOU HAVE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AND SOME HAVE INSTALLED ADDITIONAL PRIVACY FENCES BEHIND THAT AND THERE IS A DISCUSSION ONGOING AT THE CITY RIGHT NOW NOW TO TRY TO MAKE THAT UNIFORM BUT, THE FENCING WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN OUT OF THIS CONTRACT AND DECIDED NOT TO PUT A THIRD FENCE IN FRONT TO TRY TO MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE OWNERS TO GET A UNIFORM FENCE COUNT DOWN THERE AS WELL. >> I THINK THAT IS FAIR TO SAY WE DIDN'T WANT, YOU KNOW, THOSE COORDINATION EFFORTS TO DELAY THE REST OF THE PROJECT. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY INTERESTED IN DOING WE STOMACHLY HAVE -- ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS HERE. SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THAT. >> OKAY. >> IT IS OUR INTENTION LONG-TERM TO FINDS A SOLUTION FOR THAT IT JUST MAY NOT COME WITH THIS PROJECT. >> OKAY. [02:00:05] >> I JUST WANTS TO ASK, ARE THOSE CRATE MYRTLES? >> YES. >> DEREK, THEY'RE GIVING ME MY CRATE MYRTLES. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT, I FORGOT. SO IS THERE ANY FUR DISCUSSION? >> DR. GLEN? DR. BARREN, THANK YOU Y'ALL, I APPRECIATE IT AND GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK THERE AS WELL, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE COMPLETION RIGHT BEFORE OUR 200TH BIRTHDAY ALL KNOWS FAVOR? >> AYE. THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. >> GREAT. >> THANKS A LOT, ITEM E4. [4. Join the State of Texas Opioid Settlement Agreements. Thomas Gwosdz, C...] >> A RESOLUTION TO JOIN THE STATE OF TEXAS OPIOID SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. >> I BELIEVE THIS PRESENTATION WILL BE SHORTER THAN MY LAST ONE. THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD JOIN IN THE GLOBAL OPIOID SETTLEMENT THAT THE STATE OF TEXAS IS NEGOTIATING. IF I CAN JUST EXPLAIN THIS BY ANALOGY THIS IS SIMILAR TO SOMETIMES YOU RECEIVING IN THE MAIL A NOTIFICATION THAT YOU'RE ELIGIBLE TO JOIN A CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT AND IF YOU SYNC ON THE PAPER AND SENDS THE PAPER BACK TO THE ATTORNEYS REPRESENTING THE CLASS ACTION THEY PROMISE THEY WILL SENDS YOU $20 OR $50 WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO JOIN THE CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT. IN THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE THE STATE OF TEXAS IS NEGOTIATING IN AN ATTEMPT TO SETTLE AND ASKING LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO JOIN IN TO THAT SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. IT IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE. AND SO I'VE ASKED FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE TO SEND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HERE TO HELP EXPLAIN IT TO YOU TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT WHETHER IT IS BEST FOR THE CITY TO JOIN IN THIS SETTLEMENT. AND SO I PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, RICK BERLIN AND SARA LEEON FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WHO WILL EXPLAIN AND GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. >> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING. >> THANK YOU Y'ALL FOR HAVING US MY NAME IS RICK BERLIN, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY GENERAL AND MANAGING ATTORNEY OF THE HOUSTON CONSUMER PROTECTION OFFICE, SO THANK YOU Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME. >> I'M SARA LEE ON HERE AT THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND WE MET WITH SEVERAL FOLKS WITH THE CITY OF VICTORIA AND IN THE PEST GOLDEN CE SENT COG AND VERY RECEPTIVE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH Y'ALL, THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR AND MAYOR PRO-TEM WE JUST ARE GOING TO GO OVER THE EXACT SAME PRESENTATION WE DID THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST MOB, RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO GIVE IT OVER TO RICK BERLIN SO SINCE I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP Y'ALL'S TIME SOMETIMES IT WILL BE A LONGER CONVERSATION THANK. >> AND WE HAVE A BIT OF LONGER SLIDE DECK HERE, BUT I'LL BE AS EFFICIENT AS I CAN BE WITH IT. SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE OF THE OPEN YOID CRISIS GOING ON FOR MANY YEARS AT THIS POINT YOU MAY NOT KNOW LAST YEAR WAS THE WORST YEAR OF THE OPIOID CRISIS HERE IN TEXAS. DRUG OVERDOSE DEATHS ROSE NEARLY 30% AND WE HAD A RECORD NUMBER OF OVERDOSES HERE IN THE STATE. >> WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A SETTLEMENT WITH MANUFACTURERS AND DISTRIBUTORS AND WE'VE RECENTLY COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH MANUFACTURER JOHNSON & JOHNSON AS WELL AS THREE OF THE DISTRIBUTORS THIS NATIONAL SETTLEMENT BETWEEN BOTH PRIVATE PLAINTIFFS AND ATTORNEYS GENERAL HAS RESULTED IN $26 BILLION SETTLEMENT FOR THE 43 STATES ANS JUST FOR THE ATTORNEYS GENERAL. TEXAS' PORTION OF THAT IS $1.5 BILLION $1.17 IS FROM THE DISTRIBUTORS AND 268 IS FROM JOHNSON & JOHNSON JUST FOUND OUT TODAY THAT WE HAVE REACHED AN AGREEMENT WITH JOHNSON & JOHNSON THAT THEY WILL PAY THAT MONEY OUT TO THE STATE THIS YEAR OR AISLES, 2022 IN APRIL SO FOR FOLKS THAT SIGN ON BY JANUARY 2ND, WHICH IS THE HEADLINE, THAT PAYMENT WILL -- THAT DEADLINE, THAT WILL COME FROM [02:05:04] THEM UP FRONT. THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER PAYMENTS ARE FRONT-LOADED, BUT THEN WILL TALE OVER THE COURSE OF 10 TO 20 YEARS. ANOTHER IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS SETTLEMENT IS THE INJUNCTIVE RELIEF TO KEEP THE OPIOID MANUFACTURE EVERS AND DISTRIBUTORS FROM CREATING A SAME OR SIMILAR PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD JOHNSON & JOHNSON IS GOING TO GET OUT OF THE OPIOID BUSINESS FOR TEN YEARS THE DISTRIBUTORS ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER TO CREATE A DATABASE, A LOT OF THE PROBLEM THAT OCCURRED IS BECAUSE THE LEFT HAND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT HAND WAS DOING SO PEOPLE COULD PILL SHOP THE DISTRIBUTORS WERE SENDING WAY TOO MANY PILLS TO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE. SO YOU HAD SMALL DON'TTIES GETTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PILLS WHEN ONLY A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE LIVE THERE SO HOPEFULLY THIS INJUNCTIONIVE RELIEF WILL KEEP THIS FROM OCCURRING AGAIN. THE MONETARILY SETTLEMENT WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART FOR Y'ALL BREAKS DOWN LIKE THIS. JOHNSON & JOHNSON ON HERE IS NINE YEARS AND THAT HAS CHANGED AND WILL COME IN BY APRIL OF 2022. AND THEN THE DISTRIBUTORS THE LARGEST PART OF THAT WILL COME WITHIN THE FIRST THREE YEARS AND THEN TAIL OFF OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 18 YEARS. YOU'LL SEE THERE UNDER THE SECOND BULLET THERE IS A 5% BASE, THOSE TWO LINES ARE PART OF THE TEMPERATURE OF THE SETTLEMENT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS FOR YOU ALL TO SIGN ONTO THE DOCUMENTS THERE ARE TWO DOCUMENTS THE CITY WILL NEED TO SIGN AND THEN ADOPT A RESOLUTION AS WELL. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET AS MANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS TO SIGN ONTO THIS SETTLEMENT AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE THE WAY THE SETTLEMENT IS STRUCTURED IS THAT IF A COUNTY OR CITY THAT HASN'T SUED DECIDES TO SUE LATER, THEN THE PART OF THE SETTLEMENT THAT IS INCENTIVE BASED WILL BE WITHHOLD DELETE S WITHHELD FROM THE PARTICIPATING SUBDIVISIONS EVERYBODY GETS THE MONEY UP FRONT. IF NOT, THEN ABOUT HALF OF THAT MONEY WILL BE PUT INTO ESCROW UNTIL THAT NEW LITIGATION RESOLVES ITSELF. >> SO OUR GOAL HERE IS TO HELP ADDRESS A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS. WE WANT TO BRING THE MOST MONEY TO TEXAS WE POSSIBLY CAN, THAT $1.5 BILLION AT THIS POINT IS THE MAXIMUM SETTLEMENT. IF WE CAN'T GET EVERYONE TO SIGN ON, THAT NUMBER GOES DOWN OUR HOPE IS THAT WE WILL GET EVERYONE TO SIGN ON I KNOW SOME OF THE LITIGATING COUNTIES HAVE AT LEAST IN PRINCELE RESOLVED SOME OF THEIR ISSUES, I THINK THEY'LL WILL BE JOINING THE SETTLEMENT AS WELL WHICH IS GOOD NEWS AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUT TO AS MANY AS THE 406 GENERAL PURPOSE SUBDIVISIONS IN THE STATE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD. WE'VE BEEN TO A LITTLE BETTER THAN HALF OF THEM SO FAR. SO WE'VE GOT A BUSY HOLIDAY SEASON AHEAD OF US, BUT WE THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET TO JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY. >> SO HOW DO SETTLEMENT DOLLARS ACTUALLY GET TO YOU? >> OF THE $1.5 BILLION, 15% OF THAT WILL GO IN DIRECT PAYMENTS TO YOUR CITY, THE COUNTY, THE OTHER SUBGIGSES IN TEXAS. 15% WILL GO TO THE STATE TO HELP US ADDRESS OPIOID ISSUES AND REMAINING 70% WILL GO INTO A GENERAL FUND, IT WILL BE SET UP BY THE COMPTROLLER OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUNDS AND THEN GOVERNED BY AN OPIOID COUNCIL. THIS COUNCIL WILL DIVIDE THE MONEY BY PUBLIC PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT AND COUNTIES AND CITIES IN THE PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT CAN PETITION TO THE OPIOID COUNCIL IN SORT OF LIKE A GRANT PROCESS. THOSE THE PEOPLE ON THE OPIOID COUNCIL ARE STILL BEING APPOINTED THERE IS BOTH LOCAL APPOINTEES THAT WILL BE APPOINTED BY HHSC FROM THE LOW PUBLIC HEALTH DISTRICT AND STATE LEVEL APPOINTMENTS AS WELL. OKAY. DOWN HERE IN THE MIDDLE, SOME OF [02:10:12] THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AS WELL AS VICTORIA, WE HAD GOTTEN A QUESTION WHY THE COUNTY OF VICTORIA HAS SUCH A --ABLE MORE MONEY THAN THE CITY I TALKED TO OUR FOLKS IN AUSTIN, THE $1.5 BILLION OR $26 BILLION IS A PORTION ACCORDING TO POPULATION, BEING ONE. AND THEN THE OTHER THREE FACTORS THAT THEY LOOK AT ARE OVERDOSES PEOPLE AFFECTED BY ABUSE DISORDER AND THE NUMBER OF PILLS THAT GO INTO THE COUNTY. SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING THE UNDERLYING FORMULAS AND NUMBERS FOR THIS DISTRIBUTION WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS FROM JOHNSON & JOHNSON BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOR EXAMPLE, WITH YOU HAVE A COUNTY HOSPITAL THAT DOES A LOT OF OPEN YOID TREATMENTS THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE THE ONES USED IN MODIFYING THE POPULATION AND SO THAT IS HOW WE ENDS UP VICTORIA COUNTY GETTING SUBSTANTIALLY MORE THAN VICTORIA THE CITY EVEN THOUGH MOST OF THE POPULATION LIVES BETWEEN CITY LIMITS. >> HERE IS THE PUBLIC HEALTH REGIONS I WAS TALKING OBTAIN, VICTORIA IS PART OF REGION 4. SO THERE IS 33 MILLION, AGAIN, THIS IS ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY PARTICIPATES. THERE IS 33 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR REGION 4 AND THEN YOU COULD PARTNER WITH VICTORIA THE COUNTY AND SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE OPIOID ISSUES IN YOUR COMMUNITY. AND WHEN THESE FUNDS ARE INTENDED TO BE USED FOR OPIOID TREATMENT PREVENTION AND EDUCATION SO AND ABATEMENT AS WELL. I IT CAN BE FOR FUTURE EXPENSES AS WELL AS EXPENSES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ENCOURED SO TO THE EXTENT THE COUNTY HAS HAD TO PAY FOR TREATMENT OR NARCAN OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE IN THE PAST THAT MONEY CAN BE USED TO GO TOWARDS PAYING THOSE DEBTS BACK AS WELL I'M NOT GOING GO INTO THIS TOO LONG BECAUSE WILL TAKE A LOT OF TIME, ONE THING THATLY MENTION FROM THIS IS THE PER DUE THE MOST FAMOUS NAME ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ISSUE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN BANKRUPTCY WHATEVER SETTLEMENT REACHED WITH THEM WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THIS MONEY HEREF ONE OF IF REASONS WE'RE TRYING TO SETTLE THIS CASE AND NOT TAKE THIS TO TRIAL AND GET EVERY PENNY THAT WE CAN IT IS WOULD PUT THESE BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS THEY PROVIDE ALL THE DRUGS THAT WE TAKE, SO WE DON'T WANT THEM TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS, THE OTHER REASON IS WHEN A COMPANY GOES INTO BANKRUPTCY, PURDUE IS SPENDING $50 MILLION A MONTH ON ATTORNEYS AND THAT MONEY COULD GO TO HELP ALLEVIATE THIS PROBLEM. WE WANT TO AVOID THESE COMPANIES GOING INTO BANKRUPTCY AND TRY AND GET THIS MONEY TO THE COMMUNITIES NOW NOT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AFTER WE LITIGATE AND TAKE IT TO TRIAL BEFORE WE SEE ANY HONE. THE NEXT STEPS TWUB TO SIGN ONTO THE SETTLEMENT AND EXECUTE THE RELEASES. THERE ARE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PACT ALREADY AS WELL AS THE RESOLUTION. AS LONG AS WE CAN GET IN BY JANUARY 2ND THEN VICTORIA CAN PARTICIPATE AS WELL. AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE HAS SOME MORE INFORMATION AT THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL WEBSITE AS WELL AS AN E-MAIL ADDRESS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP AFTER I LEV. >> AND THAT'S ITS ANY QUESTIONS? >> THAT WAS A LOT BETTER THAN A LETTER WITH GET IN THE MAIL. >> YES, THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. >> SURE. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER [02:15:02] QUESTIONS FOR HIM OR MR. GWOSDZ? >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT WHAT WAS IT, THE MONEYS THAT WERE SEPARATE AND YOU SAID THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND YOU WERE TALKING OBTAIN ONE CAN BE ACCESSED NOW AND ANOTHER IF SOMEONE COMES UP? >> THERE ARE TWO FUNDS, ONE IS A DIRECT PAYMENT TO THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT IS 15% OF THE 1 1/2 MILLION AND THAT COMES DIRECTLY TO THE CITY. THE LIONS SHARE OF THE SETTLEMENT WILL GO INTO A FUND, THE OPIOID COUNCIL CONTROLS AND THEN PORTIONS OF THAT ARE EARMARKED FOR THE DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEALTH REGIONS IN THE STATE. SO THIS IS YOUR DIRECT PAYMENT THE $103,000. AND THEN 33.3 MILLION IS THE LARGER FUND AND THAT IS THE ONE WHERE YOU WOULD COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL WITH HOW THAT MONEY CAN BE SPENT OR ALLOCATED AND THEN PETITIONED TO THE OPIOID COUNCIL IN WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE A GRANT PROCESS THEY'RE ADOPTING THOSE RULES. >> ONE IS AUTOMATIC AND THIS ONE WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR. >> CORRECT THE RULES YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR HAVEN'T BEEN SET. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> POTENTIALLY IN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT EMS COULD FIT UNDER THAT. >>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU MR. GWOSDZ IS THERE ANY REASON WE WOULDN'T JOIN. >>> THE ONLY REASON YOU MIGHT NOT POTENTIALLY NOT JOIN IS IF WE WANTED TO SUE THESE OPIOID MANUFACTURERS OURSELVES. THAT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION AND I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT. >>> THROG ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >>> MAKE THE MOTION. >>> I SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. [5. Adopting Guidelines for use in 2021 redistricting process. Thomas Gwos...] >> ITEM E75 A RESOLUTION ADOPTING GUIDELINES FOR THE 2021 REDISTRICTING PROCESS. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL I'LL INTRODUCE THIS ITEM AS WELL. WE BEEN TALK ABOUT THIS EARE DISTRICTING FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS AND I'VE BEEN COMING UP TO THIS THIS IS THE PRESENTATION OF IF INITIAL ASSESSMENT AND RESOLUTIONS BY ALAN, ALAN AND I ARE COLLEAGUES IN THE BROTHERHOOD OF UNPRONOUNCEABLE NAMES I HOPE I HAVE GOTTEN CLOSE ON HIS LAST FLAME. ALAN IS A GOOD FRIEND AND GREAT LAWYER. COME ON UP ALAN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THOMAS, YOU NAILED IT. BOJORQUEZ OF THE LAW FIRM YOU HIRED TO THROUGH THE PROCESS. FORGIVE MESH I HAD DINNER WITH MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER AND MR. MY COLLEAGUE CAME AND PROVIDED THE TRAINING. NOW THAT YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT REDISTRICTING THAN MOST ANYBODY IN TOWN, ARE YOU READY TO RECEIVE THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT? AND OUR AGENDA TODAY IS VERY SHORT. YOU'VE HAD A LONG MEETING, I WILL KEEP THIS BRIEF. WE WILL DOES YOUR 2020 DEMOGRAPHICS. I'LL PRESENT THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT WHICH IS MY REPORT AND WE HAVE AN ACTION ITEM FOR YOU. LOOKING AT YOUR CHARTER, WHICH IS THE PRIMARILY DELETE SRY LAW THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN GOING THROUGH THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS, YOU'RE REMINDED THAT YOU HAVE SIX CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, FOUR FROM SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND TWO FROM THE TWO SUPER DISTRICTS. YOU SEE YOUR CURRENT BOUNDARIES ILLUSTRATED ON THE MAP FOR THOSE VIEWING FROM HOME OR WATCHING THIS LATER. YOU HAVE 62,592 AS YOUR POPULATION ACCORDING TO THE U.S. CENSUS BUREAU AS OF APRIL 1ST AS OF 2020 YOUR POPULATION IS 65,534. SO THERE WAS AN INCREASE OF JUST SHY OF 3,000. IN TERMS OF THE SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN FOR ETHNIC OR RACIAL GROUPS, YOU CAN SEE THOSE LISTED ON YOUR SLIDES WITH A SLIGHT MAJORITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE REPORTED AS HISPANIC THE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM IS THAT THE NUMBERS YOU SEE ABOVE ARE FOR ONE CATEGORY AND ONE CATEGORY [02:20:06] ONLY RESPONDENTS TO THE CENSUS HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHECK MORE THAN ONE BOX. FOR EXAMPLE, TO SAY YOU'RE WHITE IS A STATEMENT ON YOUR RACE TO SAY YOU'RE HIS SPAN SIC A STATEMENT ON YOUR ETHNICITY. SO SOMEONE COULD BE WHITE AND HISPANIC. OR AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND HISPANIC. SO THE NUMBERS CAN GET VERY COMPLICATED. THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE PRESENTATION LOOKING AT YOUR TOTAL POPULATION FOR 2020, 65,534. DIVIDED BY 4 FOR YOUR FOUR SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, THE IDEAL DISTRICT SIZE IS 16,384 THAT SAN IMPORTANT NUMBER FOR THE MATH WE'RE ABOUT TO DO WHEN YOU SAT THROUGH YOUR TRAINING WITH MR. PULLHAM HE EXPLAINED ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE AND EXPLAINED THE TOTAL MAXIMUM DEVIATION IS 10% SO THAT IS THE GOAL WE'RE SHOOTING FOR DURING THIS PROCESS. I'LL PRESENT THESE NUMBERS IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAY BUT HERE IS THE BREAKDOWN OF JUST POPULATION, NOT LOOKING AT RACE OR ETHNICITY YET FOR EACH OF THE FOUR SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS. SO YOU CAN START TO SEE HOW THE MATH GOES. WE HAVE WHAT THE CENSUS ROARS PER DISTRICT, THE IDEAL TARGET DISTRICT SIZE, YOU SEE THE DEVIATION, PLUS OR MINUS A CERTAIN% FROM THE IDEAL AND WHAT THAT RAW DIFFERENCE IS. HERE IS ANOTHER WAY TO PRESENT THE SAME INFORMATION. THE IDEAL TARGET DISTRICT SIZE. AND I'VE BOLDED DISTRICT 1 AND DISTRICT 2. BECAUSE DISTRICT 1 IS THE MOST UNDERSIZED OR SMALLEST DISTRICT WHEN MEASURED TO THE IDEAL. AND DISTRICT 3 IS THE LARGEST OR MOST OVERSIZED DISTRICT WHEN COMPARED TO THE IDEAL. SO THE NEGATIVE.68% FOR DISTRICT 1 IS CRUCIAL THE PLUS 18.22% FOR DISTRICT 3 IS CRUCIAL. SO YOU TAKE THESE NUMBERS AND YOU ULTIMATELY ADD THEM TOGETHER. THE SMALLEST STEVEIATION, THE LARGEST DEAVIATION, THAT COMES UP TO 26.90%. THAT IS MORE THAN 10 BAG LAWYER AND POOR AT MATH, EVEN I GET THAT PART. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU? IT MEANS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE RESTRICTING -- REDISTRICTING PROCESS YOU SEE WHAT IS AHEAD. HAVING HAD YOUR TRAINING GOTTEN YOUR LOCAL DATA AND RECEIVED YOUR INITIAL ASSESSMENT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRITERIA AND GUIDELINES FOR GETTING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. TWO RESOLUTIONS ARE ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT AS ACTION ITEMS. THEY ARE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. THE FIRST IS BASICALLY SUMMARIZED WITH THE BULLETS ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE. OVER THE YEARS, THE U.S. FEDERAL COURTS HAVE FOUND THESE CRITERIA ARE ACCEPTABLE JUSTIFICATIONS FOR MOVING A SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICT LINE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER YOU HAVE HEARD PREVIOUSLY, THAT RACE AND ETHNICITY ASK S A FACTOR WHEN WE GO THROUGH REDISTRICTING, BLEW BY LAW IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE THE PREDOMINANT FACTOR. WE WILL GAUGE RACE AND ETHNICITY AS WE MOVE YOUR LINES AROUND. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT RACE OR ETHNICITY ABOVE THE MORE TRADITIONAL FACTORS THAT THE COURTS HAVE UPHELD SUCH AS COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST, IDENTIFIABLE GEOGRAPHIC DIVIDING LINES AND THOSE SORES OF THINGS YOU HAVE A RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU IF YOU APPROVE IT TO NIGHT WHICH IS WHAT I'M ASKING AND RECOMMENDING IT WILL SET FORTH THE RULES OF THE GAME FORGOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE'LL BE GIVING THIS TO OUR MAPPING GEOGRAPHICKING EXPERT ALONG WITH ANY OTHER EXPERT YOU FEED THROUGH YOUR FIRM THROUGH YOUR STAFF AND WE'LL COME UP WITH DRAFT MAPS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON AND PRESENT TO YOUR CITIZENS FOR THEIR INPUT. THE SECOND RESOLUTION IS GOING TO SET FORTH THE GUIDELINES FOR WHAT WE CALL CITIZEN MAPS. WE MAY NOT HAVE ANY IN VICTORIA BUT WE HAVE THIS RESOLUTION IN PLACE IN CASE ANY CITIZENS, SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE OBTAINED THE SOFTWARE NECESSARY [02:25:06] TO MANIPULATE THE MAPS AND DOWNLOAD THE CENSUS DATA. FY THEY WISH TO PRESENT A MAP FOR US TO REVIEW, ANALYZE AND PRESENT TO YOU THE CITY COUNCIL THEY WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES MOSTLY THEY NEED TO PRESENT MAPS THAT FOLLOW THE SAME CRITERIA THAT YOUR MAPS ARE FOLLOWING YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE SAME DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THEY'RE GOING TO REDISTRICT THE ENTIRE CITY VERSUS JUST THEIR FAVORITE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THEIR DISTRICT THAT THEY CARE THE MOST ABOUT. AND IF THEY DO THAT AND THEY DO IT BY THE DEADLINES WE'VE SUBMITTED, THEN WE WILL ANALYZE THAT AND GIVE YOU REPORT ON THAT CITIZEN MAP AND PERHAPS THE CITIZENS HAVE A GOOD IDEA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW. >> 18TH OR 19TH? >> WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF WE HAVE SET NOVEMBER 18TH AS THE DATE TO FILL INTO THE BLANK ON THAT RESOLUTION AND THAT WOULD BE THE DEADLINE FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANT TO TAKE A STAB AT MAP DRAWING TO SUBMIT THEIR MAP TO US AND ANALYZE IT AND SUBMIT IT TO YOU IN A TIMELY MANNER. THIS IS A DRAFTED, A PROPOSAL OF THE TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH LOOKING AT YOUR SCHEDULE HERE IN VICTORIA AND SPEAKING WITH YOUR STAFF. IF EVERYTHING MOVES ALONG IN A DILIGENT PACE AS WE HAVE PLANNED YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE FIRST MAP THAT YOU'RE INCLINED TO ADOPT ON DECEMBER 14TH. IF WE DO, THAT THEN WE COULD HAVE EVERYTHING ADOPTED BY JANUARY 18TH THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THE FIRST DATE THAT SOMEONE COULD FILE FORA PLACE ON THE BALLOT FOR THE MAY 22 ELECTION IS GOING BE ON JANUARY 18THAND 19TH. BY LAW OUR DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY 18TH, BUT I RECOMMEND WE DO IT MUCH SOONER. I THINK WE'RE ON TARGET TO DO THAT. >> SO THAT IS IT FOR MY PREPARED REMARKS. I REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE AN ACTION ITEM OF VOTING ON THE TWO RESOLUTIONS IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO DO SO AND THAT IS MY REQUEST, OTHERWISE I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE ONE REAL QUICK. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE FACTORS OR CRITERIA THAT ARE USED. >> CERTAINLY. THE SECOND ONE IS COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST SHOULD BE MAINTAINED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST MEANS. >> COMMUNITY OF INTEREST IS A VERY BROAD TERM, WE'RE ALLOWED TO DEFINE IT OURSELVES WHAT IT TRADITIONALLY MEANS IS OUR NEIGHBORS. IF WE CHOOSE TO DEFY COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST THEY COULD BE IN PART, HOUSING SUBDIVISIONS, THAT ARE OF SIMILAR QUALITY AND PROPERTY VALUES. IF IT IS PRIMARILY APARTMENTS THEN WE GROUP APARTMENTS WITH APARTMENTS. YOU COULD UNDERSTAND WHY SOME MAY NOT WANT TO BE GROUPED IN THE SAME COMMUNITY AND SAME DISTRICT OF FAIRLY ENTRY LEVEL WORKING CLASS APARTMENT HOUSING AND COUNTRY CLUB-TYPE HOUSING. THAT IS ONE WAY COMMUNITIES TEND TO DO THAT. ANOTHER WAY IS TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE SCHOOL ATTENDANCE ZONES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, IDENTIFIED NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SOME COMMUNITIES IDENTIFY WITH CERTAIN PUBLIC RESOURCES SUCH AS A CERTAIN PUBLIC PARK OR COMMUNITY CENTER. AND EVERY TOWN WE GO TO IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SO ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU, YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR STAFF ON COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST IS SOMETHING THAT HELPS US DEFINE THAT FOR THE CITY OF VICTORIA. >> THANK YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I HAVE A QUESTION AND IT IS I GUESS IT IS REALLY BROADER THAN THIS, BUT IT CONTINUES TO BOTHER ME SO WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE CITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO NOT BREAK UP VOTING PRECINCTS OR BUT WE CAN USE CENSUS TRACKS, I THINK I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT WE'RE DOING THIS FIRST. I THINK THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE OR MAYBE NOT THAT OTHER DISTRICTS THAT OTHER ENTITIES WILL HAVE TO DO THIS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING IT IN A VACUUM. AND I KNOW IT IS BECAUSE OF OUR TIMING, BUT CAN YOU AGREE WITH ME OR APPEASE THAT IN SOME WAY WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS IN SOMEWHAT OF A VACUUM AND HAPPY TO SHARE INFORMATION WHAT OTHER CELEBRITIES WANT TO KNOW -- WHAT OTHER ENTITIES WANT TO KNOW. [02:30:03] I THINK WE GET TO DO OURS FIRST, WHILE TRYING TO RESPECT WHERE THE COUNTY'S ELECTION PRECINCTS ARE TO MAKE IT EASIER IN TERMS OF EFFICIENT RESOURCES, POLLING PLACES, BUT ALSO TO TRY NOT TO DISTURB VOTERS PATTERNS OF WHERE THEY GO AND VOTE ANYMORE THAN WE HAVE TO. >> WE'RE LUCKY YOU CAN VOTE AT ANY PRECINCT HERE. THAT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER. >> THANK YOU & APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING. >> NOT MY FIRST MEETING TO LISTEN ABOUT DOGS AND CHICKENS. >> WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION I ASK CR YOU PLEASE LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES AND THERE IS A DATE WE NEED TO FILL IN. >> MY SISTER'S BIRTHDAY IS THE 19TH. I GOT CONFUSED. THE 18THIS THE DATE WE WANT TO FILL IN THE BLANK. >> MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT E5 AND INSERT NOVEMBER 18TH AS A DEADLINE TO SUBMIT OUR MAPS. >> 2021? >> YES, SIR, 2021. SORRY. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL QUESTION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >>> AYE. >>> THOSE OPPOSE SAME SIGN. MOTION CARRY, MR. GWOSDZ. >> AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO RECESS FOR ABOUT TEN MINUTES. PLEASE TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND FOLLOW WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT AND THERE IS NOT GOING BE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT, SO BACK NEXT,. [F. City Manager Reports:] >> ALL RIGHT, CALL SESSION BACK INTO ORDER. MEETING. >> I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DARRELL FAREL TO SPROA DUES OUR CITY MANAGER'S REPORT TONIGHT. >>> I'M GOING TO MAKE MY COMMENTS BRIEF I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GET STARTED THAT I THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE INPUT AND TIME AND ENERGY THAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THERE WHOLE BROADBAND INITIATIVE AND TO EVERYONE ON THE BROADBAND COMMISSION AND ALL OF THE GROUPS THAT HAVE HAD INPUT AND WORKED ON THIS I ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR CONSULTEDDANTS AT COBB FINLEY. THEY HAVE WORKED NONSTOP. AND IF YOU SAW THE 109-PAGE REPORT IN YOUR DOCUMENT, IMAGINE HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO READ THAT AND DOUBLE IT TO WRITE IT. WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THESE GUY, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO THEM AND I WILL BE ABLE TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS AFTER. >> THANK YOU, DEREK. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAYOR PRO-TEM. I WANT TO START BY ECCHOING DEREK'S INTROTHANK YOU FOR BEING SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW THE CITY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BROADBAND INITIATIVE. >> DELAY. SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE AGENDA, I'M GOING TO KEEP IT BRIEF, OBVIOUSLY. IT HAS BEEN A LONG NIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE INITIATIVE, OUR PROCESS, THE FINDINGS OF THE REPORT. THE SOLUTIONS WE CAME UP WITH AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS LOOK LIKE SO DAREC INTRODUCED OUR TEAM BUT PROJECT MANAGER ON OUR THIS JOB AND A PROJECT ENGINEER IS DOING A LOT OF LAY WORK GOING BACK THE INITIATIVE, WE JUST WANT TO TOUCH BASE ON WHERE THIS ALL-STARRED DIDN'T START WITH US, STARTED WITH VICTORIA BROADBAND COMMISSION, THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERRERS WERE PRO ACTIVE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER WHICH WE GIVE KUDOS TO, A CRITICAL TIME FOR BROADBAND CONNECTIVE AND HAD THE FORESIGHT TO PUT TOGETHER THIS GROUP AND START TALKING ABOUT IT. AND SO AFTER WE WERE BROUGHT ON BOARD TO PERFORM THIS T FEASIBILITY STUDY, ESSENTIALLY REVIEWED THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IS INVOLVING A COMBINATION OF OUR RESEARCH OF PUBLIC SOURCES AND ALSO TALKING TO STAKEHOLDERS, TALKING TO INFRASTRUCTURE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, WHO HAS FINER IN THE GROUND, WIRELESS ASSETS WHAT IS THE STATE OF BROADBAND IN VICTORIA AND THEN WE HAD A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EVENT AND SURVEY [02:35:02] WHICH WAS, AGAIN, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE RESPONSE. WE HAD NEAR 1,000 RESPONSES AND A PRETTY SHORT WINDOW, ON A TOPIC THAT IS YOU KNOW, KIND OF INTIMIDATING AND CONFUSING A LOT OF THE TIMES. SO WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT IS IN THE REPORT AND WE'LL GO OVER AND REALLY REFLECTED A LOT OF WHAT WE SAW ON THE PUBLIC DATA AND GAVE US A LOT OF ON THE GROUND INSIGHT WHICH IS CRITICAL WHEN PUBLIC DATA A LOT OF TIMES CAN BE MISLEADING. AND THEN FINALLY OUR STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT INVOLVED THE WE MET WITH MULTIPLE PROVIDERS AND WITH ISD AND EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION AND CONTINUE TO TALK TO AS MANY STAKEHOLDER ISES AS WE GOULD IN THE AND TOOK INFORMATION FROM PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OUR VIEW OF INFRASTRUCTURE ENGAGEMENT WITH STAKEHOLDER, NETWORK SOLUTION, WHAT TYPE OF NETWORK, WHAT CAPACITY DOES IT NEED WE WANT TO MEET THE NEEDS AND FINALLY WE TAKE THAT INTO A PRESENCIVE ANALYSIS AND START PLUGGING THOSE SOLUTIONS AND SITUATION KIND OF BUSINESS MODELED WOULD THIS LOOK LIKE? WHERE WOULD THE FUNDING COME FROM. BECAUSE THIS IS THE TIME WHERE FUNDING IS THE GREAT EAST AND THE SNEED THE GREATEST SO I WANT TO GO OVER THE FINDINGS. THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASK MOST OF THE SURFACES ARE POOR. THE CONNECTIVITY WAS THE TOP CHALLENGE WHILE LIVING OR WORKING IN VICTORIA SO PRETTY MUCH HIT ON THE TOP THREE THINGS AND BALK WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS A NEED, WHAT OPTION DOS WE HAVE TO COVER THAT NEED TO FILL THE, YOU KNOW THE SURVEY IS ON IF GROUNDS. WE NEED TO TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC DATSTA WE CAN GRAB PUBLIC ROAR DATA FROM CENSUS, YOU KNOW, FROM NON-PROFITS LIKE CONNECTED NATION THAT HELP MAP BROADBAND FRAWR WHAT THE NEEDS ARE WE'RE SAYING LET'S LOOK AT CENSUS DATA AND TRENDS THAT STACK THAT MAKE IT LOOK APPARENT THAT THIS AREA HAS NEEDS, NEEDS BECAUSE OF VARYIOUS WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THE PUBLIC DATA IT CAN BE SUPERFICIAL BECAUSE -- AND THAT IS WHY THE SURVEY IS SO IMPORTANT. ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT ADOPTION AND THESE STUDIES, WE GET TO LOOK AT THE ROOT CAUSE. IT IS NOT THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, SOMETIMES IN THE CASE OF VICTORIA WHAT WE SAW IN THESE AREAS THAT SEEM LIKE THERE IS LOW ADOPTION, PEOPLE WEREN'T SUBSCRIBING TO SERVICES. IT WASN'T BECAUSE THERE WASN'T AVAILABLE SERVICES, IT WASN'T BECAUSE THOSE SERVICES COST TOO MUCH AND SO WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE DEEPER, RIGHT AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AND WE TALK TO THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THROUGH OUR RESEARCH, MARK RESEARCH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ADOPTION ISSUE IS MORE OF THE DIGITAL ILITERACY NOT KNOWING HOW MUCH BROADBAND CAN IMPROVE THEIR LIVES OR NOT SEEING THE QUALITY OF THE EXISTING SERVICES RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW IF YOU WERE BURNED BEFORE -- I SIGNED UP, I HAD IT. AND MAYBE THAT SERVICE IS BETTER AND SO WHAT WE REALLY SAW WITH DELETE S WAS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ADOPTION LIKE THIS, A LOT OF THE TRADITIONAL ISPS OR INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT COME IN, THEY WANT TO GO TO AREAS THAT MAKE THE MOST BUSINESS SENSE TO ADDRESS THE [02:40:04] ADOPTION IN THESE AREAS A LOT OF TIMES IT IS THE MUNICIPALITY THE FACE THAT THEY TRUST, THE RESIDENTS THAT NEED TO BE THE DRIVING FORCE. A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE STUDY AND IN NEED GAP ANALYSIS IS THERE IS A ROOT DUES THIS AND SOMETHING THE MUNICIPALITIES AND LOGICAL PARTNERS HAVE THE BEST TUNDS TO ADDRESS. SO BASED OFF THAT WE'RE MOVING INTO OUR SOLUTIONS. WE HAVE FOUR REMMATIONS THE FIRST OF WHICH IS A PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. AND REALLY THIS RECOMMENDATION -- AND WE'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DETAIL IN FURTHER SLIDES, BUT THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE STUD DRY ARE ALREADY TWO INTERNET PROVIDERS THINKING TO COME INTO VICTORIA, WHICH IS GREAT. SPARK LIGHT ALREADY ANNOUNCED THAT AND A PART OF THAT IS BRINGING IN THE PROVIDERS TO SAY, WE WANT MORE OPTIONS. WE WANT BETTER OPTIONS. AND SO ONE, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION IS REALLY SUPPORTING THAT AND MORE PROVIDERS WE HAVE THE BETTER SERVICES, THE MORE COMPETITIVE, THE BETTER THE PRICES THE MORE THEY HAVE TO COMPETE FOR QUALITY SERVICES. NUMBER SOMEONE BISB FRIENDLY, HELP FACILITATE THEIR TRANSITION THE HERE AND THE SEC ONE IS EXACTERRED INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS WHERE WE MENTIONED NOT AS MUCH OF A BUSINESS CASE FOR THOSE ISPS TO GO TO UNDERSERVED AREAS BECAUSE THE ADOPTION RATE IS LOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING GET THE RETURN. THIS IS WHERE WE SEE THE CITY BEING KIND OF THE DRIVING FORCE IN THE SOLUTION. AND SO THERE IS A PART OF THE UNDERSERVED LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED WE SEE THERE IS A UNIQUE SOLUTION THERE THROUGH FIXED WIRELESS AND INVESTMENT IN BROADBAND FRAWR AND A TON OF FUNDING TWO OF THE MAIN SOURCES THAT WE THINK ARE MOST APPLICABLE ARE THE CAPITOL PROJECT FUNDS THROUGH TREASURY AND THERE IS MULTIPLE EDA FUNDS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. >> WHAT IS FIXED WIRELESS. >> SO FIXED WIRELESS IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE FINER INTO A HOME OR BUSINESS. IT IS ON A WIRELESS ANTENNA ON THE BUSINESS AND ESSENTIALLY, IT IS LIKE WIFI, PUBLIC WIFI BUT PUBLIC WIFI THAT IS MUCH BETTER. IT IS MUCH HIGHER PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. IT CAN MEET THE BROADBAND REQUIREMENTS OF LIKE 100 GIGABITS SYMMETRICAL, IT IS A CAPABLE ALTERNATIVE TO DIRECT FIBER. THE LAST OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR ADOPTION, AGAIN NO FUNDING REQUIRED THERE, THERE IS NO GAP, I SHOULD SAY. IT REALLY WE NEED TO PROMOTE THE FEDERAL-BACKED SUBDY PROGRAMS, A LOT OF RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW COULD BE RECEIVING $50 OFF THEIR BILL. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SIGN UP. GETTING THE WORD OUT AND BEING THAT FACE TO SAY, LET'S ADOPT BROADBAND. THERE IS A LOT OF PROGRAMS IN PLACE ALREADY AS PART OF WHAT WE CAN DO IN LEVERAGING THE RESPONSE THAT WE HAVE FROM STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE INTERESTED. THE ISD WANTS TO HELP A LOT OF THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS EXPRESSED INTEREST AND I'M SURE THAT IS WHERE THE RESOURCES WOULD COME FROM TO HELP SPREAD THAT WORD. AND FINALLY PROMOTION OF REGIONAL INITIATIVES THERE IS ALSO A REGIONAL BROADBAND PROJECT THAT IS GOING PROVIDE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REGION, OUT OF THE EVENTS OF HARVEY AND MITIGATION MONEY IS TARGETED TOWARDS TOWARDS THIS INITIATIVE. AND SO WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT VICTORIA AND VICTORIA COUNTY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IN THE WAY THAT THEY CAN, BECAUSE CONNECTING TO THIS NETWORK WILL MAKE THE CITY MORE RESILIENT AND PUT THEM ON THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT NETWORK WHEN THING DOS HAPPEN SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IS A REAL THREAT. SO AGAIN, WE TALKED TO PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DISTRICT 1, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ON THE MAP. WE LOOKED AT A MIDDLE MILE WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE FIBER THAT WOULD GO IN THE GROUND THAT WENT TO ALL THE KEY DEMAND POINTS, WHICH BY DELETE S COMMAND POINT, [02:45:07] ESSENTIALLY EVERYWHERE WE WALK THE STAKEHOLDER AS IN SAID I NEED A GOOD INTERNET SERVICE. THIS IS WHAT THAT MIDDLE MILE DOES. IT GETS THAT MAIN FIBER DISTRIBUTION ALL THE WAY UP TO THEIR DOORSTEP AND CONNECT IT. WE SAID WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT AND THAT COST $19 MILLION. THE COUNSELOR 19 MILLION, THE GOOD THING IS THE TWO INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ARE COMING IN AND GOING PROVIDE THE MAJORITY OF THIS, THEY'RE ALREADY SATURATED IT. THE FIRST RECOMMEND CANDIDATE SAYS HAVE THEM COME IN AND FACILITATE THE TRANSITION BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF WHAT WE IDENTIFIED. THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THERE. AND SO SOME OF THE WAYS WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THAT IS TAX ABATEMENT, THE ISP FRIENDLY. >> IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO LET OTHER PEOPLE FIBER CAPACITY FROM THEM THAT IS THE OPEN ACCESS MODEL. AND THEY'RE WILLING TO. IT IS KIND OF A LITTLE LIKE PULLING DEATH THERE HAS TO BE A BUSINESS SENSE, RIGHT? WE'VE WHAT WE'VE SEEN ASK A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THAT OPEN ACCESS NETWORK WHICH IS WHERE YOU HAVE AN OPERATOR THAT HAS TO PLAY NICE WITH EVERYONE SO THERE IS COMPETITION, A LOT OF TIMES THAT KIND OF TURNS AWAY SOME OF THE POTENTIAL OPERATORS BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BUSINESS AND SO SOMETIMES ORGANIC COMPETITION, WHICH WE'RE SEEING HERE ARE BOTH WANTING TO COME IN AND HERE AND INVEST IN THE CITY AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS A GREAT ALTERNATIVE. BUT I WILL SAY THAT ESPECIALLY AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT OPEN ACCESS WHERE YOU CAN KINDS OF ENFORCE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I WANT COMPETITION AND I WANT TO FACILITY TATE IT AND WE'LL BUILD THIS OVERSIZED NETWORK TO SAY, EVERYONE CAN GET ON THIS AND OIL REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION AND WHO THE PROVIDERS ARE THAT ARE INTERESTED AND HOW WILLING THEY ARE TO PLAY WITH I. WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS A LOT OF THE PROVIDERS AND THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS WE HAVE A BUSINESS CASE HERE WE'RE THROG TRY TO PLAY BALL AS MUCH AS WE CAN BUT AT THE ENDS OF THE DAY WE HAVE TO MAKE MONEY. >> ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS WHO ULTIMATELY OWNS THE MIL MIDDLE AISLE. AND IF WE HAVE A PARTNER THAT IS PRIMARILY INVESTED THEY WOULD OWN IT AND MANAGE IT SO WHAT ROLE DO WE PLAY IN RIGHTER, MANDATING THAT THEY FOLLOW THIS OPEN ACCESS MODEL? PROBABLY VERY MINIMAL. SOME COMMUNITIES THAT AREN'T AS FORTUNATE AS WE ARE AND DON'T AS V AS MUCH INTEREST AS OUR COMMUNITY HAS IS BEING FORCED TO INVEST MORE INTO A MIDDLE MILE AND MORE INVOLVED WITH THE OWNERSHIP AND O THE MIDDLE MILE AND THOSE INSTANCES THE CITIES ARE FOLLOWING THAT MODEL OF -- BECAUSE THEY'RE LACK FOR BETTER TERM, DESPERATE TO GET PROVIDERS IN RIGHT, IF YOU LIKEN IT TO STREETS SOMETIMES, IF YOU HAD BUILT A CITY WHERE THE CITY WENT IN AND BUILT THOROUGHFARES AND SAY IF YOU WANT A HOUSE YOU HAVE TO BUILD YOUR OWN RESIDENTIAL STREET AND IT GETS BUILT THAT WAY AND THE CITY OWNS THE MIDDLE MILE PORTION. THAT MAKE SENSE. >> I'M TRYING TO LIKE THE ANALOGY. >> THE REASON I ASK THE QUESTION IS BECAUSE JUST THAT I DON'T -- UTILITIES IS A BETTER EXAMPLE. >> BUT I REALLY AM SO THANKFUL THAT SPARK LIGHT IS COMING AND EXCITED ABOUT IT AND REALLY PUMPED ABOUT IT ELIS REALLY NOT THE MIDDLE MILE I WAS THINKING OF THAT RUNS THROUGH THE CITY THAT OTHER COMPETITORS WOULD BE DRAWN INTO COME OFF AND SO O DO THE FINAL MILE, THE LAST MILE. >> ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, TOO THAT WHILE COMPETITION IS GOOD. WHAT IS THE NUMBER, RIGHT? IF ORGANICALLY WE'RE ALREADY PROCEEDING IN HAVING THREE OR FOUR YOU KNOW, COMPETITOR, IS THAT NOT SUFFICIENT, RIGHT? AND IF DELETE S IT IS WORTH, YOU KNOW, US GETTING INVOLVED TO TRY TO GET UP TO 5 OR 6? ATNA POINT IS IT GOING MAKE A DIFFERENCE? MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. >> TBROOBABLY NOT. >> I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING, MAYOR. SO BASICALLY. >> CAN YOU ADJUST THE MIKE. >> I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING, SO BASICALLY WHEN WE GOT STARTED AND WE ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED TO GET THIS PROJECT, WE COULD ACTUALLY PROPOSING A MIDDLE MILE ACCESS NETWORK, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME WITHOUT THE RESEARCH, THAT [02:50:03] MADE MORE SENSE THAT SINCE ALL THESE GRAND OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE YOU ALL CAN BUILD YOUR OWN MIDDLE MILE AND INVITE MANY TO COME IN, BUT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE WENT THROUGH AND MEETING WITH EVERY STAKEHOLDER IS WHAT WE SEE IN VICTORIA IS NEW VFS PROVIDERS WANT TO COME INTO VICTORIA AND PROVIDE THEIR SERVICE. OF COURSE, IT NEEDS TO MAKE A BUSINESS PLAN SO THE WAY IT IS SET UP RIGHT NOW IS WHERE IT MAKES A BUSINESS PLAN, ALLOW THEM TO DO THEIR OWN BUILD A MIDDLE MILE AND THE CITY MORE FOCUS ON UTILIZING THE GRABBED OPPORTUNITIES WHICH ARE OUT THERE TO SERVE THE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES WHERE IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE FOR THEM. AND IF THEY'RE INCRESTING THEIR OWN MONEY, THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO THE OPEN ACCESS IDEA UNLESS IT IS THE CITY PUTTING IN ALL THE MONEY TO BUILD IT. SO IN THIS CASE, WITH TWO OF THEM COMING IN RIGHT NOW AND PLANNING FOR THIS IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THEM HAVE THEIR OWN. ANOTHER BIG THING IS THAT THE TAKE RATE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THESE SERVICE PROVIDERS. FIT IS AN OPEN ACCESS NETWORK WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE 5 OF THEM HAVE TO DIVIDE UP THE TAKE RATE WHICH IS BASICALLY HOW MANY DEMAND POINTS THEY CAN GO TO, IT ALMOST HAS A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT WHERE THEY'RE RUNNING AWAY FROM IT. IT SEEMED LIKE FOR US, HERE, IT MAKES MORE SENSE ALLOWING THEM TO COME IN AND FLOURISH. >> THANK YOU. >> SO ALONG THOSE LINES, BECAUSE WE WANT THAT ORGANIC SATURATE -- SATTUATION, WHAT DAN CITY DO AS PART OF ADDRESSING THE UNDERSERVED. WHAT WE'VE SEEN AND IT HAS BEEN PROVEN IS FIX WIRE SLS MUCH QUICKER AND MORE ECONOMICAL WAY TO DEPLOY THESE NETWORKS, AND SO IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS, WE SAW THAT AS A GOOD SOLUTION, BECAUSE IT COULD BE DONE QUICKLY AND DONE AT A LOWER COST AS WELL. AND SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT THAT MIGHT COST, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. IT IS AROUND 2.6 MILLION AND THE GOOD THING IS THAT, OF COURSE, AS MENTIONED THERE IS A TON OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT THE CITY NOW CAN USE OUR STUDY AND WHAT WE PICKED UP TO GO AFTER THOSE APPLICATIONS AND ESSENTIALLY THE MONEY IS FOR BROADBAND FOR SPECIFICALLY THESE SITUATIONS AND THESE SCENARIOS, AND THAT IS ONE OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO FIND PARTNERS TO WORK WITH TO BUILD THIS TARGETED INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN GOING INTO THE LAST RECOMMENDATION, THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR ADOPTION THERE IS AGAIN, EXISTING STAFF, PUBLIC LIBRARY RUSSIAN SCHOOLS -- LIBRARIES, SCHOOL, NONPROFITS AND GET THE WORD OUT TO ENROLL IN SUBSIDY -- SUBSIDY PROGRAMS S AND DEVELOP A PLAN FOR UTILIZING THE CURRENT RESOURCES WE HAVE AT THE CITY AND OTHER PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE TO BE THE FACE OF WHO IS THE CITY TO BE THE FACE OF THEIR PARTNERS WITH HOW THEY'RE ADDRESSING THE UNDERSERVED LOCATIONS WHICH WILL INTURN EMPOWER THEIR RESIDENTS THERE AND SEE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFECTS, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT EFFECTS AND THE LAST POINT WAS THE REGIONAL INITIATIVES. THE MAP ON THE SLIDE SHOWS WHAT THAT FOOTPRINT LOOKS LIKE. IT IS OVER 260 -- 260 MILES THROUGHOUT THE COASTAL BEND AND INTO THE GOLDEN RECRESCENT REGION AND THE ANCHORS OF THIS NETWORK WOULD BE VICTORIA ON THE NORTH SIDE. WHICH ALSO IS ANOTHER REALLY ATTRACTIVE THING FOR OTHER ISPS COMING IN, BECAUSE NOW YOU BECAME A HUB WHERE THIS REGIONAL NETWORK COMES THROUGH AND ANOTHER BENEFIT OF THIS IS BY BEING MORE REGIONAL THERE IS PLACES IN THE COUNTY THAT IS THEY'RE IMPACTED TO, CONNECTION TO THE AIRPORT, COUNTY ASSETS, SO THIS ALSO TIES THAT INTO THE NEED WHICH WE DID MEET WITH THE PORT AND AIRPORT AND WE BOTH EXPRESSED THE NEED FOR HIGH SPEED INTERNET. AND DAREC HAS ALREADY BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE COASTALMAN BEN COX HE'S WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE INITIATIVE IS AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THAT, BECAUSE ULTIMATE MALTLY WHAT THAT DOES IS PUT A LOOP AROUND VICTORIA, WHICH IS ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SO THIS SLIDE, TALKED ABOUT [02:55:07] THIS, BUT THIS IS REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT THE GAPS AND THE NEEDS AND GAPS AND BROADBAND WILL EXIST, THERE IS NO RETURN ON INVESTMENT FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY TO BE THE ONES TO GO AFTER THE AVAILABLE FUNDING RIGHT NOW AND BE THE FACE TO INVEST IN THOSE AREAS AND BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE, IT IS KIND OF SIM-- SIMILAR. WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SIMILE THERE. BIT IS LIKE REAL ESTATE, IT IS AN INVESTMENT THAT SPURS FURTHER INVESTMENT. WE SEE BROADBAND ADDRESS AN ENABLER. YOU STICK WITH IT TRANSPORTATION AND SMART TRANSPORTATION AND STICK BROADBAND WITHIN A COMMERCIAL AREA OR INDUSTRIAL AREA AND NOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO COME THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE AUTOMATION IN THEIR FACTORIES THAT REQUIRE HIGH SPEED BROADBAND. SO REALLY THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT INVESTMENT BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE SPURS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PLENTY OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT. THAT IS WHERE THE BENEFIT OF BEING INVOLVED IN THIS AND BEING THE ONES TO SERVE THE UNDERSERVED IS GOING TO TURN THOSE AREAS AROUND AND REVITALIZE THE ECONOMY. >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I THINK I'M FOLLOWING THE OPEN CONCEPT VERSUS WHATEVER THAT OTHER CONCEMENT IS WITH THE BUSINESS MODEL WHERE PEOPLE WANT THEIR OWN. SO IF THE CITY IS THE ONE THAT PUTS IN THAT MIDDLE MILE HOW DOES IT GET CONNECTED TO A PROVIDER? SO THE MIDDLE MILE, THE WHAT I PUT UP HERE. >> OR WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CITY PUTTING IN THE STRUCTURE FOR THE FIXED WIRELESS. >> FOR THE UNDERSERVED. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO PARTNER -- SO WE WOULD BE PICKING SOMEBODY. THEN THAT SOMEBODY IS ALREADY THERE, THOUGH, RIGHT. COMPANIES LOOKING TO INVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN TOWN, WE WOULD SIMPLY HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PARTNER WITH THEM TO TELL THEM, HEY, WE KNOW YOU'RE FOCUSED ON THIS PART OF TOWN. >> YES, SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS CASE IS, WHERE THERE IS NOT A BUSINESS CASE FOR THEM TO GO SERVE, THE CITY WOULD APPLY FOR THE GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THE BIG ONE IS THE CAPITOL PROJECT GRANT WHICH THE STATE IS APPLYING FOR IT RIGHT NOW AND THEY'RE GOING RECEIVE THE $500 MILLION. AND IF A PROJECT LIKE THIS, LIKE OUR PROJECT IS READY SO THIS WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THEM, SO YOU WILL BE FIRST IN THE LINE. SO BASICALLY IN THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE IS NO BUSINESS SENSE, THE CITY WILL APPLY FOR THE GRANT, BUT ONCE YOU RECEIVE THE GRANT, THERE WILL BE A PROCESS, BECAUSE WE ALREADY TALKED TO ALL WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS, DEREK HAS MADE HUGE PROGRESS WITH THIS THEY WILL OPERATE AND IT OWN IT. APPLY FOR EMERGENCY BROADBAND WHERE LOW INCOME HOUSE SERVE, THEY CAN GET 50 ADDITIONAL DOLLARS. SO ULTIMATELY YOU DON'T OWN THAT THE OPERATOR WHO OPERATES S IT IS GOING TO ON IT. YOU'RE HELPING TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE OPERATOR IN THE AREA WHICH DOESN'T MAKE BUSINESS SENSE FOR THEM. >> THE CITY IS THE ONE THAT GOT THE GRANT. >> YES. >> GO AHEAD. >> THE. >> GO AHEAD. A MINUTE AGO THEY SAID BROADBAND IS LIKE REAL ESTATE IN A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE WE GET LAND, DEVELOP IT, CLEAN IT UP AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO MAKE USE OF THAT LAND WHETHER A SHOPPING CENTER A HOSPITAL, A FACTOR, WHOEVER THAT IS THEN WE WORK WITH THEM TO MOVE THAT POSSESSION. >> AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIXED WIRELESS, RIGHT? >> THE MIDDLE MILE. >>> THE FIXED WIRELESS SOLUTION DOES WORK WITH THE MIDDLE MILE. SO FOR THAT AREA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MIDDLE MILE AS WELL AS THE FIXED WIRELESS SOLUTION. >> WHAT ARE THE SPEEDS OF FIXED WIRELESS. >> FIXED WIRELESS IS GETTING A LOT BETTER. DEPENDING ON THE MESH SOLUTION, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HOW MUCH FIBER DO YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE GROUND TO BECAUSE YOU CAN DO WIRELESS BUT A LOT OF TIMES [03:00:03] CITIES HAVE DONE MESH IN THE PAST AND HASN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL. FIXED WIRE SLS A DIFFERENT TERMOLOGY. WE DON'T LIKE TO USE MESH BECAUSE IT REFERS TO THE YOU KNOW, ONE THAT DIDN'T WORK SO WELL. FIXED WIRELESS IS WHAT THEY USED IN A LOT OF SMALL ZELL CELL APPLICATIONS IT IS VERY, VERY CAPABLE OF PROVIDING GIGGA BIT SPEEDS AND SYMMETRICAL IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS A LITTLE HARDER, BUT IT CAN MORE THAN MEET THE CURRENT BROADBAND DEFINITION OF 25/3. IT CAN BE CLOSER TO THE 100 -- 120 SPEEDS THAT ARE REQUIRE. WE RECOMMEND A 100 SYMMETRICAL IN THE STUDY THAT WOULD MEET THAT STANDARD AS WELL. >> SO. >> VERY CAPABLE. >> AND SO THIS FIXED WIRELESS NETWORK, OF COURSE, IT IS FOCUSED ON THE UNDERSERVED, RIGHT. I'M A BIG FAN OF NOT -- OF PUTTING A BAND-AID ON IT. WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE MINIMUM OF 25/3 BECAUSE IS WHAT THE ENVIRONMENT NOW. IF THOSE IN THE UNDERSERVED ARE NOT ADOPTING RIGHT NOW WITH CURRENT SERVICES, THEN WHY WOULD WE OFFER A SIMILAR SERVICE. >> IMMEDIATE FUND WE WANT TO APPLY RIGHT NOW IS THE CAPITOL PROJECT FUND. THAT DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT OF 120. THAT WILL HAVE TO MEET THAT CRITERIA. >> I THINK I COVERED THAT. WHAT IS NEXT? WE WOULD KEEP WORKING, DEREK IS ALREADY WORKING HEAVILY AND WE TALKED TO GOLDEN CRESCENT REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION, A LOT OF PARTIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE REGIONAL PROJECTED WOULD WANT TO TEAM AND SUPPORT THAT AND FOR THAT EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT NETWORK AND HAVE THE NETWORK GO THROUGH VICTORIA AND USE OUR STUDY, THAT IS A HUGE PURPOSE OF IT OF BACKUP FOR THESE GRANTS, FOR THESE APPLICATIONS. WE'VE DONE THAT LEG WORK, SO ALL IT IS IS ESSENTIALLY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE APPLICATIONS GO IN AND THAT IS MONEY ON THE TABLE SPECIFICALLY FOR BROAD FIND MEET THE NEEDS, WE WOULD PUSH THAT TO MAKE THE NEXT MOVE AND PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE UNDERSERVED AND LOOK AT LOCAL PARTNERS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THAT ARE WILLING TO BE THE OPERATORS AND ESSENTIALLY BE THE ONES THAT BUILD THAT PHYSICALLED WIRELESS AND ARE GOING TO DO THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE BASED OFF OF THOSE FUNDS COMING IN FROM THE CAPITOL PROJECT FUND OR EDA OR WHEREVER THEY ENDS UP COMING FROM DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE RESULTS ARE. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND. >> LY BRIEFLY ADD TO THAT PIECE THAT FUNDS FROM THE RESCUE PLAN ACT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR BROADBAND. TO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WELL AS THIS CONVERSATION CONTINUES. >> WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING, WHEN HE SAYS THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND, HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT GILBERT'S PROJECT CAPITAL FUND. THERE IS A FEDERAL COVID BILL THAT IS GOING TO FUND STATE BROADBAND PROGRAMS AND THE STATE WILL DISPERSE THOSE FUNDS THEY CALL IT THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND. JUST BEING CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING GILBERT'S MONEY. >> NOT HERE TO DEFEND HIMSELF OR RESPOND. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU AL 4 DOING THE STUDY FOR US. IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO US AND HOPEFULLY LAND SOME OF THESE GRANTS ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO, SIR. >> MR. GWOSDZ? YOU'RE GOOD? GREAT. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.